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Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:06 am

I applied for a few jobs at the NBN Co. (National Broadband Network) in MEL.


Pros and cons, please.   Access to homosexuals, a liberal culture, cuisine, and nightlife required. Requiring a vehicle must not be required, as we know I'm a treehugger.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:22 am

Much less multiculturalism vs most US cities. Essentially you have whites descendant from UK, small native population, and a relatively large Asian population.

You do need a car in most places; most people live in suburbia.

I am sure the cuisine is fine, and you can find anything.
 
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:26 am

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
I'm a treehugger.

I guess you'll be a eucalyptus treehugger. Just watch out for snakes. They're very poisonous down there.

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
Requiring a vehicle must not be required

Some of the best American cars are made in Australia.
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:31 am

Everything in Australia is poisonous and will kill you! Spiders the size of cars! Snakes that out run humans! Sharks with friggin' lasers!

(note... the preceeding comment is not scientifically accurate)
 
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 3):
Everything in Australia is poisonous and will kill you! Spiders the size of cars! Snakes that out run humans! Sharks with friggin' lasers!

Sounds like everything is extreme down there in Australia.
Does that mean that the gays are extremely gay?  
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:41 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Does that mean that the gays are extremely gay?

As long as they don't have lasers like the sharks they can be a gay as they want lol
 
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:02 am

Yeah.....no...you don't want to come here...

we have...

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00622/snake_682_622376a.jpg

And of course the ferocious drop bears (seriously..I'm not kidding)..



And some very aggressive Kangaroos...



And there is absolutely nothing to see or do..




    
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:18 am

Quoting zhiao (Reply 1):
Much less multiculturalism vs most US cities.

Really ?

I find Melbourne to be very multicultural, much more so than the a lot of places I visited in the US, especially in the deep south.

I believe it also has the largest population of Greeks living there outside of Greece. So the Slovakia is a planty!!

The cuisine is generally outstanding and diverse. Shopping is also fantastic, and public transport is considered good compared to most similar sized cities.

The only thing I dislike about Melbourne is Port Phillip Bay, its a real muddy harbor.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 6):
And of course the ferocious drop bears (seriously..I'm not kidding)..

Oh yeah, that's right !
The ones that suck your brains out through your ears.... not pretty at all.   
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:33 am

Melbourne can't compare with most US large cities in terms of multiculturalism. NYC? Miami? LA? SF? Chi? DC? Bos? Sea? Philly? Probably Houston has more diversity. Sure Melbourne may be more multicultural than Atlanta and Dallas. But then compare Perth to Atl, and Atl has
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:52 am

Quoting zhiao (Reply 8):
But then compare Perth to Atl,

You can't really compare Perth and Atlanta. They are vastly different cities, with different populations. Perth is way smaller than Atlanta. But you can compare Melbourne or Sydney to any of the US cities. Yes, there are areas where you may not see the diversity, but SYD and MEL are certainly very very diverse and multicultural. Just take a walk near Flinders street station in MEL during peak hour.
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:57 am

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
Pros and cons, please

Ok pros first
Fantastic resturants
excelent night life, and yes lots of gay clubs
good public transport compared to most cities
hop & skip to snow fields/ wineries etc
the sporting capital of australia ( you will learn to love AFL)
great mix of cultures with a large greek & asian componennt
its not Sydney

cons
bloody cold in winter (too cold for drop bears)
inner city housing expensive as with most cities (is your employeer paying?
they make VB the worst beer in the country

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:10 am

Quoting mal787 (Reply 10):
the sporting capital of australia ( you will learn to love AFL)

Abso-freakin'-lutely! AFL has got it all over US football!
1. Better looking and much more fit players;
2. Much smaller uniforms (kind of half-way between Rugby and Soccer) with no pads;
3. Far, FAR more fun to watch because as in basketball, once the ball is in play they keep playing until someone scores. None of this stopping the whole game every time the ball changes possession from one team to the other as in US football.
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:27 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 11):
2. Much smaller uniforms (kind of half-way between Rugby and Soccer) with no pads;

I second that, how many other sports can you think of where the players, in uniform, look like they are just about to head out to a gay dance party? I have absolutely no idea of the rules, but I don't really think that has any relevance to enjoyment of the spectacle.
 
