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Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:06 pm

Spoiler alert, bitches!  

Springbok747 requested we start a thread for BB aficionados so here goes!

I was a latecomer to the series which was good because I caught up with seasons 1 and 2 back-to-back - no interruptions. I love this show and put it up there with 'Sopranos' and 'Lost'. I must confess that I've also been watching the wonderful 'Game of Thrones' on HBO.

There is a lot of brilliant acting on this show, and great cinematography. Trouble is, our hero Walter White is getting more and more unlikeable, though his wife Skyler is even more repugnant.

Hank is on a comeback like a true cowboy from the old Westerns, and Gus, the villain, is chillingly and unforgettably played by Giancarlo Esposito.


So what was your favorite character and episode (The Pontiac Azteca is not a character! ) ? Any guesses on how season 3 will end?


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Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:33 pm

It's an excellent show. I feel addicted to it. Like you I had to catch up on seasons 1-3, and sometimes I would be sleep deprived because I couldn't stop watching. I'd tell myself "ok, just 1 episode before bed".....5 hours later I was still watching.

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
Any guesses on how season 3 will end?

I think you missed a season, the current is season 4.
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Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting flybaurlax (Reply 1):
Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
Any guesses on how season 3 will end?

I think you missed a season, the current is season 4.

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Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
Springbok747 requested we start a thread for BB aficionados so here goes!

Thanks Comorin!   

Yeah..I love this show..absolutely addicted to it!. I love the new season and the direction its heading in. Walt seems to be having problems on all fronts..with Gus, Jesse and now Hank is getting ever closer.

Some thoughts..

I couldn't see the preview for the upcoming episode as AMC said "the video you're trying to view is not available in your country"..darn! Anyway..I am guessing Skyler will do something stupid and drastic to take care of the Ted situation.

Hank is getting so close to the whole thing. I wonder if he already knows Walt is involved in all this or maybe he is genuinely asking Walt for help with the investigation. And when he (Hank) said he'll get "someone else" to drive him..I wonder if he means Walt Jr. That would be the ultimate irony..something happening to Hank and Walt Jr...as a direct result of Walt and his actions.

I simply can't get enough of this show...bring on season 5 already!!
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:41 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
I wonder if he already knows Walt is involved in all this or maybe he is genuinely asking Walt for help with the investigation. And when he (Hank) said he'll get "someone else" to drive him..I wonder if he means Walt Jr.

Yes, I almost felt that Hank was probing Walt in some way - he's quite the fox!

I am hoping that Gus gets his revenge on Hector before anything happens to him. Only 48 hrs to the next episode!
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:48 am

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
Hank is on a comeback like a true cowboy from the old Westerns

Really??? People still think in terms of good guys in white hats vs bad guys?

This show has the audience pulling for a big time drug dealer because it's the only way he can support his family given his medical condition. If your wish for good guy vs bad guy were to come true.. then results in Hank busting Walter and locking him for life at SuperMax or killing him for paralyzing him.

Personally, I like the show, alot. It's written in the same vain as the all-time champ... The Shield. Unlike the old westerns, but reflecting true life, yep some cops (or many) don't necessarily wera white hats and aren't all that good. Some are down right rotten.. but have good hearts when it counts. It reflects us all in a very authentic way -- which many of us will not admit. Like Weeds, it's subtly getting us to understand that all drug dealers are not sleazy guys standing on street corners in the seedy section of town. That like most of the DEA guys Hank works with, love Gus as he's always there to donate to their cause. In the past, I've seen real life situations similar to that per se. And you just STFU because you don't know who stands where and it's just better you not get get caught up in it trying to do 'the right thing'. Drug Kingpins learned a long time ago to morph into legitimate business icons as quickly as possible, they did it when Al Capone was around, they did it when Jesse James was reeking havoc and they did it in 16th century England, etc. It's nothing new.


I think that Vince Gilligan will script it in a way that Walter gets saved by Hank, but he is mortally wounded as he confesses (needlessly) to Hank of his involvment.. - after of course, Walter has gotten in over his head taking on the encroaching Cartel from Mexico. Bring on La Reina Del Sur as the new drug lord..I can get on that for an ending. Or for real twist... Hank gets shafted big time by the DEA (his pension doesn't cover his health care cost) and in the final shoot out, Hank emerges as the new Drug Lord. He has no kids..why not.

Jesse? He (the best actor on the show - he's so damn unpredictable) is toast.. his ego carts him over to Mexico and pays the ultimate price in living in out-of-your-league ignorance.


