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Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:28 pm

I have just been "made aware" that I'm going to be buying my fiance' a new Kindle "Fire" for Christmas; I spent some time last night reading about them on Amazon. As I understand it, the previous Kindle models were all "3G" dependent, while the forthcoming "Fire" depends on wi-fy.

What I'm wondering is............we live in a rural area; DSL and cable internet connection is unavailable where we live, so we are obliged to pay $ 70 / mo. for "Wildblue", which is somehow connected to Dish Network, and uses their satellite.
So.........for us, so-called "high-speed" internet is about as "high speed" as a 1939 Plynouth.

According to what I read on Amazon, this thing is supposed to be "blazingly fast", as far as connectivity is concerned. The technical stuff was all part hype, and the other part "over my head" so I'm really not too sure what to expect. One way or another, I'm gonna be buying the thing, so any advance info will be a plus.

As I understand it, the thing has 8 GB of internal memory, ( mostly for storage of apps, etc ), while everything else is "handled" by the "great Amazon cloud", ( read: a great big bunch of servers, which store Amazon "content" free.) ( I'm sure that means everything "else" costs $$$$ ! )

I was already "speculating" about the possibility of buying an iPad for a specific purpose I have in mind; the iPad is twice as big, and as we all know, costs 2 1/2 times as much. I'll know more about that idea after I see how my photographs look on the "Fire".

The thing is due to hit the market about the middle of Nov.

Charley
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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:52 pm

Geezer, what do you do now for Internet? How fast is it? Looks like Wildblue is 1.5 mbps downlink and 256kbps uplink so that is quite slow.

Fortunately, if you are going to be using it asynchronously - downloading books and reading later, that is not a problem.

If it doesn't work out, you could always move to South Korea:


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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:03 pm

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
According to what I read on Amazon, this thing is supposed to be "blazingly fast", as far as connectivity is concerned.

It will really depend on how your internet connectivity at home is. Assuming you have a satellite system, you will have some kind of router in your house. If this has WiFi, you have wireless signal in your house, and the Kindle Fire can use this to connect to the internet, browse, download stuff (incuding books) etc. If it doesn't, and your current computer(s) are connected with a cable, you'll have to either:
a) buy a wireless router, from around $30
b) download content to your computer, and manually copy it accross to the Kindle when it is plugged in. It appears to have a standard micro USB2 port so it can be plugged into a computer and it will appear as a new disk drive.

Your fiancée can obviously take it out and use the free Wifi in places such as Borders, Starbucks etc. (assuming they have free wifi - here in the UK all McDonalds also have free wifi).

Hope this helps.

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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:16 pm

Comorin.......our satellite based connecting is not very "fast", but it's a hell of a lot faster than dial-up, which it replaced.

We just bought the better-half a new Dell laptop, and she loves it; but then again, all she uses the thing for is email and dumb games, so it doesn't take that much to satisfy her requirments.

I think much of my problem is my Mac; it only has a half gig of RAM, and my HD is so damned "cluttered up" and fragmented that I can't get anything done. ( But I still love the machine ) I do a lot of photography and digital design stuff, and the quality of the images on the PC, as compared to the Mac are unbelievable. The Dell display is sharp enough, but colors are about as bright as an old barn that's been out in the sun for about 30 years, while the display on the iMac is as bright and crisp as it was when I bought the thing. I really need to buy a good external HD and stick about 90% of what's on the internal HD on it, then completely de-frag the thing;

Help........Klaus.........Klaus are you there ? I need your advice Klaus !

I don't think I'll have to move to South Korea though; I may just rent me a cheap one room "whatever" in Brazil, ( which is only 8 miles away ), and have a cable connection installed, ( or even DSL ), then I can just go to town every evening to play on the computer !

Everything is such a compromise ! The folks in Rockville ( 8 miles up the road ) get nice fast DSL connectivity for 20 bucks a month, while we are forced to pay $ 70 for satellite connection, which is 1/10 as fast; on the other hand, their electric bill is $150 to $200 a month, while we only pay our rural electric co-op about $75 to $90 a month. ( Plus I wouldn't live in town even if it was free !

( I hope Klaus can figure out how to alleviate my problems ! )

Charley

( Note: No email "content" here )
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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:04 am

Charley, you definitely need more than half a Gig on your Mac. As for your HD, what size is it and what % have you used up? A good rule of thumb is to upgrade once you hit 50% . I think Defrag is from the old days, just get a bigger drive and that should take care of it.

I like the idea of renting space in the neighboring town as long as your better half agrees  

Good luck with everything and let us patiently await The Coming of Klaus.
 
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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:51 am

Ahem. Hi. 

The kindle is quite a bit more specialized to book reading and some web browsing on the side (which is why Amazon subsidizes its price) than the more multi-purpose iPad. Which is not a bad thing if that is what you use it for.

As to the Mac, this sounds as if it's an older model if it's really just got half a Gigabyte of RAM. Do you know which model it is? Maybe you can identify it here:
Low End Mac's Computer Index

What does it say under "About this Computer" in the Apple menu?

If you still feel it's up to your needs, you can indeed connect an external disk and free up the internal one again. Which kind of disk you can use will depend on which Mac you've got (its generation, primarily).

You should also in any case make regular backups of your valuable data (which most probably includes your pictures). You might want to use a second external disk for that, for instance. Burned CDs or DVDs can be a bit dicey in terms of reliability – I would only use them as additional backup, not as the only one.

It could also be a good idea to plug in as much RAM as the machine will allow – that also often speeds things up.
 
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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:05 am

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
According to what I read on Amazon, this thing is supposed to be "blazingly fast", as far as connectivity is concerned. The technical stuff was all part hype, and the other part "over my head" so I'm really not too sure what to expect.

Web browsing using Amazon's Silk browser is supposed to be faster due to the fact that the Amazon Web Services could is acting as a cache so that web content is coming from the cache servers instead of all over the internet.

The Kindle Fire is a full on Android tablet running Honeycomb, not a book reader with some web browsing on the side. The reason Amazon is subsidizing the price is because it is being skinned with an Amazon specific launcher to direct users to use Amazon services. It can play videos and music. Since it is running Android, it will have the Android market in addition to the Amazon Appstore.

One it is released in November, developers will immediately find a way to root the Kindle Fire and install customs ROMs of stock Honeycomb and ICS (when ICS is released).
 
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RE: Questions About New Kindle "Fire"

Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:12 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 6):
Web browsing using Amazon's Silk browser is supposed to be faster due to the fact that the Amazon Web Services could is acting as a cache so that web content is coming from the cache servers instead of all over the internet.

It will need to be tested whether that actually makes much of a difference when the user's internet connection is slow with long latencies. But as far as I've read the browser can be switched back to working conventionally, so it should not be a problem in any case.

Quoting ha763 (Reply 6):
The Kindle Fire is a full on Android tablet running Honeycomb, not a book reader with ome web browsing on the side.

Well, it is basically a simplified, lower-performing version of the RIM Playbook to cut down on cost and battery consumption, adapting it to Amazon's priorities. How much flexibility that will effectively afford will remain to be seen and depends largely on Amazon's plans and on their execution.

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