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:47 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
Quoting TSS (Reply 11):
2. Much smaller uniforms (kind of half-way between Rugby and Soccer) with no pads;

I second that, how many other sports can you think of where the players, in uniform, look like they are just about to head out to a gay dance party? I have absolutely no idea of the rules, but I don't really think that has any relevance to enjoyment of the spectacle


Don't they pull each other's shorts down as well?

Comparing multiculturalism in NY and Melbourne is like comparing apples and oranges. They are very different cities. But you'll find Melbourne is as multicultural as you can get for a modern city of its size. It's very liberal and very gay. You just don't get the hugely influential and poisonous religious right wing politics that is so pervasive in the States.

You'll love it.
 
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:09 am

Hmm - haven't as yet enjoyed AFL, but perhaps I am trying to appreciate it for more than it is. Taking the approach of "fitties in little shorts" might make the game more enjoyable. I shall have to give it another go.

Australia is a great place to live - moved here with the husband just over a year ago and really liking it.

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
Access to homosexuals, a liberal culture, cuisine, and nightlife required.

You'll have access to all of the above in large and varied quantities in Melbourne. Melbourne doesn't have the "Kodak-moment" appeal that Sydney does, but has, in many respects, much more to offer. I think it would be hard to not like living there, though I think I'll always prefer Sydney - each to their own.

A couple of pieces of advice that I'd give you, from experience:

Cost of living - Coming from the UK, most things feel more expensive here. Coming from the US, nearly everything will feel more expensive. Living very near the CBD, that will of course have an effect, but with a relatively small population (when compared to the size of land), competition in many industries is not as strong as you would be used to. Being paid in AUD will make it easier, but I still baulk at the price of certain everyday items, particularly groceries. Some items do seem to be pretty good value, such as certain electronic items, public transport (at least in Sydney) and, most importantly, sushi restaurants.

Rent - Not sure of the situation in Melbourne, but it's crazy in Sydney. Demand is much higher than supply, so prices are high and competition is tough. I went to one viewing with 9 other couples, all organised with folios containing (presumably) bank statements, letters of reference from employers etc. It's a market geared very much in favour of the landlord. Knowing what we know now, salary negotiations may have taken a slightly different course. As I said, could be completely different down there, but could be good to be prepared if you do get the job and make the move.

Distance - I know it sounds obvious, but be prepared at some point to feel a long way away from "home". I have felt at times very much at home, at others like I'm living on a different planet.

Climate - It rains here. No one tells you this. It also gets cold. Again, no one mentions this. I blame Oprah and Crocodile Dundee. On the flip, it also gets toasty warm. And bloody hot too.

Creatures - Everything here that crawls, swims, or flies wants to poison you or eat you. Remember that and you'll be fine. During my first month, there was a spider so big, I heard it walking before I saw it.  

Car - There's a damn fine car share scheme in Sydney, and am pretty sure there's one in Melbourne. I've no need to own a car here (literally live next door to the station), but it's handy for the occasional trip to an out-of-town store, or down the coast.

Early starts - Melbourne will have slightly longer summer evenings than here, but one thing I've noticed is that many seem to do a whole lot very early, before work. I lived in Manly (where else?   ) for a while and would often see people playing tennis at 6.30 in the morning, presumably before work. The beach would be busy with walkers, joggers, speedos and wetsuits. There aren't long evenings like I am used to so, and even in the summer, the sun sets around 8.00 so I guess it makes sense to do stuff before work.

I'm very lucky to be living here and I really do like the place. Climate is great save for about 4 weeks of the very humid stuff, it's very much an outdoor culture and things feel pretty laid back. The economy seems to be doing well and getting paid in AUD at the moment is very good indeed.

My mother in law asked if we'd stay here. I said that Australia wouldn't have been the first choice for us, but we're glad we're here. Nothing against Australia, but we wouldn't chose to move somewhere so far from nephews, nieces and other family members. Seeing as the US doesn't recognise our relationship, and won't for the foreseeable future, we thought we'd give it a go here, and we're so so glad we did.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:29 am

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
Access to homosexuals

You will find access aplenty. Sydney certainly has the bigger, glitzier gay scene, but you will have absolutely no trouble finding willing males with which to have relations. (Also, Sydney is only an hour and anywhere from $50 - $200 away - perfect for that weekend party trip, should such things interest you.)

