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IPhone 4S On Sale Today At 8am

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:06 am

Ok this has to be a record! Here in Belfast, Ireland I waited only 45 mins for my new iPhone 4S in White. I turned up at 9am expecting a 3-4 hour wait in line .

Anyone have any similar experiences ?

 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:16 am

I guess people were just expecting more (ie iPhone 5).

Before the reveal there was so much hype, people talking about it, and since the launch of the 4s, talks have died, and people I know who were waiting for iPhone 5 to get a new phone, are talking about keeping their phone longer, or just waiting and looking at other phones. I don't know anyone that has been desperate to get it on launch day (wait in line), while I know plenty that did it for the iPhone 4.

I'm sure the 4s will be a success, and when people need a new phone, they'll go for that, its just not as many people ditching their current phones prematurely just to get the latest and greatest.

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Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:35 am

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):

Anyone have any similar experiences ?

No. Mine arrive by courier.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:39 am

I just ordered the HTC Sensation to replace my Iphone 3GS. I was gonna go for the new Iphone, but after the whole Steve Jobs circus I decided its time for me to quit the Icult.
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RE: IPhone 4S On Sale Today At 8am

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:57 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 2):

I looked at that but it was already 2 weeks ship time by then anyway Im glad I came to wait as it was so short to get it now.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:11 am

Delivery should be today for mine.  
 
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
I guess people were just expecting more (ie iPhone 5).

What, exactly, beyond possibly a bigger display (which I doubt would be a very good idea)?

It is pretty much exactly what I expected the iPhone 5 to be – and I couldn't care less about the actual number as long as it does what I want it do do.

When you get right down to it, every iPhone has disappointed some people who've expected somewhat flashier features – there has always been the same "So that's all it is?" reaction, always complete with the customary post-keynote dip of the stock, which also regularly rebounded shortly afterwards.

It's sort of a tradition by now...!  
 
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 3):
I just ordered the HTC Sensation to replace my Iphone 3GS. I was gonna go for the new Iphone, but after the whole Steve Jobs circus I decided its time for me to quit the Icult.

Strange. I've never bought anything for the benefit of a "cult" or for "belonging" to a group, but always just what I thought were good products for my actual needs, regardless of manufacturer and product type.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say – what matters is not what people think, but what the product actually delivers, and Apple is one of the manufacturers who specialize in making their actual users happy, not just in making empty promises.

As long as they keep delivering, I'll keep buying.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:55 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
What, exactly, beyond possibly a bigger display (which I doubt would be a very good idea)?

It is pretty much exactly what I expected the iPhone 5 to be – and I couldn't care less about the actual number as long as it does what I want it do do.

That may be true, but people wanted something that seemed much more new and exciting. And this is evident by the response Apple got. Their shares fell, and just about every tech magazine and other newspapers were disappointed with the launch.

iPhone 4s is a top notch phone, no doubt about it, but people were expecting it to go further, and possibly blow the competition (SGSII) out of the water, but they did not do this at all, with many still believing the SGSII to be better.

I personally, believe there are quite a few things they could have improved on. Retina display is great, but give it an AMOLED screen (although I'm sure Samsung would sue them for that, seeing how their relationship stands). Many hoped for LTE, many hoped for NFC, etc. Things that the updated SGSII is getting shortly, putting it ahead again.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
As long as they keep delivering, I'll keep buying.

I'm sure you will  

-CXfirst
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:03 am

I'm waiting till my contract is up for renewal in march. In the mean time, my 3GS is running like a new phone. I'm looking forward to a new camera on lard with the 4s though.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:51 pm

Quoting jessbp (Reply 7):
I'm waiting till my contract is up for renewal in march

Ditto!

I have the 4, with the new OS and love the new features. Cant wait for the S
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:58 pm

It's arrived!

What's very nice is that even the upload of the existing backup was a lot faster than it was on the 3GS (all settings, apps and data are restored) , and so was the music sync: Now all 38 Gigabytes of my entire library at last, still with plenty of room to spare!   

Also nice: The Universal Dock insert for the original iPhone fits the 4S (it's from before the 4 came out).

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
That may be true, but people wanted something that seemed much more new and exciting.

When have they ever wanted less than that?

Not that I blame anyone – but they're setting themselves up for an inevitable disappointment that way.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
And this is evident by the response Apple got. Their shares fell, and just about every tech magazine and other newspapers were disappointed with the launch.

The shares fall every time right after the keynote! It's apparently a ritual brought about by speculative short-sellers, who may well be behind some of the more ridiculous rumours circulating before so they can make a quick buck when the real device just happens to remain unable to cure cancer after all.

The stock also inevitably rebounds shortly afterwards, particularly when the sales again exceed expectations.

This is always the same ritual – check back to all the predecessors and you'll find the same pattern over and over. Some journalists are just still falling for it as if it was a new thing.

