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Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:05 pm

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Ok I know in France attitudes toward sex is a bit more down to earth than here and I like that. I am no prude but am I wrong in thinking this is a little creepy? I mean 14 and 15 years is one thing but this is disturbing.
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:47 pm

How is that any different than that 5 year old beauty pageant show on US TV where fat. scuzzy mothers push their 5 year old daughters into beauty pageants with too much makeup and everything?
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:18 am

Well I abhor the underage pageants as well but I don't see many that have the girls dress in lingerie.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:44 am

It's a company that seeks to provoke with this campaign. At first I thought those kids look as if they plundered Mom's closet and played around with the clothes. But now I too am taken aback a bit.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:52 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Well I abhor the underage pageants as well but I don't see many that have the girls dress in lingerie.

I agree, this is bizzarre, sick, sordid bullshit.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:08 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I agree, this is bizzarre, sick, sordid bullshit.

That pic with the little girl in the pink panties is totally wrong even for France. I mean really now.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:20 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
That pic with the little girl in the pink panties is totally wrong even for France. I mean really now.

To be honest, I did not get that far, that is how this wacko bull affects me. I have no tolerance for children being exploited by anyone.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:26 am

Good Lord the pics on are their homepage.

http://www.jours-apres-lunes.com/fille.html


What is to gain of a closeup of a underage girls rear end! Are mothers in France going to buy this stuff?
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:43 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
What is to gain of a closeup of a underage girls rear end! Are mothers in France going to buy this stuff?

What does it say for the Mother's, or Father's, or both, who let their children pose for these ads?
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
That pic with the little girl in the pink panties is totally wrong even for France. I mean really now.

not to dissimilar to the Vogue story a few weeks back.

pretty alarming and worrying that parents allow their kids to be exploited in this manner.

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Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:29 am

I don't like any of this stuff and think it is bad taste. But to be accurate, this is not "Lingerie." It is called and marketed as "Loungerie" or Lounge wear for hanging about the house.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:46 am

Quoting johns624 (Reply 1):
How is that any different than that 5 year old beauty pageant show on US TV where fat. scuzzy mothers push their 5 year old daughters into beauty pageants with too much makeup and everything?

  

It´s scary to see children explored like this in France and US.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:01 am

Okay, let's just take the word "Lingerie" out of it and what do we have? Bathing suit...that's it. If it were titled, "Bathing Suit for Kids" you wouldn't care. This is no more exploiting than an gap kids ad with a mom and daughter in matching bikinis. I see toddlers wearing bikinis all the time.

Now, if this were true adult oriented "lingerie" it would be silk with lace inserts in sexual places. I do not see this at all. I see a rather conservative looking bathing suit on a child. Is it exploitation in any form? Perhaps, I dunno. But so are those crazy kid pageants here in the US that bring out the "creme of the crop."

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Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:00 pm

Personally this is pretty tame compared to some of the perverted stuff that passes for normalcy in Japan. First you've got record companies capitalizing on the sexualization of teen and preteen girls by putting rock bands in schoolgirl uniforms:



Then there's the manga magazines full of underage girls in swimsuits:



Thirdly there are thousands of so-called "eroblogs" devoted to upskirt shots of schoolgirls taken in public by dirty old men. And lastly, stuff like this on the late-night variety shows where celebrity men debate the merits of short, shorter, and shortest schoolgirl skirts:

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Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:42 pm

I feel kind of bad just looking at this stuff...almost feel the need to look over my shoulder to make sure I'm by myself. Wow, this is just wrong. I understand that different countries have different social mores, but this crosses the line.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:42 pm

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 8):
What does it say for the Mother's, or Father's, or both, who let their children pose for these ads?

$$$$$

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
I don't like any of this stuff and think it is bad taste. But to be accurate, this is not "Lingerie." It is called and marketed as "Loungerie" or Lounge wear for hanging about the house.

Hanging out at the house? Would't sweats go better? Come on.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 13):
Personally this is pretty tame compared to some of the perverted stuff that passes for normalcy in Japan. First you've got record companies capitalizing on the sexualization of teen and preteen girls by putting rock bands in schoolgirl uniforms:

I hope you aren't serious. The pics you posted of are girls that are much older than the French ad campaign.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:01 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
I hope you aren't serious.

