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Formula 1 Season 2011

Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:03 pm

This thread is the place to discuss ALL F1, Formula 1 related matters and events that are happening during the 2011 season.

The upcoming race in Canada will be round 7. The season so far has been dominated by Red Bull Racing and Sebastian Vettel with only Lewis Hamilton, who won in China, managing to beat Vettel.

Bahrain will make a return in October, much to the dismay of teams and the drivers, with only the Bahrainis, FOM and the FIA being happy with the decision.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Season 2011

Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting bill142 (Thread starter):
Bahrain will make a return in October, much to the dismay of teams and the drivers, with only the Bahrainis, FOM and the FIA being happy with the decision.

Could there be a race if all the teams decide to boycott it? I mean, if no-one turns up are the FIA going to ban them all? Is there a legal/contractual obligation for the teams to have to be there at all races?
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 1):
Is there a legal/contractual obligation for the teams to have to be there at all races?

Yes, but if no one turns up it's not like they'll all get thrown out. There's no body to take their places. When the teams work together, which they've only just started to do, they seem to be able to wield a bit of influence over the sports authorities.
 
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RE: Formula 1 Season 2011

Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:56 pm

Thanks for starting this thread bill142.

Regarding Bahrain I'll repeat what I said in the other thread before it was deleted for going 'off topic'..

It is a horrible decision to reinstate the Bahrain GP. It is a slap in the face to the people who protested for democracy and change..people died, and the F1 world seems to be going on as though nothing happened. Absolutely disgusting, money trumps humanity again. No surprises there at all.

Kudos to Webber for having the guts to speak out on the matter, if only other F1 drivers/teams could do the same.
And let me add..I was disgusted at Jackie Stewart's remark that it was OK to race in Bahrain because 'not many people had been killed'. What a tool.
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RE: Formula 1 Season 2011

Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:13 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
And let me add..I was disgusted at Jackie Stewart's remark that it was OK to race in Bahrain because 'not many people had been killed'. What a tool.

And as others have written in F1 forums, how many people are likely to disappear (or, at least, find their lives becoming very difficult) when the race is on, so that they won't come into contact with the world's press that will descend for both the Grand Prix and because of the situation there?

By that stage of the season it'll probably be a meaningless race anyway given the way things are going in the championship. I can't imagine the driver's or constructor's #1 not being decided by then.
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Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:51 pm

Well as we're on our way to Montreal and the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, a little flashback to the very first race held in Montreal, and won by non other than Gilles. His very first GP win. Here's the photo I took that day on his way to that victory in his Ferrari as he approaches what is now turn 11. In those days, it was just past the end of what was the pit straight.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Misc_Photos/GillesVilleneuve-Montreal78.jpg
 
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RE: Formula 1 Season 2011

Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:44 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 5):
Here's the photo I took that day on his way to that victory

Photopilot, you have officially become my hero!!

Looking into the Bahrain WMSC decision I found these couple of gems....

Especially for EZEIZA  
…… a member of the FIA(often maligned as Ferrari International Assistance)World Motor Sport Council is François CORNELIS, and his title...."President of the FIA Manufacturers' Commission or the Ferrari SpA Representative"

I kid you not, they have their own representative on the FIA WMSC


Another tidbit from the WMSC meeting of 03/06/2011….

2013 Regulations

The Technical Regulations for 2013 were approved:

- Power units will be four cylinders, 1.6 litre with high pressure gasoline injection up to 500 bar with a maximum of 12,000 rpm, with extensive energy management and energy recovery systems (now known as ERS), reflecting the decision taken by the WMSC in December 2010
- The aerodynamic regulations have been based on 2011 rules, with modifications in order to improve the aerodynamic efficiency: together with the power train rules, this will enable a 35% reduction in fuel consumption
- The height of the tip of the nose will be limited to ensure better compatibility in a T-bone style accident
- A limitation on transmissions (gear ratios, number of gearboxes) in order to decrease costs
- The overall weight of the car must be no less than 660kg


Damn it, they have turned the world's premier class of motor racing into 1990’s IndyCars!!

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Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:10 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 5):
Here's the photo I took that day on his way to that victory in his Ferrari as he approaches what is now turn 11. In those days, it was just past the end of what was the pit straight.

Thanks for the photo. I wasn't even alive when Gilles Villeneuve won his first race, but my interest in the legend of Gilles Villeneuve was partly sparked by the fact that I'm a fan of his son Jacques. When everyone talks about him as "son of Gilles", I decided I needed to read up on his famous father. Gilles Villeneuve was certainly one of a kind. Had he lived I would've loved to see him fight with other 80s greats like Rosberg, Mansell, Piquet, Senna and Prost. I don't think his statistics do him any justice. I've watched a few Youtube videos of Gilles Villeneuve in action too. He was truly a star.
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:55 am

Having also been guilty as charged in the Monaco thread, I'd like to seek some clarification (because I'm easily confused!)