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Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:28 pm

I really like it, well plotted, well acted, often sustains real tension and despite the subject matter, often very funny.
(Every time Saul Goodman comes on screen in particular).

I accidentally caught some of the pilot of some UK cable channel, but they kept pissing about with it schedule wise and made it impossible to follow.
So I hired series 1 and 2 DVD's from Lovefilm.
But, series 3 was never released here. Seems it won't be, Lovefilm here don't have it.

So I've watched series 3 and 4 by other means, keeping up with the series 4 schedule.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:39 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 5):
Really??? People still think in terms of good guys in white hats vs bad guys?

This show has the audience pulling for a big time drug dealer because it's the only way he can support his family given his medical condition. If your wish for good guy vs bad guy were to come true.. then results in Hank busting Walter and locking him for life at SuperMax or killing him for paralyzing him.

Yes, but Hank vs. Gus in a real High Noon style showdown. I like Westerns!
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:06 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
Hank is getting so close to the whole thing. I wonder if he already knows Walt is involved in all this or maybe he is genuinely asking Walt for help with the investigation. And when he (Hank) said he'll get "someone else" to drive him..I wonder if he means Walt Jr. That would be the ultimate irony..something happening to Hank and Walt Jr...as a direct result of Walt and his actions.

Hank has had the most interesting character evolution over the course of the series.... I think being temporarily crippled played a large part in it. I remember thinking in the pilot that he was a real douche, but Hank despite his flaws is a pretty sharp guy.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 5):
Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
Hank is on a comeback like a true cowboy from the old Westerns

Really??? People still think in terms of good guys in white hats vs bad guys?

There are certainly elements of classical westerns in BB, but I am more thinking along the lines of the Man with No Name trilogy that was very morally ambiguous than a John Wayne style western. BB has gone from having Walt being a sympathetic character to being somebody who is really contemptible. For me that happened early on, once he adopted his Heisenberg personna.... but I think it is really clear this season. Last night's scene between Walt and Walt Jr. really cemented that. It also become pretty clear that Walt Jr. isn't the daddy's boy that he was before either.
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:49 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 8):
I remember thinking in the pilot that he was a real douche, but Hank despite his flaws is a pretty sharp guy.

And so is Skyler, as we ultimately see.

It's a sign of Cranston's excellent acting, the whole Walt arc.
Then again, how he develops was already there, the seeds of it in the writing.
This guy who is an unsatisfied teacher, who to make ends meet also had to work in a car wash. Who before had clearly been a chemist of some repute but had missed out on turning his expertise into real prosperity, unlike his peers.
Who gets lung cancer despite never prior to that smoking in his life.
His ultimate fate now exposes just how he has failed and/or been cheated, out of making the big bucks, meaning once he's gone, the only real success of his life, his family, face penury.

People have 'Broken Bad' for less.

Now, I'm off to watch the latest episode of this superb show.
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:12 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
And so is Skyler, as we ultimately see.

Yes..but if you see the latest episode then we know she's not so bright after all. Ted suddenly getting an inheritance from "Great Aunt Burgit"..and then Skyler confessing it was her all along...oooo...this is not gonna end well. I mean even Saul thinks its a bad idea!

I wonder if he'll use this to blackmail Skyler now..or if Skyler will just get rid of him..finally make use of that ricin Walt has been cooking. I understand where Skyler's at with Ted though. She is essentially a very controlling personality and probably thought that with Ted, if she paid the money, there would be no more problem. She's always controlled the purse strings at home and treated Ted the way she would Walter. She assumed that Ted would do the right thing, and displayed a blindness towards the man's character and nature, much in the way she has displayed a lack of understanding towards the world that Walter is involved with. You can't just leave the meth business unscathed and become an upright citizen. And Walter is too far gone to be that guy anymore. And Ted is a disgusting excuse for a human being. I hope he ends up face down in a ditch somewhere.

What a brilliant show...just keeps getting better and better!
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:50 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 10):
Quoting GDB (Reply 9):
And so is Skyler, as we ultimately see.

Yes..but if you see the latest episode then we know she's not so bright after all. Ted suddenly getting an inheritance from "Great Aunt Burgit"..and then Skyler confessing it was her all along...oooo...this is not gonna end well. I mean even Saul thinks its a bad idea!

