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Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:22 am

I cannot raise the old thread on this - probably lost in the void between yesterday and two days before yesterday - but it appears this is back in the news.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...d=827b993b08a64d508721c205f946f07c
AP source: Accuser issues shake Strauss-Kahn case

By JENNIFER PELTZ, Associated Press – 4 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Questions that have surfaced about the credibility of a hotel housekeeper who has accused former International Monetary Fund leader Dominique Strauss-Kahn of raping her are leading prosecutors to seek a reduction in his pricey bail, a person familiar with the case said Thursday.

The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters not yet made public in court, told The Associated Press that prosecutors have raised issues about the accuser's credibility in the case against Strauss-Kahn, but would not elaborate on what those issues were.


Now there is a surprise.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:56 am

This is getting curiouser and curiouser...

Will DSK survive? Let's hope he gets released on his own recognizance - that maid is one dodgy character, can't wait to hear the gory details behind this honey trap...
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:12 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):
This is getting curiouser and curiouser...

Indeed, but mind you, it had a pretty high level of curious to start from, so fasten seat belts!  

I noticed an aside from his successor ?yesterday that she might consult DSK on some issues. Not a surprise except that she mentioned it.

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):
that maid is one dodgy character, can't wait to hear the gory details behind this honey trap...

"You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment." Francis Urquhart. AFAIK, DSK is not accused of having thrown any spare girls of a high building - as yet!
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:45 am

The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

If this was a set up - and that is possible - then you have to wonder who and what was behind this act. Was it her alone looking for some big cash? Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF? Could allegations of her having something like $100K in a bank account friends of DKS trying to ruin her creditably to get DSK out of trouble?

Hopefully the 'truth' will come out soon. If she lied or was involved in a criminal deal to get DSK, then revoke her asylum in the USA and send her back home as cruel as it would be. If DSK did assult this maid, then he should go to jail.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:03 am

So, it was a conspiracy after all ! I didn't expect this after all this time.

From the NYT article :

Quote:
According to the two officials, the woman had a phone conversation with an incarcerated man within a day of her encounter with Mr. Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him. The conversation was recorded.

That man, the investigators learned, had been arrested on charges of possessing 400 pounds of marijuana. He is among a number of individuals who made multiple cash deposits, totaling around $100,000, into the woman’s bank account over the last two years. The deposits were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

The sad part is that the people throwing the book at DSK, feminists, females, or otherwise, didn't care about justice to begin with, or they would have waited.
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:36 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
If this was a set up - and that is possible - then you have to wonder who and what was behind this act. Was it her alone looking for some big cash? Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF?

Well, we know who benefited: Sarkozy got rid of his strongest contender for the presidency and got to install a loyal soldier as head of the IMF.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:54 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF?

Talking of which:

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
and got to install a loyal soldier as head of the IMF.

and even more curious, this all emerges the day after his successor takes office. Too much of a coincidence to be suspicious. I mean you would not dare to be so obvious. Would you? Gawd, I don't know. What a mess.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
Hopefully the 'truth' will come out soon.

Nice thought, but I hope you are not taking any bets on that particular outcome!   

Does start to look at if Quick Draw McGraw might have made an error. How much is all that worth in damages in the US? Just as well the US will have maxed out its credit card by the time that would be determined!
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:18 am

Bad news for some US Americans, who saw this "guilty little sleazy Frenchman" correctly handcuffed and degraded.  



(BTW. The operative word is: Frenchman)

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Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:48 am

This whole case was is bizarre from the beginning. The whole story did not fit, except that if it really was a set-up, there would be no better place in the world for a frame than the USA.

All this is so ridiculous and the way the NY police and DA handled that tops everything. It will have to be seen in how strong the evidence really was, but even if the evidence was there in the beginning, how can a justice system parade someone who, in a state of the law is innocent until proven guilty, on a "perp" walk? "Perp" stands for perpetrator and anyone accused of a crime is that only after the jury has come to the verdict "guilty". The bail is set extremely high and the conditions for his release from Rikers are laughable. The electronic device is OK, but that should do it. An armed guard 24 hours AND a camera is gross. A daily report to the next precinct should have served the purpose as well. At least this must have been the safest place in Manhattan, no burglar would have dared to brake into that place.

