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Tour De France 2011

Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:07 pm

Wow,

a female spectator in a yellow jersey (the irony) causes havoc!!

Alberto Contador lost 01:20………..that hurts!!!!!
Him not waiting for Andy last year, came back to bite him in the bud…………

Interesting times ahead these next 3 weeks!!
Tomorrow the team time trial!!


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RE: Tour De France 2011

Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:38 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Thread starter):
Alberto Contador lost 01:20………..that hurts!!!!!

He got delayed by a fall in the peloton. Starting the Tour with 1:20 delay is not really something you need to win the Tour   

But there are still three weeks of race, so I'm confident he can catch up.
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RE: Tour De France 2011

Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Ah, the rolling pharmacy. I can't help it but watch.
 
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RE: Tour De France 2011

Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:15 pm

I watched it in 2007 but I can't help but wonder how many of the guys doing it are using some sort of drug to try and help them win. They're fit as they can possibly be, but I can't help but think that it's almost a doctored result because of the amount of riders "claimed" to be on some sort of drug.

That said, It is a big event and I hope everybody completes it without injury.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:16 pm

Personally I hope he'll soon withdraw for any reason, we don't need another travesty. Andy is in the same group so no time difference there.
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:44 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 3):
but wonder how many of the guys doing it are using some sort of drug to try and help them win.

They are not superhuman, who could spend thousands of calories daily and be fit for weeks ?
All are on something, no exception, but there are three sorts of something, the authorized/legal, the unauthorized/illegal, the unknown(obviously without status).

Some athletes have been and most probably still are volunteer guinea pigs for specialized research in performance-enhancing processes and substances.
 
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RE: Tour De France 2011

Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 1):
He got delayed by a fall in the peloton.

Yep, caused by female spectator in………guess what…….a yellow jersey!!


Well well, second day--> and Contador loses more time to the Schleck brothers, Evans and Gesink!!!
Not really his fault perhaps, it was the team trial after all.

The mountains will tell…………but this is NOT a good start for Conti!


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Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:47 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 3):

I watched it in 2007 but I can't help but wonder how many of the guys doing it are using some sort of drug to try and help them win.

I love the Tour de France, and cycling in general.

I just watch it with the thought that all riders are using some kind of drug, so there basically isn't any difference. It makes watching more interesting.
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Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:08 pm

A book very recently published and likely to make some waves and especially break some myths:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tour-France-...nqueurs-dopage-entre/dp/275560784X

A detailed specialists' analysis of the last thirty three TDF winners and the advancement in biological research since 1947.
 
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Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:14 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 5):
Some athletes have been and most probably still are volunteer guinea pigs for specialized research in performance-enhancing processes and substances.

Which works for every sport out there.

Regulation catches up with innovation so legal today will be illegal next year.

The first ever marathon winner received two shots of strycnin (and a cup of brandy) during the race. In the 20s, cyclists and runners used cocaine. Amphetamines were the norm starting from the 30s (up to that famous Everton league title in 62), etc. etc.

In pro sports, there's money and glory involved so everyone will generally to anything within the rules to get an edge. Sometimes outside the rules as well if they think there's a chance they will not get caught.
 
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Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:38 am

'll be watching the tour as much as I can and I always look forward to the mountains. That's where the differences get made and it's by far the most interesting part of the Tour.

As a Dutchman, I will of course be rooting for the Rabobank team.
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Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:26 pm

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The first ever marathon winner received two shots of strycnin (and a cup of brandy) during the race.

I always thought Spyridon Louis flew with the assistance of the Greek Gods. Was I wrong ?
 
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Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:31 pm

Simply unbelievable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j45QKl_Bsrg

I hope they sue this individual……….


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Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 12):
I hope they sue this individual……….

If you watch the video carefully, you'll see a tree on the driver's left that is much closer than the other trees, and it has a mound of raised earth/grass around the base. The care HAD to swerve to miss this or the car would have been launched into the air and into the cyclists. Sure it's sad to see but on those super narrow roads that is one of the dangers of mixing team cars and cyclists. But to talk of lawsuits is stupid.
 
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Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:33 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):

The car has been expelled from the tour for not following the instructions of the race director.
 
