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Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?

Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:28 pm

Simple question. So much anti-Israel voices out there.

Let's say we get a two state solution that works....
Let's say you, for some reason, had to move to the region...

Where would you decide to live? The New Israel or the new Palestine? Why?
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:40 pm

I guess it all depends on what your concept of the 'New Israel' is.
If I'm going to live there for a short period, say 2-3 years, then it would not matter much to me. But I'd probably pick Israel-life there is much easier, reliable facilities and public services etc. I certainly don't think life in Palestine (even if it's the West Bank as opposed to Gaza) would be an easy ordeal. But that's only if I had to pick-if I had a choice I would not pick either one.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:07 pm

Might be one of the easiest questions I have ever answered: Israel.
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:09 pm

If it was viable, I'd buy a nice place in Beit Sahur (West Bank town/municipality beside Bethlehem) and live there permanently. It's small and quiet, the people are great, climate is perfect, and it is within walking distance to Bethlehem and Jerusalem.
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RE: Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?

Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:37 pm

Since nobody is making land distribution decisions based on who might move to the area in the future, I don't really see how this thread is relevant.

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Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:25 pm

Israel hands down. The Palestinian side I went to was sketchy, to say the least. Have nothing against Palestinians in general, but I did feel a bit uncomfortable in their land.
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:38 pm

probably Israel if I could live in Haifa or Tel Aviv, if I had to live with the Haredi, it would be like living with Jewish Hamas.
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:48 pm

I wouldn't want to live in either to be honest. Too unstable and there will always be troubles there. Ok for short visits but thats all. Tel Aviv is a nice clean city with nice beaches and I enjoyed my visits there but then I enjoy anywhere I visit in the Middle East. The best country in the region is Lebanon hands down . Food ,culture and the people. A very special land indeed.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:11 pm

Maybe the question should be , if the Palestinian state was in complete 1967 borders with E. Jerusalem as their capital, this is what the PA is advocating.

I would choose Israel. Superior medical care, education, infrastructure, and economy. The israeli economy is light years ahead of its neighbors.
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:54 am

I got a question for you too:
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?
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RE: Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?

Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:09 am

Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):

I got a question for you too:
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?


Interesting question, but not related to this thread.
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:48 am

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10):
Interesting question, but not related to this thread.

I can see the link . Occupied land so I guess its not totally unrelated.

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
So much anti-Israel voices out there.

A lot of Anti Arab and Palestinian voices out there also .
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:17 am

At present Israel has more to offer in terms of educational, medical and cultural facilities, so that may play a part in the choice. The decision may also depend on what sort of Palestinian State came into being. Is it one that adopts a democratic system based on freedom of religion and equality before the law regardless of age, sex, ethnicity, etc? Even Israel is not perfect in this area as there were claims made of discrimination against those Jews who don't fit into the dominant Ashkenazic culture. But then, no country is perfect.

A lot would be dependent on the reason for moving. If one were appointed to an IT company in Petah Tikva then one would naturally live there. If one was working with an aid agency or providing infrastructure to the new Palestinian State it would make sense to live there. It may also depend on who is doing the moving: a returning Palestinian or a returning Jew.

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Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:22 am

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10):
Interesting question, but not related to this thread.

It's the same sort of question you asked.

If you're trying to imply that Israel provides a higher standard of living to its citizens than Palestine does (which I don't think anyone would dispute), and thus should retain control of the disputed land in some sort of scheme to "bring civilization to the uncivilized", you're missing the point entirely. You might have heard the phrase "it's not much, but it's home". The same thing applies here - remember that the whole reason Israel exists in the first place is that it was meant to be a home for the Jews. Israel is not a home for the Palestinians for a variety of reasons, some innate and some as a result of the way the Palestinians have been treated by Israel in the past. And while most people without a connection to the area would probably choose to live in Israel, most of the people living in Palestine (who are the only ones who are really relevant to this discussion) would likely choose to continue to do so. I know I would if I were in that position.

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Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:44 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
most of the people living in Palestine (who are the only ones who are really relevant to this discussion) would likely choose to continue to do so. I know I would if I were in that position.

