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Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 6:07 pm

I look at the airport shuttle buses and compared to city buses I can't help but wonder why the city buses can't look like this. By looking like this I'm referring to how they're low to the ground, wheels covered and have a flat floor all the way through. Being lower to the ground, they're easy to get in and out of. The wheels are covered but they obviously have no problem turning left or right. I understand city buses would get rid of all the doors on the driver side and keep just the front and one pair of rear door.



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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 6:12 pm

I doubt those busses can handle the bumps, potholes, grade changes of a normal city street. Not enough ground clearance.
 
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting SP90 (Thread starter):
Being lower to the ground, they're easy to get in and out of.

Most city streets have more potholes and rough patches than an airport, so being lower to the ground can create some big problems. This could be especially problematic in cities with big differences in temperatures creating more potholes - think Boston, Chicago, NYC, Philly, etc.
 
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
I doubt those busses can handle the bumps, potholes, grade changes of a normal city street. Not enough ground clearance.

Ha, beat me to it. I started my post and then got pulled in to a mini-meeting before I could finish it and you beat me...darn it!
 
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 6:56 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 1):
Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):

I agree that city street would have more pot holes and such but I don't think the ground clearance on those buses are that much lower that typical city buses. The newer generation of MTA buses I see in NYC have pretty low ground clearance too. When they pull up to the curb the floor at the door is pretty much level with the sidewalk (which is about 6 inches tall). I can also understand the changing grades of the road but not every city is as hilly as San Francisco. I guess what really captivated my about the airport shuttle are the wheel covers and the overall sleek(er) look that gives the bus.

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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 7:00 pm

If the Obamamobile gets stuck in Dublin, I don't think those buses would work too well in Dublin either.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 8:21 pm

Many newer city transit busses in US 'kneel' when they stop. The air suspension lowers the front of the vehicle to get the door sil closer to the ground. Then the body raises again when the vehicle starts moving.

Most large city bus maintenance departments would hate wheel covers, and they would end up damaged or 'lost'.

The wheel covers could be important to protect the tires against UV damage.

Folks with large motorhomes in the US frequently put canvas/vinyl covers over their wheels when parked. Since most large RVs don't travel but a few thousand miles per year, the tires can be ruined by UV damage before the tread wears out.

I would expect airport tarmac shuttle busses to have relatively low mileage. They get used a lot, but the trips are short compared to a city or highway bus.

Those busses also don't appear to have the lighting and bumpers required for highway use in the US.

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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 10:15 pm

Here at LAX we have a fleet of German Cobus models for ramp passenger transfers.

Besides what people have noted above, the buses simply are not street legal in the US. Also one note -- these buses are wide, wider than a typical street lane.

The only thing I could see being used on streets is something like the smaller NABI busses we have here which essentially are articulated street buses anyhow but a bit lower and modified interiors for airport ops.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Tue May 31, 2011 11:30 pm

I'd like to ride on a train that looked like that, but a bus? No, thanks! It would be very bumpy and feel really low. If I was on a bus, I'd like to be up high. Besides, if anything we should adopt a similar concept for a train like the high speed rail in Tokyo.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:43 am

Quoting SP90 (Reply 4):
The newer generation of MTA buses I see in NYC have pretty low ground clearance too.

Those buses "kneel" when they arrive at the curb.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:57 am

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 5):
I don't think those buses would work too well in Dublin either.

Because the average Dublin city bus would be exiting an embassy car park?
 
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:17 am

When you said "Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This? " , I thought you meant the A343 
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Those buses "kneel" when they arrive at the curb.

Yep. Though some drivers only do it when there's some elderly passengers boarding.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:05 am

I could see one of these busses get hung up on the crest of a hill in San Francisco.  
 
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:21 pm

Quoting bohica (Reply 12):
I could see one of these busses get hung up on the crest of a hill in San Francisco
 
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:27 pm

Looks like a WB tram to me

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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:32 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 13):

That has happened up my street with a moving van. Some of our hills do have quite sharp crests, as illustrated in your photo.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:36 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 10):
Because the average Dublin city bus would be exiting an embassy car park?

Eh. Minor details.
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RE: Why Can't City Buses Look More Like This?

Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:49 am

Quoting SP90 (Reply 4):
The newer generation of MTA buses I see in NYC have pretty low ground clearance too. When they pull up to the curb the floor at the door is pretty much level with the sidewalk (which is about 6 inches tall).

fields beat me too it.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
Many newer city transit busses in US 'kneel' when they stop.

I ride the bus everyday. Most of the exterior of a bus is cosmetic anyway. Hell, we have the Monorail here in Seattle which was supposed to be the "future" of rail transit in the '60s. When I walk on a bus all I care about is: #1 is there a bike rack #2 are there seat covers and #3 how much is the fare? Oh, and like today would the guy on the bus next to me take a shower more than once a week.
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