On one hand I really don't get all the Skyler hate I see on the internets. Frankly a lot of it comes out pretty misogynistic (not that I think your criticism is). I am not saying that she isn't a flawed character. In fact her greatest flaw, much like Walt's, is pride/ego. Like Walt's drunken speech over dinner earlier this season bad mouthing Gale, Skyler couldn't let Ted take the money and blow it on a flashy new Benz and do a half-baked scheme to restart his company. For either of their talk about trying to be careful, they've both made some very serious errors.

I really want to know, though I doubt we will ever know, what happened to Walt. In several flashbacks over the series we see a young, energetic man. Back in his days in grad school, back when he and Sky first bought the house.... WTH happened to make Walt the sad sack he is today?

What I found amusing in all of this is that the sleazebag lawyer is the best judge of character. He's the only character that I've seen still wearing the blue-green ribbon commemorating the plane crash too.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 10):
And Ted is a disgusting excuse for a human being.

The pretty ones are always dumb.
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:02 pm

I just watched last night's episode, and HOLY CRAP!!!!! The ending was not something I saw coming. I knew that there would be a showdown of some sort with Gus and the Don, but wow! Also, to see Mike get hit, I don't know why but I always kind of felt he was invincible. I doubt he dies but still. Anyways now I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for next week. As always this show is addicting and keeps me wanting more.

I realize this wasn't the most eloquent review/post about this show, but right now I'm pretty much speechless after watching that ending.

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Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 11):
WTH happened to make Walt the sad sack he is today?

I think Walt is bitter with the whole Gretchen and Elliott thing. Walt blames Elliott and Gretchen for stealing his research and becoming millionaires in the process, while here he is..a high school teacher who has cancer and no money (at least in the beginning).

Quoting desertjets (Reply 11):
On one hand I really don't get all the Skyler hate I see on the internets.

Not hating her..just sayin she's got a huge ego as well..even Saul thinks giving Ted the money is a bad idea. And we know what kind of a person Ted is. I wonder if she'll run with the gambling excuse to convince Ted and the IRS about the money. Or you never know..she may decide to take the next step and get rid of Ted.

And was just watching the episode again..did Mike actually aim his gun at Jesse before he (Mike) got shot?! Was he planning to off Jesse?! Wow!
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:24 pm

Great Episode, muchachos!

Would you believe that the last ten minutes minutes my video went off and I had to figure out what was going on from the audio   . D@mn you, Time Warner Cable. Anyway, I'm all caught up now.

Only three episodes left. I hope Skyler drive through the car wash in a convertible with the top down. Better still, maybe Ted will dispatch her in some mysterious way.

I think Gus will live at least until he gets his revenge on Tio. The cruelest scene in the episode was Walt Jr driving around in a PT Cruiser.
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:39 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13):
And was just watching the episode again..did Mike actually aim his gun at Jesse before he (Mike) got shot?! Was he planning to off Jesse?! Wow!

You're right! I just went back and watched that last bit there and he definitely raised his gun at Jesse before being fired upon. That guy came so close so many times it's hard to count!
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:26 pm

To be fair to Skyler, she had to cope with a late, presumably unplanned, pregnancy. Her other child though a good person, is one who has struggled with Cerebral Palsy (the actor also has CP, though not to the extent of needing crutches like his character).
Then the shock of Walt's illness. Only when the baby was born, when Walt was given more time with the (expensive) treatment, could she then start to ponder more his increasingly odd behavior.
(And her sister has, what you might call Kleptomania issues ).

As Saul noted, in the scene with the best line in the series so far, where he equates Walt's choice of women with that of his lawyers, they are a somewhat unlikely couple.
He being the bookish, unassuming, probably shy around women academic type, older than Skyler.
Perhaps as the show progresses we'll get to see more about the formative years of Walt and Skyler's relationship, more of Skyler's back-story.

I think the way season 2 seemed to foretell, in the washed out sequences at the start of each show, a suggestion of the endgame in all this that many viewers suspect, given the actual news items of increasingly indiscriminate Cartel related violence - at least in Mexico so far - only to have at that season's close a completely different explanation for it, was a masterful piece of dramatic TV writing.
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:41 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13):
And was just watching the episode again..did Mike actually aim his gun at Jesse before he (Mike) got shot?! Was he planning to off Jesse?! Wow!

I can't believe I'm thinking about this so much, but while I was on my run I realized that maybe Mike wasn't about to kill Jesse....why would he do that then after Gus had saved Jesse from drinking the poison. Unless maybe they thought he could help until the situation was under control, and then off him.