To Israel's luck. If the Palestinians were to ask for equality and the right to vote, Israel as a jewish state would be done. That's why the two-state-solution is first and foremost in Israel's interest. The Palestinians are not going to cling on to the dream of their own state forever, and eventually they'll realize that one state with a majority of Arabs and a minority of Jews beats the status Quo by a lot.
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:49 am

Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?

rather compare that with communist CSSR, in all three you had little choice. The closest you get with your question is Gaza which compares pretty much.

Best answer is that about a million Palestinians with Israeli passports answer that question every day: Israel

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Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:12 am

that should read USSR of course, sorry neighbours....
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:12 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 9):
Where would you rather live if you had to chose, Nazi Germany or Nazi Occupied Poland circa 1941?

Well since I am Jewish I'd be very very dead either way, it is sort of a Hobson's choice. Were I German, I'd prefer Germany since Nazi ideology considered slavs sub-human.
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:09 pm

It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not. Assuming (big assumption I know) normalising of relations between the two, and plenty of time for Palestine to develop, then it would make no difference.

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Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:10 pm

Hebron, Palestine only because I would feel guilty living on stolen Palestinian land (all of israel).

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
Best answer is that about a million Palestinians with Israeli passports answer that question every day: Israel

Or maybe they were the few that weren't forced out of their land in 1948. I'd like to see how easy it is for palestinians in the West Bank to get into Israel.
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:06 am

Quoting racko (Reply 14):
the two-state-solution is first and foremost in Israel's interest.

How true! Couldn't have said it better.

Let me broaden the question:

If you are a woman, where would you rather live?
If you are gay, where would you rather live?
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:59 am

Quoting signol (Reply 18):

More importantly, what bearing is it supposed to have? I wouldn't want to live in Kenya, but that in no way means that Kenyans shouldn't have their own country. Like I always say about where I grew up: if it wasn't my hometown, I'd hate the place.
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:56 am

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not. Assuming (big assumption I know) normalising of relations between the two, and plenty of time for Palestine to develop, then it would make no difference.

   With western money poured into Israel it is hardly surprising that their cities seem more attractive than Ramallah. But are they more attractive than say Abu Dhabi? Money does tend to talk.
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:33 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 22):
With western money poured into Israel it is hardly surprising that their cities seem more attractive than Ramallah. But are they more attractive than say Abu Dhabi? Money does tend to talk.

Abu Dhabi is bult with islamic oil-money ... The Emirates and other islamic countries are free to pour as much moiney into Palestine as they wish.

I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s, so I for myself made the decission who's wrong and who's right ... my choice is clear: Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Beirut as well though.
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:59 pm

Quoting lh526 (Reply 23):
I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s, so I for myself made the decission who's wrong and who's right ... my choice is clear: Israel. I wouldn't mind living in Beirut as well though.

Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:54 pm

Quoting lh526 (Reply 23):
Abu Dhabi is bult with islamic oil-money ..

You presumably mean with Abu Dhabi oil money? What is the nature of the problem with that????

Or do you suppose it came from SA??? Where did the money for Israel come from? You do not seem to want to answer that question.
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting zalemam (Reply 24):
Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.

Which creates a circle because since he did not block Gaza he would fully support Israel firing back into Gaza because he was hurt for something he did not do, those hurt in Gaza as a result of the retaliation will then fire another rocket into Israel because of their hurt and on and on we go.
Does derail the initial thread question though.
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:32 am

Quoting zalemam (Reply 24):
Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.

I'm sorry but I hate when people say that. I say this as someone with a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause, but well, it is like a husband saying to his wife after he slapped her around, "You see, if you weren't such a bitchy harridan, you wouldn't have caused me to lose it and slap you around!"

That is bs logic, even though the Palestinians have legitimate grievances, they no more have the right to bomb innocent civilians who happen to be Israeli as the Israelis do when they do it to the Palestinians.

Put simply as my mother would say, and probably yours too. "Two wrongs don't make a right!"
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:29 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 25):
You presumably mean with Abu Dhabi oil money? What is the nature of the problem with that????

Or do you suppose it came from SA??? Where did the money for Israel come from? You do not seem to want to answer that question.

I was responding to the bashing that "Israel is being held up with western money" that is a fact and totally OK with me.
I don't see a problem with other eastern countries (Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Syria ... whoever) pouring money into Palestine.

