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Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:21 pm

I know it's a few months off and a lot can change, but I doubt there will be any new comers. To the liberals and foreign posters, please comment as well! Pretend that Obama WILL lose. Who would you want to lead the country (even if it hurts to say it?) But please note if you'd rather have Obama will as well, I'm just trying to see popularity even from the other side who want Obama to win. I'm sticking with Ron Paul even though he has a snowball's chance...

Here is a timeline of the candidates' popularity:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._presidential_nomination-1452.html
I'm not sure if the site is biased or not, but they take poll results from all over so it can't be too bad...

Seems like Romney has been consistently strong even if he wasn't always the most popular. Perry's moment seems to have come and went, but I don't think he's out just yet. Cain still currently leads, but it will be interesting to see how he fares against these sexual harassment allegations. Maybe it's Newt's turn to step up and take the polls. Poor Paul seems to be stuck with his loyal 7-10%. Bachmann, uh no comment   Santorum and Huntsman... maybe you two should start working on 2016 or 2020!
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:36 pm

Right now, I would favor Perry   Seriously, I have no idea. I think they are all beatable though. Perry has regional problems, attention problems. Cain, Gingrich, women. Gingrich, past. Paul, too far out. Santorum, wacky. Bachman, tongue. Romney, trying too hard, anti union.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:39 pm

Oh another stipulation before everyone posts: don't say the weakest candidate so they will lose! That's cheating! lol
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:45 pm

I think it will be Romney - he seems to have held his poll numbers pretty steadily as all the flavors of the month have come and gone. I also think he has the best shot at beating Obama as he doesn't appeal to the far right contingent and will pull in more votes from independents and dis-satisfied Democrats (and there are a lot of them these days). He isn't the greatest candidate ever to come down the pike but I think he has the broadest appeal of the current group. He so far doesn't seem to have any skeletons in his closet like Newt or Cain. While those may not matter to a lot of voters, they do matter to enough of them to possibly make the difference in a close election which I expect 2012 to be. I also think he will be able to hold his own on debates with Obama who, like him or not, is a pretty darned good orator.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:54 pm

Huntsman would be my choice out of the group on stage last night. I have to admit that Willard Romney is probably going to be the nominee when all the drift wood washes away. Both represent the best chances the GOP has for beating Obama.

The concern I have is that the Tea Party will use a lot of leverage (and money) to at least get the GOP slot. That is where the leading flakes will be targeting as soon as they understand they will not be President. The GOP should have learned in 2008 that you do not put some OTL "person" on the ticket.

The one thing I would bring up, however, is that the current list might not include the politician who eventually wins the nomination.   
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:11 pm

SARAH PALIN!   

Huh, she's not in the list?


Well I would LOVE to see her running for president. But Russia, GB, China and the rest of the free world should dedicate a part of their nuclear first-strike capability to prevent her from being a president.   
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:18 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
The one thing I would bring up, however, is that the current list might not include the politician who eventually wins the nomination.

Nader?   

But for real, who?
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:28 pm

Gingrich is by far the sharpest pencil in this particular drawer, and would be Obama's worst nightmare in the debates. The big questions are 1) how well can he motivate the voters, and 2) can he convince some of the more socially conservative base to overlook his past personal indiscretions - an issue which I feel holds too much weight for them.

I like Cain, but the Media is going to milk these allegations like crazy, and I don't know how well he's going to be able to get that behind him. For Bill Clinton the reaction was “Can’t prove it, therefore she is lying….MOVE ON!”. For Cain the reaction is, “He can’t prove she is lying therefore….HE’S A PERV!”
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:33 pm

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 7):
I like Cain, but the Media is going to milk these allegations like crazy, and I don't know how well he's going to be able to get that behind him. For Bill Clinton the reaction was “Can’t prove it, therefore she is lying….MOVE ON!”. For Cain the reaction is, “He can’t prove she is lying therefore….HE’S A PERV!”