It's not – quite the opposite, in fact.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
iPhone 4s is a top notch phone, no doubt about it, but people were expecting it to go further, and possibly blow the competition (SGSII) out of the water, but they did not do this at all, with many still believing the SGSII to be better.

Sure. Apple doesn't compete on paper specs, which are effectively just promises of real-world performance.

Apple competes on keeping promises, even if that involves being more conservative on making them.

Real-world performance, reliability and just plain pleasure to use is what justifies their prices, not having the longer list of specs or the biggest numbers. Apple hasn't even disclosed clock speed or RAM capacity of the new iPhone – developers had to go check and benchmark it to find out.

That paper specs don't automatically equal satisfactory performance has nowhere been more evident than in the mobile space, and with the free and universal iOS 5 upgrade for several generations of older devices and the release of the iPhone 4S today I think that distinction becomes a little clearer again.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
I personally, believe there are quite a few things they could have improved on. Retina display is great, but give it an AMOLED screen (although I'm sure Samsung would sue them for that, seeing how their relationship stands).

I wouldn't want one, to be frank, as I've explained before.

It would have intense, but in most cases unnaturally oversaturated colours, or its enhanced colour space would be wasted by displaying content accurately, almost all of which simply doesn't use any more than LCDs can display anyway.

It would consume lots more battery power.

It would have worse daylight capability.

It would have somewhat better contrast only under circumstances which are not very relevant in practice.

It would have burn-in and colour-shifting problems in the long term.

It's primarily a marketing tool but not a really mature and practical display technology, at least at this early point. I'm not particularly eager to be an early adopter there.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
Many hoped for LTE,

None who knew that there simply isn't an LTE chipset available which doesn't drain the battery in record time, unfortunately. The chip manufacturers have not caught up to people's expectations yet (nor have most of the networks).

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
many hoped for NFC, etc.

NFC is a complex issue which I am a bit cautious about at this point. The actual usage case is not really there yet either, and there are security and standardization issues which need to be resolved before I'd really want it in my phone (if ever).

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
Things that the updated SGSII is getting shortly, putting it ahead again.

Let them tick their boxes. But even more importantly, let them demonstrate how well these boxes translate into real-world practical applications with a tangible user benefit.

I'm ready to be impressed, but I'm not sure there will be much opportunity for it.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
As long as they keep delivering, I'll keep buying.

I'm sure you will

Please note both parts of my statement, not just the latter one!
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:55 pm

Let me first say that I have an iPad 2, i have two iMac's in my house, and although I use an SGSII as my phone, multiple family members have iPhone 4's and iPhone 3GS's and I used to have an iPhone 3G. Right now I'm playing around with iOS5 on the iPad and iPhone 4 (updating for my mum).

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Sure. Apple doesn't compete on paper specs, which are effectively just promises of real-world performance.

My SGSII is running incredibly smoothly, and I cannot notice and notable difference between it and my iPad 2, so it seems it is also quite effective in real life. Many industry writers were blown away by the specs, but were still giving it top marks after using it, that has to count for something.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
I wouldn't want one, to be frank, as I've explained before.

As I use a SAMOLED+ screen daily, as well as Apple's screens, I have to say the colour quality and contrast is better on the SGSII (a lot of industry reporters seem to agree). Looking into my power stats, my screen uses about the same amount of overall power as my mothers iPhone 4. I charge my SGSII a bit more often, but that is mainly cause I use it more. However, with a lot of use, I never have to charge it during the day, just the night.

I do like the retina display, but I do think Apple could have made a big improvement, and blown all screens away combining this with AMOLED screens.

The SGSII does use more power, and therefore it has a bigger battery than the iPhone, yet it is lighter, so it Apple could have added the AMOLED screen, increased battery size further with little compromise on weight and size, it could be done, and I think people were expecting that.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
None who knew that there simply isn't an LTE chipset available which doesn't drain the battery in record time,

Again, a larger battery. I am sure that in a couple of months, somebody sitting on the train somewhere will be on the web on their iPhone 4s, and be next to someone with an LTE phone, surfing much much faster, and sit there wishing their state of the art phone could do that, even if it did hurt battery a bit.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
NFC is a complex issue which I am a bit cautious about at this point. The actual usage case is not really there yet either, and there are security and standardization issues which need to be resolved before I'd really want it in my phone (if ever).

Apple are often trend-setters, and it is unlike Apple to wait for others to implement a technology before doing it themselves. And I wish they put NFC into their phone, because I'm sure that the technology around it would develop a lot quicker. Here, I'm disappointed because I can't see this developing as quickly as I hoped, just because Apple wouldn't jump on the bandwagon.

As an Android user, the big thing I miss is not being able to sync my music through iTunes, mainly because that is where I sorted music initially, and it is difficult moving music over to other media players (mostly because of Apple's closed nature). iTunes had the advantage of being developed into a good service through many years of iPod development.

