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A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:55 am

Over the past two years or so, there has been a lot of investigation - criminal and parliamentary - into allegations that tabloid journalists (mostly from the News of the World, part of the Murdoch group) have hacked into the mobile phones of celebrities and reading their texts. Underhanded and clearly an invasion of privacy; many have sued successfully.

However, it's now being reported that something much worse happened. It's being alleged that the mobile phone of Millie Dowler was hacked after she disappeared. Millie Dowler was murdered and her killer has only been sentenced to life imprisonment within the past two weeks or so. The allegation is that this investigator hacked into her mobile phone and DELETED some of her messages, making room for new ones, giving the family the impression that she may still be alive - at a time when they must have been beside themselves with anxiety, worry and grief.

It's hard to imagine that someone would do something like this. The British popular press has done many horrible, dishonourable and nasty things over the years, but if this is proven, it will be a new low. It beggars belief that anyone could have acted in such an insensitive manner.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-World-private-investigators.html
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:39 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
It beggars belief that anyone could have acted in such an insensitive manner.

It does indeed. Where does that trail end?

Last week the Aus government seemed to stop a tender for overseas broadcasting that appeared to have been won or to be about to be won by Sky News.

There is a known dislike between the government and Sky, but that is longstanding. So why the move late last week? Is it possible that they got preliminary news of this and where it might lead? Some reports here have been saying that the political and police connections of NoW will receive a bit more attention in the UK. Which you would think was long overdue.

I guess if that is the case, Gillard might not want our official overseas broadcasting to be associated with this sort of performance.

Murdoch seems to have been able to wriggle out of it via loads of cash so far, but this might go a bit beyond cash might it not?
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:51 am

Nothing that Murdoch's rags does shocks me.
News Of The World does however usually plumb new depths first.

Often read by those to react to their sensationalism on crime stories with the desired 'hang 'em and flog 'em' reactions.
(You would not know reading any of them that crime has been falling for years, that average sentences for serious crimes like murder are much longer than in the past).

Of even greater concern is that collusion - over decades - of police officers feeding tabloids information on cases.
IMHO this should be punished with dismissal and loss of pension rights, it's a massive breach of trust.

This whole sordid mess had from the start Murdoch's minions claiming it's a 'one off' or 'isolated' then 'a few bad apples'.
With the Met Police it seems being less than vigorous in pursuing the escalating scandal until the pressure became too much.
Then we have the issue of politicians being scared of Murdoch. Bullies only react to weakness with worse surely?

Away from this case, we have tabloid papers - not just Murdoch's - under investigation for contempt of court. A murder case involving multiple killer Levi Bellfield had to dropped also.
The solution here is obvious. If found guilty either impose a fine so heavy it threatens the commercial viability of the paper or more realistically, lock up editors of papers found to have been in contempt of court.

They have too much power but with no sense of responsibility.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:10 am

If it is true that an employee ( journalist is too decent a word to describe such a person) actually hacked into and deleted messages they should be charged with tampering with evidence and perverting the course of justice. If that person's employer knew and/ or condoned that behaviour s/he too should be similarly charged.

It is disgraceful that these people seek to profit from other people's anguish to the extent of hindering an investigation by the police. It clearly shows that these people have no concept of ethical behaviour. But why does that surprise no-one?
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:52 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Then we have the issue of politicians being scared of Murdoch.

I have to ask, scared or paid? Just on average, could be some of each.

If there was not a sinister side to that, why ever would the police be so lackadaisical?

The bad apple theory is about as valid as it was at Abu Graib. Anyway, ever seen what happens to a pile of apples if one goes bad? One of the most stupid phrases I have ever met!
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:31 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
Then we have the issue of politicians being scared of Murdoch.

I have to ask, scared or paid? Just on average, could be some of each.

I remember having heard Murdoch being quote (was it back during the first election campaign of Blair?) that he doesn´t care who is British PM UNDER HIM.
With his press empire he can make or break politicians.