Put it this way: I'm gay, have lived in Melbourne my entire life and have never had any trouble making friends who are also gay, nor have I ever been short of relationship material.

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
a liberal culture

As has already been mentioned, we enjoy an incredibly liberal society. No issues there. I suspect that the nature of political debate here is not nearly as toxic (if I may use that term) as it is in the USA, however that's probably not saying much either.

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
cuisine

Melbourne has the best restaurants in Australia. Anyone who tells you otherwise is speaking nonsense. Wonderful array of eateries/cafes and drinking outlets to choose from. I can offer many specific recommendations should you end up here.

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
nightlife

Well, what sort of nightlife are we talking about? I'm more of a live music, cosy bar/pub sort of guy. If you are too, you will not get bored in Melbourne (again, I can offer specific recommendations). If you're more of a doof-doof nightclub kind of guy, I'm led to believe that we have plenty of options there too, but I'm not really much of an authority in that area.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 1):
Much less multiculturalism vs most US cities.

That may well be the case, particularly if we're comparing Melbourne to New York City, however Melbourne is still an incredibly multicultural city, probably the most multicultural in the country (Sydney wouldn't be far behind). It also depends on your location in Melbourne. Where I live, for example, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is a white UK-descendant Australian. It's all European / Asian / Sudanese / Middle Eastern (myself included). But, yes, travel to the eastern suburbs and they're all Smiths and Joneses.

Melbourne has benefited greatly from multiculturalism - these culinary and cultural delights I and others have spoken of would probably be non-existent without it.

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 14):
Climate - It rains here. No one tells you this. It also gets cold. Again, no one mentions this. I blame Oprah and Crocodile Dundee. On the flip, it also gets toasty warm. And bloody hot too.

Melbourne's climate can be frustratingly variable, but you'll get used to that. Those 40C summer days are a bit of a nightmare, but thankfully there are only a handful of them (if that) each year. Our winters are cold and grey, but you've probably experienced far colder in your fair country anyway. Our springs and autumns are (mostly) wonderful.

Cons:
- Rent can be stupidly expensive.
- Transport can be cumbersome if you live in the outer suburbs. Stick to the inner suburban area (i.e. within 10km of the CBD) and you'll be fine. Trams are your friend.
- It's not anywhere near as 'pretty' as Sydney.
- It may at times feel small and provincial, particularly if you're used to the metropolises of the east coast of the USA.

Overall, I think Melbourne is a glorious place and I love living here. I've been lucky enough to travel the world and live for short stints in other countries - Melbourne always compares favourably for the things that I like and want out of life (obviously others may feel differently).
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:30 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 7):
So the Slovakia is a planty!!

I think you mean Souvlaki  .

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 7):

The cuisine is generally outstanding and diverse. Shopping is also fantastic, and public transport is considered good compared to most similar sized cities.

Very true, the trains just need to run on time more. Especially the Frankston line.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 8):
Melbourne can't compare with most US large cities in terms of multiculturalism. NYC? Miami? LA? SF? Chi? DC? Bos? Sea? Philly? Probably Houston has more diversity. Sure Melbourne may be more multicultural than Atlanta and Dallas. But then compare Perth to Atl, and Atl has
more nationalities.

Have you been here? It can't necessarily compete with all of the big US cities but Melbourne can compete with cities of similar sizes.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:55 am

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
Pros and cons, please. Access to homosexuals, a liberal culture, cuisine, and nightlife required. Requiring a vehicle must not be required, as we know I'm a treehugger.

I used to live in Melbourne, and I must say it would cater for all your requirements above.

Decent size city, 4 million odd people, very liberal, very very multicultural (really as multicultural as you will find any large city in the US) ...from greeks (huge population base), italians, maltese through to indians, chinese, malaysian communites...really in most parts of the city you will find they out number typical english decendants, the only exception...as some have stated the outer eastern suburbs...

Cost - Average for Australian cities, i've lived in a number of cites around the country and would say cost of living is quite reasonable in comparison. I was renting, a modern spacious two bedroom unit with garage $260 a week (this was back in 2009).

Transport - Very very extensive public transport network, with good train system and huge tram network with lots of frequencies. I had a car but only used it for my 5 min drive to work (which was at the airport...which is the only area I would say is lacking in public transport access, the skybus to and from the cbd is great, but anywhere else to the airport isn't as easy). But apart from the drive to work, my car was never needed, I lived inna suburb called niddrie near airport west, lived right near a tramline, with a train station not far away in Essendon.

