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Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:23 pm

Well if Republicans won't like this story repeated across MSM airways... it's gonna drive Rush nuts!

Obama Has Written Personal Checks To Struggling Americans

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ama-personal-checks_n_1019501.html

On more than one occasion, the president has cut personal checks to struggling Americans who've written to the White House, according to an excerpt from a new book by Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow about the ten letters the president reads every day.

"It's not something I should advertise, but it has happened," the president told Saslow.



But I must agree with one of the readers posting a comment...

Americans are a nasty bunch of people.. they'll find a way to attack this as well...

Let's see how spot on that fella is...

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:48 pm

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Let's see how spot n that fella is...

Well, when you stack the deck like that...

Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies. We've seen how well those have worked for him.


Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.  


I really want to see the personal stories from those he has sent checks. I feel those would be quite enlightening.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:27 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies. We've seen how well those have worked for him.

Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.

Pretty good start, however you forgot to insert the token "communist".  
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:49 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 2):
you forgot to insert the token "communist".

Not my style.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies.

Well, there's affordable healthcare...oh wait. That's socialist. That's why the GOP was elected, so that people pay more for healthcare and other stuff.

Let's see...there's the ARRA...oh wait...that's socialist too. That's why the GOP was elected, because people don't want money.

Well, there's the Jobs bill...oh wait, that too is socialist, and was filibustered by the GOP. Yeah, people elected them to make sure no jobs are created.

Hm...what else?

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.

Credit where credit is due. Obama is not perfect, but then again he didn't cause the economic downturn that resulted in the unemployment rate skyrocketing. We all want unemployment to drop to -10% (as in, plenty of jobs for everyone) and an economy running again, but not everything is ideal in the world. At least I'm satisfied with the economic downturn contained. Better to have a sluggish, slightly growing economy than a full blown out recession (though our new friends at Capitol Hill seem to think otherwise).
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:24 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
there's affordable healthcare

Where? If "Obamacare" were truely about "affordable" health care, there wouldn't be the need for waivers. I'm all for affordable healthcare, most people are, but that affordability is not going to be legislated into place by any administration.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
there's the ARRA

Yep, spent a lot of money and did exactly squat to stimulate the economy.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
there's the Jobs bill

Spend a lot more money, that isn't there, to "save" jobs that can't be sustained in reality.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Obama is not perfect, but then again he didn't cause the economic downturn that resulted in the unemployment rate skyrocketing.

But he is the man in "the hot seat" now. It's his ball game and nothing has improved.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:27 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
It's his ball game and nothing has improved.

Would you prefer the uncontained downturn we had a couple of years ago?
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:27 pm

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:50 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):
Would you prefer the uncontained downturn we had a couple of years ago?

Don't put words in my mouth.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:59 pm

Well this is a very nice thing to do. And I'm glad it wasn't blatantly thrown out there (unless he planned this all along, but I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories.) Whether or not you like his policies, it's hard to say that this was a bad,evil move
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Obama Has Written Personal Checks To Struggling Americans

What he does with his own money is his business.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Well, there's affordable healthcare...oh wait

Well a big chunk of that was abandoned last week due to a lack of interest (CLASS Act). A shame he didn't spend some time promoting that part of it since that actually is a place where people could stand to have some insurance.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Let's see...there's the ARRA...

Let's see, unemployment still well above 8%, teachers, police and firefighters that were helped are in danger of being let go again due to a lack of funds so we get:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Well, there's the Jobs bill...

Which sends more money to the States to retain those same teachers, police, and firefighters. Refresh my memory, how long did it take the President to find a gullible soul in either house of Congress to actually introduce the bill for consideration?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Better to have a sluggish, slightly growing economy

Better to have a vibrant recovery but it won't happen with this bunch in charge.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):
Would you prefer the uncontained downturn we had a couple of years ago?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Did I say you said that? You are criticizing Obama and saying nothing has improved. I ask you: would you prefer the uncontained downturn? Because if you don't think that at least stabilizing job losses and the economy (not so much that it's going full power but neither that it continues to go downward) is not improvement, then you and I live in opposite universes. We could be better, but I'm just glad we're not worse.

Let's look at it from another perspective: a ship is taking in water. The captain manages to plug the hole, though there's still a slight leak. Would you prefer that the hole be unplugged, taking in water, or would you prefer that small leak?
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:26 pm

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Americans are a nasty bunch of people.. they'll find a way to attack this as well...