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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:39 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
With his press empire he can make or break politicians.

As he does, to a certain degree, in the US with Fox News.
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:52 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 4):
The bad apple theory is about as valid as it was at Abu Graib. Anyway, ever seen what happens to a pile of apples if one goes bad? One of the most stupid phrases I have ever met!

100 points for the gentleman over there!   

It's a phrase with its own built-in irony out of the box...!
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:01 pm

It should be pointed out that the "journalist" illegally accessed the voicemails, not texts, of Millie and the other victims. This was by using the remote voicemail access and trying the default password - so not hacking, per se.

Still, this does not excuse the actions, and the editors who allowed this to happen under them - they should be sacked at the very least, and prosecuted for perverting the course of justice and obstructing an investigation ("deleting" possible evidence).

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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:41 pm

The best way to pressure our leaders on this, is make clear, all the time, that the odious Ms Wade spent a portion of Christmas Day at Mr Cameron's house, that they go horse riding together, that she and the equally repellent James Murdoch has had meeting with the Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt, without Civil Servants being present .

Many people shrugged and saw the hacking scandal as being about celebs, (though members of the Royal Family, MP's and Ministers also were victims).
The sordid and murder investigation disrupting Dowler case however changes all of this in the minds of many.

Still, if you are appalled, don't buy his rags, don't have Sky TV.
This is also a test for the British public too.

The poisonous Ms Wade has been very keen to run tabloid campaigns for people in public life to resign after a scandal, even if they claimed to have no knowledge of it. So, why hasn't she gone. Same defence after all.

When the Sun reported, completely falsely, that Liverpool Football Fans pissed on, robbed bodies of fellow fans who had just been crushed to death in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, the circulation of that 'paper' has never recovered in that city.
Though I bet many of the boy-cotters have Sky.

This scandal just gets bigger and bigger, it took 6 months for Cameron to be pushed into 'letting go' Andy Coulson, his press secretary, who was Editor of News Of The World at the time of the other hacking scandals.
Since then more has emerged, it's said also that there might be other revelations 'even worse than the Dowler case'.
The mind boggles.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:49 pm

It's time that this particular newspaper is shutdown, and some very stringent operating guidelines are placed on publications from the parent company. One more strike, and they are out - banned from publication.

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
This is also a test for the British public too.

For many, it doesn't directly affect them - so they don't care.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:16 am

There are new allegations that some of these jerks at NOTW and minions to Murdoch also hacked into the cell/mobile phones of persons or their families who were victims of the 7/7 London terror bombings.

Here in the USA, any such acts of hacking into anyone's computer, cellphone, etc would mean a harsh criminal prosecution on privacy law violations as well as subject to civil damages, especially if it interferes with a police investigation.

I am not sure how it works as to freedom of the press (media) in the UK, but unlike the USA, they do have some powers to restrain or punish them, especially if they violate strict rules as to covering the Royal Family, also involved in these alleged phone scandals.

The best course of action would be people stop buying Murdoch's newspapers, put pressure on major advertisers to stop supporting them, and basically starve them of money to kill them off. I also think the UK government should deny at this time the merger of BSkyB with a competitor dish TV system.

Oh, here in the USA, the NY Post, another rag of Murdoch, is being sued for liable and slander by the maid in the DSK rape allegation case as the Post headlined that she was a hooker, etc. She is bringing her case in Bronx County, NY City, in state court, one very friendly to Plaintiffs going after deep pocket companies, the government, hospitals, etc, so I suspect she will have a good shot of getting a big judgment or at least make the Post's attorneys and executive sweat.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:52 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
Here in the USA, any such acts of hacking into anyone's computer, cellphone, etc would mean a harsh criminal prosecution on privacy law violations as well as subject to civil damages, especially if it interferes with a police investigation.

Nothing much will be done about it, as the boss of the company is very powerful and his media outlets can topple governments/companies that disagree with him. That's why nothing can be done about this, unless consumers stop buying newspapers or watching their TV broadcasts.