Cuisine - Omg this is Melboures real deal! fantastic for foodies. Nothing beats a night on Lygon street! or breakfast at one of the many cafes up the alleys off flinders lane  

Sport - I'm not a huge sports fan, but Melbourne would have to be the place to be in Australia for sports nuts!

Homosexuals and nightlife - Again, its all happening here, good choice of bars and clubs in varying locations around the city, you won't be disapointed   hehe.

Treehugger friendly - You will be very happy, not only is the public transport network extensive, city also supports bike lane networks throughout the city for those wanting to cycle  

Its also been recently voted as one of the most livable cities in the world.

Why did I move? work was one factor, the other was personal. But the only downside I would say is the weather...in winter very cold (well by Australian standards...anyone from the northern hemisphere would call us all a bunch of wusses), in summer the weather can be extreme, can be cold some days like only 16degC ...yet other days 46degC!
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:56 am



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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:11 am

Quoting gigneil (Thread starter):
gigneil

If you do not come and live in Australia, Aunty Jack will come round and rip yer bloody arm orf. She will yer know.

Look up Aunty Jack on Google!

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:17 am

Quoting mal787 (Reply 10):
good public transport compared to most cities

Gotta love the tram network! Sydney's public transport is like 3rd world comparing to Melbourne!   

Quoting mal787 (Reply 10):
Fantastic resturants

Better service than you get in SYD!

Quoting mal787 (Reply 10):
they make VB the worst beer in the country

I'll second that!

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 14):
Rent - Not sure of the situation in Melbourne, but it's crazy in Sydney. Demand is much higher than supply, so prices are high and competition is tough.

SYD's crazy rent is, I suspect, partly due to the public transportation system! I'd rather take the ferry than the bus or train when there's a choice!

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 15):
Melbourne is still an incredibly multicultural city, probably the most multicultural in the country (Sydney wouldn't be far behind).

Hahaha! Sydney is crazy! I spent over an hour at a bank when trying to open a USD account... because I'm from where my flag indicates... now, the white guys wouldn't want to serve me because they feared I didn't speak English, so they gave me to a Cantonese guy, who then realized I was not a Cantonese, who then passed me to a Mandarin guy, who also realized I was not a Mandarin, he then passed me to a Vietnamese guy, who then realized I was not Vietnamese, and he passed me back to the Whitey, who then wondered why he saw me again... and repeated the cycle, at which point I called the manager and wondered what kind of circus show they were pulling there...
And oh, when I could spend a week in Uni in SYD without speaking a word of English (spoke Indonesian for the whole of that particular week), yes, it's "multicultural enough", at least the lectures were still in English, otherwise I'd ask for a refund!   
Melbourne, is more multicultural, and not as ridiculous as Sydney!
If you're a tree hugger, MEL is much better than SYD!

I left Australia 10 yrs ago (gave up my residency) because I got bored, but I blame Sydney for it...    But one of my regrets was not to give Melbourne a chance ! Because...

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 17):
Its also been recently voted as one of the most livable cities in the world.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:51 am

Cost of living can be expensive here, though if you are earning well then it will be less of an issue, just don't expect USA prices on groceries, or utilities for that matter, especially Electricity.

Weather well it can be cold in winter, however no snow in the city, coldest overnight temp would not be lower than 30F and even that only on a few nights. Average day temps would be around 55-57F in winter. Summer can be hit or miss, either cool or few days heatwave up to around 107F, the worst part is the famous Melbourne "cool change" when you can go from 107 to 64 in 20 mins.

Melbourne is definitely the cultural capital of Australia, we have all sorts of shows, musicals, theatre, opera, concerts, major international sporting events, Formula 1 etc. going on all the time.

Food/restaurants as everyone else has pointed out is plentiful and everywhere. But again don't expect USA prices, eating out is not cheap. Melbourne has a huge cafe culture.

Disadvantages? Probably we are one of the furthest cities from anywhere in the world. Closest international destinations(excluding NZ) are Bali, SIN (7 hours), KUL (8 hours), BKK (9 hours).