We will not find out who framed DSK, but as Baroque said, it is obvious that a day after his successor is introduced in office all of a sudden new evidence pops up.

If the whole story fires back on the NY Police and DA it will be interestinmg to learn how big the compensation will be. The Hotel is responsibvle for their employees and Sofitel is the flagship of the Accor Group, which is French and the largest hotel group in the world. .
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:51 am

If it appears that the maid lied, and that NY Police was a little too fast to believe her, I guess somebody will have to pay a large amount of cash for the incredible damages DSK suffered.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:54 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
Was she set up or used by powerful people who wanted DSK out of power at the IMF?

Not just the IMF. DSK was the centre-left hopeful for next year´s French presidential elections, with good chances of winning over the conservative Sarkozy. Due to the whole affair DSK has missed the deadline for anouncing his candidacy, also, even if he will be aquitted, his reputation has been permanently damaged.
Now the French election will be a race between Sarkozy and the ultra-nationalist, ultra-rightwing (bordering on fascism) Mme. LePen. So many people, who else never would have voted for Sarkozy will vote for him as the smaller evil to keep Mme. LePen away from presidency.

The whole affair could well result in the discovery that the maid made DSK a blatant sexual offer and, like many men, his brain switched off at this moment, never thinking about the risks he was running. Once the he came (and the maid got the evidence, his sperm, on her clothes), she started shouting rape and murder.

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Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:22 am

No, DSK hasn't missed any deadline, the closer of which is for the socialist primary (which might even be changed for him). The deadline to be on the presidential ballot is many months away. At this point pretty much anything is possible, there are many candidates, Le Pen is not certain at all to be in the 2nd round of the election, and neither is Sarkozy.
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
The sad part is that the people throwing the book at DSK, feminists, females, or otherwise, didn't care about justice to begin with, or they would have waited.

I wonder if the New York Post will take back all those nice things they said about him. Probably not.  

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Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:37 am

Oh well, my judgment is still suspended, except that the case is obviously not as open and shut - probably either way - as was oft proclaimed. But it did walk like a duck, and quack like a duck.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:02 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
But it did walk like a duck, and quack like a duck.

...but was not waterproof like a duck.

Where did the old thread go ?

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
No, DSK hasn't missed any deadline

Correct. If the case collapses (IF), DSK will be freed and free to make his choice on the candidacy.
What was seen as recently as yesterday as a dive to the pit could become a straight climb on afterburner to Presidency...with the involuntary help of US Justice and media.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:35 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 14):
Where did the old thread go ?

Certainly do not ask me - spent about 20 minutes trying to summon it up without any success. I think the search system is suffering memory a bit like mine. I tend to remember 5 minutes ago, and 1955, but I am very sketchy about March 2011!!! Same with the Search. I can get DSK for 2010, and June 2011 but not earlier this year. Probably Google could find it, but you only seem to get Civil threads show up in Google.

Quoting iakobos (Reply 14):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
But it did walk like a duck, and quack like a duck.

...but was not waterproof like a duck.

Indeed, but the question what was I writing about, the prosecution case or the is the fix in theory of the case? Somethings seems not to have been at all waterproof.

Curious about the phone intercept. Were the police suspicious from the start, did they pick up that call from some other case they were looking (listening to) at. That itself could be worth another thread - to be lost in the Search miasma!

DSK might get out just in time to buy a Greek island and help the bail out. Hope you guys are OK there, a map on our news tonight had Athens out in the Aegean Sea!!!! No mention of a huge quake either.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:16 pm

The case was not really discussed at the hearing (the assistant DA just said there was an attack, we don't drop the charges), however DSK is now free in the US. He walked out of the court with his wife, smiling.