But that won't happen either, because the Mr Joe Public doesn't care about this until his phone is the one that is hacked.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:33 am

So far, we have heard allegations that, in addition to Millie Dowler's phone being accessed (and messages tampered with), the phones of the Soham victims (two young pre-teen girls) AND the families of victims of the 7/7 bombings were accessed. This raises a question over how many people were doing this. I doubt if these revelations will be the last to come out; the NOTW will probably try and say that it was all the work of one or two rogue journalists, but the extent of the practice seems to suggest that it was widely done and over a long period.

It also raises the questions of editorial control, because any information obtained as a result of this practice SHOULD have been questioned, the editor's job being to ask "how can you know this?" or "when/how did you get this information?" Obviously we don't know exactly what goes on in the NOTW offices, but we do know that one doesn't become a senior journalist in a British tabloid newspaper (particularly this one) by being naive and innocent. Someone at a senior level MUST have known about this practice and any investigation MUST NOT rest at simply finding and jailing scapegoats.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:14 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
Still, if you are appalled, don't buy his rags, don't have Sky TV.

As I have not been buying The Australian since 11 November 1975, and I fall over myself when in the UK to avoid the DDs publications, do I qualify for a suitable medal? The DWTDD award perhaps. Down with the Dirty Digger.

Quoting cpd (Reply 10):
It's time that this particular newspaper is shutdown, and some very stringent operating guidelines are placed on publications from the parent company. One more strike, and they are out - banned from publication.

Generous to a fault, why the one more strike. Their efforts justify your remedy now. Or at the least fine the buggers out of existence.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
So far, we have heard allegations that, in addition to Millie Dowler's phone being accessed (and messages tampered with), the phones of the Soham victims (two young pre-teen girls) AND the families of victims of the 7/7 bombings were accessed. This raises a question over how many people were doing this.

Fair point, he would have to be a busy little beaver to get around all those phones by himself. Wonder if the "service" was outsourced to India. Not beyond the bounds of possibility is it.

But what about paying the police? I mean this is the most astonishing bit. Do the police have a record of agreed payments, did it go through whoever it is ???Comptroller and Auditor General??? It is like our police gloating over pinging the folk at Securrency for bribing Indonesian officials while they themselves are working there and there is no way that the Indonesian police will not be demanding off the books payments.

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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:29 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
But what about paying the police? I mean this is the most astonishing bit. Do the police have a record of agreed payments, did it go through whoever it is ???Comptroller and Auditor General???

I think it's just a case of a badly written article (if you're referring to the BBC one?).

New allegations have emerged of payments to the police as the row around the News of the World escalates.

The paper's owners have passed to the police e-mails which appear to show that payments were authorised by the then editor, Andy Coulson.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14040841

It's not exactly clear who the payments were made to. Were they made to the victims to hush things up? I don't know.
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:51 am

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 15):
I think it's just a case of a badly written article (if you're referring to the BBC one?).

New allegations have emerged of payments to the police as the row around the News of the World escalates.

Ah, you may be correct. Hope so. Otherwise!!!! But it is the "otherwise" that is being picked up by other news outlets.

It is all so strange, that paying off the police seems possible. At least it would explain why the said police were so slow to pursue the complaints, but I hope you are right and it was sloppy writing. Time for Arrow to assist them I think.

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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:04 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
The best course of action would be people stop buying Murdoch's newspapers, put pressure on major advertisers to stop supporting them, and basically starve them of money to kill them off. I also think the UK government should deny at this time the merger of BSkyB with a competitor dish TV system.

What about using some oldfashioned anti-trust laws to break up this concentration of media power? You can see with Berlusconi´s Italy what can happen if one person controls 80% of a nation´s media.

Quoting cpd (Reply 12):
Nothing much will be done about it, as the boss of the company is very powerful and his media outlets can topple governments/companies that disagree with him. That's why nothing can be done about this, unless consumers stop buying newspapers or watching their TV broadcasts.

