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Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:10 pm

Joe, Joe, Joe....don't you know the company line is still "It's all Bush's fault!"? Better get with the program or you might find yourself out of a job in 2012.

http://news.yahoo.com/lousy-economy-...fault-ask-joe-biden-110900882.html

http://theweek.com/article/index/219...economy-obamas-fault-ask-joe-biden

The audio: To conservatives' delight, Vice President Joe Biden told a South Florida radio station on Thursday that it's "totally legitimate" to see the 2012 presidential election as a referendum on President Obama's handling of the economy (listen to the interview below). "Even though fifty-some percent of the American people think that the economy tanked because of the last administration, that's not relevant," Biden said. "What's relevant is we're in charge." Biden went on to say that Obama's policies had made the economy better — but not good enough.

                 

At least you could have blamed it on the Europeans, or the earthquake in Japan.

So does Joe go to the woodshed again?
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RE: Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:34 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
So does Joe go to the woodshed again?

Depends on the audience, I suppose. It plays well with me. If it were genuine (I tend to be skeptical), I'd see it as them owing up to their failures rather than blame everyone else, as seems to be the norm. For it to work, however, the next part (the one that starts with "here is what we're going to do differently") is even more critical.

Setting the message aside, I wouldn't be surprised if this were a trial balloon. The advantage of having a vice-president like Bidden is you can have him try out a new strategy and blame it on his "foot-in-mouth" ways if it doesn't work out.
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
Better get with the program or you might find yourself out of a job in 2012.

That's going to happen regardless.
Obama would LOVE to have Hillary as his VP but she is smart enough to not play 2nd. fiddle to someone as pathetic as Obama.

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At least you could have blamed it on the Europeans, or the earthquake in Japan.

Also global-warming, the big oil companies, hurricane Katrina, the BP oil spill, most recent Dancing with the Stars results, break up of REM, automation, ATM machines, airport kiosk, etc......


Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
So does Joe go to the woodshed again?

He'll stay on the ticket because no other Democrat wants the job.
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RE: Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:22 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Obama would LOVE to have Hillary as his VP but she is smart enough to not play 2nd. fiddle to someone as pathetic as Obama.

  

Dick Morris is of the opinion that Obama could sit out the upcoming election, get his stuff together, and run again in 8 or so years. Biden will be lucky to get someone to write a biography about him.
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:07 am

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
At least you could have blamed it on the Europeans, or the earthquake in Japan.

Pathetic! I guess in the world we have today, a Biden statement that the economy should be considered in an election, which is always the case, is now warped into lord knows what. I do not understand, like The Great White Hope, Gov. Christy said, what is he supposed to do, commit suicide to make someone understand? This is a pathetic Right Wing exaggeration once again. Come on DX, you can do better.
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RE: Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:28 am

Sounded reasonable to me. Rather honest I'd say.
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:45 am

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 5):
Sounded reasonable to me. Rather honest I'd say.


Indeed, he knows his history well.

Carter didn't get another term in large part due to the lousy economy along with double digit inflation and an elevated jobless rate. His inability to deal with it before the 1980 election and Reagan presenting an alternative that attracted many desperate for economic improvement. This is a similar positon (especially if you include real infation as to energy, food, other consumer products) Pres. Obama is in now. People will vote on their wallets and pocketbooks more than any other factor.
 
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RE: Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:46 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
Come on DX, you can do better.

I don't have to when Biden makes it easier than shooting fish in a barrel

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 4):
I guess in the world we have today, a Biden statement that the economy should be considered in an election

It's not just a statement that the economy should be considered, it's a statement saying the Obama adminstration has not done very much to improve it. It flies in the face of what the President has been saying.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43279028

The president did just that in his weekly radio and Internet address, broadcast Saturday, by highlighting "head winds" that are affecting the United States.

"Even though our economy has created more than two million private sector jobs over the past 15 months and continues to grow, we're facing some tough head winds," he said.

"Lately, it's high gas prices, the earthquake in Japan, and unease about the European fiscal situation. That will happen from time to time. There will be bumps on the road to recovery."


or perhaps it's the Arab Spring?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...k_of_jobs_and_economic_growth.html

"We've weathered the Arab Springs effect on oil and gas prices. The Japanese earthquake and tsunami's effect on supply chains. The extraordinary economic uncertainty in Europe and recently markets around the globe have taken a bumpy ride," Obama said this morning.

but lets not forget the previous administration

http://theamericano.com/2011/07/26/o...es-bush-gop-nations-economic-woes/

President Barack Obama made it clear at a fund-raiser in Atlanta today: The Democrats are still running against former President George W. Bush.