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Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:01 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):

Again, a larger battery. I am sure that in a couple of months, somebody sitting on the train somewhere will be on the web on their iPhone 4s, and be next to someone with an LTE phone, surfing much much faster, and sit there wishing their state of the art phone could do that, even if it did hurt battery a bit.

Is that really a factor? My two-year old HSDPA phone gives me transfer rates of up to 1MB/sec here in Berlin. That's more than I'd ever need to regular browsing (or downloading). CPU and memory are much more limiting factors. Is LTE really a noticeable technology on mobile phones?
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:10 pm



Just off home to set mine up. Went for the Orange bumper this time and also bought the new screen protectors which I didnt do before. Not that there are any scratches on my iPhone 4 but I am being more cautious this time as I expect to sell the 4S when a newer model comes out next year.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:57 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
I guess people were just expecting more (ie iPhone 5).

It's obvious to a lot of people that the iPhone 4S is just a temporary solution for Apple and many people anticipate a new iPhone 5 within the next 12 months.

Here in the US, the majority of iPhone 4 users are still under contract and not eligible for upgrades, especially since a large portion of iPhone 4 users got their phones when Verizon finally offered the phone last February. With the exception of the must-have-every-new-version Apple fanboys, there is little reason for an iPhone 4 user still under contract to go through the trouble of upgrading to a phone that is not a whole lot different, when the belief is by waiting until they are eligible for an upgrade a new iPhone will be out.

Sales for the iPhone 4S are coming mostly from new users (from the carriers now offering the phone) and 3G and 3GS owners.

Plus, iOS 5 just came out and that alone gave everyone enough new features to feel like they got a phone upgrade anyway.

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Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:23 pm

I've read that one of the reasons why it might be easier to walk in and get one today is that the pre-ordering was huge. Apple sold out of their initial pre-order stocks, as did ATT. FedEx (in the US) is doing all the work for those who didn't want to stand in line.

I might stroll over and take a serious look today. Since both the internal hardware and the software are major upgrades I'm not that worried about the lack of the teardrop.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
(although I'm sure Samsung would sue them for that, seeing how their relationship stands)

I think the component side of Samsung would be very accommodating to Apple. They had a huge (almost $8 Billion) customer in Apple and, after the lawsuits have been filed, Apple has already signed a contract with another company for the A6 processor chip. And Apple is looking towards Japan for memory.

BTW, that is the same Apple that has in the past, and no doubt will again in the future, helped finance component suppliers construction of new production facilities. I think Samsung was even one of those suppliers Apple helped.
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:30 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 14):
I might stroll over and take a serious look today. Since both the internal hardware and the software are major upgrades I'm not that worried about the lack of the teardrop

One of my coworkers got one today.

SIRI is pretty neat, but it isn't a deal breaker for me. Cameras are hard to tell the difference on the actual screens. Need the big screen to see how the 1080 does.

But it is still a good phone for the price for those going from the 3g and 3gs. I look forward to seeing what the 5/5s will be like for my next upgrade.
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:46 pm

Totally up and running now everything ran smoothly transferring between the 4 and 4S.  

Voice recognition is surprisingly good. Works well for emails/SMS- iMessage/Facebook updates etc...

Camera and video recording very good also .
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:20 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Also nice: The Universal Dock insert for the original iPhone fits the 4S (it's from before the 4 came out).

Wow, cool. I would never have thought to even try. Thanks for mentioning it!
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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
My SGSII is running incredibly smoothly, and I cannot notice and notable difference between it and my iPad 2, so it seems it is also quite effective in real life. Many industry writers were blown away by the specs, but were still giving it top marks after using it, that has to count for something.

Sure. What counts is that it works well for you, in all of its functionalities.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
As I use a SAMOLED screen daily, as well as Apple's screens, I have to say the colour quality and contrast is better on the SGSII (a lot of industry reporters seem to agree).

Have you really matched the colours to the respective reference? Exaggerated colours are not actually "high quality", they are just oversaturated. There is very little content around which actually uses an expanded colour space, so in most cases you should not see much if any difference if the display was actually accurate and "high quality".

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
Looking into my power stats, my screen uses about the same amount of overall power as my mothers iPhone 4.

How did you determine that? I'm not aware of such a readout on the iPhone.

Contrary to LCD with its near-constant power use, OLEDs can consume as much as double the power of a backlit LCD (or even beyond that!) when you've got not the power-saving white-on-black menus but regular web pages with almost all of the screen full white. That is one of OLED's big achilles heels.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
The SGSII does use more power, and therefore it has a bigger battery than the iPhone, yet it is lighter, so it Apple could have added the AMOLED screen, increased battery size further with little compromise on weight and size, it could be done, and I think people were expecting that.

There are always tradeoffs being made, and in case of the Samsung it's apparently volume (it is bigger overall), stability (it uses a thin plastic sheet as its back cover and lacks the iPhone's steel frame) and recyclability (glass cover, plastic back and plastic inner skeleton vs. glass and steel exoskeleton without a need for any inner reinforcement in the iPhone, with less than 3% plastic overall).