I remember how PM Major was dropped by Murdoch´s empire and how this helped Blair to win the election.
Here in Germany we have the Axel Springer publishing group, which owns several newspapers (among them "Bild", the german equivalent of the "Sun"), but AFAIK there exists a media watchdog to prevent one person or company from getting too much power.

AFAIK the EU parliament tried to introduce such measures, one reason why Murdoch is so rabidly anti-EU.

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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:02 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
The best way to pressure our leaders on this, is make clear, all the time, that the odious Ms Wade spent a portion of Christmas Day at Mr Cameron's house, that they go horse riding together, that she and the equally repellent James Murdoch has had meeting with the Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt, without Civil Servants being present .

This is where it all goes wrong.

Trying to politicise this, and make it appear that, in some way, Cameron and the conservatives are linked to, or behind this appalling behaviour takes it all a step too far.

All politiicans want to cosy up to editors of news papers, on the left on the right, and in the centre. In the last labout governement I recall there were all kinds of events and parties laid on by Mr Murdoch around the world where labours spin doctors and MP's attended.

The fact that Mr Cameron and Mr Hunt are doing the same, is no different, and a distraction to the story at hand.

This does need a public enquiry, and a boycott of NOTW by the public would be a good way for the public to voice their disaproval.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:20 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
What about using some oldfashioned anti-trust laws to break up this concentration of media power? You can see with Berlusconi´s Italy what can happen if one person controls 80% of a nation´s media.

Well, the opposite is happening. Cameron just said today that they'll allow the takeover of BSkyB by Murdoch. Which is hardly surprising considering how Murdoch's papers campaigned for him:
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:25 pm

Some companies appear to be distancing themselves from NOWT in the wake of growing anger. I say appear because some of those approached used the term "reviewing" rather than placing advertising elsewhere. Let us hope that more companies do likewise as that is the only advertising revenue that allows the gutter press exert influence and show contempt for decent people.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:27 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 15):
I think it's just a case of a badly written article (if you're referring to the BBC one?).

New allegations have emerged of payments to the police as the row around the News of the World escalates.

Ah, you may be correct. Hope so. Otherwise!!!! But it is the "otherwise" that is being picked up by other news outlets.

I withdrew a bit too quickly. In an earlier HoC enquiry the NOWT woman admitted paying the police for information in relation to criminal investigations. Now emails reveal the same. The policeman in charge of the investigation at that time now works as a columnist for News Ltd.

And Prescott has just been on Lateline with a long interview in which he spills all this and more. It seems he may be taking legal action partly with a view to laying bare who did what and who knew but without agreeing to the concealment clauses for being paid off by News Ltd.

This is just the link piece,
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3263026.htm

So in summary, the News organization has made widespread and illegal intercepts of private phones, celebrities, Royals and pollies and now victims and relatives of victims of crimes. It also appears there was a system of paying police service/individual policemen (not clear which or both perhaps). It seems clear now that the police cannot be used to investigate the matter.

Meanwhile some advertisers are withdrawing copy from NOWT, but not clear yet that they are boycotting News Ltd. Moves to stop the purchase of the remaining part of BSkyB on the grounds of association with illegal activities.

And a hint from Prescott that Australia (and presumably the US too) might want to see if similar goings on have gone on in Australia.

The Prescott interview link is up and there will be a transcript of this link in about 4 or 5 hours.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3263034.htm

Covers a lot of the ground in this thread. The interview runs for about 17 minutes. And yes you can view it if you do not live in Australia - message to BBC!!!!

Bob Brown's ears will have been flapping - with joy.
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:25 pm

The transcript is now up at
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3263034.htm
A couple of the more startling bits.
TONY JONES: What impact could the public revulsion over the Milly Dowler phone hacking scandal and everything that's flowing from it have on Rupert Murdoch's plans to extend his media empire in Britain?

JOHN PRESCOTT: Well, to my mind, he's not a fit and proper person to be able to extend his media to take over BSkyB.