Is the intention that this thread is for all F1 discussion OTHER than the race-specific threads, because a new thread for the Canadian GP has just been started.

It would seem to make sense to keep race-specific discussion to the respective race threads, but use this thread for general discussion. Or have I got this completely wrong?   
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:04 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 8):
Is the intention that this thread is for all F1 discussion OTHER than the race-specific threads, because a new thread for the Canadian GP has just been started.

Seems that is the way forward

Quoting scbriml (Reply 8):
Or have I got this completely wrong?

Think we are on the same page..... may mean we both have it wrong
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:09 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 8):

My intention was that all f1, including race, discussion happened in one thread so we can go off on tangents that are related since that's what the interpretation of the forum rules for the deletion of posts seems to imply.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 6):
Damn it, they have turned the world's premier class of motor racing into 1990’s IndyCars!!

Why does F1 need to be Eco friendly? Maybe they should make the teams buy hybrid trucks and make their factories carbon neutral to offset the emissions caused by the race cars. Also they can ban races in countries that don't give two hoots aboutw their carbon emissons.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:25 pm

The new rules I feel are going a little bit in the wrong direction. Prett soon a bicycle is going to be faster  

For instance look at the number of dials on the steering wheel (or shall we say it's more like a control panel...). That should be reduced, like make less possibilities. Make the drivers concentrate on racing.

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Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:00 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 11):
For instance look at the number of dials on the steering wheel (or shall we say it's more like a control panel...). That should be reduced, like make less possibilities. Make the drivers concentrate on racing.

Maybe they should just install ipads or something so they can cram even more buttons on to it. Surely there's an app for that function.
 
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Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:18 pm

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Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:48 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 13):

Almost looks like a hit and run by Buemi. What was that guy thinking running out onto the track?
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:04 pm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92061

FOTA want the Bahrain GP moved to the last race, rather than October 30 as presently scheduled. Interestingly, Max Moseley claims the FIA are in breach of their own rules by moving the Indian GP.
 
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Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:41 pm

Somebody has business in the race happening, isn't that right Bernie ?  

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Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:41 am

Now Bernie says Bahrain GP can't go ahead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13694628.stm

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Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone has said October's reinstated Bahrain Grand Prix cannot go ahead.

The race was due to open the season in March but was called off because of civil unrest. Last week the FIA restored it to the calendar.

"Hopefully we can return in the future, but of course it's not on," Ecclestone told BBC Sport's Dan Roan.
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Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:34 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):

They need the approval of all the teams in order to reinstate the GP. It's good to see that the teams have expressed some objections to the reinstalment of the GP.
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Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:24 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 11):

For instance look at the number of dials on the steering wheel (or shall we say it's more like a control panel...). That should be reduced, like make less possibilities. Make the drivers concentrate on racing.

They should give them all cars with no electronic aids, turbos, and very little downforce. It made for awesome racing in the late 80's, and while I'm a fan, I'm a fan of the era before I was born (1992), as I watched them all on VHS. It's too much about fancy gadgets and who's got the best computer geeks making the cars faster now and not so much about pure performance.
 
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Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:21 am

Now that we have a general F1 thread will it be possible to have a rational discussion about whether F1 should return to Bahrain this season and if so should it be the final round or nto?

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Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:37 am

Briatore to take over Domenicali's spot at Ferrari?

  

http://www.blogf1.it/2011/06/10/briatore-in-ferrari-forse-ma-dal-2013/

Not the first time I hear this. My take is that this may very well be Domanicali's last season.
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:02 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):

I doubt Ferrari would want their name associated with Briatore after what he did.

What's your beef with Domenicali anyway?
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:12 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 22):
What's your beef with Domenicali anyway?

He hasn't proved much.
Just see where they are at this season.

 
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:46 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):

He hasn't proved much.
Just see where they are at this season.

The same could be argued about Martin Whitmarsh at McLaren or almost any other team principal sans Frank Williams. Ferrari had a bad start to 2010, but turned it around and I don't see any reason why they won't do it again this year.
 
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:11 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Briatore to take over Domenicali's spot at Ferrari?

