Ken777
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Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:04 pm

Talk about Downgrades to Shake The World.  Wow!

Consumer Reports has just downgraded the Honda Civid - they have lost their Recommended status.

Quote:

There’s blood in the metaphorical water today: after years of garnering praise from the editors of Consumer Reports, the 2012 Honda Civic was stripped of its “recommended” tag.

While CR praises the refreshed Civic for good fuel economy and great crash test ratings, it liked virtually nothing else. It criticizes the new model’s ride and handling, braking, road noise, and interior quality. CR drove another nail into the nameplate’s coffin by criticizing the car’s fit and finish — something long considered to be a positive hallmark of Honda’s small cars.
http://rumors.automobilemag.com/fall...-reports-recommendation-65335.html


This is turning out to be a month that will endure with it's own reputation.

Makes me worried about my birthday later this month, but then I have already been downgraded over the years.
 
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:13 pm

These entry-level sedans in general have been looking really plain and boring lately.
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:41 pm

That looks horrible compared to the European Civic.
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:16 pm

Not surprising. As said above, these cars are now designed to attract the largest amount of people, which makes them horribly bleehh.

Somewhere after the 90s, something went wrong. Cars are now expandable transient commodities, something that you rent for a while before you throw it away for another one. You're not even supposed to drive one that's not under warranty anymore. They've become so sophisticated that you can't envision trying to maintain them yourself and cost cutting means that service technicians are not even taught how to fix these things anymore, they just run a computer diagnostic and change whatever assembly they're being told to. They've also become bloated and full of useless and heavy junk we are told we can't live without.

It's probably just me. I like cars and couldn't even own one that doesn't allow me to do an oil change myself. I can't stand the fact that manufacturers are now trying to corner you on every possible cost incurred by driving a car. And I'm not even an old geezer yet.

That Honda, like most other cars, has lost most of the identity that made small Hondas so great to own yesteryears. It's blended in with the mass. If you hide the badge, I can hardly make it out from a Ford or a Kia. Not that it will stop those cholo-pants and D&G sunglass wearers to fit 22 in. rims and 10 in. exhausts on them...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Honda-CR-%EF%BD%981987.JPG

  

Sorry, off topic rant over.
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:36 pm

You know, my sister just got a new Hyundai Elantra, and I've gotta say it puts the Civic and just about every other car in its class to shame. I've really been surprised at what's coming from South Korea these days.

As for Honda in general, good riddance. My brand new Acura has been a real piece of junk.
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:07 am

I have a 2006 Honda Jazz (Fit in the U.S.) and it is a great car, and the service I have had from the certified Honda dealership has been nothing short of excellent (I had heard bad stories about the repair costs of Hondas, but so far nothing has required fixing or replacing). If I had a need for a new car and was on the market for one, I would seriously consider buying a new model Jazz/Fit. As far as I am concerned, Honda still has my money.
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:43 am

I'm not completely surprised. I have a 2008 Acura TSX and couldn't have been happier with it. I have put 60K miles on it and the only thing to go out on it was a brake light. I will say that I'm disappointed in the 2011 TSX, the quality of it is inferior to my car. The quality of the interior, body, and ride were not what I would expect from Honda/Acura. However the numbers of features has gone up, so I can see that while keeping the price the same and adding features, you have to cut fat somewhere.

I think in order for Honda to remain competitive, they will have to cut quality. Also, the market has really changed from efficient, well made cars to near luxury cars in the mid to upper 20's.
 
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:07 am

Cost cutting has hit the Civic hard in the last two generations. Prior to 2005, most models of the Civic had double-wishbone independent suspension at all four corners, which gave it both excellent handling (in its class) and a surprisingly refined ride. After 2005, however, Honda went to a cheaper MacPherson struts up front and a simple, semi-independent torsion beam suspension in the back. While this is cheaper to make, the car suffers quite dramatically in terms of its road manners.

Also, Honda has been lagging in the drivetrain department of late (shocker!). While their engines are still quite good, the competition is better in most cases. For example, Honda has yet to implement direct fuel injection in their gas-powered Civics and the old five-speed automatic continues in this generation, while the competition have adopted six-speed automatics and even dual-clutch gearboxes in some cases.

Beyond that, the styling of the last two generations of Civics has taken a questionable turn in the eyes of many. While the older (pre-2005) designs were plain, they were very clean and well proportioned. The later cars (including this latest generation) are overwrought and awkwardly proportioned. As much as I'm not really a fan of this trend, I think Honda needs to poach a high-profile European stylist to redesign their entire model lineup as their competition has done already (such as Hyundai and Kia).

[Edited 2011-08-07 22:11:03]
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RE: Another Downgrade - Honda This Time

Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:18 pm

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
You know, my sister just got a new Hyundai Elantra, and I've gotta say it puts the Civic and just about every other car in its class to shame. I've really been surprised at what's coming from South Korea these days.

Indeed. Hyundai is kicking ass bigtime.

http://jalopnik.com/5827382/let-us-b...o-welcome-our-new-korean-overlords

High quality, amazing value and features, great styling, range of products from entry level to luxury. And major growth.

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