The lawyer for the alleged victim is ranting since dozens of minutes in front of the court, telling some pretty private details...
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:17 pm

Breaking news:
DSK released without bail. There still will be a trial, but DSK has been released on a word of honour to attend the trial and the bail money has been returned to him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13993866

The credibility of the alleged victim has more and more been doubted. DSK admitts that there was a sexual contact, but according to him it was consentual.

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Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:07 pm

And another "confidence" (from DA's office) at this minute:
the alleged victim has cleaned three suites or bedrooms right after the incident.

Kind of heroic with a torn ligament of the right shoulder, the damaged vagina, broken panties, state of shock and whatever her lawyer vividly described earlier today, isnt' it ?

The link with a convict, the phone conversation with him pertaining to how to exploit the case, the sizeable money transfers from third parties on her bank account, the (apparent) absence of immigration papers....
me thinks she went from alleged victim to suspected perjurer in a heartbeat.

I do not read in crystal balls but it looks a lot as if some kind of "moment of a sexual nature" triggered a mercantile mechanism in her.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:26 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 6):
Does start to look at if Quick Draw McGraw might have made an error. How much is all that worth in damages in the US? Just as well the US will have maxed out its credit card by the time that would be determined!

There will be no "damages" paid by police or prosecutors. An allegation was made and they have a responsibility to react. IF the maid is found to be lying, then she could be prosecuted and DSK could seek damages from her. Good luck with that.

Quoting sebolino (Reply 9):
If it appears that the maid lied, and that NY Police was a little too fast to believe her, I guess somebody will have to pay a large amount of cash for the incredible damages DSK suffered.

The police have no choice but to believe her under the circumstances. The man was leaving the country to a country with which there is no extradition treaty. Perhaps this might have played out differently if not for that fact and also the Polanski case?

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Curious about the phone intercept. Were the police suspicious from the start, did they pick up that call from some other case they were looking (listening to) at. That itself could be worth another thread - to be lost in the Search miasma!

All phone calls made in jail are recorded. Once the prosecutors started checking into the maid, they found a call with the jail and it was simply a matter of requesting the tape.

Quoting iakobos (Reply 18):
The link with a convict, the phone conversation with him pertaining to how to exploit the case, the sizeable money transfers from third parties on her bank account, the (apparent) absence of immigration papers....
me thinks she went from alleged victim to suspected perjurer in a heartbeat.

Remember, just because the maid may be a criminal herself, does not mean an attack did not take place or that she is lying about this. That is yet to be determined.
Lets say there really was a rape and the prosecutor decided to drop the charges simply because they are worried about how her credibility would stand up against his expensive defense team. She would have much more reason to scream about the travesties of US justice than any of DSK's worshipers.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:45 pm

I saw a part of the statement of the woman's lawyer.


Most important point he maid (IMHO) was that the #3 person in the DA's office was married to one of DSK's defense attorneys. The woman's attorney (who was a federal prosecutor with the #2 in the DA's office) asked the DA if the #3 had made any declaration within the DA's office that she was recusing herself from the case because of her husbands involvement. The answer was No. So basically the Prosecutor is sleeping with the Defense Attorney - every night.

Another interesting point was the the woman did have a damaged shoulder after the "attack".

There is no question about sex - DNA proves that. The only issue, it seems is that of rape or consent. In addressing that question I believe that money will win out, especially with the potential pillow talk going on in the case.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

It is always difficult for a woman who was raped to get taken care of. In this case we have a very wealthy, very powerful man and a hotel maid. My bet is that DSK walks, especially with his "in" at the DA's office.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
There still will be a trial

There MIGHT be a trial. The prosecution could still decide to drop charges if they don't think they can get a case.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
There is no question about sex - DNA proves that. The only issue, it seems is that of rape or consent.

And DSK has admitted there was sex. But whether it was consensual or not comes down to an issue of whether the jury believes him or her, since nobody else was around. And if the prosecution thinks there are issues with her credibility, then you're probably not going to convince a jury that she's believable.

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Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:29 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
IF the maid is found to be lying, then she could be prosecuted and DSK could seek damages from her. Good luck with that.