Obama's wasting his time and money...the unions can write those checks. His rich Hollywood libs can write them, Warren Buffett can write them, Soros can write them....

OR.....

MAYBE....

Wait for it...

HE could get out of the way of the American people by having policies that enable this need to dissolve.
 
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:41 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
You are criticizing Obama and saying nothing has improved.

Correct.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
would you prefer the uncontained downturn?

Yeah, because that was absolutely the only alternative.  

Look, sometimes to learn a lesson one needs to fall flat on their face. Doing so teaches us to watch our step. The bailouts and stimulus didn't do that. Instead of falling flat on our faces, we got saved. The end result? We still haven't learned to watch our step. We (the US as a whole) will face plant. Only when it does happen, the results will far, far worse. Largely because we still believe that spending money we don't have and implementing "feel good" programs will solve our woes.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:46 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
Look, sometimes to learn a lesson one needs to fall flat on their face. Doing so teaches us to watch our step. The bailouts and stimulus didn't do that. Instead of falling flat on our faces, we got saved. The end result? We still haven't learned to watch our step. We (the US as a whole) will face plant. Only when it does happen, the results will far, far worse. Largely because we still believe that spending money we don't have and implementing "feel good" programs will solve our woes.

Quoting for reinforcement. Spot on, AMEN!

And another thing--Obama won't find much sympathy with this martyr routine. If anyone thinks this was not contrived, they're terribly naive.
 
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:47 pm

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
On more than one occasion, the president has cut personal checks to struggling Americans who've written to the White House, according to an excerpt from a new book by Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow about the ten letters the president reads every day.

"It's not something I should advertise, but it has happened," the president told Saslow.

Reagan did it, quite often in fact. It's just that it wasn't publicized until his biography came out. One time someone didn't cash the check and he called them himself to find out why. They had framed the check and didn't plan to cash it. He wrote out another one to them.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:11 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
It's his ball game and nothing has improved.

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a little bipartisan activity occurring.Then perhaps things might improve, just might.

That's the way to achieve things....

Like health care for all.

Quoting dxing (Reply 10):
Better to have a vibrant recovery but it won't happen with this bunch in charge.

And you think the "other" lot would do a better job...... yeah right, just like last time.... right?
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:15 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
And you think the "other" lot would do a better job...... yeah right, just like last time.... right?

Yep, just like last time, and the time before that, and the time before that. Niether Presidents Bush 43, Clinton, or Reagan saddled the American business community with so much regulation and fiscal uncertainty as President Obama has. As a result this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:23 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 17):
Yep, just like last time, and the time before that, and the time before that. Niether Presidents Bush 43, Clinton, or Reagan saddled the American business community with so much regulation and fiscal uncertainty as President Obama has. As a result this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.

And why is this, because he's trying to clean up past messes.

Nobody has a crystal ball here. Different approaches have to be tried, some will work and others wont. But there has been decades of mismanagement from one Gov to the next. This will not be fixed by any magic panacea, nor will it be fixed over night, it will take decades to climb out of this hole. Same for Europe.

Quoting dxing (Reply 17):
As a result this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.

I wouldn't call it a recovery just yet.... there is a long way to got before I'd use that word.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:25 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 15):
Reagan did it, quite often in fact. It's just that it wasn't publicized until his biography came out. One time someone didn't cash the check and he called them himself to find out why. They had framed the check and didn't plan to cash it. He wrote out another one to them.

Did he? You're right...it's all here


Very interesting.. let's try this show below on another foot and see how it fits - I've emboldened the change..

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
Reagan's wasting his time and money...the unions can write those checks. His rich Hollywood libs can write them, Walter Annenberg can write them, Fred Hartley can write them....

OR.....

MAYBE....

Wait for it...

HE could get out of the way of the American people by having policies that enable this need to dissolve.

..hmmm bet you can't get the hate bunch to agree to that statement for second in the face of Reaganomics..

Reaganomics? Feel good gimmicks you say...the conditions then then

New Gilded Age The original Gilded Age was corrupt and gave the rich goods and services, while the poor went hungry. The gold gild described by author Mark Twain was the apparent wealth of society, while the core of society was dark and corrupt. Reagan's Gilded Age gave the same appearance of wealth, but the realty didn't match Reagan and his supporters vision of greatness.