It would make sense though, because the Mexican lab knows how to cook now, and they don't need Walter in the other lab really. But I guess we'll see what happens.
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:49 am

Quoting flybaurlax (Reply 17):
It would make sense though, because the Mexican lab knows how to cook now, and they don't need Walter in the other lab really. But I guess we'll see what happens.

Yeah..but didn't everyone in the Mexican lab die? As far as Gus is concerned..he's still in charge and Walt and Jesse are his only cooks. At least that's what I thought. I’m guessing that Gus—after a brief hospital stay or a visit with some back-alley, criminal doctor—will be just fine. I mean, without Gus, who’s going to make life hell for Jesse and Walt?

But Gus killing Jesse doesn't make sense though..I mean Jesse has proven he's their boy now..he has shown his loyalty to Mike and Gus..still don't get why they were trying to kill him if that was indeed the case.
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:23 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 18):
But Gus killing Jesse doesn't make sense though..I mean Jesse has proven he's their boy now..he has shown his loyalty to Mike and Gus..still don't get why they were trying to kill him if that was indeed the case.



They could have killed him a thousand times and did not, they know Walt is unreliable for their cause and even though he is doing better healthwise he is not cured, yet.

Jesse will be their only cook and they still need him, maybe at the end of the series Jesse will kill them and take Gus´s part. He learning the business and he has really broken bad for a little criminal he has been before
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:07 pm

Mike promises Jesse earlier in the episode that they all leave together, so I don't think Mike was planning to shoot him?
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:20 am

OK I just watched the new episode tonight and two words: Holy S*#$! Any thoughts about Walt taking his family into the Witness protection program provided by Saul? Does Walt even have the money for it after Skyler gave 600K to Ted?

Other possibilities I've come up with regarding the rest of the season:

--Jesse ends up getting killed, Gus rehires Walt and/or Gus needs Walt for something else and he buys more time as a result.
--Walt confesses to Hank and the DEA, and a formal witness protection program is provided.
--Walt has enough dough to pay for the Saul witness protection program.
--Walt and his family flee ABQ independently.
--Walt discovers his Cancer is back and he's grounded by hospital care

I honestly don't know what to expect but this thread is great so I'd thought I'd join the party. I expect one of the main characters to get killed before the end of the season but obviously it's not clear as to who it might be. I'm leaning towards Hank at this point.
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:19 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
two words: Holy S*#$!

You got that right! I'm still having trouble picking my jaw up off the ground!

Holy c@#! that was the most amazing 10 minutes I've seen on tv..ever. The ending was fan-friggin-tastic! Wow!

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
Does Walt even have the money for it after Skyler gave 600K to Ted?

Nope..clearly he doesn't. And there is no way he can make any more money either (apart from whatever they're making with the carwash)..as Gus fired him.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
--Jesse ends up getting killed, Gus rehires Walt and/or Gus needs Walt for something else and he buys more time as a result.

This is looking pretty likely. I really don't know how they can make this show last another whole season.
Also somebody will die. I just don't know who..I'm also leaning towards Hank. Could be Mike..he's in pretty bad shape at the moment.
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:39 pm

Hey, quite an episode, eh? The show is getting darker and darker, and 'the best laid plans of mice and men' are seriously unraveling. Interesting how the survival instinct always kicks in for Walter when things look their worst...

I don't understand how Walter is so low on cash. $600K to Ted plus $800K to the car wash is only $1.4M; he should have earned a lot more by now.

Well, only two more episodes left, and I suspect there will be a cliffhanger at the end with someone's life on the line.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 22):
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
two words: Holy S*#$!

You got that right! I'm still having trouble picking my jaw up off the ground!

Ditto!

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
esse ends up getting killed, Gus rehires Walt and/or Gus needs Walt for something else and he buys more time as a result.

That makes a lot of sense but Jesse is a main character so I wonder if they'll off him.

I love the way they use hank in the show, messing with the audience's mind! What is he really thinking? Is he on to Walt?

By the way, Did Walt's poor 'horse' (the Azteca) die? That car is so part of the show!
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:09 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 23):
I don't understand how Walter is so low on cash. $600K to Ted plus $800K to the car wash is only $1.4M; he should have earned a lot more by now.

Walt's cancer treatments, Hank's medical treatment, that fancy condo.... plus Walt has only been in the employment of Gus Fring for a relatively short while.

Quoting comorin (Reply 23):
By the way, Did Walt's poor 'horse' (the Azteca) die? That car is so part of the show!

Aztek, not Azteca..... It may be in the shop, while he rocks an awesome Toyota Yaris courtesy of Enterprise rent-a-car.