I only posted what's safe to post. There's stuff out there on Japanese websites and fanzines that is still far worse. Preteen girls in swimsuits with camel toes and what not, just for starters. Get the drift?
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:19 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 16):
I only posted what's safe to post. There's stuff out there on Japanese websites and fanzines that is still far worse. Preteen girls in swimsuits with camel toes and what not, just for starters. Get the drift?

Why wouldn't it be safe to post? Can we stop the hijacking and stick to topic?
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:27 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 16):
I only posted what's safe to post. There's stuff out there on Japanese websites and fanzines that is still far worse. Preteen girls in swimsuits with camel toes and what not, just for starters. Get the drift?

Japanese are much worse about this than the ad is. I still don't see a problem with the French "Loungerie" advert. It's just like a bathing suit and I think the word, "Lingerie" is a misnomer for what it really is. Would I let my daughter pose for it? No. I also wouldn't let my teenage child pose for an Abercrombie and Fitch ad. Those are SUPER sexual and capitalize on sexuality of teens. Remember when you couldn't even buy that "book" of theirs unless you had a parent or were of age?

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Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
Can we stop the hijacking and stick to topic?

It is the topic. This is not as bad as you think it is. It's bad PR for sure, but it's not that creepy compared to other stuff out there. If you haven't been here and seen what I'm talking about, enough with the histrionics already.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 18):
"Lingerie" is a misnomer for what it really is

Absolutely. It's loungewear, distastefully advertised.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 18):
Would I let my daughter pose for it? No.

Agreed.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:02 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
French Lingerie Co Touts Young Girls. Creepy!

Misleading title, there are no photos of this girl in lingerie in the link you posted.

However if you ever see some of the childrens clothing catalogues they send as junk mail they often have photos of young children in undies so mums can see what they look like before they buy, is this any different?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Well I abhor the underage pageants as well but I don't see many that have the girls dress in lingerie.

No they put them in bikinis and high heals, much worse and certainly more degrading if you ask me.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 19):
It is the topic. This is not as bad as you think it is. It's bad PR for sure, but it's not that creepy compared to other stuff out there. If you haven't been here and seen what I'm talking about, enough with the histrionics already.

Then post it. All I see is girls that are probably 15-17 yrs old. Not to mention what does it matter if Japan does the same thing. Does that make it right?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 20):
Misleading title, there are no photos of this girl in lingerie in the link you posted.

What do you call that pink lace thing? It most certainly is.
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:00 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
What do you call that pink lace thing? It most certainly is.

I call them undies, if you ever have a daughter you'll hopefully buy her some.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
I call them undies, if you ever have a daughter you'll hopefully buy her some.

I most certainly will but not those.
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:55 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
All I see is girls that are probably 15-17 yrs old

So where do YOU draw the line? If it's underage, it's underage.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:09 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
if you ever have a daughter you'll hopefully buy her some

Sorry, my daughter at that age does NOT need to wear anything that looks like that. Once she turns 18 she can wear whatever she wants for undies, but until then, undies need to be simple and do the job they were indended to do.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:29 pm

have you been anywhere near a childrens clothing shop lately?
 
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:35 am

This is the stuff a good marketing campaign is made of. Visually striking, stirs up controversy, news stories start appearing covering the outrage - it's free press. Who cares if the line is a flop? I'll bet the rest of their sales numbers will go through the roof.

Is it wrong? Sure. Is it legal? Absolutely. Is it in poor taste? Most decidedly so.

But is it a failure as a marketing gimmick? Quite the opposite. It's a smashing success.
 
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:50 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 12):
Okay, let's just take the word "Lingerie" out of it and what do we have? Bathing suit...that's it. If it were titled, "Bathing Suit for Kids" you wouldn't care. This is no more exploiting than an gap kids ad with a mom and daughter in matching bikinis. I see toddlers wearing bikinis all the time.