Melbourne is very multi-cultural, we have a very large international student population as well. I don't where people get the impression we are not. Australia like the US, is made up of immigrants.

To sum up, we have won Worlds most Liveable city on numerous occasions for good reason.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:00 pm

Melbourne was just deemed the most livable city in the world (taking over the place Vancouver had for a long time).

http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2011/08/liveability-ranking

It's a great place to live, in one of the best countries to live in (used to live there a couple years ago, and still visit regularly).

When it comes to your requirements, eg. night life, then really there is only Sydney, Melbourne and possibly Gold Coast to choose from in Australia.

I would recommend living in the St. Kilda area (and surrounding suburbs). Good night life, close to city, good place to live, but possibly a bit expensive.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it there.

When it comes to homosexuality and liberal culture, I don't know much, but Australia in general is quite liberal, and although gay marriage isn't legal (yet), homosexuality is very accepted. It is no worse than any other place to say it that way.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:10 pm

As others have said, Melbourne is very multi-cultural, there would not be a country that wouldn't have one of it's citizens living here.

As far as living costs, remember that the tipping culture is not what it is in the US - you wouldn't normally tip someone at a pub bistro, or a 'normal' resturant, tipping is normally only expected at the top end establishments with top-class service, and even then people will only normally tip if they get good service. You wouldn't go tipping a hardresser, etc either.

There are lots of cheap & cheerful places to eat though, mainly asian, but a lot of of the pubs run special deals on meals during the week.

Public transport is good, especially in the city & inner suburbs. I'd say you'd proably be working in the city, so if you're living either in the CBD or inner suburbs, taking the train or tram would be very easy, and there wouldn't be much need for a car. But you might find that if you want to go exploring on the weekends, a car would be convient. But there are good public transport links to most of the country areas by train or bus, and there are a few car share schemes going.

I've noticed the rents have come down a bit over the past few months, you can get a studo/1 bedroom apartment in the CBD or within walking distance for under $300 a week, more with a car space.

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting mal787 (Reply 10):
they make VB the worst beer in the country

While I agree on that I heard (I don't know if its true) that VB is made in Queensland and the Victoria in it isn't named after the state but is named after Queen Victoria.

However there are some really good microbreweries that make some good beers. I really like Mountain Goat from Richmond and White Rabbit from the Yarra Valley.

The best mass produced beers in Australia are from WA and SA being Little Creatures and Coppers respectively.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 17):
well by Australian standards...anyone from the northern hemisphere would call us all a bunch of wusses

I tell everyone that who complained this past winter, I'm from YYZ originally.

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 21):
Disadvantages? Probably we are one of the furthest cities from anywhere in the world. Closest international destinations(excluding NZ) are Bali, SIN (7 hours), KUL (8 hours), BKK (9 hours).

I would give that crown to Perth or Auckland instead of Melbourne.
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:50 pm

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 21):

Cost of living can be expensive here, though if you are earning well then it will be less of an issue, just don't expect USA prices on groceries, or utilities for that matter, especially Electricity

I hear everyone bitching here about the cost of electricity so I was prepared for a shock from my first bill, but it's not been too bad.

We've got a 2 bed, 2 bath, 2 storey apartment and have ended up paying on average $4/day which covered AC in up to 3 rooms for most of the day and night during a hot summer, a washing machine most days, and a drier too when necessary. The apartment is not double-glazed either and has lots of glass, so can't be particularly energy efficient. The cost has been a pleasant surprise. I've just compared some plans here with back in the UK, and it does seem to be a little pricier here, but not by a huge margin.


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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:54 pm

Very well then, lets see if these people actually call me back!

Thanks for all the input, it does sound like it would be a fun adventure!

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:41 pm

I have visited Melbourne a few times. I like the city, there is nice food, good public transportation and good nightlife. It gets very cold during the winter (our summer) though, I wasn't expecting it to be that cold.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 7):
So the Slovakia is a planty!!

The what now??

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:24 am

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 14):
Early starts - Melbourne will have slightly longer summer evenings than here, but one thing I've noticed is that many seem to do a whole lot very early, before work. I lived in Manly (where else? ) for a while and would often see people playing tennis at 6.30 in the morning, presumably before work. The beach would be busy with walkers, joggers, speedos and wetsuits. There aren't long evenings like I am used to so, and even in the summer, the sun sets around 8.00 so I guess it makes sense to do stuff before work.