President Barack Obama speaks at a Democratic National Committee fund-raising event in Atlanta, Monday. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)At the Democratic Party event, the president said the Republican Party hasn’t differentiated itself from his predecessor. “They don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas–not one,” Obama said to applause. Obama rarely refers to Bush by name during speeches, preferring instead to say “the previous administration



but Joe, well Joe is a bit off the reservation with his remark.
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:19 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 7):
I don't have to when Biden makes it easier than shooting fish in a barrel


You are reaching, The man spoke. These things affect elections. Nothing there at all.

Quoting dxing (Reply 7):
It's not just a statement that the economy should be considered, it's a statement saying the Obama adminstration has not done very much to improve it. It flies in the face of what the President has been saying.

And this has never happened before? You are reaching, time to regroup.
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:34 am

So, the VP cited a poll but it somehow gets twisted around to being him blaming Bush when, really, it was a poll blaming Bush. Yep. Sounds like the right wing grasping at more straws. Oh, wait... I forgot: the right can do no wrong ever ever ever because it is always the Democrats who are wrong every single time on every issue from the color of the sky to invading Iraq to executions.
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:42 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 3):
Dick Morris is of the opinion that Obama could sit out the upcoming election, get his stuff together, and run again in 8 or so years. Biden will be lucky to get someone to write a biography about him.

Obama should sit out the 2012 election and never return to politics. Obama should instead pursue an acting career. He'd be really good at it.

Quoting dxing (Reply 7):
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43279028

The president did just that in his weekly radio and Internet address, broadcast Saturday, by highlighting "head winds" that are affecting the United States.

"Even though our economy has created more than two million private sector jobs over the past 15 months and continues to grow, we're facing some tough head winds," he said.

"Lately, it's high gas prices, the earthquake in Japan, and unease about the European fiscal situation. That will happen from time to time. There will be bumps on the road to recovery."

or perhaps it's the Arab Spring?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...k_of_jobs_and_economic_growth.html

"We've weathered the Arab Springs effect on oil and gas prices. The Japanese earthquake and tsunami's effect on supply chains. The extraordinary economic uncertainty in Europe and recently markets around the globe have taken a bumpy ride," Obama said this morning.

but lets not forget the previous administration

You would think that he would at least get his lies straight.
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RE: Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:09 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 8):
These things affect elections. Nothing there at all.
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 8):
And this has never happened before? You are reaching, time to regroup.

Yes, these things do affect elections, but the administration script to date has to been to blame everyone but themselves for the lack of any meaningful economic recovery. You can try and pass it off if you wish but many on this very forum have been very vocal at also defending this administration on its economic policies. Seems the VP may finally be realizing what a larger and larger share of the general public has already realized. Unfortunately, he's off the administration script by saying it out loud and in public.
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:34 am

As long as posts like this are written, I'll never need to buy fertilizer for my garden.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 6):


Carter didn't get another term in large part due to the lousy economy along with double digit inflation and an elevated jobless rate. His inability to deal with it before the 1980 election and Reagan presenting an alternative that attracted many desperate for economic improvement. This is a similar positon (especially if you include real infation as to energy, food, other consumer products) Pres. Obama is in now. People will vote on their wallets and pocketbooks more than any other factor.

The United States of America cannot afford another Ronald Reagan. If we had any sense, we would either get a real fiscal conservative or we would get a real liberal (not a wamby-pamby like Obama). Getting someone like Reagan in office is the equivalent of shooting our own foot and for good measure cutting it off and burning it with a blowtorch.
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RE: Poor Joe, Is The VP Going To The Woodshed Again?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:50 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
You would think that he would at least get his lies straight.

These things really have affected the economy though. So it's not really a lie. But is an attempt to shed some of the blame, sure.
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:14 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 11):
Yes, these things do affect elections

I agree.

Quoting dxing (Reply 11):
but the administration script to date has to been to blame everyone but themselves for the lack of any meaningful economic recovery

To say that I am happy with the jobs picture, would be a gross inaccuracy. I am pissed off at Obama on the job front as well as everyone else. Not one person on the Right, or Obama has mentioned it, the idea of bringing manufacturing back to this country. If they have, I have missed it. No one touchs the subject. People bitch and complain, the politicians throw the bull. Where are these jobs coming from? I was shopping with my wife yesterday, it is sickening when you read the labels of origin. Cutting taxes for the wealthy, will not do it either, that is a joke, a pat answer to thirty years of outsourcing our work and the associated jobs for cheap labor. Allowed by and advocated by both sides. We now have the Republicans and Obama advocating for the Columbian Free Trade Agreement, while Union activists are being murdered there. What is the favorite line on here, Union thugs. I wonder who is killing the union activists? Maybe the wealthy?