Fact: Wages for the middle class went down under Reagan's terms in office.
Fact: Homeownership fell during both terms.
Fact: The number of people in the upper class rose, while the number joining the poverty class of poverty.
Fact: Real income fell during the Reagan Administration


Conditions as bad if not worse than today..

Notice .. no addressing the plight of people who need help right now... just go after Obama are the marching orders and boy do they march, but here's one with the 'piss on them all' approach..

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
Look, sometimes to learn a lesson one needs to fall flat on their face. Doing so teaches us to watch our step. The bailouts and stimulus didn't do that. Instead of falling flat on our faces, we got saved. The end result? We still haven't learned to watch our step. We (the US as a whole) will face plant. Only when it does happen, the results will far, far worse. Largely because we still believe that spending money we don't have and implementing "feel good" programs will solve our woes.

Yeah, listen to this guy...stumble out of being a superpower and just get back up... no sweat! Countries do it all the time.

Yeah, run a country like you raise you child. Read the Reagan link, a paragraph above his writing checks part it ..says that's exactly the approach Reagan took with his kids while writing those checks to the needy... and look at how his kids turned - several Lindsey Lohans under one roof. There's a working formula if I ever saw one.


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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:29 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
And why is this, because he's trying to clean up past messes.

And doing an extremly poor job of it. Part of the problem is the people he chooses to help manage the clean up. Part of it is his idea of what constitutes "fairness".

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
Nobody has a crystal ball here.

Most definitely not this President or any of his economic advisors.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
Different approaches have to be tried, some will work and others wont.

Why in the world would you try an re-invent the wheel?

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
nor will it be fixed over night

It's been 2 1/2 years. Even the one in the 80's that rivaled this one did not take as long to show signs of solid recovery.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
Why in the world would you try an re-invent the wheel?

Because apparently the "wheel" we have right now is not working and people don't want patches for it to work.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:56 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
I wouldn't call it a recovery just yet.... there is a long way to got before I'd use that word.


That's just it, it shouldn't be a long way to go. It should already be under way has it has in the past. The problem is government that is in the way instead of making way.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 21):
Because apparently the "wheel" we have right now is not working and people don't want patches for it to work


All the more reason to re-examine the 1986 tax deal as well as freeing up businesses from the threat of increased government costs and bureaucracy.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:57 pm

I wonder if any of those checks have been to the IRS? Since he makes well above the level at which he considers "rich" it would only be right for him to send some more to the IRS.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:07 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Very interesting.. let's try this show below on another foot and see how it fits - I've emboldened the change..

I don't think I'd go so far and put words in other people's mouths.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Reaganomics? Feel good gimmicks you say...the conditions then then

I only only pointing out that Obama isn't the first president that's done it, and likely won't be the last. Every president contributes to charity in one form or another. Even GHWB and Clinton work together in various charitable organizations.

If your thread is about the president writing personal checks to people, then don't make it about Reagan's policies/politics because that has nothing to do with a $50 check someone got from Obama.

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 24):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Very interesting.. let's try this shoe below on another foot and see how it fits - I've emboldened the change..

I don't think I'd go so far and put words in other people's mouths.

The point - since it flew over your head is - you have two presidents, doing the same things in the same economic conditions and one is being assailed upon and the other revered for it.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 24):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Reaganomics? Feel good gimmicks you say...the conditions then then

I only only pointing out that Obama isn't the first president that's done it, and likely won't be the last. Every president contributes to charity in one form or another. Even GHWB and Clinton work together in various charitable organizations.

If your thread is about the president writing personal checks to people, then don't make it about Reagan's policies/politics because that has nothing to do with a $50 check someone got from Obama.

Regardless of what you pointed out ... I highlighted the state of the nation them and now. And how it exposes the hypocrisy of the critics.

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Yeah, listen to this guy...stumble out of being a superpower and just get back up... no sweat! Countries do it all the time.

Sigh. Spending money we do not have will not allow us to maintain our superpower status either. If we step down for a bit, the world will keep spinning. Let the EU handle things for a while. Let's see if they can do a better job.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Yeah, run a country like you raise you child.

Seems only fitting. Congress and Presidents for decades have been acting like a spoiled teenager with daddy's credit card for decades.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:27 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
Part of the problem is the people he chooses to help manage the clean up. Part of it is his idea of what constitutes "fairness".