What may be the worst for Republicans is this scenario: the right sees past the allegations/doesn't care and he wins the primary, but when it's Cain vs Obama, the left/middle do care and Obama is able to win. Something the GOP and Cain should be aware of
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
What may be the worst for Republicans is this scenario: the right sees past the allegations/doesn't care and he wins the primary, but when it's Cain vs Obama, the left/middle do care and Obama is able to win. Something the GOP and Cain should be aware of

Oh, we've known about the double standard for years. Compare and contrast these two statements from NOW:

http://www.now.org/press/04-98/04-02-98.html

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April 2, 1998

Jones alleges that Clinton ran his hand up her thigh, exposed himself to her, asked for oral sex and pointedly reminded her of his friendship with her immediate boss. No woman should have to put up with such behavior at work. But according to the judge, even if then-Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and pawed then-state employee Paula Jones -- certainly misconduct for any employer or supervisor, Jones does not have a valid harassment claim because she could not prove that the overall result was a hostile work environment.

This ruling does not mean it's open season on women in the workforce.

Women who face unwelcome sexual behavior at work can still win in court if the harassment is so pervasive or so severe that it interferes with their jobs. When it does, lewd bosses and crude co-workers can and will be held accountable.

Compare that to this week:

http://www.now.org/news/blogs/index....ssment-allegations-and-herman-cain

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Revelations that presidential candidate Herman Cain was accused of sexual harassment while heading the National Restaurant Association, as well as suggestions that financial settlements bought silence, are deeply troubling.

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits sexual harassment in the workplace. Unfortunately that has not stopped the widespread practice of unwelcome sexual advances, innuendos and jokes in the workplace being leveraged by men against women.

Last night, Mr. Cain's campaign responded to news reports of the allegations with a statement that the press were "Spreading rumors that never stood up to the facts." And yet this morning, Mr. Cain acknowledged that he was accused of sexual harassment while he was at the National Restaurant Association.

Setting the Cain campaign's utter disregard for the facts aside, it's outrageous for anyone to suggest that sexual harassment allegations represent political smears to be dismissed rather than the bravery and dignity of women simply trying to go to work.

From Wikipedia: “On November 13, 1998, Clinton settled with Jones for $850,000, the entire amount of her claim, but without an apology, in exchange for her agreement to drop the appeal.”

This case that NOW kissed off as dismissed was settled for every dime she demanded 6 months later.

According to press accounts, Herman Cain’s accuser received $35,000 – 4 cents for every $1 Miss Jones received.

So basically, successfully coercing a woman to "free Willy" is OK because it does not particularly make the workplace a hostile environment (sub-text - if you are a liberal).

The accusations against Cain include a comment that might be considered a little wierd "You're as short as my wife" or something like that, or at the very worst sound like your basic come-on. But that deserves words like "Utter disrespect".

I love the sentence, "it's outrageous for anyone to suggest that sexual harassment allegations represent political smears to be dismissed rather than the bravery and dignity of women simply trying to go to work." So basically, Cain is not even allowed to defend himself - presumably because he is a conservative.

Or maybe liberal / conservative has nothing to do with it, and NOW is simply racist...

Anyway, this is nothing new.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:10 pm

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 9):
I love the sentence, "it's outrageous for anyone to suggest that sexual harassment allegations represent political smears to be dismissed rather than the bravery and dignity of women simply trying to go to work." So basically, Cain is not even allowed to defend himself - presumably because he is a conservative.

Or maybe liberal / conservative has nothing to do with it, and NOW is simply racist...

Anyway, this is nothing new.

you are comparing a document discussing the results of the lawsuit against Cinton with a document about the sexual harrasment charges. Two different things, and they don't equate NOW's stance on it.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 9):
"But according to the judge", even if then-Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and pawed then-state employee Paula Jones -- certainly misconduct for any employer or supervisor, Jones does not have a valid harassment claim because she could not prove that the overall result was a hostile work environment.

Your proposition that it is a double standard is not upheld by the documents you produced.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter):
Here is a timeline of the candidates' popularity:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._presidential_nomination-1452.html
I'm not sure if the site is biased or not, but they take poll results from all over so it can't be too bad...