I feel like Gus grew some serious balls -- but who wouldn't after taking out the entire Salamanca cartel. And that tortuous scene between Gus and Hector. Gus enjoyed every single minute of it.

Oh and that final shot of Walt in the crawl space as he laughed manically with the camera slowly pulling out.... looked like the man was already in his grave.

And remember still 18 episodes left.
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:19 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 23):
By the way, Did Walt's poor 'horse' (the Azteca) die? That car is so part of the show!

I saw a white rental car (like a Toyota or something) parked outside Jesse's house before Walt got zapped and taken to the desert. I wonder the same thing though.

Quoting comorin (Reply 23):


That makes a lot of sense but Jesse is a main character so I wonder if they'll off him.


Same thing about the cash aspect. Walt is supposed to make 7.2 million a year. Perhaps the money is hiding around like at the car wash or random spots.

I feel like someone is due to die this season. It can't be Walt, but Jesse is definitely a possibility as the stakes are high with him. One can even tell the only reason why Gus wants to keep Jesse around is because he knows how to cook, and then he can finally kill off Walt and Hank. Gus knows Walt will cave to Hank if he doesn't kill him off. If Walt gave Hank EVERYTHING then I'm pretty sure he wouldn't turn him in, rather but him and his family into a fed based witness protection program. Hank owes Walt for taking care of his ongoing pricey medical bills.

BUT: Jesse got lucky in Mexico cooking the recipe for the cartel. He only knows the motions, he's truly a dumb ass at heart. If Jesse screws up in the lab (which it could very well happen because he's a scatter brain) Gus has no choice but to take back Walt as his primary cook.

Walt's cancer could also come back -- not sure how that could be tied in but it's been rumored for a while. Again, mark my words someone is going to die. It's probably going to be Jesse but it could also be Hank.
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:55 pm

I've just watched it too, they certainly know how to ramp it up!

Aside from the cliff hanger, I thought Gustavo's mental torture of the last of the Salamanca's was impressive.
Hell of an actor that guy. Considering the part does not allow for speech or much in the way of movement.

Saul doesn't get to make many wisecracks this season.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:43 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 24):
Aztek, not Azteca.

  

Quoting desertjets (Reply 24):
And that tortuous scene between Gus and Hector. Gus enjoyed every single minute of it.

I'm trying to figure out the reference to 'Bridge on the River Kwai' that Hector was watching.

Quoting GDB (Reply 26):
Hell of an actor that guy. Considering the part does not allow for speech or much in the way of movement.

Giancarlo Esposito (Gus) in now IMO in the same league as James Gandolfini and Sir Anthony Hopkins. This is acting at its sensational best.

The Skyler stuff is really going nowhere - enough already!

I'd like to rewatch the show for the little details. I think Hank knows more than he is letting on...
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 27):
I'm trying to figure out the reference to 'Bridge on the River Kwai' that Hector was watching.

Wasn't that the scene just before the bridge blows up..and one of the characters says "what have I done?". I'm wondering if Hector is now thinking what he has done to Gus (killing his partner Max down in Mexico all those years ago). Brilliant acting by him BTW..even though he doesn't say any words, his facial expressions are absolutely amazing. I also wonder why he hasn't used his bell in a while..I miss that "ting ting ting" haha.

Also did anyone else notice the marks on Ted's door? It looks like it has been damaged and has been painted to cover it up. Sorta like Ted and his life! Ahhh..maybe I'm reading too much into these things!

Other little things I love about this show...vacuums keep popping up in Breaking Bad, from the one that Walt once used to hide his drug money to the robotic Roomba that kept running through Jesse's house parties earlier this season. So it's fitting that Walt needs to call a fake vacuum-fixing company to help make his family disappear. There's always been a quality to this show's obsession with cleaning. Between the car wash and the Los Pollos laundry and that Hoover guy, everyone's trying desperately to wash up his mess and get that damned spot out.

Quoting comorin (Reply 27):
I think Hank knows more than he is letting on...

For sure. I mean..come on. Alarm bells should be ringing the moment Walt didn't turn into the laundry. Also Hank mutters "I saw that car coming a mile away" after his accident when Walt claims he didn't see the pickup.

What's confusing to me is, why did Gus tell Walt he intended to have Hank killed, and then threaten his family if he intefered? Why not just kill Hank without telling anyone? Doesn't make too much sense unless it's not just business but revenge...for Gale? And why exactly does Walt have to die? He tried his best to keep Hank away from the business and the cartel is not around to "sense weakness" that Walt's shenanigans originally caused.