What all of them, I'm sorry but I cant believe they are ALL terrible.

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
Most definitely not this President or any of his economic advisors.

And probably not ANY president, wherever he/she might be in the world. These are new challenges hes faced with, in fact these are NEW challenges for the entire world to try and deal with.

There is NO instruction book with this game, more like try it, and see what happens, and then go further from there.

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
Why in the world would you try an re-invent the wheel?

Nobody is trying to reinvent the wheel. All anyone (at this point in time anyway, and from leaders all over the world) is trying to just inflate it to get it rolling again.

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
It's been 2 1/2 years. Even the one in the 80's that rivaled this one did not take as long to show signs of solid recovery.

And you think that's a long time.  Wow!

How about 10, 20, 30 years, that's what it will take.

2.5 years is nothing when you look at the amount of debt/problems that needs to be dealt with.

I reckon, whoever it is in power, it will take them decades to clean this mess up, but it wont be easy and there will be a very unpleasant after taste for many many years because of all this.

BTW, the 80's episode was nothing like this, how you can compare the two I don't know.


Quoting dxing (Reply 22):
It should already be under way has it has in the past.

You keep speaking about the past, what happened in the past can't be compared to this.

Why ?

Because, we, the world, have never faced such a serious crisis from so many different angles.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:58 am

Obama writes some checks to people who need it. Kudos to him for doing that. Boos to him for tooting his own horn about it.

Now if we can only stop him from writing checks from OUR checkbook to create jobs overseas.

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:10 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 28):
Boos to him for tooting his own horn about it.

Eh, it's part of a book (one line, really) with a specific and relevant subject - can't really fault him for admitting it. It's not like he's holding a press conference to tell the nation.

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:14 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Well, when you stack the deck like that...

Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies. We've seen how well those have worked for him.


Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.  


I really want to see the personal stories from those he has sent checks. I feel those would be quite enlightening.

Something tells me ... that if Obama could cure HIV , you would attack him for not curing Cancer .

For some people, there is no win.

Can someone please find me a 21st century economy which has been rebuilt in 3 years?

Mixing "mental" in with "nasty" is better tailored towards many posters. Give a man 8 years to destroy a country without saying a word ( I am assuming ) , yet you condemn the other who has ATTEMPTED to implement more policies than Bush ( regarding each others first terms respectively). He has been shot down, again, and again, and again, and again.

Political extremism at its finest.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:23 am

Quoting FoxTwo (Reply 30):
Mixing "mental" in with "nasty" is better tailored towards many posters. Give a man 8 years to destroy a country without saying a word ( I am assuming ) , yet you condemn the other who has ATTEMPTED to implement more policies than Bush ( regarding each others first terms respectively). He has been shot down, again, and again, and again, and again.

Hypocrisy at it's best.
 
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:43 am

Quoting AustinAllison (Reply 31):
Hypocrisy at it's best.

You don't know me - and I have never expressed any views on that matter.

Ignorance at its best.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:42 am

So now I see what this lady meant when she said Obama was going to pay for her gas and mortgage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

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Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Americans are a nasty bunch of people..

Perhaps you should travel more. There are much nastier people on this planet.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:31 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Americans are a nasty bunch of people..

Perhaps you should travel more. There are much nastier people on this planet.

If only you knew...

I'm way ahead of that of that line of thought (and faulty perception).. I'm very aware of how ruthless many societies on the planet are.


See video of the little girl in China getting run over and no one cared to help? (she died today)
..a reflection of that society.

Look up the video of the SoCal woman who ran over a female pedestrian with a baby in a stroller with an SUV
and kept going.

I'm aware of wealthy Indians and Arabs who 'hire' immigrant workers, house servants and then steal their wages, abuse, maim, rape and even kill them without impunity.

Latin and African nations were cops extort and rape wives and school girls.

I've even be on flights and over heard other biz travelers nearby brag boast and toast their afterglow of traveling 1000s of miles for underaged sexual activity.

I don't need you to try and tell me there are nastier people on the planet..I'm more aware of the uglliness on this planet than you are by a long shot. If you had any idea, the comment you made in another thread about being happy about China's rise..you'd take that back in a heartbeat.

But the bottomline is THIS is the United States of America, a flawed nation built on a faulty foundation that has managed to hold itself together against all odds and break all records of human achievements like no other nation before it. And right now it is ripping itself apart over too simple causes - greed and stupidity!