During summer, sunrise can be up to 7.30AM, but sunset is around 9.30 PM, so you'll see people hit the parks & beaches after work if it's a nice day
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:37 am

I do have to say there are some challenges. For example, I don't know how I feel about ANY of the pay TV services!  

There do seem to be a large number of Crossfit gyms. That would make me happy, as I spend quite a bit of time at mine. I didn't realize how popular a sport it was internationally.

Also there will be no doing of any ourdoor activities for me at 6:30 am, unless it involves a mad dash to the local cafe.

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Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:27 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 24):
While I agree on that I heard (I don't know if its true) that VB is made in Queensland and the Victoria in it isn't named after the state but is named after Queen Victoria.

VB is brewed in Melbourne by Carlton and United Beverages from a recipe originally brewed by Melbournian Thomas C. Moore.

It is not from Queensland.

And yes, it is horrible. But as a student, I must say I've had quite a few because it is cheap. Normally, we'll start with Boag's or some other beer and change to VB when taste becomes less important.  
Quoting gigneil (Reply 26):
Very well then, lets see if these people actually call me back!

Hopefully they will! If you end up not liking Melbourne, there is nothing stopping you from going back, but if you decide not to go (if you get offered the job), you will always be left with the 'what ifs'

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:39 am

Quoting zhiao (Reply 8):
But then compare Perth to Atl

Perth has a pretty good balance IMO. In my family alone there were Scots, real Aussies, a South African, and the newest addition is from Japan.

We even had neighbors who were POMs, of all things.

But if you really want to compare Perth to Atlanta you need to start with the weather. And the glorious beaches.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:47 am

I enjoy a multicultural environment. I can't wait to eat at Billy Kwong's in Sydney, I am very partial to Asian cuisines of all types (although I have switched to eating a mostly paleolithic diet - no grains really, or super sugary stuff).

But I have lived in my fair share of the United States, and much of it is very monochrome. As long as they're GOOD people, I don't mind where they are from or what they look like.  

It certainly does seem appealing. I am going to pursue it.

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Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:03 am

Quoting melpax (Reply 23):
lot of of the pubs run special deals on meals during the week.

There's a lot of 'gourmet' pub food happening these days, although the good old chicken parma never dies. What is it with Victoria's obsession with parmas? Not to say that you can't get a parma interstate, but Victoria seems particularly and peculiarly in love with parmas.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
Normally, we'll start with Boag's

Generally my beer of choice. Those Tasmanians do know how to make good beer.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
change to VB when taste becomes less important.

Heathen!   That stuff is filth. I'd sooner go thirsty.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 32):
As long as they're GOOD people

Yeah, we're a decent bunch. You could do worse than us. Although, on a more superficial note, Melburnians are also quite a good looking lot.
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:03 pm

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 33):
Heathen! That stuff is filth. I'd sooner go thirsty.

There was a time when VB (or, even better, MB) was much preferred to the urine that is Fosters (don't know that Fosters is even brewed in Oz any longer?). XXXX is worse than all of them. Coopers is the only real "mainstream beer", especially sparkling ale with its sediment!

As to the, your won't have a worry with Melbourne ticking all your boxes. And, as a PP has said, it's only an hours flight fomr Sydney :P
 
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:17 pm

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 34):
There was a time when VB (or, even better, MB) was much preferred to the urine that is Fosters (don't know that Fosters is even brewed in Oz any longer?). XXXX is worse than all of them. Coopers is the only real "mainstream beer", especially sparkling ale with its sediment!

Little Creatures is getting up there as well.
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Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:26 pm

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 33):
There's a lot of 'gourmet' pub food happening these days, although the good old chicken parma never dies. What is it with Victoria's obsession with parmas? Not to say that you can't get a parma interstate, but Victoria seems particularly and peculiarly in love with parmas.

If a pub dining room can't get a parma right, you know that it's more than likely that the rest of the menu is pretty ordinary, if the parma's a good one, then you can go back with confidence & order anything else off the menu. A pot & parma is an instution in these parts. There's a lot to be said for a piece of crumbed chicken breast topped off with ham, cheese & bolognaise sauce, served with chips & salad, and washed down with a good beer!

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 34):
There was a time when VB (or, even better, MB) was much preferred to the urine that is Fosters (don't know that Fosters is even brewed in Oz any longer?).

