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Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Tue May 31, 2011 6:01 am

Well it's time to re-new my anti-virus programme again. I've used Norton and McAfee in the past and am currently using AVG's free trial which runs out in 10 days time. So which anti-virus should I go with ?

Thanks in advance for your advice.
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Tue May 31, 2011 6:33 am

My free version of MS security essentials does better than the pay version of McAfee or others. If I do get infected Malwarebytes free version cleans it right out.
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Tue May 31, 2011 8:20 am

Avast also offers a free virus protection program. As far as I can tell it works well.

However the best virus protection you can get is a Mac. Bit expensive but it doesn't require a virus protection program.
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Tue May 31, 2011 9:09 am

I use Avira, it is great.
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Tue May 31, 2011 9:29 am

Quoting bj87 (Reply 2):


However the best virus protection you can get is a Mac. Bit expensive but it doesn't require a virus protection program.

Actually, the best one is probably a distro of Linux. I'm dualbooting 7 Home Premium and Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwal) and I don't even have the firewall setup, never mind anti virus. I don't need to have it on - there's very little risk.

As for my personal opinion - the free version of AVG is pretty decent. I use that on my Windows 7 installation (and have since the days of when XP first came out 8 or 9 years ago) and I've never had a problem.
 
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Tue May 31, 2011 9:56 am

Avast!, mateys! Arr!
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Tue May 31, 2011 2:20 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 4):
I don't even have the firewall setup

I wouldn't be posting that on the internet if I were you. Since you did, please make sure you have installed all the latest security patches. Linux is not vulnerability-free, nor are Macs or PCs. Plenty of exploits around for some programs that might be listening on a few ports that the firewall is not blocking.

A few notes on anti-virus products. The free ones from AVG and Avast do a good job catching all the older, known viruses out there. However, they probably will not find new viruses that affect zero-day vulnerabilities (security holes in your computer that Microsoft has not released a patch for yet). While you, as a casual internet user (I'm making assumptions here), will most likely find older viruses prowling the web, there are a fair share of zero-day viruses that get released at a specific time in the Microsoft patch release cycle and spread like wildfire. AVG and Avast may or may not catch those.

One benefit to Norton is that Symantec, the largest security company in the world, is the driving force behind the product. Trust me, Symantec has plenty of staff working around the clock looking at new virus signatures and adding them to the virus database constantly. When you pay for a product, you are paying in part for the constant monitoring that Symantec provides for a much, much better response time.

Additionally, most of the paid products offer much better heuristic scans. Again, for instance, with Norton, the AV software actually runs the executable it is scanning in a virtual environment that cannot harm the computer, and looks at different results it generates. While that file might not match a specific file signature, Norton will see that it matches other reported malware's output, and flag it.

Norton has improved lately as well, so it is not the resource hog it used to be. Excellent detection rates with pretty low false positive rates.

As an aside, please do not use Microsoft's free product. Yes, they know their products best - but their track record in regards to security is pretty bad. If you choose a free version, look at AVG free or Avast. If you're willing to pay for a paid version, I'd suggest Norton.
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:33 pm

I used to use Bitdefender, but it just got a resource- and memory-hog after a soem years. New installation did not help.
I now am using Avira, albeit I upgraded to a paid-for version after a while.
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Both free products are recommended for endusers by Germany's BSI (agency for security in the Internet(-usage)).
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Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:55 pm

I've used pretty much EVERY antivirus out there and I've learned a lot of things. Mainly, the big brand name ones are the worst, by a longshot. I've had much better luck with the free ones. Out of all the free ones, avast is the only one that has never failed me. And this is considering I frequently go to shady malware/virus infected websites often. Every antivirus I've had before had failed me. Avast has me on almost a 5 year virus free record. Which is amazing considering what I've exposed my PC to. And it doesn't bog even the crappiest sub 1ghz computer I've installed it on down at all.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 6):

I wouldn't be posting that on the internet if I were you.

No need to be so paranoid. He's fine. Nobody can do him harm with that info alone. I've never had a firewall either.

[Edited 2011-06-01 13:13:38]
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:00 pm

Avast me hearties! Yer blacklist of dangerous seadogs be safely aboard!

Avast! - Worth it both because it's free and effective, and also because it provides pirate talk. Great.
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 8):
No need to be so paranoid. He's fine


----edit------ decided to remove what I said since I pretty much gave directions on how to exploit him without a firewall. Basic idea: all you need now is an IP address and cross your fingers for some outdated software or some zero-day vulnerabilities. Easy as pie to get an IP address on a forum like this that has private messaging functions.



Please note the above text is purely theoretically speaking.

[Edited 2011-06-01 14:06:38]
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:54 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 9):
Avast! - Worth it both because it's free and effective, and also because it provides pirate talk. Great.

I couldn't agree more! I think Norton Antivirus is just as bad as a virus itself. I once had a bad virus infection that AVG couldn't solve but Avast could. Ive been happily using it for years.
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:29 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 10):
Please note the above text is purely theoretically speaking.

Of course. While yes it is possible and I may (or may not) know how to do it myself (cough cough    ) frankly I think a bored hacker has more interesting targets to pick from than some random airplane nerd   
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:52 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 12):
Of course. While yes it is possible and I may (or may not) know how to do it myself (cough cough    ) frankly I think a bored hacker has more interesting targets to pick from than some random airplane nerd   

Eh, I think you'd be surprised. Most script kiddies can't get in to anything most of the time - so presenting yourself as an easy target isn't so smart.

