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End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:37 am

There is a lot of buzz and a wave of protests among the Cunard loyal passengers community on all Cunard related Facebook pages, blogs and Cunard forums as the world famous cruise liner company is in the process of transferring registration of the Cunard Queens to Hamilton Bermuda.

As one of them posted: “Watch your future’s end…” An interesting historical fact: for the first time in 171 years – since the early days of HM Queen Victoria's reign – there will be no British flagged CUNARD liner. Economic reality hits historical nostalgia rather abruptly.

Cunard claims they are doing this so they can have weddings at sea but the true underlying reason seems to be avoiding the UK’s national minimum wage laws. Their point is reducing wages and getting increased sales from weddings.

Not good, Cunard!


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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:52 am

From BBC News

Cunard announces it will drop the British flag

Luxury cruise company Cunard has announced its ships will stop sailing under the British flag.
The company said it was being done to allow weddings to be held on board as ships registered in the UK cannot conduct marriages.
The company's three ships Queen Mary 2, Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth will instead fly the flag of Bermuda.
The port of Hamilton will also replace the name of Southampton on the stern from next spring.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15366562

The shame be on Cunard (now owned by Carnival Corporation)

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Edited:

Outrage as iconic Cunard ships drop the British flag

By Travelmail Reporter
Last updated at 11:42 AM on 20th October 2011

Critics have questioned whether Cunard can call itself British at all anymore, the cruise line itself is owned by American giant Carnival Corporation and will no longer have a single ship registered in the UK.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...rage-passengers.html#ixzz1bJx4ZIf7


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Re-edit...


Cunard to register ships in Bermuda to cash in on wedding business
12:41pm Wednesday 19th October 2011

THE name Southampton will disappear from the stern of Cunard's three main ships as the company will switch their registration to Bermuda.
The company today confirmed the money-spinning move, first revealed by the Daily Echo, which will allow the liners Queen Mary 2, Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth to host marriages at sea, an increasingly lucrative business.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/ship...n__to_disappear_from_Cunard_ships/

There is a facebook campaign here
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-cunard/262192853825411?sk=wall

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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:55 pm

But as Bermuda is still a British colony, it will still be a British flag of sorts...

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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:14 pm

It can't be that many weddings on cruiseships ...Lousiest excuse I have ever heard !

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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:54 pm

It is a cost savings I am sure. No real big deal does anyone really pick a cruise based on what flag the ship is flying.
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:02 pm

I suspect that this is mainly done for substantual finanical reasons. Bermuda is still part of the UK empire, still part of their court systems but with very low taxes to Carvinal vs. the UK, saving probably millions in various ways.
 
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:04 am

At least they are not being registered in Panama.

I'll miss the familiar "Southampton" though.
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:01 am

Shipping is a global industry that can (and should) be anywhere - why should an american-owned company running French-made ships between Miami and the Caribbean, or whatever they are doing now, be registered in the UK when that will only lead to higher operating costs (taxes, etc)? There is a reason shipping is the only industry that still works in Greece - because the government has not been able to get their paws on it as the ships are registered on Panama and Liberia, the working capital is in Switzerland and in ports around the world, etc.
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:52 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
There is a reason shipping is the only industry that still works in Greece

Greece has many thriving companies and industries that work very well under Greek registrations. Just people like you and the media only focus on the bad aspects as usual. If your going to post at least make it factual.

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As for the Cunard issue it doesnt really matter , its just nostalgia that doesnt exist anymore. You cant keep something registered in the UK just because it has been for the last 100 years. Cunard is nothing like its former glory now anyway. The product is a Disney version trying to be the old Cunard.
 
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:06 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
You cant keep something registered in the UK just because it has been for the last 100 years

This is a cheap and easy way to avoid EU employment laws and get out of paying their crew decent wages and affording them decent employment protection.


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Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:13 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
This is a cheap and easy way to avoid EU employment laws and get out of paying their crew decent wages and affording them decent employment protection.

Oh I dont disagree with you there. They have done it on alot of cruise lines and ferry companies. We had it here in Ireland with Irish Ferries also. They pay peanuts and work them 24/7. Thats the nature of the beast though and to compete Cunard I guess have to save £££'s .
 
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:14 am

Hmmmm.... for some reason I thought the Cunard company was based in Halifax, N.S.
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:19 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
This is a cheap and easy way to avoid EU employment laws and get out of paying their crew decent wages and affording them decent employment protection.

No doubt the UK charge sky high registration fees for cruise ships if the taxes they charge to airline passengers are anything to go by. This is just a business being pragmatic to ensure that it can continue to employ and entertain people.
 
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RE: End Of An Era As Cunard Re-registers To Hamilton

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:05 am

This is a little bit like British Airways registering their aircraft out of the UK, which sounds ludicrous. The QM2 is one ship that should always, always be registered in Great Britain, for she is a semi-symbol of English sea faring tradition. This is such a shame, and perhaps a straw too far for Carnival Cunard. One must not forget that had it not been for Carnival Cunard is likely not to exist anymore, but the fact that the cruising/ocean liner industry is now controlled by accountants mean they will make the biggest changes to save a penny, as they have no passion or love for what they do. I assure you if you walk into Carnival Corp. HQ very few people who take these decisions would be truly passionate about Cunard, rather than scrutinizing every report trying to save a cent here and there. With companies like NCL, RCI, even Carnival Cruise Line it's different, but when you get to Cunard, your dealing with more than just a cruise line, your dealing with a shipping line so deep in its history, that if you don't make a potential extra minuscule sum, but keep the brand alive in its true form, it would pay off.

A great shame.

Again, there is a difference between Seabourn, Silversea, Seadream and Cunard- they are cruise lines, not the flagcarrier of the world's civilian maritime fleet. They can almost be seen as a halo product. Just like Holland America Line would loose it if it wasn't Dutch, the Cunard Line would loose something if it wasn't truly British.

HAL still flys the Dutch flag, and they are better for it.

Where are the days of patriotism, where one was ready to not make a few thousand pounds less to make their nation shine in pride?

Today the Cunard Line finally broke off their last connection with their past, the fact that the QM2 is no longer a Royal Mail Ship, and no longer the flagship of the British Maritime fleet. For all intents and purposes, it's just another cruise line.

It was only 10 years ago that the Cunard Line sold the QE2 transatlantic crossings as ways to get from A to B, rather than as cruises. You could buy a round-trip (with some time in the USA, not just back to back) on one ticket, one way, or alternatively a crossing to the USA and Concorde back. Now that is all but gone.


Carnival saved Cunard, but Cunard also lost it's identity when it was saved by Carnival.

Also, people say that the Cunard Line needs to stay competitive- sure it does, but it currently charges the highest premium out of every mass-market line, and it's F/J product is as expensive as the ultra-luxury lines, if not more sometimes. They could easily, easily pay the crew the increase in wages, as the cruise fare itself is so inflated.

Also the way the Cunard Line is handling this is really an insult to it's passenger's intelligence. If they had simply come out and said it was getting to expensive to register the ships in GB, people would have been a lot more understanding than saying it was just to get weddings at sea, a weak and meek excuse.

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