Still brewed here & still see it for sale at bottle shops. Don't know who buys it though, haven't seen anyone drink from a blue can for years! Mind you, don't know if I'd prefer Melbourne Bitter to Foster's, that stuff's just vile. Have bad memories of a horrid hangover after dinking that stuff in my younger days......
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:14 am

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 33):

Generally my beer of choice. Those Tasmanians do know how to make good beer.

Ah my hometown beer! hehe must say when I was in Seattle a few months back I had to have a Boags at Outback Streak House (...btw, why don't we have Outback Steak house here...its brilliant...the bloomin onions omg yum!)

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 34):
There was a time when VB (or, even better, MB) was much preferred to the urine that is Fosters (don't know that Fosters is even brewed in Oz any longer?). XXXX is worse than all of them. Coopers is the only real "mainstream beer", especially sparkling ale with its sediment!

Id rather have water then VB or MB, both week garbage, never ever had a Fosters and no one I know ever touches the stuff!

Hmmmm though since I moved to Queensland...I have taken to like XXXX somehow LOL
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:07 pm

MEL people are good looking, very nice and very friendly I've ever met. Yes of course they are GOOOOOOD people. I'm sure you won't be disappointed and be alone. (sorry i don't know about you!). They will make yourself comfortable at home!

I have been to Melbourne once and will never go there for vacation. It's a bit dirty and messy in the city. It's cold too! It's crowded around the city. But it has lots of multiculturalism - lots of international food in the restaurants, arts, lifestyles, music, clubbing (lots of good looking middle-east people at the nightclubs lol) and lists go on! If you plan to go to the country somewhere in Victoria, you would feel like you're in Tuscany - as it has got lots of wine yards. It's so peaceful and so relaxed there!  
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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:00 pm

I lived in Melbourne for a year quite recently. Fantastic place, especially if you live in the inner suburbs around the southeast or east of the CBD.

Some observations...

Despite public moanings, public transport is pretty good, particularly if you live in the aforemntioned areas. Just don't expect to get anywhere quickly using the trams, though they are usually a pleasant ride.

The winters are crisp and cool but not freezing. the summers can be baking hot, but there's a weird weather phenomena called a "cool change", where the temp gradually rises over a week from the teens (celsius) to the high 30s and then plumments in an hour to a comfy 20 degrees.

Dining out is excellent ,though can be a bit pricey, while supermarkets are generally cheap, though fruit and veg are expensive and of low quality, largely because of import restrictions.

I've heard stories about ther rental situation and people outbidding each other but in my experience if you see a place you like, have a solid professional background and proven cash on hand, agents will put your forward as a preference. Just make sure you apply as soon as you've seen the place, rather than wait a few days.

Make sure your contract is clear as to whether it is inclusive or exclusive of pension deductions (lots of people make that mistake and get a shock when they see their 9 per cent reductions).

The banks are appalling in terms of fees and cusotmer service, without exception. Avoid the Commonwealth Bank and ANZ - they're truly evil. NAB is probably the least evil from what I've heard.

In terms of the social scene - quite abit of the hipster thing going on, mixed in with chardonnay socialists and feral bogan red necks from the outer suburbs. Not sure about the gay scene but in the suburb I was in (South Yarra/Prahran) it was all fairly open (thougn ot explicit, if you get my drift) and no big deal. Because of the openness there's no real "scene" to speak. And it's far less pretentious than Sydney.

Outdoor environment is nothing special, but that's the way for most of Australia - harsh and unforgiving, lots of empty space.The locla beaches are nothing great.

In terms of ethnic diversity, well I thought there was a ton, with a weighting towards east Asiqan, but that's to be expected. Lots of polynesians, southern Europeans, and a fair few Afircans represented too. Like most of Australiasia, the latin population is increasing too.

Overall, I can't wait to move back there. I'd recommend Melbourne in a heartbeat (ooo and cheap flights to southeast Asia too for holidays).

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RE: Do I Want To Live In Australia?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:44 am

Australia is good, stable but extremely expensive. The cost of living would be 3-4 times that of the most major cities in the states. You will earn a much higher salary here but will be poorer. If you earn a good income in the states it would be financial suicide to come out here. If on the other hand you want to do something different then Australia might be worth a shot.

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