Maybe my career is making me biased, though, when I do vulnerability management for a living  
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:54 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 13):
Most script kiddies can't get in to anything most of the time - so presenting yourself as an easy target isn't so smart.

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Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:56 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 14):
They only do it for teh lulz
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:33 am

Go MAC????

Just a suggestion.....
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 16):
Go MAC????

Just a suggestion.....

Oh FFS... I hope you realize EVERY computer out there can be infected by a virus.   
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:39 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 17):
Oh FFS... I hope you realize EVERY computer out there can be infected by a virus.

Sure. If there are any functioning ones.

But the worst on the Mac side of things at this point are a few easily avoidable trojans which you simply decline to install, and that's that.

Viruses are (one kind of) infections which propagate themselves without voluntary support by the user and I'm not aware of any of those for the Mac "in the wild" (desperate "security" software producers keep cooking up proofs-of-concept in their labs, but none of them have seemed to catch on so far).

So yes, switching to a Mac at this point does indeed dramatically lower your exposure to malware (unless you're running it under Windows, of course).

It's still good practice to stay alert since it may not remain that way forever, but eleven years and counting for Mac OS X isn't too bad, considering that the absolute malware apocalypse has been predicted for the Mac for almost as long and it just hasn't occurred regardless.
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:26 pm

I've been using Kasperskys going on two years now. So far, no problems. It picked up a couple of Trojan worms and got rid of them with no effect on my PC.

Just wondered what all of you thought of it.

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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:08 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 17):
Oh FFS... I hope you realize EVERY computer out there can be infected by a virus.

I knew I would wind you up with that one, Fly2HMO--> you are getting predictable, mate!!
I actually thought of you when I typed it.....

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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:23 pm

I have to go with Avast as well. The free version has worked for me for some years now. It's pretty lightweight and doesn't tax my old desktop resources as much as some commercial antiviruses. Symantec Norton was the worst offender of all as it hogged my PC and refused to be uninstalled when it finally expired. Avast has a commercial version as well, but I'm not sure what else you get from paying for the license.
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 20):
I actually thought of you when I typed it.....
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:00 pm

Well, I guess Klaus think's I'm a fly-by-night security guy cooking up viruses in my lab.

Funny. I seem to recall a few viruses that have been cooked up (that part is true) as a part of research, but then instead of being released into the wild, were reported to Apple who then patched the vulnerabilities. All it would have taken is a shady person NOT reporting it to Apple, but instead releasing it into the wild.

Betting your entire identity on "nobody has made one yet...." is a crazy idea, IMHO. But, whatever floats your boat!  

And if the only 'real' viruses are the ones that propagate without user input, well, there aren't a heck of a lot of those around for Windows. Plenty for sure, but most are installed by a chair to keyboard interface error.
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:30 pm

Avast gets my vote.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
but none of them have seemed to catch on so far

Simply because the vast majority of the world uses a PC...
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:48 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 23):
Funny. I seem to recall a few viruses that have been cooked up (that part is true) as a part of research, but then instead of being released into the wild, were reported to Apple who then patched the vulnerabilities. All it would have taken is a shady person NOT reporting it to Apple, but instead releasing it into the wild.

These instances were well beyond responsible disclosure. They were blatant marketing attempts, loudly waving the banner: "Mac users, be scared for your life – unless you're buying our 'protection' software which will protect you from what isn't actually there yet, unless someone takes our ready-made template (here!) and puts it out into the wild!"

If someone is trying to win my trust, this is most definitely not how that is achieved!

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 23):
Betting your entire identity on "nobody has made one yet...." is a crazy idea, IMHO. But, whatever floats your boat!

You can't have read my actual post, since I have definitely done no such thing whatsoever, quite to the contrary. So how did you come to that weird conclusion?

I have actually said:

1) By switching to a Mac, you're massively reducing your exposure to malware (and even what little there is for the Mac is harmless with even just regular care). This is simply correct.

2) Nevertheless, even on the Mac caution is recommended. This is obvioiusly correct as well and simply contradicts your claim.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 23):
And if the only 'real' viruses are the ones that propagate without user input, well, there aren't a heck of a lot of those around for Windows. Plenty for sure, but most are installed by a chair to keyboard interface error.

Pretty much everything except trojans (which are so far the only malware under Mac OS X) propagates without the user's consent. And there are thousands of such exploits active in the wild for Windows. That this thread even exists is already testament to the seriousness of the situation there.
 
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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:16 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
2) Nevertheless, even on the Mac caution is recommended. This is obvioiusly correct as well and simply contradicts your claim.

Just curious, are you then saying that it is wise for an Apple user to have an AV software as a precaution?

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RE: Anti-virus Advice, Please.

Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 26):
Just curious, are you then saying that it is wise for an Apple user to have an AV software as a precaution?

Up to now: No. That would actually lower security at this point.

Keep your eyes open about potentially emerging threats, leave the Safari option "Open safe downloads automatically" disabled and be normally careful, particularly when something unexpected happens. Other than that, there is no need for additional software. (Apple has added automatic detection of the few existing trojans to the system, but with regular caution you won't contract any of them.)

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