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Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:21 am

Ouch!!!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...evered-penis-idUSTRE76B6TZ20110712

To make it worse she threw it in the trash disposal so no reattachement like Bobbitt. Poor guy. Once he ate that meal he was done for.

She told officers "He deserved it" Hmmmmm That can be argued I think!
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:32 am

Bet you she still gets the house in the divorce settlement.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:58 am

Quoting Homsar (Reply 1):
Bet you she still gets the house in the divorce settlement.

Hell hath no fury, like man with his penis cut off. She should forget the house, and run for her life.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:13 am

Quoting Homsar (Reply 1):
Bet you she still gets the house in the divorce settlement.

Unless this guy was abusive to her she will already have a place to live.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:38 am

No one deserves this treatment no matter how bad he treated her. I can't think of any circumstances to justify this action.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Unless this guy was abusive to her she will already have a place to live.

She'll be living in a tax payer supported prison for a number of years.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:46 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
She'll be living in a tax payer supported prison for a number of years.

Unless like Lorena the jury let her off, that women should have done time, no way was she insane.
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:10 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Unless like Lorena the jury let her off, that women should have done time, no way was she insane.

She was not insane, she was seeking revenge to right supposed wrongs against her, nothing else.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:04 am

That was a dick move.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:33 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 6):
She was not insane, she was seeking revenge to right supposed wrongs against her, nothing else.

I know she wasn't but the defense mounted a good case and the jury bought it lock stock and smoking penis.

I wonder if you could be executed for unlawful penis removal, in this new case it was pretty cold blooded, he could have died, so she should pay the ultimate consequences IMO.
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:08 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 6):
She was not insane, she was seeking revenge to right supposed wrongs against her, nothing else.

Yep, she should have seen some time. I am sure this woman will.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:19 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
I wonder if you could be executed for unlawful penis removal, in this new case it was pretty cold blooded, he could have died, so she should pay the ultimate consequences IMO.

I sincerely hope that was tongue-in-cheek. While cutting off someone's penis is a very serious offence, it is nothing close to attempted murder. Capital punishment (in Western countries that still use capital punishment, such as the US) is reserved for the most serious of crimes, such as first-degree murder - not for aggravated assault.

Of course, if this had taken place in Iran or Saudi Arabia, she might face a much more severe punishment than imprisonment.
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:41 pm

Quoting squared (Reply 10):
cutting off someone's penis is a very serious offence, it is nothing close to attempted murder

?? You bet it is.
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
?? You bet it is.

It's not really... attempted murder, like all crimes, has two components: the actual physical act and the mental intention. The state would have to show that this woman had the specific intention of killing her husband, (or harming him to the point where death is probable) to meet the definition of attempted murder. The very nature of inchoate offences makes the intention of the assailant crucial for a charge to stick.

I really doubt this circumstance fits the definition of attempted murder, and the DA is not going to charge her with that. The charge that is most likely is assault with a weapon (or whatever is analogous in that state).
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:24 pm

Everytime I read this story it makes me cringe, what disgusting thing to do! No lie, what annoys me more is that some people think it's funny or is making lighthearted jokes. Honestly, I think losing my manhood would be worst than losing my life, yea I said it, I would rather be dead. If I was that guy then that lady would have to hide in the darkest of places because she would regret it. Sucks though because since she's a woman, then she'll get 6 months in a "facility" ( not even prison) where she'll get to talk about her feelings then she will probably get let out early for good behavior And put on probation!
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):

cutting off someone's penis is a very serious offence, it is nothing close to attempted murder

?? You bet it is.

Nope, not unless the cutter intended the victim to die. The crime of attempt is when the defendant does not fully carry out the ultimate intended crime but comes within "dangerous proximity" of doing so, and also has the specific intent and actual intent to do so.

So attempted murder would mean that she 1) came close to doing something that would kill the victim and 2) wanted the victim to die. Tough to sell here, since I think she only wanted to torture him...which in California is a crime in and of itself.

EDIT: Squared beat me to it!

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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:39 pm

Quoting loubert (Reply 14):
The charge that is most likely is assault with a weapon (or whatever is analogous in that state).

California has a crime called Mayhem, removing someone's body parts. Aggravated Mayhem might fit here:
"A person is guilty of aggravated mayhem when he or she
unlawfully, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to
the physical or psychological well-being of another person,
intentionally causes permanent disability or disfigurement of another
human being or deprives a human being of a limb, organ, or member of
his or her body. For purposes of this section, it is not necessary
to prove an intent to kill. Aggravated mayhem is a felony punishable
by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of
parole."

Plus there might be enhancements because she drugged him and tied him up (False Imprisonment) in order to do this.
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting loubert (Reply 15):
"A person is guilty of aggravated mayhem when he or she
unlawfully, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to
the physical or psychological well-being of another person,
intentionally causes permanent disability or disfigurement of another
human being or deprives a human being of a limb, organ, or member of
his or her body. For purposes of this section, it is not necessary
to prove an intent to kill. Aggravated mayhem is a felony punishable
by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of
parole."

It's interesting that California has a specific provision relating to dismemberment, I wonder if this is a more common occurrence than I first thought. Other jurisdictions have a more general category where something like this could slot under.
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting squared (Reply 12):
It's not really... attempted murder, like all crimes, has two components: the actual physical act and the mental intention.

There are very important blood vessels near the penis. Both arteries and veins. I don´t know where the cut was made but he could have easily bled to death. While the mental intention may not have been there, since the actual physical act could have killed him, could attempted manslaughter be brought as a charge too?
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:30 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):
There are very important blood vessels near the penis. Both arteries and veins. I don´t know where the cut was made but he could have easily bled to death. While the mental intention may not have been there, since the actual physical act could have killed him, could attempted manslaughter be brought as a charge too?


I don't know if such a charge exists under California law... but in my mind, the idea of attempts and manslaughter are difficult to reconcile. The defendant could not really plan and execute steps to "manslaughter" her husband, to do so would simply be attempted homicide...
 
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:45 am

Okay, but if the penis was put down the garbage disposal then how does the man live literally? He needs to urinate. plus, he'd bleed out and die from blood loss. Then that's murder. Plus, wasn't this guy aware she was doing this? Or was he sleeping too. Lesson to the world: NEVER EVER EVER cheat on your wife...EVER!!!
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RE: Lorena Bobbitt Would Be Proud.

Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:50 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):

Yep, she should have seen some time. I am sure this woman will.

Looks like she's admitted doing it. If so, and she's not insane, she'll likely do some serious time.

Quoting squared (Reply 10):

I sincerely hope that was tongue-in-cheek. While cutting off someone's penis is a very serious offence, it is nothing close to attempted murder.

No, you're right, it isn't. And I don't know about CA, but here in TX such a thing could easily fall into a category of reckless aggravated assault (I may have the wording wrong) with intent to maim. It would carry an identical penalty to attempted homicide.

We have to consider what a penis actually does. When you have an erection, all that "stiffness" is essentially brought about by what amounts to hydraulic pressure. In a human, the only source of that (in any meaningful amount) would be blood pressure. So, it stands to reason that a severed penis could turn into a very easily lethal situation WRT blood loss... Yes, I could see how that would actually kill someone if left untreated.

Quoting squared (Reply 12):
Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
No lie, what annoys me more is that some people think it's funny or is making lighthearted jokes.

No kidding. This is a serious mutilation. Would anyone be laughing if this was a set female breasts removed... or ANY part of a child? If guilty, she would need to serve the same penalty as though if it were either of the aforementioned examples.




On a side note, anyone think of that "Mein Teil" song when this broke? That was some seriously whacked out stuff, IIRC...
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