The iPhone is a bit heavier, but much more solid, much better recyclable and contains much less toxic materials (particularly no PVC and no BFRs, the latter of which are a necessity with a lot of plastic being used):
http://images.apple.com/environment/reports/docs/iPhone4S_Product_Environmental_Report_2011.pdf

So the bigger battery needed for the bigger OLED display is not for free - it is paid for with other compromises.

It would be too simple to say that either one is "better" by a generally applicable metric, but the thing is that especially with high-end engineering as it's being done by mobile manufacturers today, there is almost never a free lunch – you will generally have to pay with something for every benefit you gain, so the end result is primarily about which compromises you select, not if you'll have to make compromises.

And as users we try to get the products whose compromises we hope will match our own individual needs and preferences the best.

We can argue about technical specifics, but personal preferences and priorities will always differ, and still be valid either way.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
Again, a larger battery. I am sure that in a couple of months, somebody sitting on the train somewhere will be on the web on their iPhone 4s, and be next to someone with an LTE phone, surfing much much faster, and sit there wishing their state of the art phone could do that, even if it did hurt battery a bit.

First, I care pretty little about what other people around me own or use, nor do I expect or want other people to care about my stuff.

Second, 14.4Mb/s is almost as fast as I've got via DSL at home, and I've repeatedly refused to have my DSL line upgraded since I simply don't have a real use for speeds above 16Mb/s – not even on the desktop.

So I doubt I'll feel much constrained by my iPhone being capable of almost the same speed now; The much bigger constraint is the network it's working on, and whether that is actually capable of saturating HSDPA+.

This is not something I'm likely to lose sleep over anytime soon – and likely never during the next two years until the 4S will be paid off and become unlocked.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
Apple are often trend-setters, and it is unlike Apple to wait for others to implement a technology before doing it themselves. And I wish they put NFC into their phone, because I'm sure that the technology around it would develop a lot quicker.

The thing is just that Apple is usually jumping in when the technology is mature enough to be deployed, and as far as I know, NFC is still not there yet – too many competing concepts, too little concrete opportunity for being actually useful in practice. Quite possible that the payment providers are also not ready yet to actually join in at this time which would kill any such prospect anyway, at least right now.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
As an Android user, the big thing I miss is not being able to sync my music through iTunes, mainly because that is where I sorted music initially, and it is difficult moving music over to other media players (mostly because of Apple's closed nature). iTunes had the advantage of being developed into a good service through many years of iPod development.

Apple isn't closed at all in that respect: iTunes has an official API through which third-party software can access its library, and the library itself is perfectly open and accessible, with standard file formats, standard information tags and standard folder hierarchies (artist/album/titles). What's supposed to be "closed" about that?

Sure, it's even simpler to sync an iPod, iPhone or iPad through iTunes, but still simple enough to get to everything you want with separate products, even if you're managing all your music entirely with iTunes on the PC or Mac.

[Edited 2011-10-14 14:04:39]
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:28 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
As an Android user, the big thing I miss is not being able to sync my music through iTunes, mainly because that is where I sorted music initially, and it is difficult moving music over to other media players (mostly because of Apple's closed nature). iTunes had the advantage of being developed into a good service through many years of iPod development.

Have you tried DoubleTwist? I don't use it myself as iTunes runs too slow for me and I hate bloatware, but I think it is supposed to do just that.

http://doubletwist.com/
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:52 pm

OK, I broke down.

Was coming back from downtown (CBD), passed my ATT store and went in to see what it was all about. 4:30 PM and they still had inventory. 4 White 64 GBs left, which is what I wanted so I went ahead with it.

Best part was that the mad rush was over and I was able to get right in. No lines, no waiting some long stretch.

As far as the iPhone goes - very nice. Faster than the 3GS for sure and a pleasure to use. No problems syncing as I had moved the 3GS up to iOS 5. Now the 3GS is ready for the grandkids. I have always had a line on my account for them so this phone gets "fixed" for normal GSM use, with iPod touch functions.
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:39 am

Googling through Siri is quite convenient. Even when I'm following the links in Safari after that, the initial search is quicker and simpler to do than typing the query explicitly, and Siri generally gets it correct, even now in the beginning when she's not yet trained to my voice.

Not bad at all. I think I'll get used to her...!   

Interesting that they've selected male voices for the british and french settings and female ones for the rest...
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:30 am

Does the German voice recognition work as well as the English one? Does it translate the Wolfram Alpha search results?
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:41 am

Based on this thread the Apple 5g and how long it was allowed to run is pretty funny. Maybe next year.
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:14 am

This is an article from the Sydney Morning Herald (October 12th, 2011):

Quote:
Samsung has ambushed the launch of the iPhone 4S by offering $2 smartphones in a temporary shop just metres away from the official Sydney Apple store.