So is killing Walt now about revenge and not business? I didn't sense Gus and Gale were that close, but I guess it's possible.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:06 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 28):
Wasn't that the scene just before the bridge blows up..and one of the characters says "what have I done?". I'm wondering if Hector is now thinking what he has done to Gus (killing his partner Max down in Mexico all those years ago). Brilliant acting by him BTW..even though he doesn't say any words, his facial expressions are absolutely amazing. I also wonder why he hasn't used his bell in a while..I miss that "ting ting ting" haha.

Makes sense - I miss the "ting ting ting" too!

There are some missing story lines that need to be filled before anybody gets bumped off:

1. How did Hector become paralyzed?
2. What was Gus doing in Chile?
3. Was it the Ricin in Jesse's possession that ended up in the poisoned Tequila?

What a cruel twist of fate- Walt's hard-earned money goes to the IRS (needlessly, since Ted got bumped off).

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 28):
What's confusing to me is, why did Gus tell Walt he intended to have Hank killed, and then threaten his family if he intefered?

To put the fear of God in Walt. Walt has become a loose cannon, and he is reckless enough where he is not afraid to die. Threatening his family is the only way of silencing him. I don't think Gus wants to risk killing a brother-in-law of a DEA agent, or freaking Jesse out.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:34 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 28):
What's confusing to me is, why did Gus tell Walt he intended to have Hank killed, and then threaten his family if he intefered? Why not just kill Hank without telling anyone? Doesn't make too much sense unless it's not just business but revenge...for Gale? And why exactly does Walt have to die?

Probably because Gus doesn't have it all figured out yet. A kill on Hank has to be discrete, it can't just be roll up to his house and kill him and his wife in broad daylight. Gus is a major donor to the DEA so he has to play his cards right. The DEA doesn't fully believe all of Hank's hypothesis yet either -- as of right now, they still think Gus is more or less not connected to the cartel.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 30):
The DEA doesn't fully believe all of Hank's hypothesis yet either -- as of right now, they still think Gus is more or less not connected to the cartel.

True, those who shot Hank are dead, so if he got killed inevitably the DEA would sit up and take notice of Hank's ideas, fuelled by a cold, vengeful fury.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 29):
2. What was Gus doing in Chile?

It would seem Gus is from Chile, then to Mexico then the US. Though there could be more there from the interview with the DEA (there is no record of you in Chile...).

Very impatiently waiting for next week now!
No money to buy their way out... Walt n Family are stuck... Ted's dead, no way to get the money back (or IS the cheque in the mail??? All we see is it in a UPS envelope, then Ted goes running and whack... Then in front of Saul SAYING it's in the mail... hmmm?

And where did the rest of the money go??? 7.5 million doesn't evaporate?
under 1 million for the carwash
under 700k to Ted
Maybe 2 million to Hank's bills.
65k on the challenger episode...
so maybe 3.75 to 4 million gone, where is the other half?
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:51 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 32):
And where did the rest of the money go??? 7.5 million doesn't evaporate?
under 1 million for the carwash
under 700k to Ted
Maybe 2 million to Hank's bills.
65k on the challenger episode...
so maybe 3.75 to 4 million gone, where is the other half?

Walt isn't sitting on the 7.5 million just yet. Remember that the time between individual episodes on BB is often days and barely more than a year has passed since the series began. So while Walt has a lot of money, he doesn't have a lot of a lot of money. Plus we have no idea how much Hank's treatment has cost.
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Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:56 pm

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 32):
And where did the rest of the money go??? 7.5 million doesn't evaporate?
under 1 million for the carwash
under 700k to Ted
Maybe 2 million to Hank's bills.
65k on the challenger episode...
so maybe 3.75 to 4 million gone, where is the other half?
Quoting desertjets (Reply 33):
Walt isn't sitting on the 7.5 million just yet. Remember that the time between individual episodes on BB is often days and barely more than a year has passed since the series began. So while Walt has a lot of money, he doesn't have a lot of a lot of money. Plus we have no idea how much Hank's treatment has cost.

  


Walt hasn't been working for a whole year to make that money. Plus he's had his cancer treatments, Hank's treatment, the Challenger he blew up etc. Now that Gus has fired him, there is no way he can make any more money (other than whatever their profits are at the carwash). So in a way..Walt has ended up where he began..without any money, except now he's in a whole heap of trouble.
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Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:46 pm

HO-KAY, it's the season finale tonight!

