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Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:25 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15045816

So Medvedev was nothing more than a placeholder who held down the fort while Putin planned his return.

If he wins democracy in Russia will officially have died.....
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:32 pm

Long live the Russian democracy!

Or is Russian democracy an oxymoron?
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:36 pm

The Norwegian newspaper VG had an article about it. I had to laugh, because they also had a poll at the end of the article, and their poles are usually serious, where the question was "Who will be the next president of Russia" and there were two options, A: Vladimir Putin and B: Vladimir Putin

With the control of the media in Russia, I can't see Putin losing.

Democracy at its best.

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):
If he wins democracy in Russia will officially have died.....

Normally I'd say this is true if Putin's win is arranged through fraud and blackmail, you know...the traditional ways many rulers keep winning. HOWEVER, Russians are given the choice in front of a ballot. While it is unethical, it's one of the many loopholes democracy has. It's up to Russians to see if they are willing to let Putin rule them again or whether they'll pick another person. Odds are that Putin will win again.
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):

So Medvedev was nothing more than a placeholder who held down the fort while Putin planned his return.

If he wins democracy in Russia will officially have died.....

I had the exact same thought when I saw this in the news this morning.

Looks like they put Medvedev with Putin as his PM (Medvedev being the underdog) so Putin could be re-running for another Presidential bid and be re-elected President of Russia for another term. The way they are doing this he might even end up President for life. This is dangerous.

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:44 pm

I guess that explains unusual amount of macho-Putin pictures we've had to endure the last years, he's been preparing an image and the groundwork for another presidential bid.

Of course, this should be 0% surprise for everyone.

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:08 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 5):
I guess that explains unusual amount of macho-Putin pictures we've had to endure the last years, he's been preparing an image and the groundwork for another presidential bid.

Of course, this should be 0% surprise for everyone.

  


Absolutely, election laws that were written to make this possible. Not much change from the old days, a ruling Clique.
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:06 am

The man joined the KGB in 1975 after he graduated from Univversity then joined the KGB school.

On 25 July 1998 Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin head of the FSB (one of the successor agencies to the KGB), the position Putin occupied until August 1999.

On 9 August 1999, Vladimir Putin was appointed one of three First Deputy Prime Ministers, which enabled him later on that day, as the previous government led by Sergei Stepashin had been sacked, to be appointed acting Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation by President Boris Yeltsin.[46] Yeltsin also announced that he wanted to see Putin as his successor. Later, that same day, Putin agreed to run for the presidency.[47] On 16 August, the State Duma approved his appointment as Prime Minister with 233 votes in favour (vs. 84 against, 17 abstained),[48] while a simple majority of 226 was required, making him Russia's fifth PM in fewer than eighteen months.

He has built a large personal wealth. See the wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

I don't see how they will ever get rid of him. He is an Absolute Monarch.

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:27 am

A reporter and his experiences in Russia;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/luke-harding-russia

No surprise that the 'O.G.' Tony Sopranoski is being fixed into being President again.
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:53 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
A reporter and his experiences in Russia;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/23/luke-harding-russia

No surprise that the 'O.G.' Tony Sopranoski is being fixed into being President again.

I think you will like reading Robert Eringer's blog. Eringer was a former CIA agent hired by Prince Albert of Monaco and later dismissed.

He has some quite good information on 'Polonium' Putin and his political opponents.
http://www.eringer33.com/

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:04 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 5):
I guess that explains unusual amount of macho-Putin pictures we've had to endure the last years, he's been preparing an image and the groundwork for another presidential bid.

Of course, this should be 0% surprise for everyone.