Just like that.
JOHN PRESCOTT: Hang on. Well, that's not Rupert Murdoch, is it?

But, look, he's publicly apologised and has been paying out an awful lot of money to actually deal with civil cases.

And if we give you one example: he's admitted criminal acts with the latest settlement with Sienna Miller, one of our celebrities here, and she got a settlement, but in the settlement in the court the Murdoch press said, "We won't tell you everything in this civil case what we've done, but we'll tell you privately."

They are desperate to see what they've done doesn't come out into open court, and that's why I've been taking an action against the police to examine exactly what was going on and this close relationship between the police, who they've now admitted they've been paying.

If this is coming over on our TV the UK Teev must be running hot????
The one appearance she did do, she admitted to paying the police. Now all the emails are coming out apparently and showing just how much who was paid with the police and paid by Murdoch press.
That seems to indicate the Emails show who and how much.
TONY JONES: Only 24 hours ago, News International handed over to police investigators details of payments made by the News of the World to senior police officers. Now, could all of those payments be construed as corrupt?

JOHN PRESCOTT: Well how is it only just comes out now? I mean, they've been saying since January, and Mr Murdoch when he made his public apology, they'd been lying up to that, but when he made his public apology saying, "My people have been doing this. We're going to work fully with the police and provide them with all the information."

All of a sudden they've now come up, we've got clear criminal offences of an admittance to paying the police. No doubt the names of the police are on there and the people who gave it. And it's suggested in our press today that Rebekah Wade was involved in that.

These are criminal acts.


I will nearly leave it on that note. One would assume a great deal of time would be needed to explain how paying the police was a normal course of events, if not criminal as Prescott stated. But I do have to add the last line:
JOHN PRESCOTT: Watch him in Australia as well.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 18):
Trying to politicise this, and make it appear that, in some way, Cameron and the conservatives are linked to, or behind this appalling behaviour takes it all a step too far.

I doubt many, if any, say they are behind this stuff, linked to it? Oh yes.

They are not the first government to be unduly pressured by Murdoch, however the links the current lot have are closer than before. A lot closer.
Cameron and co just wanted this to go away. It was a huge error of judgement to ever employ Coulson (who Murdoch and his minions are now hanging out to dry) at No.10

It's not gone away due to not only this horrific escalation in the victims, but also due some dogged proper journalism - in the best Woodward & Bernstein tradition - and a few MP who unlike others (who have privately admitted their fear of Murdoch) who just have not bowed down.

This is criminality pure and simple, worse it could raise the prospect of convicted criminals raising appeals if such criminal acts were a part of the media 'coverage' of their trials.
(Not content with jeopardizing more recent trials, which the tabloids - not only Murdoch's - just keep on doing).

In any case, where did this race to the bottom in the UK press start? Who has lowered the bar - which commercially others think they have to follow - time and again?
Over a 40+ year period, it is, always has been, Murdoch.

I think a tipping point has been reached now, Cameron will have to act, which includes enacting whatever the public inquiry announced today recommends, strike some people off his Christmas dinner list, otherwise the splat of shit from Murdoch will settle on him.
People are just not going to forget the phone hacking of the tragic Milly Dowler, the Soham girl's families, the 7/7 families.
It's been a struggle to show people just how serious the abuses of the press, some police officers, the complicity of government actually is.
But now the victims are not just politicians, celebs, they are ordinary people who have suffered enough.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:52 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
And a hint from Prescott that Australia (and presumably the US too) might want to see if similar goings on have gone on in Australia

He didn't hold back in that interview, that's for certain.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:44 am

On a news program tonight (Keith Overmann's Countdown on Current) a guest on his show raised questions if any of Murdoch's median interests in the USA including the NY Post, Fox Network and Fox News, have done similar invasions of people's cell phones, texts and voice mails here in the USA. They would love to get some dirt on some Democrat, someone in a criminal matter like DSK or his maid accuser or personal secrets of a celebrity putting them or their family at risk. If they are, that could raise very serious criminal and civil liability charges under USA law with substantial problems for Murdoch to keep his businesses here or cause severe financial damage. I hope there are investigations of similar invasions of privacy here in the USA by Murdoch's media companies and if any found, he is screwed bigtime.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:37 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 24):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
And a hint from Prescott that Australia (and presumably the US too) might want to see if similar goings on have gone on in Australia

He didn't hold back in that interview, that's for certain.