Depends a bit if it turns out she had co-conspirators, assuming there was a conspiracy, which I don't.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Curious about the phone intercept. Were the police suspicious from the start, did they pick up that call from some other case they were looking (listening to) at. That itself could be worth another thread - to be lost in the Search miasma!

All phone calls made in jail are recorded. Once the prosecutors started checking into the maid, they found a call with the jail and it was simply a matter of requesting the tape.

At last something with a simple and believable explanation!!! I guess that would figure, but it suggests that the conspirators were either as ignorant of phone tapping in the US as I am or rather stupid!

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
The police have no choice but to believe her under the circumstances.

Distant observers certainly agree with this point. But - especially with a case that was likely to be she said, he said - it was the made for TV arrest performance that grated. Yes a charge had to be made, but maybe not the performance.

What is even more irritating is that our police seem to think it is a good idea to follow that type of practice. We had some company execs arrested over bribery charges Friday amid much smug satisfaction by our police. Said police have been working closely with police forces in two of the countries involved. I wonder if our police would like to provide all their accounts to demonstrate no illegal payments have been made. It is a bit like the point that Ken is making. The law should be like Caesar's wife. I rather doubt if our lot have been and according to Ken, well ......
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:24 pm

While DSK's behavior was far from exemplary, the DA Cyrus Vance Jr and the NYPD showed poor judgement in the manner of arrest. Even Mike Bloomberg gloated as he justified the 'Perp Walk', a lynch-mob favorite. Jerry Orbach (L&O) would have done it with class.

NYT talks about the DA here:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...01/mr-vances-spectacular-botch/?hp


NYC voters gobble this stuff up however, and the will of the people bashed those fancy French folk, especially them with Diplomatic Immunity (lowest of the low in Queens). My provincial little town detests uppity foreigners who we saved in WW2 and all, and are now taking up all the good parking spots.

Folks, It's time to end the charade. We have nothing against foreigners, but we prefer them from the huddled masses. Let's just defund and move the IMF, UN and the World Bank to Vienna. American taxpayers back these institutions, where a good hard-working American ends up with a foreigner as a boss. What is that about! At least the US military don't take no orders from some blue-capped dudes.

 
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 3):
The sad part is if the maid's story is a lie, then it will become more difficult for women who are really raped or sexually assulted by powerful and rich men to be able to be seen as creditable and get justice.

      

This is the saddest thing.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
Oh well, my judgment is still suspended

So many people here have vested interests in lying, on all sides...
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:52 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 7):
Bad news for some US Americans, who saw this "guilty little sleazy Frenchman" correctly handcuffed and degraded.  

Hey! This american called it from day one! I was and am truly amazed that something so blatantly fishy could have been taken this seriously in the first place.

Quoting sebolino (Reply 9):


If it appears that the maid lied, and that NY Police was a little too fast to believe her, I guess somebody will have to pay a large amount of cash for the incredible damages DSK suffered.

Seriously. I'm not a fan of frivolous litigation, but this case already screams for it. If this comes out to be what it is, IMF, the New York DA's office, a certain maid, and about a million media outlets have some serious apologizing (and spending!) to do.

It would be great if this lead to more prosecutorial accountability as well, but I'm not holding my breath...

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
I wonder if the New York Post will take back all those nice things they said about him. Probably not.  

Ha, we wish. You know how it is with these guys... Unproven headlines in 32 point letters on the cover... Retractions buried in the back behind the obits...
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:19 am

This is the original thread on the "sleazy rich european playboy" arrested by the "best justice system in the world":

IMF Leader Arrested At JFK For Sex Assault (by ltbewr May 14 2011 in Non Aviation)
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:30 am

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
Lets say there really was a rape and the prosecutor decided to drop the charges simply because they are worried about how her credibility would stand up against his expensive defense team. She would have much more reason to scream about the travesties of US justice than any of DSK's worshipers.