Full article: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/m...unch-in-sydney-20111012-1lk0d.html
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:32 pm

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 24):
This is an article from the Sydney Morning Herald (October 12th, 2011):

LOL! How many people were standing in line for 10 phones? And Samsung asking people to stand in line when they know there will be no product for them might make for a good picture, but isn't that impressive.
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:01 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Googling through Siri is quite convenient. Even when I'm following the links in Safari after that, the initial search is quicker and simpler to do than typing the query explicitly, and Siri generally gets it correct, even now in the beginning when she's not yet trained to my voice.

Not bad at all. I think I'll get used to her...!   

Yes Im quite impressed. Was surrounded by my colleagues today at work . Its not out in the Republic til 28th October . They all were impressed by the speed of the Apps and switching between Apps. Also the voice recognition works with different accents also . One of my colleagues has a heavy Belfast accent and thought it wouldnt work but it did  

Also the battery is better than my iPhone 4 . I usually have 17% by the time I get home and now I have 40% ! I also have one more signal bar than the iPhone 4 also . So far well worth the money .
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
Also the battery is better than my iPhone 4 . I usually have 17% by the time I get home and now I have 40% !

Nice, but at least part of that difference could be due to the 4's battery having seen quite a few cycles already, so it may have aged a bit by now.
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):

I guess people were just expecting more (ie iPhone 5).
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
Here in the US, the majority of iPhone 4 users are still under contract and not eligible for upgrades, especially since a large portion of iPhone 4 users got their phones when Verizon finally offered the phone last February. With the exception of the must-have-every-new-version Apple fanboys, there is little reason for an iPhone 4 user still under contract to go through the trouble of upgrading to a phone that is not a whole lot different, when the belief is by waiting until they are eligible for an upgrade a new iPhone will be out.

I'm thinking the same as Silver1SWA. With most iPhone 4 owners still under contract, Apple went the incremental route. Sort of like with the 3G/3GS.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Delivery should be today for mine.

They don't give you one while in development?  
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
Things that the updated SGSII is getting shortly, putting it ahead again.

I'm getting a SGSII next week. On the far superior T-Mobile network.
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Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:00 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
Nice, but at least part of that difference could be due to the 4's battery having seen quite a few cycles already, so it may have aged a bit by now.

Must keep an eye on it . I seem to remember when I got my iPhone 4 first it was not as good as this but I guess time will tell.

I see Apple Care + is not valid in Europe sadly.
 
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Delivery should be today for mine.

They don't give you one while in development?

Why would they? They've got many millions of satisfied users besides me.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:18 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
Must keep an eye on it . I seem to remember when I got my iPhone 4 first it was not as good as this but I guess time will tell.

Interesting. Maybe the network in your area has improved, so the iPhone doesn't need quite as much juice to stay connected by now.

And battery deterioration can be pretty slow. My two-years-old 3GS is still going strong. No battery replacement needed yet.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
I see Apple Care + is not valid in Europe sadly.

Apple Care+ is a mixed blessing anyway: In the US they're apparently replacing a relatively lenient replacement policy (but without clear entitlements) with a clearer, but also more limited policy this way. The good thing is that Apple Care+ will now explicitly cover up to two cases of negligent damage for a relatively small fee, but the other consequence is that the Apple employees have apparently received new guidelines introducing a generally stricter regime about replacements otherwise, with much less informal flexibility.

So you might want to be careful what you wish for...
 
Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Just off home to set mine up.

Interesting detail: Your 4S box appears to have about the same size as the one of my 3GS (nearly square cross section) while mine is much flatter (only about half as high). Could the difference be that in Ireland the charger is still a bulkier one? In Germany they've switched to a flat euro plug, which takes up much less space in the box than my 3GS charger still did:



Interesting that they're actually using different boxes in different regions.
 
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Could the difference be that in Ireland the charger is still a bulkier one? In Germany they've switched to a flat euro plug,

You still get a charger plug??

I thought there were new rules in Europe that dictated phones no longer came with chargers. The law I believe mandated a standard USB charging capability(albeit a new USB connection).
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Quoting racko (Reply 22):
Does the German voice recognition work as well as the English one? Does it translate the Wolfram Alpha search results?

There are a few German Siri tests on Youtube. But so far, Siri doesn't search Wolfram Alpha if used in German, it's only active if set to English.

I'm getting a 4S when it is released here in Switzerland on October 28th, although it's not clear how I'm supposed to pre-order one. It will probably be the usual madness on release day, with all sites being down and nobody from any carrier knowing if and when they will get any.
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:55 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 32):
You still get a charger plug??

I thought there were new rules in Europe that dictated phones no longer came with chargers. The law I believe mandated a standard USB charging capability(albeit a new USB connection).

Every iPod and every iPhone (apart from the earliest FireWire-only models) has always had standard charging capability through USB, and every recent Apple charger just has a standard USB socket, so Apple has never been part of the chaos of phone-specific chargers which brought about the new rule in the first place (which is actually not a law nor an official regulation – it is a industry agreement made to evade the threat of an official regulation).

