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Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:35 pm

The LA Times has a "is he going to fun" article on Christi:

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The clamor for Chris Christie to enter the Republican presidential race is again blaring like a church bell among some sectors of the party—and while the New Jersey governor maintains he’s not getting in, his schedule suggests that he is, at the very least, keeping his options open.

Christie will be in Southern California Tuesday, speaking at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley—an address that will be closely watched by those looking for signs that he’s mulling a run. He’ll also be raising money, appearing at events in Santa Ana, Beverly Hills and at the home of new Hewlett-Packard CEO Meg Whitman while in the state.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...california-20110927,0,593392.story

There are sufficient contributors for Christi to jump start his campaign financially:

Quote:


They are rich. They are unattached. They are looking for a little excitement.

Meet the Draft Christie committee, a small but influential group of Republican-leaning donors and activists, many based in New York, united by a shared desire to see Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey run for president.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/ny...christie-run-for-president.html?hp

But is Christi going to run? He has a bit of time as a Governor and can generally talk a good line. (But then so could Perry - or so we thought)

Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight. Is hereally fat because he has no self-control? Or self-respect? Is he in sufficient health to actually endure (survive?) the full campaign?

Personally I believe that it he joins Weight Watchers he will be ready for the 2016 elections and might be a winner then.
 
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:52 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight. Is hereally fat because he has no self-control? Or self-respect? Is he in sufficient health to actually endure (survive?) the full campaign?

Personally I believe that it he joins Weight Watchers he will be ready for the 2016 elections and might be a winner then.

Hey Ken,

I agree with you and hypothesized something similar in the Herman Cain thread; in presidential elections, America tends to vote for slender, above-average-height males. That's not to say that Christie doesn't have a chance, but he'd have a much better one if he dropped 40-50 pounds and made the plunge in 2016. Other than that, I really like him (he's got a very good grasp on what the government's role should comprise in the economy) and I LOVE the way he stood up to the Muslim-bashers after he nominated a Muslim to be a Superior Court judge as they ignorantly indulged in blatant attempts at fearmongering insinuating that this guy would try to implement shari'a law. He put them in their place, called them idiots. It was brilliant.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):

Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight. Is hereally fat because he has no self-control? Or self-respect? Is he in sufficient health to actually endure (survive?) the full campaign?

If you replace "weight" with "smoking" in that sentence you have the same argument that people made about Obama being a smoker. In the end I suspect it would have little effect on his candidacy should he decide to run.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight. Is hereally fat because he has no self-control? Or self-respect? Is he in sufficient health to actually endure (survive?) the full campaign?

Who cares?
He has a hell of a lot more common sense than the prettyboy celebrity President we have at the moment.

Perhaps electing a fat guy to the White House could put an end to all of the frivolous lawsuits against fast-food change by the lazy fat people that claim to be disabled and mentally anguished.
We've had fat Presidents before.

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 1):
I LOVE the way he stood up to the Muslim-bashers after he nomi....

Probably the only thing I don't like about Christie. That belongs in another thread however.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:33 pm

More power to him. Perry is proving himself to be a total idiot in these debates. I've warmed up a little to Romney, but Christie is a more heartfelt alternative amongst many.

I don't mean to sound shallow here but couldn't he just get some mild liposuction if he was serious about 2012?

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 1):
Other than that, I really like him (he's got a very good grasp on what the government's role should comprise in the economy) and I LOVE the way he stood up to the Muslim-bashers after he nominated a Muslim to be a Superior Court judge as they ignorantly indulged in blatant attempts at fearmongering insinuating that this guy would try to implement shari'a law. He put them in their place, called them idiots. It was brilliant.

that was brilliant. A+ for Mr. Christie on that day.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:40 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Probably the only thing I don't like about Christie. That belongs in another thread however.

Fair enough; you're living in a country that has resident Muslim extremists (I was in Thailand when they bombed that Carrefour, in I think Hua Hin?, a few years back, it was terrifying). I can understand your perspective on this.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:00 pm

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 5):
Fair enough; you're living in a country that has resident Muslim extremists (I was in Thailand when they bombed that Carrefour, in I think Hua Hin?, a few years back, it was terrifying). I can understand your perspective on this.

Thanks for understanding this. I've been flamed in these boards for pointing out these exact observations. I'm exposed to it more over here unlike when I was living in a bubble called San Francisco.
One of the main reasons I've turned against Obama is because I see him as an enabler to potential Islamic extremist. Same for his incoherent Attorney General Eric Holder.
Governor Christie's choice for a judge disappointed me as well as Governor Perry.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:12 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight. Is hereally fat because he has no self-control? Or self-respect? Is he in sufficient health to actually endure (survive?) the full campaign?