Not that part specifically, but it appears - from the Guardian reports more than the BEEB because for some reason I cannot quite fathom the BEEB seems a bit restrained    - that quite a number of other pollies are saying much the same. Not quite sure how much of it is under privilege and how much on open air as was Prescott. That is possibly significant in that News has never felt shy about suing in the past. Maybe this time it has so much baggage that it might be restrained.

How does Cameron get out from under this cart load of about the most appalling **** that has been around for a while? How in heck do the police get out from under?

I am reminded that one Blair (the Sir Ian type, not the Tony type) was in charge of the Met at the time. And previously he was most infamous over the Menezes shooting but if his police were in the pay of News that should overshadow even that disaster. But how many police forces were in on the News cash cow? Some of those murders were well out of London. Cannot help but smile at part of his Wiki entry:
While serving as Deputy Commissioner, he gained a reputation for being a "thinking man's policeman".

I cannot help feeling that the Aus government action re the overseas broadcast contract was due to a tip off that this was coming. Hopefully our Government is not as ignorant of the world around it as sometimes seems. If it did know, oh to know WHAT it knew last week.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:16 pm

I guess this removes most of that particular bit of ambiguity:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...acking-bribes-five-police-officers
Investigators inside Scotland Yard are trying to identify up to five officers who were paid between them a total of at least £100,000 in cash from the News of the World, the Guardian understands.

Documents sent to the police by News International did not name those involved but contained pseudonyms which investigators within the Yard are trying to match with individual officers.

The revelation comes a day after Sir Paul Stephenson, commissioner of the Metropolitan police, said that the amounts involved had been paid to a small number of officers.


Hmm. And there is an "at least" in there. Astonishing. I suppose the old learner driver instruction about finding a gear - "they are all in the same box - means these ones will be more rather than less easy to find. Back to:
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Meanwhile advertisers are pulling out, but NOTW only so far apparently and News Ltd shares are well down in trading.

Rupert still tut tutting, while some are pointing out that criminal liability extends both to those who knew and those who ought to have known.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:02 pm

Dutch NOS news is reporting that NOTW will be closed. Sunday will be the last publication, it will have no advertisements. All proceeds for sunday's edition going to charity,
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:04 pm

"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:04 pm

Breaking on the BBC news site as well. Sunday will be the last issue and all proceeds going to Charity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14070733
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:12 pm

CNN is also saying it is shutting down.

Personally I believe that the Murdoch Family is quite willing to sacrifice the paper in order to continue their efforts for SKY.

But then I also believe it might be a wise move to isolate it from the Murdoch fortunes before the lawsuits strike.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 29):

About time its a newspaper read by idiots.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:54 pm

Just because the News of the World is being shut down doesn't mean anything has changed, it will probably just result in The Sun going 7 days a week and it's just been reported that thesunonsunday.com and thesunonsunday.co.uk were registered two days ago.

Rebekah Brooks is still in charge of News International which will be in charge of the Sun on Sunday, same paper and same dirty tactics but with a different name.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:08 pm

Quoting oa260 (Reply 32):
About time its a newspaper read by idiots.

I actually brought this paper now and then on a Sunday. It "was" the better of the Sunday papers that come out.
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:28 pm

I was watching the news break and was shocked (due to my political stance) at finding myself agree firstly with John Prescott and secondly with Ed/David Miliband (Seriously I can't remember which one). John Prescott certainly hit the nail on the head and I am extremely happy that there is someone in this country who is standing up to Murdoch and his companies.