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Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:42 pm

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The car has been expelled from the tour for not following the instructions of the race director

Thank goodness he messed up about 5 racers. He should be charged with reckless driving. Idiot.
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Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):

If you watch the video carefully, you'll see a tree on the driver's left that is much closer than the other trees, and it has a mound of raised earth/grass around the base. The care HAD to swerve to miss this or the car would have been launched into the air and into the cyclists. Sure it's sad to see but on those super narrow roads that is one of the dangers of mixing team cars and cyclists. But to talk of lawsuits is stupid.

or, you know, brakes.
 
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RE: Tour De France 2011

Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:32 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):
If you watch the video carefully

I did, but did you?

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):
But to talk of lawsuits is stupid.

Talking about lawsuits is stupid?

Try this for stupid:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):
The car HAD to swerve to miss this or the car would have been launched into the air and into the cyclists.

Why was he there in the 1st place!?? The tour direction told him to move before that!
Or maybe he could have braked!!!??? If you say that was his only option, and then call ME stupid………quite a nerve.

If you drive recklessly and cause injury to others there is always a chance of a lawsuit!………it depends whether Vacansoleil sues or not!!
And you know what, I´m not even the only one that thinks like that:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 15):
He should be charged with reckless driving.
Quoting bill142 (Reply 14):
The car has been expelled from the tour for not following the instructions of the race director.

At least he will never drive in the Tour again, which is obvious but neither will that car……….who is liable for all the damages to his company?


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Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:13 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 13):
If you watch the video carefully, you'll see a tree on the driver's left that is much closer than the other trees, and it has a mound of raised earth/grass around the base. The care HAD to swerve to miss this or the car would have been launched into the air and into the cyclists. Sure it's sad to see but on those super narrow roads that is one of the dangers of mixing team cars and cyclists

The car should not have been here in the first place. They've deliberately ignored an order from the direction. It's true that the car was about to hit the tree, but it should not have been here in the first place. They've been excluded rightly.

Here's the picture of Hoogerland's injuries:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...428.120384594717492&type=1&theater

33 stitches!

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Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:31 pm

It's not a team car (which sometimes scare me too) but a support car for France Télévisions, the French public broadcaster. The French commentators from France 2 did not highlight that too much after the accident, strangely... They were harsher with the motorbike that hit a rider and left him without a bike the other day.
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Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:51 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 12):
Simply unbelievable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j45QK..._Bsrg

The driver was a woman! Surprising, in such a male sport!!

And she still hasn´t apologized to any of the 2 riders!!


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Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 17):
At least he will never drive in the Tour again, which is obvious but neither will that car……….who is liable for all the damages to his company?

Probably no one. The broadcaster might get hit with a fine by the organisers but I doubt there would be any court action over this. There would be a certain degree of risk accepted by the riders and the teams of a collision with a car, and while the race organisers would do everything within their power to reduce that risk, the risk of it occuring can't be eliminated completely as long as you have media and support vehicles in the tour. And lets face it, no one is going to get rid of their support vehicles.

Unless there is overwhelming evidence that the driver of the car was being intentionally negligent, then I doubt much more will come of it. But authorities in France might see it differently.
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:34 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 21):
There would be a certain degree of risk accepted by the riders and the teams of a collision with a car

True, 130 cars, 70 motorbikes and 200 riders is quite a fleet.

Put in the occasional narrow roads, poor weather at times, unruly or distracted spectators, public roads "natural" obstacles, race circumstances, the often present half-a-second distraction, and accidents are simply part of the Tour.

The media makes it look like this year is particularly bad.
I don't think so, what could be out of the ordinary however is that big names have fallen early in the race.

Accidents between cars or cars and motorbikes are a very common occurence.

Sidenote: Cavendish was beaten by the gorilla of Rostock. Well done !
 
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Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:17 pm

Yeah, it was good to see Cavendish beaten fairly, without all his team to bring him almost to the line !
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Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:23 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 22):

In addition to what I said earlier, I've just read in the paper that the tour has it's own traffic law. Drivers are regularly breath tested and drivers that break the tour rules must face a disciplinary committee. And apparently there are more incidents than what are reported in the media (I suspect minor things like not warning riders properly)
 
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RE: Tour De France 2011

Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:13 am

Serious things are about to start.
The ranking so far leaves most theoritical contenders within close range, except Contador though he is not that far.

Who do you see on the podium at the conclusion ?