And with the Constitutional changes in Russia, 2 6 year terms, he can be President until 2024...
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:14 am

I'm in Russia a lot, if you actually talk to Russians they like him, they keep voting for him, they have the choice not to vote for him, whilst Russia is booming they will continue to vote for him. Plus Russians have always liked strong leaders, Putin is a strong leader.
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:18 am

A country like Russia needs a strong handed leader like Putin. It's too big and very difficult to control. Local governors of remote territories tend to play their own game. A person like Putin (whom they fear) would keep them on the leash. I'm sure he is using his position for personal gains as well, but would we want someone new to come in and start from 0, or wouldn't it be better to have someone who already stole enough? Democracy , freedom of speech? I think Russia's priority is its economy and welfare of its citizens rather than freedoms at this point.
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:03 am

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):
If he wins democracy in Russia will officially have died.....

Did it ever really exist?
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:54 am

Quoting kevin (Reply 12):
Local governors of remote territories tend to play their own game.

So what?

Yugoslavia broke up into several little countries and we accepted them and they were officially recognized as their own nations. Look at Kosovo, Slovenia, Montenegro, Bosnia, etc. I don't see why the same should not be with the provinces who are part of the Russian Federation.

Why did we accept those and not wish the independence of those Russian Federation provinces who wish to become independent, whether Vladimir Putin likes it or not. Let them secede and be their own countries.

     
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:47 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
So what?

Ok then why don't we just give independence to everyone who wants it? Let's give it to Mindanao in Philipines, Kurdistan in Turkey, Quebec in Canada, Basque in Spain... Let's do it. What will the world be like then? Seeing how easy it is to get independence u will have a spike in ethnic conflicts and civil wars. But hey so what?
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
the question was "Who will be the next president of Russia" and there were two options, A: Vladimir Putin and B: Vladimir Putin

     
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
I don't see how they will ever get rid of him. He is an Absolute Monarch.

People get the government they deserve.

Quoting kevin (Reply 12):
A country like Russia needs a strong handed leader like Putin. It's too big and very difficult to control.

Oh, and exactly who gets to decide when a country is too big and needs a "strong handed leader"?

Quoting kevin (Reply 12):
Local governors of remote territories tend to play their own game.

Actually, one of the first things Putin did was made all the governorships appointments instead of elected positions.

Quoting kevin (Reply 15):
Seeing how easy it is to get independence u will have a spike in ethnic conflicts and civil wars.

And yet we have the example of many former Soviet "SSRs" like the Baltic states having absolutely no such problems.
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:28 pm

Yes Putin is popular, yes there is a tradition, for historical reasons of a liking of strong leaders.
However, do the opposition get fair hearings in the media? Can they go about the business unmolested by arms of the state? Is their any real media plurality? How many journalists keep on having the temerity to get themselves murdered?
Why are some gangster oligarchs OK with Putin and others not - as in ending up in jail 'not'.
And why despite the clear wealth in places like Moscow and St Petersburg (or parts of them) are there large ares of Russia with Sub-Saharan Africa style life expectancies? That's not a very 'United Russia' to name Putin's own party.
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:20 pm

One of the biggest jokes in international politics was the remark by former German chancellor Schroeder citing Putin as a "flawless democrat".

That is one of these jokes where the initial laughter freezes deep down in the throat. Well Putin has Schroeder on the payroll, so what can one expect. Like many others. And the old wisdom will always be valid, a democratic leader is not made by elections only. A leader can be called "democratic" only if he yields power in free and democratic elections, without tricks but with checks and balances.
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:16 pm

Quoting kevin (Reply 12):
I think Russia's priority is its economy and welfare of its citizens rather than freedoms at this point.

Good point. Iа the two would have run against each other, Medvedev would have my vote. Now that they are on the same ballot, Putin has got it. As long as I see my life improving on a daily basis in Russia they will get my vote.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Why did we accept those and not wish the independence of those Russian Federation provinces who wish to become independent, whether Vladimir Putin likes it or not. Let them secede and be their own countries.

Because it is usually outside forces that are fueling these fires.
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:41 pm

What?!? No one has yet offered up the most appropriate movie line for this?

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The Emperor: (to the Senate) In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire, for a safe and secure society which I assure you will last for ten thousand years.
(Senate fills with enormous applause)
Padmé: So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.