That has always been my biggest turn off towards a Christie candidacy. He is what I would consider to be morbidly obese. Inasmuch as that makes you wonder what his underlying personality disorders are, or how his weight affects his psyche, it really goes to the heart of how healthy he is to stand up to the stresses of the job. He has a personality disorder, however small, that causes him to overeat. Food is an addiction for him that he cannot control. We should not elect him to high office because of his addiction anymore than we should not elect someone to high office for their addiction to narcotics.

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 1):
but he'd have a much better one if he dropped 40-50 pounds and made the plunge in 2016.

I'm not trying to be flippant, but a 40-50 pound weight loss on the guy is not going to result in any noticeable benefits. He is so big he would need to lose on the order of around 100 lbs. or more to look better and live better. Judging from recent pictures of him, I'd say he weighs close to 400 lbs - way too much for a guy who is 5'11" tall.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
He has a hell of a lot more common sense than the prettyboy celebrity President we have at the moment.

Unfortunately, all that common sense will get drowned out by his detractors who will attack his weight issues and his lack of experience. If President Obama is voted out of office next year, it will be by someone who has a resume with some substance. I don't think the voters are going to elect two back-to-back political novices to high office.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting redflyer (Reply 7):
I'm not trying to be flippant, but a 40-50 pound weight loss on the guy is not going to result in any noticeable benefits. He is so big he would need to lose on the order of around 100 lbs. or more to look better and live better. Judging from recent pictures of him, I'd say he weighs close to 400 lbs - way too much for a guy who is 5'11" tall.

You're right; my initial 40-50 pound estimate was too conservative (no pun intended).
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:24 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Thanks for understanding this. I've been flamed in these boards for pointing out these exact observations. I'm exposed to it more over here unlike when I was living in a bubble called San Francisco.

No problem. I feel that a lot of the vitriol on these boards would be eliminated if people just tried to evaluate issues with others' perspectives in mind.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:18 pm

In other news, Fox News says Christie said No again and that it was his final answer... MSNBC reports his brother said "I'm sure that he's not going to run," which may not mean much unless you know his brother is a big GOP fundraiser and thus one of the first who'd know if Christie were to go for it.

So unless the current slate of candidates develops a massive and crippling case of food poisoning from the next debate's snack bowl, that is it, it seems.

[Edited 2011-09-27 12:18:47]
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight.

No, I believe his biggest probkem is his big mouth. Actually, his big mouth when he's shooting for sound-bites.

Though, I like his straight forward, no nonsense approach to doing business, he comes off as a bully. He needs some experience and a little grooming (politically) before he takes the national stage.

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Is hereally fat because he has no self-control? Or self-respect?

I could give a good gosh darn (I'm working on my language, as my boy (who knows better) is parroting me) about Christie's weight, but too many others, on the Right, Left and Middle, will take issue with it. He will need to deal with that issue because, if he goes up in 2020, he will need to 'look good' for the cameras.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
He will need to deal with that issue because, if he goes up in 2020

He will need to deal with the issue because he won't be alive in 2020 if he doesn't. Or he will be severely incapacitated if he is alive and he hasn't dealt with the issue by then.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:55 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 2):
If you replace "weight" with "smoking" in that sentence you have the same argument that people made about Obama being a smoker.

Only difference is that Obama "works out" on the basketball court and can handle the physical abuses of a full presidential campaign. Christi is, to be blunt, at risk. Start with the reason why he is over weight. (Basically that is none of our business.). Now add in the issues he will be facing. Sleep apnea. Diabetes, High blood pressure. Stroke. Heart attack risks.

We went through something like that in the 08 Election with McCain's age. While the Dems might love it, the GOP does not need a walking health risk dude for a Presidential Candidate.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
No, I believe his biggest probkem is his big mouth. Actually, his big mouth when he's shooting for sound-bites.

His big mouth is what the Tea Party will love about him. He might be too big for them to wrap in the Flag, but they will love what he says.
 
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:33 am

Gov. Christie has said many times he doesn't want to run for President, from believing he is not ready to his wife divorcing him if he did. I also wonder if his obesity with it's realted health problems may be a factor in his decision. Several months ago he had to go to the hospital due to some scary health issue.