Unprecedented Greed led to the largest Financial cases of Fraud ever...the Financial Crises under the Reagan Administration and a second run under the GW Bush Administration. And although none occurred under Carter, Clinton or Obama.. they knew what was going on and senior members of each most likely profited from it.

The stupidity is anchored in the minds of many who who don't realize the world is going to change even if you don't want to - hanging on to your old antiquated ideas of security and status quo is already crumbling beneath your feet.

A society that believes in an 'eye for an eye' mentality leaves the whole world blind.. - Ghandi

And common-folk America as of late is slipping down that road out of sheer confusion and desperation. Right now, with a crumbling middle class and the number of American children living below the poverty line .. out numbers the population 40 of the 50 states. To ignore that most threatening statistic and focus on any other concerns than putting people back to work is complete insanity!


This can only continue to occur if the American people allow it..

An advancing world of change is bigger than the United States.. so it had better embrace it and get on board and keep leading...or lock gates, keep to yourself and get out of the way..there are many willing to pick up the baton and take your place.


The American people have the longest standing tenure as the most benevolent people in human history... and that still remains. But internally, it is a house in chaos.

So to say ...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Perhaps you should travel more. There are much nastier people on this planet.

..is a tacit endorsement of basically saying 'it's okay for us to be as nasty or that there is worse..so what..!

Such short sighted perspective paves the way to bring us to the level of all the ugly examples I've cited above.. but our history tells us we are the gold standard of an ever more increasing diverse world. Only this nation has made such great numbers of diverse peoples work. So we are above the nations that have a lesser practice and respect for the rule of law and there is no advantage whatsoever for us to follow down the path of 'nastier people'. We already know what it looks like, where it leads ..and how it ends. Nasty and indifferent attitudes as shown here by many ..is exactly what will take us there.

Sorry I don't buy into 'we can be just as nasty as the others' and it's okay... with one exception.

Warfare, that fight must be just... and it must be to win. The keep terms there are 'just' and 'win'.

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:13 am

Quoting slider (Reply 14):

And another thing--Obama won't find much sympathy with this martyr routine. If anyone thinks this was not contrived, they're terribly naive.

No more or less contrived then writing letters to parents of dead soldiers. Looking good is part of the game, and this is just how he wants to do it. What I'm not seeing is why there's enough harm in it to pick on him for doing it...

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):

Nobody has a crystal ball here. Different approaches have to be tried, some will work and others wont. But there has been decades of mismanagement from one Gov to the next. This will not be fixed by any magic panacea, nor will it be fixed over night, it will take decades to climb out of this hole. Same for Europe.

True enough. But I think we pretty much invented the instant gratification culture here. It really doesn't matter that this recession is pretty much our fault (as american Citizens, I mean), or that there is no possible way that we'll be able to ameliorate the effects it's having in the next half decade. We want results now, and lord have mercy on Obama if he cannot deliver a big, supersized, PFM solution that pleases absolutely everybody, starting yesterday...

Absolutely amazing that the guy can write a check to someone, from his own personal savings, still get this result. If it gets any worse, he'll have as bad a time as Bush II!
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:52 am

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 35):
True enough. But I think we pretty much invented the instant gratification culture here. It really doesn't matter that this recession is pretty much our fault (as american Citizens, I mean), or that there is no possible way that we'll be able to ameliorate the effects it's having in the next half decade. We want results now, and lord have mercy on Obama if he cannot deliver a big, supersized, PFM solution that pleases absolutely everybody, starting yesterday...

I agree with you pretty much

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 35):
Absolutely amazing that the guy can write a check to someone, from his own personal savings, still get this result. If it gets any worse, he'll have as bad a time as Bush II!

Unfortunately for Obama, I think what should have happened or the way it should have played out is, as you Americans might prefer to say, is that he should have written the check through a third person (someone anonymous)
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:30 pm

I have one problem with Mr. Obama: He is NOT Enough Liberal and Social.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:45 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
What all of them, I'm sorry but I cant believe they are ALL terrible.

It's not that they are "terrible", the problem is experience. A fair amount of these advisors come from academia and have no real world experience. It is similar to the exchange between Rodney Dangerfield and the college economics professor in "Back to School".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
And probably not ANY president, wherever he/she might be in the world.