The only issues with her credibility deal directly with this case. I literally haven't heard/read anything else about her; hell our gestapos won't even release her name. DSK, on the other hand, has had his whole life blown open for the judgement of our ignorant and self righteous masses, a clear world of difference. But for her, again, credibility issues have arisen strictly from this case and the obvious lack of integrity she's presented. She can scream all she wants... from a cell.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):

Remember, just because the maid may be a criminal herself, does not mean an attack did not take place or that she is lying about this. That is yet to be determined.

From a strictly legal sense, sure I guess that's still a big maybe. I can't see how this is still prosecutable in real life though. I would wager decent odds the case gets dropped soon. If not, we're going to see an expensive acquittal.
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:33 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 23):
Folks, It's time to end the charade. We have nothing against foreigners, but we prefer them from the huddled masses. Let's just defund and move the IMF, UN and the World Bank to Vienna. American taxpayers back these institutions, where a good hard-working American ends up with a foreigner as a boss. What is that about! At least the US military don't take no orders from some blue-capped dudes.

If this is a joke, I'm missing it....A global economic community has global organisms such as IMF, UN and World Bank. Everyone has taxpayers and they all contribute to these institutions, in the case of the IMF, Europe more so than the US. So are you saying Americans are so xenophobic and arrogant that global institutions are only of use if they can all by run by Americans and manipulated for US interests alone? Otherwise, if they are run by 'foreigners' this is an intolerable outrage?
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:10 am

Thanks Aloges

Just a guess...another unscheduled appearance in court within 10 days, case dropped and DSK receives his passport.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Most important point he maid (IMHO) was that the #3 person in the DA's office
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Another interesting point was the the woman did have a damaged shoulder after the "attack".
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):

There is no question about sex - DNA proves that.

I disagree, his (K Thompson) hateful long speech attacked both the perpetrator and the DA and was aimed at shocking the public and preparing the future.
His utterly indecent descriptions of (alleged) physical consequences are signs that he lost his case on the penal side but wants to keep the chicken warm for a future civil case. There is still money to be made.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:23 am

Interesting document that brings some light on the personality of the claimant.

http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/lettre-dsk-1er-juillet.pdf
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:01 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 30):
Interesting document that brings some light on the personality of the claimant.

http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/...t.pdf

Sounds like my Sierra Leonian ex-wife.

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Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:15 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 31):
Sounds like my Sierra Leonian ex-wife.

Come on Jan, no easy cliché please.  
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:25 pm

I found this part from the NYT most interesting, highlighting the exact feeling of unreasoned rush we got from France :

Quote:
Some within the district attorney’s office suggested that the rush to bring the case to a grand jury may have contributed to its current, weakened state.

Early on, there appeared to be disagreement in the office over how to proceed — whether to agree to a bail package for Mr. Strauss-Kahn and take more time to investigate before seeking his indictment, or whether to try to keep him locked up and quickly take the case to the grand jury for an indictment, according to three people involved in the case.

I do believe that, whatever her background, if a rape has happened, the alleged victim could have got justice (and maybe not face anything for that background). However, for that to happen, the case should have been handled quite differently, and the prosecutors should have made clear to her, from the start, that she should tell all about her possible past misgivings if this was to proceed, while treating DSK quite differently.

There is also the possibility of a set up from her, but we'll never know.
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 25):
Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 7):
Bad news for some US Americans, who saw this "guilty little sleazy Frenchman" correctly handcuffed and degraded.

Hey! This American called it from day one! I was and am truly amazed that something so blatantly fishy could have been taken this seriously in the first place.

That is one of the reasons I was a bit irritated I could not find the original thread, it does preserve what one might term "an interesting range of opinions". And this turn of events does indeed follow many of your thoughts wn700driver - so a deserved well done. It was not easy even to have an open mind in the face of the onslaughts. This post from the second thread (see below for link) was an excellent post I thought.
wn700driver From United States of America, Reply 4,

Quoting aloges (Reply 26):
This is the original thread on the "sleazy rich european playboy" arrested by the "best justice system in the world":

IMF Leader Arrested At JFK For Sex Assault (by ltbewr May 14 2011 in Non Aviation)

And the continuation after Mexico complained of loading times was at:
IMF Leader Arrested At JFK For Sex Assault Part 2 (by Baroque May 21 2011 in Non Aviation)

I made a rough summary at that stage which might be worth recapping
Plea from Mexico to start a new thread due to size.