Standard USB 2 ports just don't provide enough power for quick-charging the iPhone so it will charge more slowly on the standard 2.5W. The Apple charger provides double the power at 5W and the iPhone automatically detects that enhanced capability, so it is a very welcome addition, particularly since it is extremely small and light and it can replace chargers for other USB devices as well.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 33):
There are a few German Siri tests on Youtube. But so far, Siri doesn't search Wolfram Alpha if used in German, it's only active if set to English.

Yes, and location (map) usage is only available in the US at this point (I've checked – it's not just a matter of language). Apple has apparently said that they will add this for more countries "in 2012". Let's just hope it's early 2012, since Siri location services are among the most interesting uses.

Interesting tidbit on the side: The british voice selection also switches time of day format to 24 hours from the american AM/PM. It's not just a gender change...   

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Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Interesting. Maybe the network in your area has improved, so the iPhone doesn't need quite as much juice to stay connected by now.

I actually live in a bad coverage area and have invested in a great new device that Vodafone offer called Sure Signal. Basically you plug it into the back of your Netgear modem and it uses Femtocells to bring a full 5 bars of 3G signal around the whole house. I dont have 3G in my area otherwise. Now testing the phone with 3G switched off I get 4 bars of 2G with my new 4S and still only 3 bars of 2G with the iPhone 4 I did a test today again. No dropped calls on this new one so far either.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Apple Care+ is a mixed blessing anyway:

Personally for me Id love Apple Care + . The security of dropping twice and getting a replacement for $49 would be great for me. Dont forget I paid £499/EUR580 for my 4S and $49 or EUR equiv. would be nothing to pay for piece of mind. Lucky I never had an accident with my iPhone 4 Im very careful with my iPhones. Screen protector back and front and the bumper. Its always in my pocket and even going through security there is a padded compartment in my backpack that it slots into .

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Interesting detail: Your 4S box appears to have about the same size as the one of my 3GS (nearly square cross section) while mine is much flatter (only about half as high). Could the difference be that in Ireland the charger is still a bulkier one? In Germany they've switched to a flat euro plug, which takes up much less space in the box than my 3GS charger still did:

Interesting that must be the case here is the plug/box contents :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/9799456d.jpg

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 33):
I'm getting a 4S when it is released here in Switzerland on October 28th, although it's not clear how I'm supposed to pre-order one

If your with Swisscom you could call them and ask if there was a section on the website to register interest. Vodafone Ireland have one www.vodafone.ie/comingsoon so I wonder if Swisscom has something similar.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
If your with Swisscom you could call them and ask if there was a section on the website to register interest. Vodafone Ireland have one www.vodafone.ie/comingsoon so I wonder if Swisscom has something similar.

Yes there is, and I've already registered there. But by past experience, they actually contact who registered there only about 2 weeks after launch, which means you're getting it 4-6 weeks after launch. If you really want it, you either stand in line in front of a store (where they will likely carry 3-5 units), or you order it online on the Apple Store (which is what I'll probably be doing).
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:36 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
Every iPod and every iPhone (apart from the earliest FireWire-only models) has always had standard charging capability through USB, and every recent Apple charger just has a standard USB socket, so Apple has never been part of the chaos of phone-specific chargers which brought about the new rule in the first place (which is actually not a law nor an official regulation – it is a industry agreement made to evade the threat of an official regulation).

Wrong end of the cable. The agreement is on having Micro-USB ports on the phone so that you don't need any adapters to connect a standard charger to the phone. The commendable intention is to reduce waste by eliminating the necessity for a charger to come with every device.

And Apple has very much been part of the chaos, as they have been (and still are) putting proprietary ports on their phones instead of Micro-USB, just as most other manufacturers used to do. By now most smartphones come with a Micro-USB port for charging. You can charge a Samsung smartphone with a HTC charger without the need for any adapters. You can charge a Nokia smartphone with a SE charger without the need for any adapters.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 36):
But by past experience, they actually contact who registered there only about 2 weeks after launch, which means you're getting it 4-6 weeks after launch. If you really want it, you either stand in line in front of a store (where they will likely carry 3-5 units), or you order it online on the Apple Store (which is what I'll probably be doing).

Oh they have a different system than here than . Im not sure how it will be in Switzerland but I was surprised at the lack of lines here and because I wanted it SIM free I had to go to the Apple store but there were many other phone stores like Carphone Warehouse and Phones 4 U that were almost empty around 10am and all had lots of 4S stock . Even the O2 store had only 8-9 in line. Dont think there is the same demand for on the day buying at least here anyway from my experience on Friday.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:58 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):
Many hoped for LTE,

None who knew that there simply isn't an LTE chipset available which doesn't drain the battery in record time, unfortunately. The chip manufacturers have not caught up to people's expectations yet (nor have most of the networks).