Since we have had several Presidents in the past 100 years that have faced economic downturns and been successful in helping to turn things around I would disagree with that statement as it pertains to our country.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
These are new challenges hes faced with, in fact these are NEW challenges for the entire world to try and deal with.

No they are not. Housing and real estate booms and busts have happened before as have banking crisis.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
Nobody is trying to reinvent the wheel.

Yes they are. By printing and/or borrowing money by the dump truck full in a failing attempt to prop up public service union employees rather than working with business leaders on comprehensive tax and regulation plans this administration is trying to re-invent the wheel and the policies chosen have failed. Yet rather than going back to what has been proven to work the President is pushing a plan that essentially gives the same policies a second chance to fail.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
And you think that's a long time.

Compared to the other recoveries in the past 50-60 years, yes, this is taking much longer than it should.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
BTW, the 80's episode was nothing like this, how you can compare the two I don't know.

That is incorrect. Unemployment actually reached over 10%, the housing market was in a slump, interest rates were at or near double digits, the auto industry was laying off by the thousands, in addition the steel industry was being decimated by cheap foreign steel, the textile industry was being decimated by cheap foreign goods from Central and South America, and an oil bust had just occurred. So this recession is no worse than that one yet due to the policies that the Reagan administration put in place within two years unemployment had fallen almost 3% and people actually felt things turning around. Contrast that with today where almost everyone can feel the economy just floundering.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
You keep speaking about the past, what happened in the past can't be compared to this.

I think I have shown it can, and that it could be managed much better than it is.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:52 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 38):
So this recession is no worse than that one yet due to the policies that the Reagan administration put in place within two years unemployment had fallen almost 3% and people actually felt things turning around.

Which included raising taxes when it was pointed out that raising spending and lowering taxes was not working.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Americans are a nasty bunch of people..

Perhaps you should travel more. There are much nastier people on this planet.

My reply #34 was made after getting in from a night out..and not the best moment to not give pause before knocking out a few keystrokes..but to elaborate on the why I supported the foreigner's comment 'Americans are a nasty bunch of people..' by a post from the original article..

Reading between the lines of what that fella meant is where my connection to his meaning lies. What he clearly means is this ... 'that Americans are a people held to a greater standard, they've managed in part to place themselves in that position. And he's right ...we have. As many conservatives like boast '.look at what country many from the world like to immigrate to (all the while criticizing it).. And we are imperfect, with our weekly mass school/office killings and nutcase politicians talking about 'electrifying undocumented peoples attempting illegal entry, etc - but I'm certain he knows his country whatever that may be, has it's own ugly anti-social moments they'd rather not discuss. But there's a frustration expressed here with regard to the stratospheric civility that many around the globe come to know about the American society, they know that their own nations are trying to pattern themselves in some similar form - not any cultural mimicking of any sort (leave that to the corporations) - but in the sense of establishing a more open and diverse society which many of them lack.

Many of the great European capitals have diverse expanding societies - and have had them for centuries - but not at the numbers of today, and the growing discontent in many of them is beginning to show as they feel more and more encroached upon, they are lashing out - good economy or bad economy - many of them are just not to thrilled about it. In America, when things are good, better or just perfectly humming along, the influx of varied cultures from wherever is simply no big deal - esp in the metropolises. That's where we differ, in America most accept those of a different persuasion as very well 'being an American' if they come across as American (not as in looks as in earlier years) but in mannerisms and behavior. But in China or India, Japan and most places, not matter how well you assimilate, speak the language, adept to the culture & customs..at the end of the day...you are not them. Born there or not.That's where the divide lies and never ends,..but America is paving the way and writing the rules of how that works..and it's been a huge under taking and a work-in-progress ever since. That is what that gentleman was 'expressing with his 'nasty people' comment.
He knows little or next nothing of the intricacies of the Wall Street scandal, or the Occupy Wall Street protest (or maybe he understands it all better many Americans themselves)... but what he sees is the American President doing something his nation's leaders would never do amid a crippling financial crisis..and compounded by the last decade of Americans bickering with one another over the most insipid of issues - he knew that this conduct would spill over into many attacking a US President pulling out his checkbook to assist some individuals in great distress... and maybe that anticipation was a bit much to take against what is image of what Americans are.

Because the last thing many abroad want to see ..is Americans ripping themselves apart and come crashing down..because if the Americans go down, they know they cannot be far behind..where is there any hope for their society for bettering itself?