Neat site. what it shows to me is there is a TRUE Split in the GOP. Cain Bachman and Perry's trajectories all seem to affect each other. Romney has held steady with Newt starting to creep up a bit. I really think that regardless of who wins the GOP nomination, there will be a 3rd Candidate this year from the loosing faction.


I would prefer to see Romney or Huntsman of this group. Truthfully I wish Christie had run.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:00 am

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 5):
Russia, GB, China and the rest of the free world

That you call Russia and China part of the free world - I understand. But Great Britain?   
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:59 am

Ron Paul...but he's too 'real' to be elected these days.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:12 am

Either Ron Paul or Mitt Romney. A Paul/Romney or Romney/Paul ticket would be a great choice for the GOP. Alas, with the TP so closely linked to the GOP, the ticket will not have a chance of even happening.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:16 am

Out of the Republican candidates I like Gary Johnson best. I disagree with some of his policies of course, but I think he is the most trustworthy and the least corruptible. But, so far, I prefer Obama over any of the serious Republican candidates.

If I am a Republican whose main goal is to get Obama out of office, I'm supporting Romney. At this point, though, I'd be surprised if Obama loses next year. The best thing Obama has going for him is the Republican candidates.

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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 7):
For Cain the reaction is, “He can’t prove she is lying therefore….HE’S A PERV!”

You need to change "she" to "THEY".  

And we need to see how many more decide to come out.

Cain's attorney has already talked about suing ago other woman who comes out, which might make fro a very powerful Discovery by the Defendants during an election campaign. And holding onto Cain's potential difficult Deposition under oath. That Deposition would be made public (as would all others) as soon as they were typed up.

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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:16 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 3):
think it will be Romney - he seems to have held his poll numbers pretty steadily as all the flavors of the month have come and gone. I also think he has the best shot at beating Obama as he doesn't appeal to the far right contingent and will pull in more votes from independents and dis-satisfied Democrats (and there are a lot of them these days). He isn't the greatest candidate ever to come down the pike but I think he has the broadest appeal of the current group. He so far doesn't seem to have any skeletons in his closet like Newt or Cain. While those may not matter to a lot of voters, they do matter to enough of them to possibly make the difference in a close election which I expect 2012 to be. I also think he will be able to hold his own on debates with Obama who, like him or not, is a pretty darned good orator.


  

I want a good, competitive campaign, not a bunch of wingnuts. I also suspect that he would be far more reasoned as to who he would choose as VP, and is someone most could 'live' with if he were to win. The rest of the 'Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs' running are each so disturbing, they would come off like Sara Palin. You need the middle-class, taxpaying, independent - centrists to win and especially if the economy and jobs number don't improve significantly by next November, then Obama will be the scapegoat and lose.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:16 am

I'm not a Republican but, it Louisianna Governor Bobby Gindal (not sure of SP) runs he could make a go of it. I never cared for Newt but, I read a forward he wrote in a novel about an EMP killing the power grid and all computer things and believe it or not, Newt made sense saying we need to prepare and be proactive. This Democrat still likes the Pres but, I'm miffed about his wanting to throw Israel under the bus.; proclaiming Israel to revert to pre 1967 boarders. This would be chop suicide for the US's only stable alliy in the Mid East. I hope I don't get flamed for my views but it seems if you are perceived as anti PLO and anti UN its flame out time.   

Back to the candidates, Sarah Palin no thanks she may be a hottie but she'd be a nottie in the arena of Presidential politics and responsability.

Mitt Romney: From Mass and a flip flopper and respects soverignity as much as the Kardashions respect marriage, a cluster you know what in the making.

Bachman is a looker but a cookoo bird and extremist. (I don't want Big Brother/Sister in my home) with Bachman it would be possible rebirth of the puritanical age of intolerance.

Rick Perry has about as much brains and common sense as my Short Bus kitties even blowing the teleprompter.

Ron Paul seems to say the right things for my Libertarian side but has spoken out against Israel

Herman Cain's credibility is less than steller but at least he is ballsy enough to spin things. He might just be able to stand up to the globalists and unstable Middle East faschist countries. The jury is out on that one.