The problem is that this latest development means absolutely sod all as News Intl will simply launch a new tabloid to replace the NoW. Sadly the majority of the current readership will move on to that paper as they either don't care or simply don't even realize it's the same parent company (in the same way that despite the Sun not being popular in Merseyside a lot of people have Sky TV).

Over the past week the Sun has been trying to distance itself from the News of the World (rather odd given NoW is considered the Sunday Sun), could that be because this has all been planned in advance and that by distancing themselves from this paper the Sun would become more appealing should it launch a Sunday issue. Given that (as has been pointed out) some domain names for the sun on Sunday have been reserved I'd say so.

One other thing which I am glad that has been pointed out by politicians, pundits and the media is that News Corp are still pushing to take over BskyB, by axing the News of the World they should just about slip under the threshold of what would constitute a media monopoly and thus be able to take over the company completely. The question is weather of not they will wait until after the deal has been cleared before launching a replacement paper.

It is rather sad though that the vast majority of staff that are being made redundant (or transferred) had absolutely nothing to do with the scandal and more-so when you consider that the parties responsible will get away with it.

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Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:31 pm

I can't wait for conservatives to complain about the liberal media.
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:49 pm

A diversionary move shutting down - or should that be hosing down - NOTW.

It makes little or no money, has become a dangerous liability for Murdoch. For all that, old Rupe is a newspaper man, hence his uncertainties with the web, he will not like shutting down a paper that helped establish him here, (says a lot about us?)

Plenty of villains, most still in denial of their culpability. A senior minister (Ken Clarke) was reportedly very unimpressed with the NOTW move.
Let's hope his attitude is typical of the Cabinet.
Heroes include Tom Clarke MP and the dogged proper journalism of Nick Davies.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:21 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 34):
I actually brought this paper now and then on a Sunday. It "was" the better of the Sunday papers that come out.

When we were growing up the Sun and News of the World wasnt allowed in the house. The Sunday Times was always a nice read especially the Travel section.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:47 am

While most of the NOTW's staff has been fired, the top editors and managers close to Murdoch are still on the payroll. If he really wanted to do the right thing, he should fire with no severance those top people who allowed this stuff to happen and turn them in to the police.

The main reason for the ditching off the cliff of the NOTW is to make it easier for Murdoch owned News Corp to buy out the rest of BSkyB. I hope the government sees through it and denies the deal.

I wish they had our concept of civil lawsuits in the UK and those who's phones were tapped could sue for huge damages for their invasion of privacy.
 
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Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:18 am

Some reports suggest that up to 4,000 people were affected, which has to mean that it was a fairly widespread practice - if confirmed.

It is also being reported this morning that Andy Coulson (its former editor - and David Cameron's communications chief) has been told that he'll be arrested. Three or four others will be arrested as well.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:47 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 40):
It is also being reported this morning that Andy Coulson (its former editor - and David Cameron's communications chief) has been told that he'll be arrested. Three or four others will be arrested as well.

Apparently Mr. Coulson is now in custody. I hope the others to be arrested include the woman who is/was the top boss at NOTW as well as some in Newscorp for their obscene invasions of privacy with unobtainable bail. Maybe even arrest Murdochs, both the father and son for their complicity as well. To me these people deserve to lose all their wealth and pay it to those who's privacy they invaded and reputations they ruined without legitimate proof.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:53 pm

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 35):
It is rather sad though that the vast majority of staff that are being made redundant (or transferred) had absolutely nothing to do with the scandal and more-so when you consider that the parties responsible will get away with it.

Alas you may be right, but they might just have gone a bit far this time. With Prescott on the correct warpath, someone is going to suffer damage.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 40):
Some reports suggest that up to 4,000 people were affected, which has to mean that it was a fairly widespread practice - if confirmed.

Hardly a bad apple effort more like a medium sized business, definitely not a cottage industry this hacking.