The ones that seem to be most supportive of Gov. Christie are the fiscal conservatives. He is pro-business, pro-rich (he is worth about $3-4 Million himself) supports lower taxes and state spending. But for some objections to abortion, he has taken moderate or at least open views as to immigraion and other social issues, is not anti-Islamic and his not an anti-Washington zelot. He won't get the evangelical voters, but he could attract many moderates not happy with President Obama. He would attract a lot of campaign money from the rich boosters like the Koch brothers.

While I despise him, I recognize that he had to make some very difficult decisions since taking office. He clearly couldn't or can't raise taxes in a state with a very high tax rate, especially as to local property taxes and couldn't put the state into greater debt. He had to cut Billions in the last 1 1/2 years from all levels of education, led to the layoffs of 1000's of school teachers and other workers, tightented up and required greater contributions toward benefits of all state workers (effectively a 6% pay cut). For the majority of the state's voters, especially many middle and upper class homeowners and all levels of business owners, he is seen as a god.

Where he may be hurt is being anti-union, making huge cuts in education, like too many other NJ Governors and State politicans not paying enought into the state retiree pension/health care funds as well as stupid statements, and a poor choice to take a helicoptor ride. He also has a tendacy to be a bit too blunt, not well liked by non-white voters, as well as state/local workers.

2016 might be a better shot. He needs to serve a full 4 year term as our Governor, we have had too many part-term Governors over the last 12 years. He would also have more time as Governor, by supporting leading Republicans with their fundraising he could buy some credits to be able to run then.
 
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:54 am

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Christi's biggest problem is his uncontrolled weight.

I thought his biggest problem was his refusal to invest in infrastructure for the future, his implementation of stealth taxes that hit the lower and middle classes the hardest, and his going after teachers while leaving other public workers (like police) almost untouched. I couldn't care less about his weight, unless it's actually going to be an issue in the White House.

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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:14 am

Here is a hypothetical poll showing Christie beating Obama in New Jersey.

http://www.app.com/article/20110927/...e-outscores-Obama-approval-ratings
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:16 pm

“It’s just crazy, and I’m tired of dealing with the crazies,” Chris Christie regarding anti-muslims and sharia laws in the U.S.

He just committed political suicide within the GOP. He ain't runnin'....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83z552NJaw
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:32 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Here is a hypothetical poll showing Christie beating Obama in New Jersey.

http://www.app.com/article/20110927/...tings

No. This poll is on approval ratings.
It is not a poll on presidential elections.

He may very well beat Obama in a poll on direct head to head presidential run candidacy, but this poll you linked to is not about that.


Christie may or may no run. the scary thing is that so many folks are cheering for him to run.

Right now out of all the GOP declared candidantes and a "hypothetical GOP Candidat", the only ones that beat Obama in head to head polling on the election are the "hypo" candidate and Mitch Romney. Not good for a party that has declared Obama as infinately beatable in the 2012 election.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:00 pm

Chris Christie is scheduling his press conference, where he will opt in or out, for 1pm EDT (GMT-0400). For those not paying attention, that is exactly the same time as Apple's press conference at 10am PDT (GMT-0700). That virtually assures that even the mainstream press will have their attention elsewhere.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:20 pm

Well, that would be a relief, if at least 2 candidates don't have the rest of the world sitting at the edge of their seat begging "please don't give this nutjob the launch codes America, not again".
 
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:03 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
Chris Christie is scheduling his press conference, where he will opt in or out, for 1pm EDT (GMT-0400). For those not paying attention, that is exactly the same time as Apple's press conference at 10am PDT (GMT-0700). That virtually assures that even the mainstream press will have their attention elsewhere.

That is rather poor timing, yes.   

If he does decide to run, he's going to have to do a lot of explaining as to how he could go from zero interest to enough interest so quickly.

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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:22 pm

Here's the latest update, he's NOT going to run:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...hristie-will-not-run-for-president

Opening exerpt:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie will announce that he will not run for president at a press conference Tuesday afternoon, sources told NBC News.

The Christie camp announced earlier that the governor would be making an announcement at a 1 p.m. EDT. NBC News' Jamie Gangel confirmed late Tuesday morning that the governor would make clear that he's not making a White House bid.


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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:25 pm

Just to follow up.

CBS radio station KNX in LA has said no.
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RE: Chris Christie Goes To CA - Is He Ready To Run

Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:47 pm

I think he had to make this decision now as petitions or other filings to be in the early primaries have to be in by Oct. 31st or shortly thereafter.
Although I despise him as our Governor in NJ, I am glad he apparently had decided not to run. He would be so distracted from his duties and need for leadership in our state in these difficult times that would hurt our residents.

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