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Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:34 am

From an article in yesterday's St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Amina Farah Ali, convicted of raising funds for terrorist group al-Shabaab, is on a hunger strike because the Sherburne County jail won't permit her to wear her Muslim head scarf. Apparently her "religious customs are not being accommodated."

Here's the thing: U.S. District Judge Michael Davis held her in contempt of court "for refusing to stand each time court convened and recessed. She said a passage in haddith, the collected sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, included a story of how the prophet told a group they needn't stand when they greet him. Ali told Davis that if she wouldn't have to rise for Muhammad, she didn't have to stand when court was convened."

After two nights in jail, she complained that jailers hadn't allowed her to observe her religious customs.

Yes ma'am, we can tell how important it is to you that customs be observed...  
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:34 am

Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
After two nights in jail, she complained that jailers hadn't allowed her to observe her religious customs.

Yes ma'am, we can tell how important it is to you that customs be observed...

I see the irony there, she does kind of defeat her own argument.


In a wider sense though, I do see a valid point here. Judges are public servants, nothing more nothing less. Added to this they are lucky in that they are far less accountable than the majority of public servants.

I work in the public sector, I do not expect people to stand up ceremoniously for me. so aside from this specific case i say to these Judges in general, get off your ego trips.
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:35 pm

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 1):
I say to these Judges in general, get off your ego trips.

Well I don't know if the custom is about rising for the judge; I think the custom of rising is to respect that the judicial process is commencing.
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:09 am

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 1):
Judges are public servants, nothing more nothing less. Added to this they are lucky in that they are far less accountable than the majority of public servants.

It isn't about respect for the judge, it's about respect for the system.
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:12 am

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This thread made think of this song, from the The Ramones....I'm not advocating violence though. I'm just saying...
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
It isn't about respect for the judge, it's about respect for the system.

Exactly.

This is not an "ego trip." This is requiring EVERYONE, including the lawyers and their clients, to realize that in this room, the courtroom, all of them are subordinate to the court, represented by the Judge.
 
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:37 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

This is not an "ego trip." This is requiring EVERYONE, including the lawyers and their clients, to realize that in this room, the courtroom, all of them are subordinate to the court, represented by the Judge.

All true.

In many courts in which I have appeared, the judge will rise when the empaneled jury enters or leaves the room, showing concomitant respect for the jury's vital role.
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RE: Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge

Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:26 pm

At least it wasn't one of those Freemen/Sovereign citizens, whose nutjob theories claims that entering the "Dock" puts them under maritime law(!). All because of the "Berth" certificate (yes, that's how they claim it's supposed to be spelled) you're handed when born, which makes them a ship(!) - and thus not a subject of man's law.

Edit: Of course, not that religious nutjobbery is much better..  Yeah sure

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