That would make no sense, not because of the scandals he has been involved in, high moral or ethical standards have not been high on the Scuderia's priorities for many years.
Ferrari would not want Briatore as a replacement for Domenicali because he is not a good team manager.
The Scuderia need(and urgently) someone who can manage a team on race day, that is not his forte, he is a wheeler and dealer and likely a a very good driver manager, race day strategy and tactics are, I believe, not his forte.
They need someone like Ross Brawn(again), The sad thing for Ferrari is there are few of that calibre on the market.
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Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:55 pm

They can always raise someone, but that is a long path and they need results fast.

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Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:41 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 26):
They can always raise someone, but that is a long path and they need results fast.

I thought that's what they did with Domenicali. He's been with Ferrari since 1991, and with the sporting side of Ferrari since 1995 holding various management positions.
 
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:07 am

Pictures of Robert Kubica since after his rallye accident.

27 pictures total, the page is in Polish.

http://szybki.fakt.pl/Kubica-wraca-d...rowia,galeria-artykulu,106167.html

Get well Robert Kubica!

 
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:39 am

Despite what some people might think, I do not go looking for ways to rain on Ferrari's parade.... they manage to provide the opportunities voluntarily.

Am I the only one that sees something exceptionally cynical if not immoral, even illegal about Ferrari renewing their relationship with Philip Morris and continuing the use of the official title, Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro?
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 29):

Surprised the eu hasn't stepped in to stop It. Perhaps we will see marlboro branded cars in India as that probably an evolving Market for Philip Morris
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
Pictures of Robert Kubica since after his rallye accident.

Have you seen the scar on his righ arm?  Wow!

Quite frightening...
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Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:26 pm

It is. During today's press conference his manager said that he is ahead of schedule, in terms of coming back to health. RK is determined to get back, first on the simulator than the real thing. We sure miss him, the season without him and except for one or two races is less interesting.

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Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:17 am

Kobayashi expecting second strong Valencia race
18 June 2011

Kamui Kobayashi was, for many, the star of last year’s Valencia race by running on a long strategy before overtaking both Fernando Alonso and Sébastien Buemi to seize seventh place in the last two laps. Having finished among the top ten in every race so far this year, the Japanese is confident for more of the same next weekend.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:22 am

Had the good fortune to see the motion picture "Senna" this afternoon, it had a single showing during the Sydney Film Festival.

If you consider yourselves followers of Formula1 I would heartily recommend you make the effort to see it if the opportunity arises.

Having been around the sport for many years I thought I was pretty well versed in the career Ayrton Senna. The film examines his career in great detail and especially focuses on his relationship with Prost and the politics that affected that era so blatantly.

The film is beautifully edited considering there is no new footage filmed for it and also covers in some detail Senna's personal life.

Some portions paint Prost as a conniving and somewhat traitorous foe, perhaps with some some foundation considering this is the era of FISA and Jean Marie Balestre but it would be interesting to see how a similar examination of events would turn out if the film was about Prost.

All in all an excellent film .. go see it!
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Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:20 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
Some portions paint Prost as a conniving and somewhat traitorous foe, perhaps with some some foundation considering this is the era of FISA and Jean Marie Balestre but it would be interesting to see how a similar examination of events would turn out if the film was about Prost.

That's what I heard as well. I will see the movie if I have the opportunity, but as much as I like Senna, if the movie depicts Prost as the "villain" then it will get on my nerves quickly. The fame of Senna is also because of Prost, and would not have been the same without Prost.
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Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:40 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 35):
The fame of Senna is also because of Prost,

That is certainly true in part but I am convinced that both would have been standout drivers of their generations without the other, the fact their careers overlapped just raised them both to a higher level.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 35):
if the movie depicts Prost as the "villain" then it will get on my nerves quickly

I think it does a bit but on reflection there is more to it.
There is no doubt that Prost was the more calculating and political of the two and this can sometimes be seen as conniving or devious. In my opinion, in many ways whilst very calculating he was perhaps the more ruthless of the two, perhaps a result of his calculating mind.. Japan 1989, knowing if Senna did not score points he would be WDC... the opportunity came at the relatively slow(safe) chicane, thinking he was now the champion Prost got out of his car not expecting Senna to jump start and carry on, changing his front wing and massacring Nannini to cross the line first.. after much discussion(shouting and screaming more like) Senna was DQ and Nannini was on the top step of the podium.

Was this, and after a subsequent appeal, a $100,000 fine and 6 month suspended sentence FOR Senna all Prost's fault?... doubt it, whilst he was a player, the real villain in the piece was, undoubtedly, President of FISA Balestre, the glory of France being much higher on his list of priorities than honesty, integrity or sportsmanship.
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Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:16 pm

I can't wait to see it, I'll get DVD anyway. Nevermind who and how is presented. Senna was the greatest and best F1 driver for me. Period.