The President, and many other candidates both D and R want to play roughshod with our soverignity and individuality.
Basically as I've said before both parties pander to their extreme bases. Most of us in the USA are in the center and vacillate to the right or left depending on the issue at hand. We the people seem to be in last place and 2nd. class citizens to the Elites who think they can peddle the Kardashions, and other reality TV and get away with pulling the rug from under this great nation.

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Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:45 am

Quoting texan (Reply 14):
Out of the Republican candidates I like Gary Johnson best. I disagree with some of his policies of course, but I think he is the most trustworthy and the least corruptible.

  
Well said!
I'll be switching parties just so that I can vote for him in the primaries. It is a crime that the Republican Party and the press is excluding him.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 3):
I think it will be Romney - he seems to have held his poll numbers pretty steadily as all the flavors of the month have come and gone. I also think he has the best shot at beating Obama as he doesn't appeal to the far right contingent and will pull in more votes from independents and dis-satisfied Democrats (and there are a lot of them these days).

I'm one of those 'dis-satisfied Democrats' and Mitt Romney is the Republican I dislike the most. Romney is too similar to Obama. However, I'll take any candidate over Obama.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:53 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
I'm one of those 'dis-satisfied Democrats' and Mitt Romney is the Republican I dislike the most. Romney is too similar to Obama. However, I'll take any candidate over Obama.

Wow, you definitley made a 180 turn.

I've said it before (in forum earlier) I'll say it again; as long as the two parties and for that matter the so called third parties are the doormats of big business, the UN, big oil/Saudi Arabia and pander to the whacky extremists we all are basically
in the same position those poor boys at Penn State were in.

If it had to be Republicans, I could possibly tolerate Chris the Joisy Hippo and Bobby Jindel (gov of. Louisianna) but after 8 years of W and Lon Dick Chaney could we take another GOP administration?
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:03 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 19):
Wow, you definitley made a 180 turn.

Nah, just a 90 degree turn.  
I'm still very liberal on social issues and most economic issues.
I dislike Obama's love for the Islamic religion and his environmental stance. I also dislike his inability to do anything right. I support a national health-care system but not the 2700+ piece of garbage his passed that doesn't cover everyone and punishes those who don't purchase it.
Other than that, I've very liberal.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:10 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
I'm still very liberal on social issues and most economic issues.
I dislike Obama's love for the Islamic religion and his environmental stance. I also dislike his inability to do anything right. I support a national health-care system but not the 2700+ piece of garbage his passed that doesn't cover everyone and punishes those who don't purchase it.
Other than that, I've very liberal.

  
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:51 pm

From a European point of view - could we have a new deck of cards please?

Honestly, looking at this panopticum, I'd rather have Jay Leno in office

I looked at the website of Ron Paul, was interested in what his views on foreign policy are after I learned that Herman Cain (who I would have preferred at first) does not care who the President of takitakitakistan is. Sorry mate, disqualified.

Now, from Ron Paul I learn that for him, foreign policy is brining the GIs back home. That is rather domestic politics, Ron's got that mixed up. No federal income taxes, nice for US taxpayers, but the expenses are still there. Raising the money by excise taxes and duties, someone should tell Mr Paul about GATT treatis which the US have signed as well, One could also call it protectionism. But what hit the bottom out of the bucket was his opinion that taxation was inventd by Marx and Engels. Holy mackarel.

May be I am too old and old fashioned that I still expect a serious political agenda from a candidate. May be it is so that most American voters would not know what that is, so that would be - sorry folks - a waste of efforts. But as an American voter I would expect more from a candidate than this .

After Sarah Palin has dropped out which is good, as she never has finished anything except her children, how did someone like Michelle Bachman make it in that group. She's as thick as a brick, she doesn't have the brains for the job, same as Perry.

None of them would make it in any European country, not even in Italy, why can 't the country come up with an intellectual anymore? Oh, wait, you got one, he's in office.