Will anyone get bumped off? My bet is that no one except Mike will bite the dust. I would like Walter to become Heisenberg again and just put everyone in their place.

Talk to you guys after the show!
 
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Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:38 pm

Yeah..season finale! I saw a sneak peek..Walt seems to be talking to Jesse about putting explosives in the lab. Don't see what the point of this is..Gus won't be going down to his lab anytime soon.
I have a feeling Mike is going to help Jesse and Walt get rid of Gus. Gus has to bite the dust this season..can't see him surviving for season 5. I think Season 5 will be Heisenberg taking over the whole Meth trade from Gus.

One observation from last week's episode..when they're talking in the hospital's chapel, Gus tells Jesse that he can help Brock. "I am on the board of this hospital," he says. "I can recommend doctors, get the best treatment." Is he threatening Jesse, letting him know that, if he doesn't return to the lab soon, Gus can decide whether or not Brock survives? Or is he just offering his services in order to get Jesse back more quickly?

Gawd..I LOVE this show!
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Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:32 pm

Damn, wish this was a 2-hour finale...that's what a show this brilliant deserves.

I too was trying to parse what Gus meant when he talked about being on the board of the hospital. I am inclined to believe that Gus had nothing to do with Brock's condition - maybe a red herring?

Anyway, all will be know tonight! Enjoy!
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:34 am

Holy shhhh....

Yeah, that was good. It almost felt like it could have been a series finale, but there are 16 more to go.
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:10 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 38):
Holy shhhh....

Yeah, that was good. It almost felt like it could have been a series finale, but there are 16 more to go.

   A terrific series. Vince Gilligan said that they had to write it as if it were the end of the series as they were in negotiations with AMC.

SPOILERS AHEAD!


I watched the episode twice and it was just very satisfying. Gus got a Terminator style send-off which was just perfect. We heard the DING DING DING for the last time from our beloved Tio Salamanca. My only regret was that we di not get chance to say goodbye to Walt's Aztek.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 38):
It almost felt like it could have been a series finale

Had exactly the same feeling... (especially when they shook hands)

Really great final indeed. Wondering what the next 16 episodes will be about. Staying out of trouble with the DEA?

I'm still wondering were the ricin did go, any ideas? (never believed Gus would have used to poison that kid, though)
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:23 pm

Quoting sf260 (Reply 40):
Really great final indeed. Wondering what the next 16 episodes will be about. Staying out of trouble with the DEA?

More spoilers.....

As much as this episode could have been a decent finale, there feel like so many loose ends. You've got the body count to deal with.... why was Hector Salamanca and Gus Fring in the same room and you've got the burnt up superlab/laundry to deal with. And let's not overlook the fact that Walt poisoned Brock. ANNNNNDD that whole Jesse, Ricin, APD/FBI business. Let's not forget that our friend Mike is still sitting in Mexico. What's he gonna do now that his employer is deceased

And speaking of the "face off" scene (I love how the episode names work in this show).... for the briefest second I thought Gus was really a terminator style robot (must have been some sort of secret Chilean super soldier project). Still badass. I'll miss his character, I had almost turned and began rooting for him.
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:23 pm

Quoting sf260 (Reply 40):
I'm still wondering were the ricin did go, any ideas?

I imagine Walt sneaked it away - we'll know next season!

The Lily of the Valley in Walt's backyard was blooming but I did not see any red berries on it.

So Walt is getting creepier and creepier, as he finds his inner Heisenberg...
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:51 pm

It was fantastic. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. The nursing home bombing scene was brilliance.

Looking forward, I would imagine the future of the show largely resides within DEA affairs (Hank's hypothesis is almost dead on at this point) and Walt will likely get caught up in either DEA affairs, with Witness Protection Program as an exchange -- OR -- Walt gets sucked back into cooking for the cartel as the money is good and he'd have a ton of power along with Jesse. Remember, they still have that car wash   I think Walt is a bit too evil at this point to wimp out to the DEA though.
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:05 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 41):
As much as this episode could have been a decent finale, there feel like so many loose ends. You've got the body count to deal with.... why was Hector Salamanca and Gus Fring in the same room and you've got the burnt up superlab/laundry to deal with. And let's not overlook the fact that Walt poisoned Brock. ANNNNNDD that whole Jesse, Ricin, APD/FBI business. Let's not forget that our friend Mike is still sitting in Mexico. What's he gonna do now that his employer is deceased

I think all the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place for Hank - the only missing piece being Walt. If this season was keeping us on the edge of our seats with Gus vs Walt, then the next season might be

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 43):
Walt gets sucked back into cooking for the cartel as the money is good

Isn't the cartel history, thanks to Gus? I'm wondering about Mike too, wonder how he will adjust to the new reality.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:33 pm

WOW! What an ending. Could have been a series finale and I would've been happy with it!