Evans
F Schleck at 2"
A Schleck at 11"
T Martin at 12"
P Velits same
A Klöden at 17"
I Basso at 1' 10"
D Cunego at 1' 11"
R Gesink at 1' 35"
A Contador at 1' 41"

To me it looks like a Schlecks/Leopard vs Evans/BMC battle, one of the Luxemburgers taking the yellow home.
 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:15 am

They'll all wait and wait and wait until the last mountain, then they'll be caught in a big fall in front of them caused by Andy's front wheel breaking, lose lots of time, and Thomas Voeckler wins !

 
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Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:53 am

   I am 100% behind a spirited fighter like Voeckler, without guys like him and Gilbert, Hoogeland, Vinokourov, the TdF would be a soporific exercise but, as you said, the last mountain.

But realistically, Voeckler in yellow for the moment is perfect for the main contenders.
We will see tomorrow if a big name dares an attack, but it is doubtful at this early stage, except perhaps Contador to make good a few seconds.
 
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:16 pm

I was wrong, Contador could not or did not switch his booster pump today, the Schleck gang had him cornered in.
I still think it is too early for Contador to burn all his candles, his team is not that strong and he might well play it cautious until the last two mountain stages.
 
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Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:01 pm

Contador himself doesn't seem to strong, maybe he has not fully recovered from the Giro. I wish the others would just attack and let him far behind, if he's back in form in the Alps they'll regret having waited.
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Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 29):
Contador himself doesn't seem to strong, maybe he has not fully recovered from the Giro. I wish the others would just attack and let him far behind, if he's back in form in the Alps they'll regret having waited.

Agree!!

They are waiting, waiting, waiting…………..if this keeps going this way, I can see 2 guys laughing in Paris:

Cadel Evans, or Voeckler!!!


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Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:19 pm

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 30):
Voeckler!!!

Mmmmh, I would like to share your optimism about Voeckler but I don't know if he has enough energy left for the Alps. He repeatedly said that he will not win the Tour. I don't know if he is being realistic or if it is to evacuate the pressure, but I think that he will struggle in the Alps.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 29):
Contador himself doesn't seem to strong, maybe he has not fully recovered from the Giro. I wish the others would just attack and let him far behind, if he's back in form in the Alps they'll regret having waited.

Contador seems completely off the pace this year. I can't see him doing anything in the Alps. The Giro exhausted him alright, but he's got his knee problem as well.
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:58 pm

Contador declared that he is not going to win the Tour this year:

http://www.marca.com/2011/07/21/ciclismo/tour_francia/1311264314.html (in Spanish).

After seeing him not able to keep the pace in the last kilometers of the stage today, I surely believe him. The Tour will problably be decided between the Schleck brothers (most likely Andy), Cadel Evans and Thomas Voeckler. Andy will be strong in the last mountain stage tomorrow while Evans has a chance to catch up on the time trial this Saturday.

As for Voeckler, I keep on doubting him, but each time he is proving me wrong. The problem is that he is not as "fresh" as Andy Schleck, so tomorrow might be difficult for him and he is not really good with time trial so he can lose even more time there. Will he prove me wrong again?

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Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:27 pm

Cadel Evans wins the Tour de France! First Australian ever to win it. Congratulations, that was really well played!

Andy is second... again. Hopefully he won't be the next Poulidor of the Tour.
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 33):

that was a really big ride by Cadel to come 2nd on the stage and take the tour overall. Excellent work and finally an Australian has won the grandest of grand tours.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:03 am

Lots of half-asleep people walking around Melbourne today, started watching the final stage myself, fell asleep someting during the third lap of the Champs. Woke up again to see Cadel take to the stage & hear the Australian anthem sung by Tina Arena at round 2AM. Tina allegidely only asked the organisers on the morning if she could sing the anthem, good publicity move for a possible move back home, me thinks....

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RE: Tour De France 2011

Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:37 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 27):
I am 100% behind a spirited fighter like Voeckler

Voeckler's been one of my favorite riders since he first wore the maillot jaune in '04. I was sad to see him fall off the pace at Alpe d'Huez'. But, it was nice to see him using the crowd to fight his way to finish the stage and eventually a 4th place finish.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 33):
Cadel Evans wins the Tour de France! First Australian ever to win it. Congratulations, that was really well played!

Absolutely. He ran a great race and put in one of the great individual TT performances in recent Tour history. I was sad to see team Andy/Frank lose out again, but they didn't deserve it any more than Cadel did. And, a great job by the American Tom Danielson to break into the top 10 in the GC.
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