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:55 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 34):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 40):

Relax.
Even though I've been critical of President Obama recently, I still commend him for his generosity.
I was just having a little fun taking a few cheap shots.  

My question is, will Obama be as generous after he is defeated next year?
He makes million$ giving speeches and his is really popular in Europe. Heck in Germany, he is more popular than David Hasselhoff. He'll probably make more money as a fmr. President.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:09 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
My question is, will Obama be as generous after he is defeated next year?

I can see others actually criticizing him for giving speeches and earning money from them...you know...the usual attacks at all former US presidents. My question to you is how can you be so sure that he will be defeated? The current contenders are losing in the polls against Obama.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:11 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 39):
Which included raising taxes when it was pointed out that raising spending and lowering taxes was not working.


Which inclued lowering rates in 1982 with an adjustment in 1983 and a total revamp which lowered rates and eliminated loopholes in 1986. In addition, President Reagan agreed to the increase in 1983 when Tip O'Neil agreed that there would be $2 in spending cuts to every $1 in revenue increases. The spending cuts never fully materialized. It is one of the primary reasons that the Tea Party and some conservative GOP members are adamant that spending cuts happen first this time around.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:13 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
He makes million$ giving speeches and his is really popular in Europe. Heck in Germany, he is more popular than David Hasselhoff. He'll probably make more money as a fmr. President.

If you're into counting what's in peoples wallets..I guess that's of some importance..

Giving his time as a 'Community Organizer' is indicative of his charitable nature with time most of us just done have. I don't think exiguous will be a term ever associated with this man.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Even though I've been critical of President Obama recently, I still commend him for his generosity.
I was just having a little fun taking a few cheap shots

That's mighty big of you. I'm surprised there's room to pile any more cheap shots on the guy after that excessive silly crap flying around the airwaves and chatboards.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
My question is, will Obama be as generous after he is defeated next year?

By who exactly?

Romney? - If what we've seen on tv here is what you're gonna get.. buyers remorse has already kicked in. Huge segments of his own party can't get past the Mormon thing. He's about as one dimensional as a human can get... a cardboard cut out has more fluidity and depth.

Cain? - Although none will admit it, not only is he being unmasked as being stupider by the minute..but it may soon be questioned as how in the hell did Pillsbury promote him to run their Godfather Pizza division.Although it's a plus that many GOP'ers can call him 'My new Black friend'..the core truth of the matter when it comes down to it.. the real nitty gritty, he's waaayyy to black skinned for many in the GOP deep corners. It's bad enough for them that mocha colored Obama is sitting in that Oval Office chair... someone that dark sitting there??? That's meant only for tv shows and movies in their minds..no matter how much he thinks, acts and sounds like them. His 'Electric fence' silliness this week essentially killed the Latino vote. The John Stossel interview was a complete disaster - where he couldn't explain the difference Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life.And I thought Palin was stupid..this was a PR handler's worst nightmare - aired live!

Perry? - The public seems more and more George Bush (and possibly worse) in him as the hours drone on. His not being even close to the 'sharpest knife in the drawer' makes even the Republican-Lite sector uneasy. His Niggerhead ranch didn't score him any points in multiple minority sectors.

Gingrich? - He has more political (bad) baggage than he is (bad personal baggage) too his ex wife, I'm guessing he's looking for an exit strategy about right now.

Santorum? Really? the guy who's deeply immersed in the never-ending war against Butt Sex?

Bachman? = Election Over

Paul? - Perhaps the best bet.. because he'd bring the Dems and the Repubs together so fast the Large Hadron Collider couldn't keep up. And he'd be rendered useless in his 1st week.


..and Huntsman, he's too cerebral for the GOP core base.

..so who is this winning candidate to take down Obama?

BN747 - edited to add Santorum

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:39 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
as being stupider by the minute


Stupider?

President Obama's problem with re-election is that he either has to run on his record, or run a solidly negative campaign. Neither option is appealing. Unless the economy does a major turn around in the next 12 months, when whomever the GOP candidate asks "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" the answer will be no and blaming President Bush won't get it.

He can come out with the feel good stories about how he is sending checks to people, like I said what he does with his own money is his business, but those stories won't matter in the big picture. He will have had a full term to turn things around and if unemployment is still at 9% and deficits are still running around a trillion, as long as the GOP candidate doesn't get vicious or say something terribly stupid, this President will be remembered for one term.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:59 pm

Quoting FoxTwo (Reply 30):
Something tells me ... that if Obama could cure HIV , you would attack him for not curing Cancer .