Recapping. DSK, head of IMF arrested at JFK for alleged sexual misconduct (details available elsewhere!!). Complainant willing to testify it seems.

Put in jail without bail and on suicide watch - not known why suicide watch.

Now bailed on $1 million (so not too much bearing in mind the current value of the USD!!! plus some sort of insurance and house arrest with a tracking device attached to him.

DSK resigns as head of IMF and debate about replacement (my own hope is for a Singaporean who will put the cat among the western pigeons, but that is an editorial intruding as the front runner is probably a French woman).

Objections from some about how prisoners are treated re handcuffing in the US and general way cases are treated in the US. Stout defences of US justice system. Observations about imprisonment rates for minorities and the poor. DSK seems not to be a rep of a minority (sorry to French whites) and lucky for him seems not to be that poor either. No mention of Freedom Fries yet, but they must have been close.

Apologies for what I got wrong and for opinions creeping in! On with the motley!!


A PS to Aloges, how did you find it? I could not even find part II and I started that!! Mind you trying various combinations of IMF and I.M.F. and his name was quite a trial. And of course now I know his name was not even there, so I could have missed all those attempts!
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:52 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
Lets say there really was a rape and the prosecutor decided to drop the charges simply because they are worried about how her credibility would stand up against his expensive defense team. She would have much more reason to scream about the travesties of US justice than any of DSK's worshipers.

She'd only be able to point the finger at herself. Want to be able to win a case where it's your word against someone else's? Better not create a history of being deceitful. I might even be able to overlook her past with the asylum application, but when you lie to investigators about what you did immediately after the alleged rape, that really does it for me.

I don't know whether a rape happened or not, but if she's not credible (and it has nothing to do with an expensive defense team), then the prosecution isn't going to win the case.

And as far as travesties of justice go, maybe we should stop treating defendants like they're guilty until they actually are guilty. That applies to the DA, the media, etc.

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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:58 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
And as far as travesties of justice go, maybe we should stop treating defendants like they're guilty until they actually are guilty. That applies to the DA, the media, etc.

Hearty seconding of that. And especially for cases that are clearly from the get go of the "She said" "He said" variety which is going to be the case for most rapes, unless there were witnesses or cameras or the "he" confesses.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:40 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 28):

OzGlobal, did you not see the   at the end of the post? While I was being sarcastic, it is, unfortunately, not far from the truth.
 
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:51 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 37):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 28):

OzGlobal, did you not see the at the end of the post? While I was being sarcastic, it is, unfortunately, not far from the truth.

I think that was your problem comorin, too realistic. You need to go a bit more over the top to be safe, if that is not too Irish! I had to read it twice to be sure.

Still makes a change for pastiche from the US not to be recognised outside the US!! You have to admit we have an excuse to be confused when we read (not a joke) of the proportion of Americans who seem to think that a debt default will be good for all our souls - or should that be soles?
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:03 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 29):
I disagree,

Is there a senior person in the DA's office married to one of the defense lawyers? The #3 person - which is somewhat senior? Has she recused herself? Reasonable questions that should concern any reasonable person. Maybe that gal is going to pull a Clarence Thomas.  Wow!

Was there DNA evidence? I don't think there is any doubt on that, or that there was as sexual act that "left" the DNA. At the very best you have a situation where the guy had sex with a hotel maid - and now the world knows that. Say picture of the dud leaving the court yesterday with his very lovely wife. Don't you know she was delighted to have to stand with the miserable POS of a husband with everyone knowing he was shagging a hotel maid - with or without consent.
 
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:44 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 37):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 28):

OzGlobal, did you not see the   at the end of the post? While I was being sarcastic, it is, unfortunately, not far from the truth.