I'd actually go as far as to say it's not so much an LTE issue as improvements in battery technology simply not keeping up with the advancements in personal electronic device technology. We need to see breakthroughs that will enable smartphones to go 1 week or more without a recharge.
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Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:00 am

Quoting racko (Reply 37):
Wrong end of the cable. The agreement is on having Micro-USB ports on the phone so that you don't need any adapters to connect a standard charger to the phone. The commendable intention is to reduce waste by eliminating the necessity for a charger to come with every device.

Interestingly enough, Apple is now selling a Micro-USB-to-iPhone adapter for charging, at least in the UK store:

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD099ZM/A

Should that recommendation of having a standard charger ever become a law, I guess Apple will simply stick such an adapter in every iPhone box sold in the EU.

Personally I like receiving a new charger with every iPhone/iPod/iWhatever: I never have enough of those. For example, I need 1 or 2 in my backpack, I leave one always plugged in at my desk, and one at my bedside. If they shipped the iPhone without chargers, I'd have to buy them separately. And I don't have any micro-USB devices to charge in my house...
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:18 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 40):
Should that recommendation of having a standard charger ever become a law, I guess Apple will simply stick such an adapter in every iPhone box sold in the EU.

...and thereby completely defeating the logic behind it.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 40):
Personally I like receiving a new charger with every iPhone/iPod/iWhatever: I never have enough of those. For example, I need 1 or 2 in my backpack, I leave one always plugged in at my desk, and one at my bedside. If they shipped the iPhone without chargers, I'd have to buy them separately. And I don't have any micro-USB devices to charge in my house...

A charger costs maybe 2 or 3 dollars to make. And you don't have any Micro-USB devices to charge in your house because Apple refuses to put Micro-USB ports on them.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
Personally for me Id love Apple Care + . The security of dropping twice and getting a replacement for $49 would be great for me.

Given how fragile the iPhone 4(S) is (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw ), charging extra for that would be considered outrageous if done by other companies.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:44 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 41):
...and thereby completely defeating the logic behind it.

And the logic being what? To Eliminate waste?

What about all those legacy peripherals that depend on the IPod Connector? Just toss them? Buld adapters specifically for them?

The EU's MOU was about charging wires. The issue is solved with an Iphone adapter, while making car radios. stereo's and other devices still compaitble with the Iphone design and eliminating a bunch of toss away junk.


Eventually it won't matter, especially with iCloud and the WiFi sync and other technologies.

Quoting racko (Reply 41):
Given how fragile the iPhone 4(S) is (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw ), charging extra for that would be considered outrageous if done by other companies.

I have never had an issue with my Iphone 3 or 4 breaking. It is not as fragile as these video's would have you believe.

Quoting racko (Reply 37):
And Apple has very much been part of the chaos, as they have been (and still are) putting proprietary ports on their phones instead of Micro-USB, just as most other manufacturers used to do. By now most smartphones come with a Micro-USB port for charging. You can charge a Samsung smartphone with a HTC charger without the need for any adapters. You can charge a Nokia smartphone with a SE charger without the need for any adapters.

Those smartphones don't interact with the plethora of devices the Iphone and Ipod do. Apple has a legacy base to support due to their popularity.
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:29 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 41):

Given how fragile the iPhone 4(S) is (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw ), charging extra for that would be considered outrageous if done by other companies.

Blimey..  Wow! an iPhone wouldn't survive long with me. I've dropped my Droid on concrete a couple of times, it's still doing fine (bit rough on one corner though).

Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):

Those smartphones don't interact with the plethora of devices the Iphone and Ipod do. Apple has a legacy base to support due to their popularity.

Some manufactures (e.g. Nokia) put a legacy port as well as a MicroUSB port on their phones for the transitionary period. No problem there. Face it, the reason Apple doesn't adopt it isn't practicality so much as distinction. Think different, even if it works against an initiative to reduce waste.
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Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):
And the logic being what? To Eliminate waste?

Eliminate waste and ease of use for customers. With a unified charging port, you can charge your phone everywhere where such a charging cable is available. And with a sufficient installed base of Micro-USB devices, many places will provide such an outlet - libraries, bars, trains etc. - without having to worry about carrying a charger with you.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):
What about all those legacy peripherals that depend on the IPod Connector? Just toss them? Buld adapters specifically for them?
Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):
Apple has a legacy base to support due to their popularity.

Nobody says you can't have both a proprietary port and a Micro-USB port for a transition period.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):
The issue is solved with an Iphone adapter, while making car radios. stereo's and other devices still compaitble with the Iphone design and eliminating a bunch of toss away junk.

What junk is done away with this way? Apple will still have to provide a charger with every product in 2 or 3 years.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):
Eventually it won't matter, especially with iCloud and the WiFi sync and other technologies.