So for this European, interested in US politics since decades and always pro Republican, is in favor of a Democrat for the second time. For Obama it will be piece of cake to defeat any of them.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:23 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
None of them would make it in any European country, not even in Italy, why can 't the country come up with an intellectual anymore? Oh, wait, you got one, he's in office.

I note that you have ignored Gingrich. If you want intellectual, he's the guy.

But then you think that Obama is an intellectual, so I question your definition. Sure, he taught school for a little while. But that doesn't make you an intellectual. He's never shown any trace of actually thinking of something original - all his ideas and programs are rehashes of stuff that came decades before (including some from rather dubious origins).

What is the definition of intellectual, anyway? From Wiki:

"Intellectual" can denote four types of persons:

1 A person involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
2 A person whose profession (e.g. philosophy, literary criticism, sociology, law, political analysis, theoretical science, etc.) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.[1]
3 A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.
4 A person of high mental calibre and applied mental agility that can inductively or deductively reason from evidence and patterns, with the creativity to "think outside the box".

I think 1 and 2 are too broad. I know a hell of a lot of people with sociology, law and politi-sci degrees that couldn't get an original thought in their head with a crowbar, and I would hardly call intellectual.

3 is good, though subjective. As is 4. I'd say Gingrich meets those criteria. Obama does not.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:24 pm

Perry, Bachmann and Cain are all comedy gold! For that reason, I would want to see one of them win. However, for practical purposes, I would like to see Huntsman win. He is WAY too far left for the likes of the base, but he is a good candidate. I followed him somewhat when he was governer of Utah and I like him.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 23):

I note that you have ignored Gingrich. If you want intellectual, he's the guy.

I thought that Newt Gingrich is a thing from the past, without looking up the details, wasn't he running against Clinton (who, BTW qualifies as an intellectual) ? To be honest, I would have to read some more details about newt and get back to that.

Obama - well, I was quite impressed by his speech in Berlin before the election, I heard the original and was smiling at the liberal/left audience who did not seem to understand what he said, at least if they had they would not have clapped their hands at certain remarks. As a German / European politician, Obama would run under a liberal conservative label, except that capital punishment of course would be a no-no here. I challenge your opinion, I qualify him as an intellectual, pt. 4 applies definatley. Pt 2 as well, for the sake of the University of Chicago, a constitutional law professor should be qualified and that profession should be reserved to intellectuals. I have seen the various websites that try to disqualify him, but, sorry, from our point of view here it's the same rubbish as labelling Obama a socialist or even communist.

See my remark above to that. But OK, I will check out Newt. Meanwhile, dear Americans, give us a new deck of cards. Please. Or nominate Jay Leno.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:58 pm

My choice is Ron Paul. Not because I like Ron Paul or find him cute or sexy or a nice guy but because I feel he is the only candidate who has the capacity to truly restore US finances and economy. I like his idea of bringing the troops home and not getting involved in anymore costly foreign wars and protecting the US borders instead.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 17):
Ron Paul seems to say the right things for my Libertarian side but has spoken out against Israel

I fail to see how this is bad. He's entitled to his own position as well. Better to criticize Israel than to wish its destruction, don't you think so?
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:40 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
After Sarah Palin has dropped out which is good

She was never in.
The media was hoping she would run but she never did.
You also left out Gary Johnson.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:13 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 3):
I think it will be Romney - he seems to have held his poll numbers pretty steadily as all the flavors of the month have come and gone. I also think he has the best shot at beating Obama as he doesn't appeal to the far right contingent and will pull in more votes from independents and dis-satisfied Democrats (and there are a lot of them these days).

I really don't care whether or not the candidate that emerges from the primaries appeals to the far right. Obama appeals to the 30% that is the far left, the far right is around 30%. I want the candidate that emerges to be electable enough to get the remaining 40% of the vote. If he/she is conservative enough on gun control, moderate enough on abortion and for smaller government he/she will get my vote.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 17):

Herman Cain's credibility is less than steller but at least he is ballsy enough to spin things. He might just be able to stand up to the globalists and unstable Middle East faschist countries. The jury is out on that one.