Yes, I did and I rightly judged as you now confirm, that you were only 'half-joking'. My comments should be takend then as addressed to your serious half  
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:08 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 38):
Still makes a change for pastiche from the US not to be recognised outside the US!! You have to admit we have an excuse to be confused when we read (not a joke) of the proportion of Americans who seem to think that a debt default will be good for all our souls - or should that be soles?
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 40):
Yes, I did and I rightly judged as you now confirm, that you were only 'half-joking'. My comments should be takend then as addressed to your serious half

The American middle class is under severe economic stress after many decades and that brings out fear. They have no idea what caused it, except that the rich got bailed out and are now hugely rich. All that anger is now guided at the usual suspects.

Defaulting on US debt is a very bad idea, and makes no sense since the debt is denominated in USD. Economics is a very difficult subject to master, but it seems that everybody and his uncle here is an economist.

More later...heading out to brunch...
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:11 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):
Don't you know she was delighted to have to stand with the miserable POS of a husband with everyone knowing he was shagging a hotel maid - with or without consent.

Maybe she was delighted that her husband wasn't in house arrest anymore. Neither you nor I have any idea what she's thinking.

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Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:24 pm

According to an article I read in today's St. Louis Post Dispatch the woman lied on her form for political asylum, lied about her income to get federal housing, and then used a neighbor's child as a dependant to get a a larger tax return ( a scam that is growing in popularity). She was recorded on a jail house phone talking with a man, who is in there for possession of 400 pounds of marijuana, about the benefits of pursuing charges. She is obviously a scammer and leach on society. She needs to be forcibly removed from my country. We can't afford to fund public schools properly but we can continue to let bums like her bleed the nation dry.
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:51 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):
Don't you know she was delighted to have to stand with the miserable POS of a husband with everyone knowing he was shagging a hotel maid - with or without consent.

It's simply none of your business. Whatever arrangements they have within their marriage is their private decision.
 
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:12 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):
Was there DNA evidence? I don't think there is any doubt on that, or that there was as sexual act that "left" the DNA. At the very best you have a situation where the guy had sex with a hotel maid - and now the world knows that. Say picture of the dud leaving the court yesterday with his very lovely wife. Don't you know she was delighted to have to stand with the miserable POS of a husband with everyone knowing he was shagging a hotel maid - with or without consent.

We French have a more relaxed view on sexual matters than in the US, which frankly isn't difficult. We still don't really know what happened, now the NY Post (I know, I know) is claiming the maid was a hooker on the side.

I have difficulties understanding when wives of US politicians who "lapsed" stay with them, especially when they're conservatives hypocrites caught sleeping with guys and things like that, because it flies in the face of common sense there. On the other hand DSK isn't an hypocrite, he never claimed anything about sexuality or tried to impose by law any restriction to anybody's sexuality, and frankly, we don't care about what he does at night. As for his wife, they married in their forties, both divorced with children at the time, and don't have children together, so for all we know their relationship isn't sexual in nature. I know, shocking.
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):

Is there a senior person in the DA's office married to one of the defense lawyers?

Totally unimportant at this or any previous stage in this case.
You can also raise the resignation of the NY sex crime unit chief (also in charge of DSK's case), and you will still be alone.
Was there a trial ? does it change something ?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):
Was there DNA evidence?

How could "traces" of someone on the collar of someone else be proof of rape or attempt to ?  
Quoting Baroque (Reply 34):
A PS to Aloges, how did you find it?

Give us your secret !
 
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:56 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 39):
At the very best you have a situation where the guy had sex with a hotel maid - and now the world knows that.

Which is not a crime, and therefore none of the DA´s business (nor ours).

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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:25 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 46):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 34):
A PS to Aloges, how did you find it?

Give us your secret !

While I am not Aloges, it is actually quite simple. Enter
Strauss-Kahn IMF leader site:airliners.net
into Google's search field and you are done. site:airliners.net limits Google's search to this site.
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RE: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case Takes A New Twist

Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:32 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 48):
it is actually quite simple.

A collective thank you from the few remaining representatives of the crystal detection era.

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