Wireless is still going to eat a lot of battery in 2 years compared to a physical connection.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 42):
I have never had an issue with my Iphone 3 or 4 breaking. It is not as fragile as these video's would have you believe.

Sure it is compared to other smartphones, the iPhone has unprotected glass both on the front and the back. The reason the screen of the iPhone cracks and the screen of the SGS2 doesn't is that Samsung built a small "lip" around the screen that takes the impact (form following function), while on the iPhone the screen takes the impact (function following form).
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:36 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 43):
Some manufactures (e.g. Nokia) put a legacy port as well as a MicroUSB port on their phones for the transitionary period. No problem there. Face it, the reason Apple doesn't adopt it isn't practicality so much as distinction. Think different, even if it works against an initiative to reduce waste.

So in your mind it is better to put the waste in the phone instead of out of it? Ie the adapter. Apple gets to use the one port for folks that don't want to change, and for those that do. If the EU wants Apple to use a cable and adapter port, then they should write a better MOU.

Quoting racko (Reply 44):
unified charging port, you can charge your phone everywhere where such a charging cable is available. And with a sufficient installed base of Micro-USB devices, many places will provide such an outlet - libraries, bars, trains etc. - without having to worry about carrying a charger with you

None of my other devices in my house is a microUSB. Just becase it is now a standard doesn'/t mean there is a lot of infrastucture or demand for it.

Quoting racko (Reply 44):
What junk is done away with this way? Apple will still have to provide a charger with every product in 2 or 3 years.

Not ncessarily, In Europe they can eventually just sell the everything seperately and make more money.

Quoting racko (Reply 44):
What junk is done away with this way?

Anything that requries the Apple IPOD connector to play music . There are tons of peripherals designed with Apple connector.

Quoting racko (Reply 44):
Sure it is compared to other smartphones, the iPhone has unprotected glass both on the front and the back. The reason the screen of the iPhone cracks and the screen of the SGS2 doesn't is that Samsung built a small "lip" around the screen that takes the impact (form following function), while on the iPhone the screen takes the impact (function following form).

Your choice, but my Iphone doesn't suffer from any of these cracks that you propose. However I guess the SGS2 comes with a feature that is desgined for throwing it against the sidewalk and wall.
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Quoting casinterest (Reply 45):
So in your mind it is better to put the waste in the phone instead of out of it?

Far less waste, especially in the long run.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 45):
However I guess the SGS2 comes with a feature that is desgined for throwing it against the sidewalk and wall.

Just like my car comes with tons of features for driving into a wall or my computer comes with a feature against burning down. But of course that's stupid, nobody EVER drops their phone, after all searching for iPhone screen cracked turns up only 79.900.000 hits on google. Never happens!
 
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:35 am

Just a random thought...

I'm really getting annoyed that the biggest selling point for the iPhone 4S is Siri, something that once existed as an app for older iOS devices. I feel bad for the folks who had gotten used to using it, but can no longer use it unless they upgrade their phone because the app servers were shut down the other day.

I love my iPhone, but I get really annoyed with Apple's restrictive practices.
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:45 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 46):
Far less waste, especially in the long run

Possibly... Until microusb is supplanted by something else.

Quoting racko (Reply 46):
phone, after all searching for iPhone screen cracked turns up only 79.900.000 hits on google. Never happens!

I see plenty of Samsung, HTC, and Motorola's out there too. It isn't isolated.

Those that want to prevent this will either A purchase the care plan, or B purchase a protective bumper/case

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 47):
I'm really getting annoyed that the biggest selling point for the iPhone 4S is Siri, something that once existed as an app for older iOS devices. I feel bad for the folks who had gotten used to using it, but can no longer use it unless they upgrade their phone because the app servers were shut down the other day.

I love my iPhone, but I get really annoyed with Apple's restrictive practices.

Well, it is a feature they are selling the Iphone 4s under. However. Apple still has SIRI listed as Beta, which indicates to me , it isn't quite prime time. Hopefully the GA will run under all IOS 5 devices. Not sure of this, but I find it interestng that even Apple's hope page says that SIRI Beta is exlusive to Iphone 4s. If Siri is to remeain on the 4s only, why specify Beta?

I think they don't have the servers to handle the full implementation yet.
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Quoting casinterest (Reply 48):


Well, it is a feature they are selling the Iphone 4s under. However. Apple still has SIRI listed as Beta, which indicates to me , it isn't quite prime time. Hopefully the GA will run under all IOS 5 devices. Not sure of this, but I find it interestng that even Apple's hope page says that SIRI Beta is exlusive to Iphone 4s. If Siri is to remeain on the 4s only, why specify Beta?

I think they don't have the servers to handle the full implementation yet.


My point is that it was available to older iOS devices for about a year or so as a third party app. Then Apple acquire Siri and took it off the app store and then a couple days ago shut down the servers so that the original app would no longer work, forcing people to get the new iPhone if they want to use (or in the case of those already using Siri, continue to use) the feature.
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