You would be wrong in your assessment.
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 45):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 44):
as being stupider by the minute


Stupider?

In Cain's case..yes, dumber is far too mild.

Quoting dxing (Reply 45):
President Obama's problem with re-election is that he either has to run on his record, or run a solidly negative campaign. Neither option is appealing. Unless the economy does a major turn around in the next 12 months, when whomever the GOP candidate asks "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" the answer will be no and blaming President Bush won't get it.

The economy could be right where it is today..and he'd beat any of those running right now. Or next year if again..the economy remains within todays area of stagnation.

Cain's moronic electrifying fences just sealed the fate of any latino support for any GOP hopeful although none of the others (except Bachmann) signed off on it. Only the ignorant of race-matters can't see that one at the moment.

The 'are you better off' won't work thsi time around and because people are now starting to realize..this mess is no joke and is something a magic wand won't cure.

Quoting dxing (Reply 45):
He can come out with the feel good stories about how he is sending checks to people, like I said

Why do you think your hero Reagan was popular among your ranks? Feel good stories..nothing more.

Quoting dxing (Reply 45):
as long as the GOP candidate doesn't get vicious or say something terribly stupid,

Either you're joking or you haven't being watching your own debates at ALL!

As much as the Republicans love the military and soldiers..and they BOO'ed a gay soldier who simply posed a question? Aside from people like you..who did that go over big with?

Herm Cain's done so much damage with is unprecedented ignorance in just 72 hours it isn't funny. Monday morning polls will not be pretty.

Perry is already toast.

Stop for second... try not to think like yourself for one minute. Think of the exact opposite of you...now look at those candidates...what do you really see? (I seriously doubt if you're capable of that.. but it was worth a gamble).
..say something stupid? That plane left the runway on Wednesday nite. Sorry, no 'do overs'.

Quoting dxing (Reply 45):
this President will be remembered for one term.

And he's said 'that may be the case'...

but he's turned his focus solely now is on economy jobs now, you really don't see the strategy in play right now do you? With a full 12 months to go, he is going to 'in your face' talking about nothing but jobs, economy, jobs, economy..' and even if nothing - absolutely nothing comes of it. The American people - that larger segment that doesn't hate on him for writing with his left hand (you know the crowd you're in, where if he cured cancer..that still wouldn't be enough' - the larger segment is going see the GOP opposition has done absolutely nothing since the 2010 election except filibuster and impede economic growth, they've come up with no ideas (de-regulate and tax cuts are not ideas..and they've proven to reek more havoc than anything else). 12 months... the blame is going land squarely right where it should, in the lap of your scary bunch of inept candidates and their congressional cohorts.

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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:44 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 47):

Why do you think your hero Reagan was popular among your ranks? Feel good stories..nothing more.

Ah, but haven't you just hit on something there? "Feel good" as you say, is Huge to any presidential hopeful. The President has less authority then people commonly realize, and is often bound by all manner of nightmarish politics when it comes to actually doing anything one way or the other.

Reagan & Bush II to a smaller extent, both got elected and then re-elected because it wasn't hard for people to like them (in fact I often theorize that Bush II would have been every bit as enduringly popular as Reagan, had he not been subject to the more or less instant dissection of every last item in his presidency, as afforded by the internet; more so yet for Obama). Say what ever you want about those two, but they were both very likable in their day, as Obama is now.

The difference is just that Obama has more of an absent minded professor vibe than Bush II's frat boy image. Certainly no less likable though. Comparing that to the current GOP crop, I think Mr O has it for the next election. Provided the GOP continues to fail at finding somebody we "want" to like... I think this end up very much like the 1996 election cycle in that way...
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RE: Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans

Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 25):
The point - since it flew over your head is - you have two presidents, doing the same things in the same economic conditions and one is being assailed upon and the other revered for it.

If that's your answer I can only wonder how you felt when the Cheney's gave $6,869,655 to several charities in 2006? So, do you revere Cheney for giving almost $7 million to charities?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Relax.
Even though I've been critical of President Obama recently, I still commend him for his generosity.

And all I pointed out is that if the OP's point is that Obama's doing something unique by being president and sending money to people who wrote him a personal letter, he's not.
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