ozglobal
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HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:29 pm

The new TGV Rhin-Rhône Line is opening after final trials and several years of construction. In the attached clip the TGV Duplex trainsets are passing at 352 km/h. The line will initially run at 320 km/h for commercial service. Journey times France-Switzerland, France Germany and Eastern France - Spain are being cut by up to 3hrs. This is one of the first LGV lines not to be Paris centered, but to be focused on regional and inter-European needs primarily. This is another great, multi-generational investment in the future of the region and will help stimulate the economy in regional centres as well as providing long term transport options to French, Germans and Swiss.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFeqZc40cGY&feature=related

Web site (French):

http://www.lgvrhinrhone.com/index.php

TGV Est passing station in Champagne close up at 320km/h as reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFh95LB3H58&feature=related

[Edited 2011-08-29 15:54:07]
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:10 pm

Web site in English:

http://est.lgvrhinrhone.com/english.php

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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:39 am

If only we could get that in the Northeast Corridor....   

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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:02 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
If only we could get that in the Northeast Corridor....

-Mir

I feel the same way - at many levels. Will we end up becoming a steampunk nation?

On the bright side, the 2nd Ave Subway will be completed in 2016. Look forward to using it in my wheelchair and oxygen mask.

What we need is an Infrastructure Development Bank for the US with a separate balance sheet that can issue bonds for these projects. Interest rates are low now and a lot of jobs would be created, jump starting the economy.

Anyway, congratulations to our French friends.

p.s. I would like the Moderators to ban any discussion of High Speed Rail in other countries as it makes me feel really bad. Thank you.
 
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 3):
What we need is an Infrastructure Development Bank for the US with a separate balance sheet that can issue bonds for these projects. Interest rates are low now and a lot of jobs would be created, jump starting the economy.

Any rail line, be that high speed or urban is a necessary infrastructure to serve the people and the economy. As are streets, canals, highways and airports. Some, not all airports earn their money including the cost of infrastructure, rail can gardly do that.

Hence, the cost of building cannot amortize, the operation of the trains can. As it was rightfully said, this is a project for many generations and the cost of building should be allocated to the railways operating only in form of a fee per axle kilometer. This will not pay for the cost of investment but it will be an overall benefit for the economy.
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Tue Aug 30, 2011 3:07 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 3):
Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
If only we could get that in the Northeast Corridor....

-Mir

I feel the same way - at many levels. Will we end up becoming a steampunk nation?

On the bright side, the 2nd Ave Subway will be completed in 2016. Look forward to using it in my wheelchair and oxygen mask.

What we need is an Infrastructure Development Bank for the US with a separate balance sheet that can issue bonds for these projects. Interest rates are low now and a lot of jobs would be created, jump starting the economy.

Anyway, congratulations to our French friends.

p.s. I would like the Moderators to ban any discussion of High Speed Rail in other countries as it makes me feel really bad. Thank you.

I was watching a special on Discovery Science about the development of HSR in Japan and the attempt to set a speed record on the TGV and all the technological innovations that had to occur to make HSR possible. Granted I understand that Japan and Europe are different geographically and population densities, blah blah blah....... but they chose to make sure investments 50 years ago. And it wasn't like they weren't also building highways and becoming car-centric in many ways as well. It just seems all very shortsighted, especially when we also had the technical expertise and the financial wherewithal to make it happen.
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:41 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 5):
And it wasn't like they weren't also building highways and becoming car-centric in many ways as well.

  Exactly.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 5):
It just seems all very shortsighted, especially when we also had the technical expertise and the financial wherewithal to make it happen.

Unfortunately, with the current political jam, we will have to wait for another era.
 
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:30 pm

I've just discovered that this will be the new routing for the TGV Lyria service from Paris to Zurich which I use often. This will initially reduce the trip by 35mns with more to be shaved off in future years.

Services swtich to this line (South East from Gare de Lyon) from (Europe Est line from Gare de l'Est) with the opening of the line for comercial services on the 11th Dec 2011. From that date they will go to 6 x daily service with new First class product and dual French and Swiss train managers throughout the journey.

Quote:
2011
- Strengthening of the SNCF/CFF partnership: signature of a new 12-year agreement.
- July will see the launch of the twin train manager system: a French and a Swiss train manager will share duties for the whole journey on the ParisGeneva and ParisLausanne/Bern services.
- From December

* All TGV Lyria services will leave from Paris Gare de Lyon and will run on the South-East line.
* TGV Lyria services will call at Basel and Zurich using the new high-speed line between Genlis (to the south of Dijon) and Belfort (Rhine-Rhône line), with six daily round trips. This will reduce journey times between ParisBasel/Zurich by 33 minutes: the journey time between Paris and Basel will take approximately 3 hours, and approximately 4 hours between Paris and Zurich.
* Launch of the Lyriapremière service and twin train managers on the new ParisBasel/Zurich line.
http://www.tgv-lyria.com/main/FCK/File/site_en/footer/about_lyria.asp
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:21 am

One more interesting fact: This is currently the largest civil works project in France, is partially funded by Switzerland due to the benefits to them and is jointly seen a fine stimulus investment both in the short and very long term. We need a lot more of this sort of long term thinking to address the challenges of renewable energy, changing demographics, changing economic dynamics and shift form manufacturing to service industries if the West is to remain competitve and sustainable in the medium and long term. 2 year horizon thinking is, by definition, not strategic. Markets, by themselves, do not think strategically....
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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:28 am

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8):
Markets, by themselves, do not think strategically....

Quote of the week!

Very envious of those bloody things. Just the thing here as you well know, but will we get them on the E corridor Bris-Syd-Mel, not on your life!

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RE: HSR - New TGV Rhin-Rhône Line Opening

Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:16 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
Sort of part with Cormorin, except do not encourage them we already have a few too many untouchable subjects C!!!

Message received! Meanwhile, I am waiting for Fairy Godmother to arrive and set everything right again.

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