Quoting zalemam (Reply 24):

Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.

Answering the fact that a strip of land is blockaded by firing rockets on innocent people living in the country responsible for the blockade is a totally off-the-line response in my eyes. Hey, Hamas und Fatah don't even get their peace together Gaza and started civil wars within Gaza.
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:10 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 14):
To Israel's luck. If the Palestinians were to ask for equality and the right to vote, Israel as a jewish state would be done. That's why the two-state-solution is first and foremost in Israel's interest. The Palestinians are not going to cling on to the dream of their own state forever, and eventually they'll realize that one state with a majority of Arabs and a minority of Jews beats the status Quo by a lot.

If present trends continue, this exactly what is going to happen. With every passing day, Israel settlements grow, making any separation of the West Bank from Israel increasingly difficult. Unless they are planning a massive ethnic cleansing of the West Bank, Israel is cutting its one throat with its current settlement policies.
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:31 pm

Is this thread serious? Please tell me you're just BS'ing us with this hypothetical....
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:05 pm

Neither.

And if I was forced to pick, I would pick the one that isn't ruled by complete nutjobs that benefit from the Status Quo and actually ecourage the mess further on while preaching the opposite. Meaning, none of those countries.
 
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:38 am

I would choose Israel , hands down.
in my opinion , you can't compare Palistine and Israel as countries.
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:55 am

Frankly I'd rather run over my tadger with a lawn mower before moving to either !

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Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:33 am

The More Democratic of the two......But Currently I'm Enjoying Living in INDIA .....The World in one country.  
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RE: Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:23 pm

Quoting signol (Reply 18):
It is a bit of a stupid question, as one has plenty of 1st world infrastructure and the other does not

Very stupid question infact, its like asking someone would they like to live in Beverly Hills or South Central L.A. How about comparing Dubai and Yemen, or Apples and Oranges.

Obviously a lame atttempt to win favourable comments for Israel considering the bashing its getting in other discussions regarding Palestine issue, barring a few supporters.

[Edited 2011-09-27 14:25:48]
 
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RE: Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:52 am

Well, neither israel nor West Jordan or Gaza have oil. The main resource in both are brains. Usually, the distribution is proprotionally equal, Palestinians are no more stupid than Israeli.

Whereas at least in the part that could be called Hamastan, a radical organisation keeps the more educated part of the population from accepting that there is a country called Israel with which one can live in pease and develope the local economy in gaza, the Israelis can do what they want and have developed a high tech country over the past decades.

Hamastan keep their people on donkey cart level. Send the radicals into the sea, it would work. Imagine Germans would still be shooting at Poland at 5h45 in the morning.
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:04 am

Quoting lh526 (Reply 23):
I for my part was hurt in a Qassam rocket attack on Israel in the early 2000s/quote]


[quote=zalemam,reply=24]
Do you not ask the question of why that rocket might have been fired? These rockets are not fired because they're 'Islamist'. Maybe you should have thought to your self, if Israel wasn't blockading Gaza then this rocket would have likely not been fired and wouldn't have injured you.

        

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2...present_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

Zalemam, if you are going to make a statement, check your facts, or at least your wording. lh526 said that he was hurt in an attack in the early 2000s. The blockade of Gaza has only been going on since 2007 which does not count as early 2000s.

Furthermore, the Qassams from Lebanon fired in the early 2000s were mainly against Israel's "occupation" of the Golan Heights.

I would not mind educating you further via private message, however doing so via this thread would very quickly cause it to steer far off the topic.

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RE: Would You Rather Live In Israel Or In Palestine?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:41 pm

I am currently reading Sari Nusseibeh's memoirs about growing up Palestinian, in it he mentions the unreality of taking an El Al flight shortly after 1967. Colleagues in London where he was an up and coming academic persuaded Israel to let him fly to Tel-Aviv to go to now occupied East Jerusalem to visit family.

He writes about the unreality of hearing Hebrew and mixing with people he grew up to hate, but then he mentions the "admittedly gorgeous Israeli stewardesses," so there you have it straight from a Palestinian.

Israel = hotter women, ergo I'd rather live in Israel.
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