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Quoting GDB (Reply 17):
Why are some gangster oligarchs OK with Putin and others not - as in ending up in jail 'not'.

Simple: Those oligarchs that sublimate appropriately, provide "offerings or donations" (why do you think Putin is worth some $40bln?) AND do not challenge his power will do fine, those that do not pay or challenge him.... ehh no so much.

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:23 pm

Putin has never stopped being president...with changes to the constitution, he will probably be president for life...and not have to pretend to be prime minister again.
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:47 pm

Same can be said for Berlusconi or the 2-3 families that have been ruling Greece for the past few decades. I personally don't see a problem with it. Under Putin, Russia has become powerful again and, if the life of ordinary Russians keeps improving, then why vote someone else?
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:45 am

Quoting lewis (Reply 22):
Under Putin, Russia has become powerful again and, if the life of ordinary Russians keeps improving, then why vote someone else?

EXACTLY! Why do all the nay-sayers from abroad not understand this?
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:38 pm

From a Finnish paper: "Botox-Putin"  

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 23):
Quoting lewis (Reply 22):
Under Putin, Russia has become powerful again and, if the life of ordinary Russians keeps improving, then why vote someone else?

EXACTLY! Why do all the nay-sayers from abroad not understand this?

To me the idea that you would want to elect someone that would have you "silenced" if you speak "incorrectly" is an anathema. Doesn't mean that you may have no choice other than to vote for that person but to actually want to vote for someone the restricts the rights of fellow countrymen seems counterproductive.

Putin and his party restrict the competition from other parties. Why? If they are that popular, and I believe they are, then why restrict them or allow supporters to do so? Just let the other parties have their say and in the election defeat them. But apparently they are either to weak to allow that or too corrupt. Why would you vote for either?

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 17):
And why despite the clear wealth in places like Moscow and St Petersburg (or parts of them) are there large ares of Russia with Sub-Saharan Africa style life expectancies?

Too much vodka, many Russians live in pretty harsh environments, plus have you ever seen how they drive?

I have no problem with Putin, he's done a pretty good job, he's given Russians back their pride and given the country the huge kick up the butt it needed.

I also wonder where everyone gets the numbers for Putins vast fortune, I don't think anyone can prove it, it's all a big guess. He's probably not worth anywhere near what folks think he's worth.
 
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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:34 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 24):

Same question brought up by Robert Eringer on his blog.

POLONIUM PUTIN BECOMING A PRETTY BOTOX BOY?

http://www.eringer33.com/2011/09/pol...m-putin-becoming-pretty-botox.html

Has Putin had plastic surgery?
Has the Russian leader had Botox? Or even something more radical?

With his likely return to the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin looks set now to stay in power until he is 71 – but he probably won't look it.
The Russian leader has been the subject of intense speculation in Moscow on how he keeps looking so fresh. Botox? Face lift? Fillers?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...utin-plastic-surgery?newsfeed=true

Maybe under the influence of his good friend Silvio Berlusconi?

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:58 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
The Russian leader has been the subject of intense speculation in Moscow on how he keeps looking so fresh. Botox? Face lift? Fillers?
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Maybe he's doing it the same way Burlusconi does - lots of sex with teenaged women!

That will do wonders for an older man!  

And if they're prostitutes, even better, they leave when they are done!

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RE: Putin To Run For Presidency Again....

Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:12 pm

If he manages to build Russia into the country it once was and better, if he manages to create a nation that is good for all Russians, then let him stay.

Why does everyone think that you need a change of face every few years? If someone is doing a good job, then let them keep doing a good job. Look at Russia before Putin, and Russia after Putin- sure, there are some discrepancies, but then again so do nearly every Western power that rides a high horse of freedom.

Today Russia has a say in the world, one that is only becoming greater. In the 1990s immeaditly after the USSR fell, Russia was a complete mess, which was very sad to see as there is no doubt in regards to how wonderful both the country and its people really are.

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