|Quoting lewis (Reply 24):|
But I am asking, what is the official reason given?
No "official reason" is given from the US side, but several Israeli Prime Ministers have been quite open about this thing, and usually explained it by "we have the right people in the right places". In the USA it means that people closely linked to Israel dominate the important media in the Washington/DC-Boston-corridor, where foreign politics is done.
In view of the growing position of Arab Americans and the heavy position of EX-Cubans (etc), I might recommend to the "WASPs" (White Anglo Saxon Protestants) to become more involved in foreign politics and putting THEIR positions and interests into practice. THAT may not be to my liking or the liking of anybody else, but is their simple right. The idea, started by David Ben Gurion, that the interests of Israel and the USA (and the West in general) are the same is complete rubbish.
|Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 25):|
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 7):
The best would be either a federation or an eastern mediterranean "EU". Jerusalem should go under international, neutral control until tensions have disappeared.
Yes I agree with you Jan. Jerusalem needs to be under international control. That way it can be enjoyed by all religious groups.
I favour a compromise, meaning that WEST-Jerusalem should stay fully Israeli, the Wailing Wall should become an extra-territorial Israeli territory (including much of the area outside the elAqsa and the OmarMosque but within the area of the former temple, but EAST Jerusalem (the Arab inhabited areas) to be internationalized with the exception of a few buildings for the Arab Republic of Palestine. All this sounds complicated but definitely IS
|Quoting victrola (Reply 26):|
What should Israel do about its demographic problem?
First of all, "the" Israelis might start with realising WHERE they are
and then look at options like REALLY going forward to establish an Arab Republic of Palestine, which in the framework of a peace-treaty may have to accept Jewish citizens (double-citizens or triple citizens) and going forward in productive solutions like a separated transit-road between the WestBank and Gaza, kept completely separate from Israel by the way of tunnels etc. Going forward to build, in co-operation with the Palestinians, a tunnel from West Jerusalem to the Wailing Wall. Going forward to build, just between the el-Aqsa Mosque and the Wailing Wall, a "copy" of their old Temple. Just imagine, a combination of the old Jerusalem churches, the Wailing Wall, a Temple-Rebuild, the el-Aqsa Mosque and the Omar Mosque !
This would become one of the most important tourist places of the Mediterranean !
|Quoting TheCol (Reply 35):|
foolish for the UN to recognize a Palestinian state that isn't unified.
A) the U.N. should specifically recognize the WestBank/Ramallah Palestine which IS
B) I doubt that there ever will be a REAL re-unification, as there is no real reason. The West Bank and East Jerusalem on one side and the Gaza Territory on the other never had too much in common. They even speak quite a different variant of Arabic. And the WestBank/EastJer. folks culturally and economically and historically are closely linked to Jordan and Syria plus Lebanon, while the Gaza Territory was and is linked to Egypt
|Quoting windy95 (Reply 37):|
give them the right to return to all of the Muslim countries they where expelled from after 47-48. Including rights to lost property. More Jews where exppelled than Arabs that left Israel. Cold hard facts...
A) most Arab countries where Jews came from after 1948 like Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt DO
allow Jewish returnees back "home" and some like Yemen even are actively encouraging Jews in Israel to return.
B) Most Arab (Sephardi) Israelis come from Egypt and the Maghreb, and the Arabic of the Maghrebis is practically not understood by the Palestinians (cold hard fact)
C) I know a Jew who staid on in Cairo until about 1960. He told me that the Jews in Egypt suffered from the state-socialism introduced in the 1950ies. In fact, also Jews around the globe profited from the compensation program started by Anwar Sadat in his "Infitah" program
D) look at it from the other side. People who grew up in flamboyant Tel Aviv, used to a certain prosperity and stability, and to the entertaining life in this great city, do not see much reason to "return" to potentially unstable and at worst evend dangerous, and poor and far from affluent Arab countries. Be practical, and go to any Arab airport and change money. It generally is between acceptable and a nightmare (Damascus Airport to be mentioned) and then go to TLV
airport and use that splendid money-exchange computer in the arrival hall !
|Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 36):|
Then why not return all Israeli immigrants to there mother countries?
NO, not only would this the a DEPORTATION of people who got "immigrated" as children, it simply would be to deport people who chose the Levantine coastline as their home. You might say that they "historically" had no right to move but A) the older ones fled the Nazi controlled German Empire and B) the younger ones fled from countries who at the time in question at the very least disciminated Jews
B) if everybody who had moved from/within the Mediterranean area had to move back "home" chaos would erupt