Quoting dxing (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, he's off the administration script by saying it out loud and in public.

I give the man credit for spouting off. A little plain truth is something sorely lacking these days from all sides.
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Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting N867DA (Reply 12):
The United States of America cannot afford another Ronald Reagan.

How would you know what kind of a President Ronald Reagan was, you weren't even born when he left office?

As someone who lived through Jimmy Carters 10% unemployment rate and 15% home loan rates if thing got better after Ronald Reagan was elected President.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:07 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 15):
How would you know what kind of a President Ronald Reagan was, you weren't even born when he left office?

So uh, have an opinion on George Washington? Lincoln? FDR?  

On a more jovial note, I can't help but mention I did indeed exist while Reagan was president, but the only thing I can remember is sleeping a lot and being able to pass gas whenever I wanted without being considered rude. Ah, how times change...
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:22 am

Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):
So uh, have an opinion on George Washington? Lincoln? FDR?

No real opinion but from what I have read I would say: Washington was "honest", Lincoln was "courageous" and FDR was "a politician".
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:30 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 15):
As someone who lived through Jimmy Carters 10% unemployment rate

It climbed to 11% under Reagan in 1982.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):
the only thing I can remember is sleeping a lot and being able to pass gas whenever I wanted

Reagan did a lot of that towards the end of his 2nd term.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 12):
Getting someone like Reagan in office is the equivalent of shooting our own foot and for good measure cutting it off and burning it with a blowtorch.

Many would say that is what Obama is doing.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:56 am

http://gma.yahoo.com/president-obama...ff--today-than-four-years-ago.html



I guess Poor Joe and the Prez are on the same page after all. A refreshing breeze of honesty from the Democrats. A realistic appraisal of the state of our economy. My question is once again, where are the Job creators? The government is not supposed to be doing the job creating. Ask governor Perry. When will the wealthy help us out, can't they give up a corporate jet or two, and help out?
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:03 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
When will the wealthy help us out, can't they give up a corporate jet or two, and help out?

You want more corporate jets, which means the economy has turned around and business are expanding and hiring more workers!

If the wealthy give give up their corporate jets that would mean the economy has tanked even more.
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 20):
You want more corporate jets, which means the economy has turned around and business are expanding and hiring more workers!



Is there not a tax loophole, which allows the purchase of corporate jets.




If the wealthy give give up their corporate jets that would mean the economy has tanked even more.



I have no problem with them buying corporate jets with their own money. I do not like them using loopholes to do it.
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:12 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
I guess Poor Joe and the Prez are on the same page after all.

Hardly, from your link:
Republicans, he said, have stood in the way of working with him time and again to fix the economy.

"At every step of way, I have tried to get the Republican Party to work with me on the biggest crisis of our lifetime. And each time we've gotten 'No,'" he said.

which pretty much sums up his position along with blaming Bush.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
The government is not supposed to be doing the job creating.

Not according to what the administration and key democratic leaders have said. Creating jobs is supposedly at the heart of the Presidents latest jobs bill.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
When will the wealthy help us out, can't they give up a corporate jet or two, and help out?

You mean the ones that President Obama implored them to buy and that Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid made sure there were tax breaks in the first stimulus to help make happen?
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 22):
Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
The government is not supposed to be doing the job creating.

Not according to what the administration and key democratic leaders have said. Creating jobs is supposedly at the heart of the Presidents latest jobs bill.

Well, someone has to create jobs. The private sector is sitting on trillions of dollars and *could* hire are not hiring. So, the government has to do it. That kind of Marxist/socialist/communits/liberal thinking worked well for Comrade Perry in Texas.

Quoting dxing (Reply 22):
Republicans, he said, have stood in the way of working with him time and again to fix the economy.

"At every step of way, I have tried to get the Republican Party to work with me on the biggest crisis of our lifetime. And each time we've gotten 'No,'" he said.
which pretty much sums up his position along with blaming Bush.

So, the current right-wing controlled Congress is blocking passage of jobs bills but that is somehow *in your mind* related to Bush II? How, exactly? Where *EXACTLY* in the article does Biden cite Bush II is to blame?
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:10 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
So, the current right-wing controlled Congress is blocking passage of jobs bills but that is somehow *in your mind* related to Bush II? How, exactly? Where *EXACTLY* in the article does Biden cite Bush II is to blame?