Cartoonists having a field day. Bell in the Guardian with a policeman pursuing an arrest gazing in a mirror. Moir in the SMH with a person on a ship who's face is hidden but it is clearly Murdoch trying to throw rubbish overboard but he is throwing it upwind. An excellent letter in the Sat edition of the SMH recalls the significance of the addition of Gotcha to the cartoon. Some of Bells other ones must have taken long and careful studies by the lawyers I would think. Any others that folk recommend finding?
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:12 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 42):
Some of Bells other ones must have taken long and careful studies by the lawyers I would think. Any others that folk recommend finding?

Bell's cartoons are works of art, (often a parody of famous artworks) certainly he does skate very close to the line, all the better for it.
(I've always thought a poor/lazy cartoon is one where the issue has to be storyboarded. Like The Sun always seemed to have a little bloke holding up a placard saying what it's meant to be about).
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 42):
Cartoonists having a field day. Bell in the Guardian with a policeman pursuing an arrest gazing in a mirror. Moir in the SMH with a person on a ship who's face is hidden but it is clearly Murdoch trying to throw rubbish overboard but he is throwing it upwind. An excellent letter in the Sat edition of the SMH recalls the significance of the addition of Gotcha to the cartoon. Some of Bells other ones must have taken long and careful studies by the lawyers I would think. Any others that folk recommend finding?

I'm looking forward to what Matt has to say; he'll have a series of very good ones ... although it's a pity he's on holiday at the moment.

I'm sure you'll get a slew of caption competitions, for example for the new Harry Potter movie, with the baddy looking particularly menacing: "Voldemort has just found out that the NOTW has hacked the voicemail messages from his ENT specialist".

Quoting GDB (Reply 43):
Like The Sun always seemed to have a little bloke holding up a placard saying what it's meant to be about

Yes, but in fairness, this is for Sun readers!
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:19 am

It was pointed out yesterday that the campaign, led by The Guardian to expose News International, might have done Cameron a favour.
Since last year, early this year, it succeeded in making Andy Coulson's position as the No.10 Downing Street Press Secretary untenable. Cameron very reluctantly had to let him go but did not regret in having given him a 'second chance'.

Imagine then the political fallout if Coulson had still been in place at No.10 when last week this scandal exploded with the most disgusting revelations, that caused the NOTW to be axed.
It might not have just been Coulson with the untenable position, but his boss also.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:26 am

It was still a dumb decision to have hired him; it was a lapse of judgment. Yes, of course, it's much better that he's not still in his role, but I feel that there are a lot more revelations - and still more arrests - to come; there is also the official public inquiry. Cameron will more than likely keep his job, but there is still potential for damage to be done.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:58 am

Cameron certainly ignored a lot of warnings about ever appointing Coulson, more when he went to Downing Street.

The plan was to do what far too many politicians had done for too long and kowtow to Murdoch, but take it to whole new levels, Coulson, his close friendship with Brooks, the covert meetings with N.I. executives, waving through the BskyB deal with that Murdoch patsy Jeremy Hunt.

Well now it's blown up in their faces, I hope 'Dave' is shitting himself, if the hints of even worse to come are true, he might have cause to.
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:52 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
The best course of action would be people stop buying Murdoch's newspapers, put pressure on major advertisers to stop supporting them, and basically starve them of money to kill them off.

One of the reasons listed for shutting down was the mass exodus of advertisers, now for the seedy side of the business, were their competitors involved in such actions, were they promised anything, was their collusion among them, or do we simply believe that those advertisers who before were so willing to spend money where the latest and dirtiest appeared first suddenly grew a consience?
 
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RE: A New Low For British Tabloid Journalism?

Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:32 pm

I have long suspected that many in news media are degenerate lowlifes and this does not surprise me at all. These so called news agencies are forced in create and invent stories to sell papers which attracts the advertisements where the profits are. The world does not always have news worthy of publishing or filling 24h news channels. News of the world is not the only one by any means, there bigger parasites than lawyers on society. Oh well. It won't change much in the long run.
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