Now, if this were true adult oriented "lingerie" it would be silk with lace inserts in sexual places. I do not see this at all. I see a rather conservative looking bathing suit on a child. Is it exploitation in any form? Perhaps, I dunno. But so are those crazy kid pageants here in the US that bring out the "creme of the crop."
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 18):
I also wouldn't let my teenage child pose for an Abercrombie and Fitch ad. Those are SUPER sexual and capitalize on sexuality of teens.

You are absolutely spot on. When I opened the links, I was honestly quite shocked to see what I saw. I then took a moment to reflect and ask myself what exactly about these images it was that shocked me. And it was the subliminal anticipation to see something sexual, and then see children in these images. I then looked at the images again without any prior anticipation and ''assessed'' the pictures again. I still think you must be quiet broken in the head to make your daughter model for such photos, but I don't find the pictures in itself shocking or different from what you've seen in thousands other places before.

Which is also why people don't take issue with the A&F ads. You don't look at A&F as a ''shady'' company, therefore you approach their ads differently than something that is - as in this thread - making you believe you will see something that somehow includes child pornography. If you compared the photos side by side without knowing their origin, you wouldn't see much of a difference though.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 14):
I understand that different countries have different social mores, but this crosses the line.

Sounds like you're implying every French person is immoral and a pedophile.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 13):
Personally this is pretty tame compared to some of the perverted stuff that passes for normalcy in Japan.

Japan and Russia are the only countries in the world where the possession of child pornography is not illegal. They also have a ton of movies of girls as young as three years old that basically have sex in these movies, just that they're still wearing tight bikinis. As long as primary and secondary sexual characteristics are covered, it is not porn. In Europe porn starts the moment people are depicted in 'sexual poses', ie the pictures have an underlying sexual implication.

Japanese people are so sexually deviant because of their strict culture. If you taboo everything sexual and force people to live against their natural instincts, you shouldn't be surprised if years of surpression eventually show in such peculiar ways. It's for the same reason that goat sex is somewhat accepted in many Arab countries, or why Dutch people consume much less marijuana per person than their US counterparts, or why despite the virtually non-existent drinking age in Europe teens seems to deal with alcohol much more civilized than people in more restrictive areas.

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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
All I see is girls that are probably 15-17 yrs old

So where do YOU draw the line? If it's underage, it's underage.

I have to defend NIKV69 here. What do you think 18 (legal age) is? A law of nature? 18 is just as arbitrary a number as 15 or 21. The difference is that you'd expect a 15 years old person to have an understanding of the implications of their doings. With children, so pre-teens, the whole thing gains an element of exploitation. That's what makes the difference. They might be doing something against their own will, or without knowing what they are doing.


But to be honest, seeing how much we are shocked by such pictures - myself included- just goes to show how damaged we as a people have become. The mothers want to live their own dreams through their children, make them famous and become rich, the girls feel great that they can play grown ups for a day and emulate their parents (role models). And we, as the objective spectator, instantly assume a sexual element to this, regardless if it was intended by the designer, the parents, the 'models' or anybody else involved, just because we have become so sensitized about ''child protection'' in the widest sense that we see things where we want to see them.

I think these pictures are wrong and I didn't really need to see them. But honestly, I'm wondering if that doesn't say more about us than about the pictures themselves...
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:24 pm

So I was at the beach the other day in Tuscany, surprisingly enough there were children of all ages in monokinis and bikinis, and not the normal burkinis, how shocking !
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:30 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 29):
So I was at the beach the other day in Tuscany, surprisingly enough there were children of all ages in monokinis and bikinis, and not the normal burkinis, how shocking !

As I said.. humans don't think a lot and base most of their opinions on ''anticipation''. See a girl in a bikini at a beach, not a problem. See a girl wearing the exact same thing but made from another fabric so it looks like underwear in public and it's an outrage. Most people don't understand that their perception of ''normalcy'' is what they - under given circumstances -are accustomed to, that their own values are highy inconsistent and yet, they want to generalize it and apply their situational perception of things to everything and everybody.

That is by the way also the reason why most people don't understand the concept of a state of law and condone torture, violence etc. when they like it but are appalled about the very same thing as soon as they don't like it.
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