If you would read you will find out that the Senate which is controlled by the left-wing liberal Democrats can't get Obama's "I need to get more money to the unions, so they can contribute more for my re-election, bill" approved either!
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 24):
the Senate which is controlled by the left-wing liberal Democrats

Read: Democrats who have been bought and paid for by corporations. The same corporations that bought and sold the right-wing who also control the House....
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:53 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 22):
Hardly, from your link:
Republicans, he said, have stood in the way of working with him time and again to fix the economy.

You doubt that?

Quoting dxing (Reply 22):
"At every step of way, I have tried to get the Republican Party to work with me on the biggest crisis of our lifetime. And each time we've gotten 'No,'" he said.
which pretty much sums up his position along with blaming Bush.

You doubt that?

Quoting dxing (Reply 22):
Not according to what the administration and key democratic leaders have said. Creating jobs is supposedly at the heart of the Presidents latest jobs bill.

I might ask, what choice does the government have? The job creators are sitting on the side, trying to defeat Obama. It is as plain as the nose on The Tan Mans face. It never ceases to amaze me, how the Republicans cry about job creation from the government, but like Gov. Perry are not above claiming those government jobs to improve their state job stats. Just a little hypocritical.
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Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:56 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 24):
"I need to get more money to the unions, so they can contribute more for my re-election, bill" approved either!

Almost like the Republicans kissing the wealthy's butt. Almost like them kissing up to corporations, with their no tax increase bull. Wait a minute! It is just like that. Kissing butt to suck in money to get re-elected. Funny that!
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Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:22 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 26):
You doubt that?

Yes, he has never sincerely worked with any of their proposals. His first response is that "it's not serious". Well the GOP doesn't think his is either.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 26):
You doubt that?

Yes, for the same reason. His response of "it's not serious" worked well when he had a super majority in the Senate and control of the House. He has never reconciled the fact that the game changed in the mid-term elections and that the voters were sending a big hint. If he keeps it up, he'll get a much clearer message in next years election.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 26):
The job creators are sitting on the side, trying to defeat Obama.

Then perhaps he should do the smart thing and listen to what they need to feel confident in hiring.

[Edited 2011-10-06 18:24:14]
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Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:33 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 28):
Yes, he has never sincerely worked with any of their proposals. His first response is that "it's not serious". Well the GOP doesn't think his is either.

I can understand that.

Quoting dxing (Reply 28):
Yes, for the same reason. His response of "it's not serious" worked well when he had a super majority in the Senate and control of the House. He has never reconciled the fact that the game changed in the mid-term elections and that the voters were sending a big hint. If he keeps it up, he'll get a much clearer message in next years election.

That we will have to wait and see, and who will win the propaganda war. The remaining Republican cannidates, are not too strong. It will be interesting.

Quoting dxing (Reply 28):
Then perhaps he should do the smart thing and listen to what they need to feel confident in hiring.

I think the need and urge to defeat Obama precludes that. The people will speak, as they are in New York.
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Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:19 pm

Better the woodshed then the corn crib.

We all remember what they did with Old Yeller.
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Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:01 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 3):
Biden will be lucky to get someone to write a biography about him.

Best do your research, mate

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Biden-Life..._1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1318013951&sr=8-2
 
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Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:43 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 29):
I think the need and urge to defeat Obama precludes that. The people will speak, as they are in New York.

Like it or not, Wall Street supported candidate Obama with far more in campaign contributions than they did Senator McCain. Maybe that was because they were betting he would be more inclined to bail them out than Senator McCain. No matter as their belief in him has since gone way down hill. I think President Obama could still win back their favor if he were to sincerely sit down and listen to their concerns, and then act favorably on them. Not give them carte blanche, but listen too and recognize their legitimate concerns about tax and regulatory policy which is consistently what they name as their greatest obstacles to expanding business and hiring workers. It certainly could not hurt his chances of winning a second term, unless he just patronizes them as he has done the GOP.
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Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:13 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 32):
Like it or not, Wall Street supported candidate Obama with far more in campaign contributions than they did Senator McCain. Maybe that was because they were betting he would be more inclined to bail them out than Senator McCain. No matter as their belief in him has since gone way down hill. I think President Obama could still win back their favor if he were to sincerely sit down and listen to their concerns, and then act favorably on them. Not give them carte blanche, but listen too and recognize their legitimate concerns about tax and regulatory policy which is consistently what they name as their greatest obstacles to expanding business and hiring workers. It certainly could not hurt his chances of winning a second term, unless he just patronizes them as he has done the GOP.

You maybe correct about Wall Street. I myself thought he would be tougher than he has been. I am disappointed that he was not. They do seem to have escaped basically whole from the debacle. I would think they would be grateful for that. One thing is for sure, they expected something for their money. I think they got it. They are out of jail, still in business, and making billions. Not such a bad deal from viewpoint.
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