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Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:56 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 36):
That is certainly true in part but I am convinced that both would have been standout drivers of their generations without the other, the fact their careers overlapped just raised them both to a higher level.

We can say the highest level. I can't remember any duel in F1's history that has been so intense, passionnate and even violent as Prost-Senna's. That period was simply epic and everything that came afterwards was simply bland.

On the video below, some testimonies show how much Prost and Senna were indissociable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKKgrMROP7s

Quoting stealthz (Reply 36):
I think it does a bit but on reflection there is more to it.

I'm not going to discuss about that. Prost and Senna both had their shares of misconduct on the track.
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Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:31 pm

I was a devout Alain Prost supporter so I would not be objective talking about Ayrton Senna.
A geek friend here is a devout Senna fan. We never fight over it. We each have our favourite between the two.

 

Ayrton Senna died much too soon. I guess it was his destiny. F1 at the time wasn't what it is now. There was much more risk and much more danger.

 
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:38 am

F1 on Twitter

Look up your favourites and follow them on Twitter

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Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:31 am

Just so many of them.....   one is missing, the best one  

Engine mapping is to be banned between qualy and the race according to a few websites. Good and bad news really. Good for the championship, bad because it's the midseason.

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Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:21 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 38):
Prost and Senna both had their shares of misconduct on the track.

Absolutely, I hope my posts didn't imply that I thought Senna was a saint, far from it and he would be the first to admit it!
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:22 pm

Looks as though a new plan for the 2013 engine rules has come up, or possibly the 2014 engine rules.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92510

V6 Turbo, going back to the turbo era of the 80s. I wonder if we'll see the 1000+ hp monsters again? or will the FIA cap it?
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:31 pm

Why not do it a step at a time go from 2.4 V8 to 2.0 V6 for three years for example and so on. That 1.6 in an F1 car just sounds ridiculous.

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Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 43):
V6 Turbo, going back to the turbo era of the 80s. I wonder if we'll see the 1000+ hp monsters again? or will the FIA cap it?

Hmm, this might end up bringing new engine manufactures into F1. Seeing as IndyCar is going to a Turbo V6 next year, this might open engines up to run in both series. I like this move very much

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Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:10 am

Quoting codeshare (Reply 44):
That 1.6 in an F1 car just sounds ridiculous.

The most awesomely powerful F1 engines of all time, well over 1000hp for qualifying were 1.5l 4 cylinders!!

Quoting bill142 (Reply 43):
I wonder if we'll see the 1000+ hp monsters again? or will the FIA cap it?

My understanding of the 2013(4) Engine rules(I will admit, limited understanding at this time) is that there is a fuel flow limit rather than a total fuel limit. If you can get 1000hp from the allowed fuel flow then good for you but your talents would be better used elsewhere!!
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Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:14 pm

I likely spend too much time commuting, something I was thinking about earlier...

Red Bull??

How much longer are they likely to stay in F1??

There are many followers of F1, likely many of the A.net F1 community that perceive RBR as part of the F1 industry and here for the long haul as are Ferrari, McLaren, Williams etc.
Truth is that is unlikely. sponsors come and go and the industry can live with that but RB take it to a different level.
They create an industry as in Red Bull Air Race or a "factory team" RBR but the marketing focus of the organiasation really runs the show.

Will RBR suffer the same fate as Red Bull Air Race?
IMO.. likely.. the dilletantes in the RBR marking machine will decide that their target is not an F1 fan... as they did with RBAR... and pull the plug, just as they did with their NASCAR team.

Do others share this concern?

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RE: Formula 1 Season 2011

Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:37 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 47):
Do others share this concern?

Yes. Like any other company, if F1 isn't profitable for them any longer, they will pull the plug. Red Bull will be around only for as long as it suits their bottom line. But the team itself isn't going to disappear - it'll be sold to someone else, so Webber and Vettel (if they're still arond then) will still have a drive, and Adrian Newey will still have a job.

In this day and age of corporate F1, it seems as though there is a revolving door of teams that have come and gone. Jordan, Midland, Spyker, US F1, Toyota, Honda, BMW ... the list goes on. The question isn't whether Red Bull will pull the plug, but when.

It's times like these that make me glad I'm a Williams fan. I don't have to change teams every few years   
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RE: Formula 1 Season 2011

Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:31 pm

Juan Manuel Fangio: On his 100th anniversary

Today is the 100th anniversary of the birth of Juan Manuel Fangio, the five times world champion racer from the 1950s.

Fangio raced for Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo and won two world titles with Mercedes-Benz, the last time they were in F1 in 1954 and 1955.

Read more:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/0...l-fangio-on-his-100th-anniversary/
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