Quoting sf260 (Reply 40):
Really great final indeed. Wondering what the next 16 episodes will be about. Staying out of trouble with the DEA?

I think Heisenberg is going to take over the business..though don't know where they're going to cook now that the lab is destroyed. Or maybe they'll spend the whole season cleaning up the mess...

Quoting desertjets (Reply 41):
And speaking of the "face off" scene (I love how the episode names work in this show).... for the briefest second I thought Gus was really a terminator style robot (must have been some sort of secret Chilean super soldier project). Still badass. I'll miss his character, I had almost turned and began rooting for him.

  

Loved it. When I saw Gus walk out..I though..s$%^ not again..is there nothing that can kill this guy? But I love how he adjusted his tie and then just collapsed. Hector Salamanca did have the last laugh..he had no reason to live now that Gus had killed all his family. What better way to go than take Gus with him?

But there are still some unanswered questions though..

Where is Mike? Will he ever come back?
What/who put Hector Salamanca in a wheelchair - paralyzed?
Who took Jesse's ricin?

Hank is getting so so close to the whole thing. I just want to see his face if/when it is revealed that Walt is Heisenberg.

Season 5 is probably a year away...ahhh..too long!
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:55 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 45):
But there are still some unanswered questions though..

Where is Mike? Will he ever come back?
What/who put Hector Salamanca in a wheelchair - paralyzed?
Who took Jesse's ricin?

Hank is getting so so close to the whole thing. I just want to see his face if/when it is revealed that Walt is Heisenberg.

Season 5 is probably a year away...ahhh..too long!

Which gives me plenty of hope the final 16 will be good.



The big loose end for me is the whole Ted/Skyler/IRS payoff/hitting his head on the credenza deal. Its a b-plot story that I know a lot of people didn't like, but I see it coming back.

Hank will be on the case, especially as the dots start getting connected. Why Gus was visiting w/ a known Mexican cartel guy, why the laundry that Hank suspected was hiding a lab burned?

The whole Walt/Jesse dynamic still has a ton of potential. Did Walt poison the kid? Does Jesse eventually find out Walt's role in Jane's death?

Has Walt's cancer come back?


Its going to be a long year for sure.
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:35 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 45):
Season 5 is probably a year away...ahhh..too long!




[quote=desertjets,reply=46]Its going to be a long year for sure.

Looks like TV is going to be a wasteland for the next 8 months! Do you guys have any suggestions? Dexter is OK but not what it used to be - though its cool that we get to see Edward James Olmos on it. Also watching Homeland and Person of Interest.

I really liked The Killing and Game of Thrones but have to wait too for those to return.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:59 pm

Excellent, the how did Gus survive the blast..........oh wait he hasn't scene was a typically masterful piece from this show.
(For a second in that scene I actually thought of how Hitler survived the 20th July 1944 bombing, is this a similar thing........no, Gus is toast, at least on one side).

I do think the next season should be the last though, Walt's cancer progression is only delayed/slowed, there is the possibility of Jesse finding out about Walt's complicity in his girlfriend's death as well as the poisoning of Brock (death bed confession?)
Could the next season be about the links of all this mayhem to Walt, despite all the precautions, slowly coming into view, of his Brother In Law at least?

Such a good show. Almost unknown in the UK sadly.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:46 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 45):
Loved it. When I saw Gus walk out..I though..s$%^ not again..is there nothing that can kill this guy? But I love how he adjusted his tie and then just collapsed. Hector Salamanca did have the last laugh..he had no reason to live now that Gus had killed all his family. What better way to go than take Gus with him?

DING DING DING. Totally agree. That whole scene was just a masterpiece. And when Walt came to rescue Jesse and said, "We've got work to do", I totally thought they would continue cooking! Won't make any predictions on the next season as everyone who has made them so far, was totally wrong. But I do hope Walt takes over Gus's business as being a bad ass totally suits his persona.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 45):
What/who put Hector Salamanca in a wheelchair - paralyzed?

I personally think Hector most likely had a stroke, from his "unhealthy" cartel lifestyle.

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