I'll make the politically incorrect statement of this thread. According to the Pew Research Center blacks made up 15.9% of the 131 million votes cast in the 2008 election. That 15.9% of the electorate went overwhelmingly to Obama. By overwhelmingly I mean approximately 95% of them voted for Obama. Now don't you think that ratio would be considerably different if Cain was the one to emerge from the primaries?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
However, I'll take any candidate over Obama.

Which is why the 40% is so important. Be too far left or right you don't get my or 40% of the electorate's vote. Obama went into 2008 with a very divided country preaching hope and change at a time when people were ready for that. Not much has really occurred that effects my daily life positively since then. If he goes into the debates after a leader on the republican side emerges blaming Bush again people just aren't going to believe it anymore.

That said...it really doesn't matter what Republican emerges, I vote in WA state. You folks already know who's going to win this state.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:56 am

If I'd had to choose a candidate it would probably be Jon Huntsman; to me, a European / German liberal, the term RINO is actually honorable, I guess. Huntsman appears to be rational, centrist, experienced and intelligent. But I understand Huntsman is as good as out, whereas the New York Times says changes for Huntsman to beat Obama would by far be the highest:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...e/538-gdp-election-calculator.html

In the end it is probably going to be Mitt Romney. Not the worst candidate either, at least he understands that Global Warming *is* an issue that needs to be addressed. And speaking of issues: How come you never find topics like "environment" or "sustainability" among the issues they list on their campaign sites?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:03 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 30):
And speaking of issues: How come you never find topics like "environment" or "sustainability" among the issues they list on their campaign sites?

Because the economy is in DIRE need of support. I'll be honest, most Americans really don't care what a politician's stance is on the environment. I partially agree, I think we need to tackle the big thing first and foremost. But I do diverge somewhat--take good, reasonable steps in the meantime, and focus more on the environment when our country isn't on the verge of collapse. I find the US's extreme better than what I see in Europe (or how it appears to me) where environmental policies are set that are damaging to an already weak economy. Like that tax on airlines, for example, but that is also illegal or at least very sneaky/loophole-ish, but that is for a different thread.

Bottom line: our economy SUCKS. That is the focus for 2012.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:28 am

Well, that's what I expected to read, and you are right that this is for a different thread, but let me just add that we have seen economically harder times than there are now in the U.S., and playing "economy" off against "environment" would still have been a no-go. Anyway, thanks for your response.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
It is a crime that the Republican Party and the press is excluding him (Johnson).

Could it be that Johnson never was willing to join a debate with his fellow candidates?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:34 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 32):
Could it be that Johnson never was willing to join a debate with his fellow candidates?

He has been deliberately excluded from most of the debates. Yet more attention has been given to joke candidates such as Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum. Heck the media even gave lots of attention to Sarah Palin who was never a candidate.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:46 pm

Do you think Romney can win his home state of Massachusetts against Obama?
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:05 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 34):
Do you think Romney can win his home state of Massachusetts against Obama?

Not at all.
Remember, he won in 2002 in a fluke election over a weak Democrat by a tiny margin. Romney would have lost to Duval Patrick in 2006 if he had chose to run for re-election.
Romney can win New Hampshire but the rest of New England would go to Obama.
Romney could win Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana as well as Colorado and Nevada.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:31 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Romney could win Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana as well as Colorado and Nevada.

And don't forget Mormonpalooza land the state of Utah! Also the Mittster could take Michigan (Romney family and Rambler/American Motors fame).
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:57 am

Sarah Palin!! Haha ok jk
 

RON PAUL or bust! He will sort things out fiscally! He has huge support from military families...but the establishment is threatened by him for obvious reasons...

For VP? Gary Johnson, Huntsman, or even Romney..
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:35 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 36):
And don't forget Mormonpalooza land the state of Utah!

That's a foregone conclusion.
Utah ALWAYS goes Republican. I was mentioning states that Obama was lucky enough to win in 2008. He wont be so lucky next year.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:47 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
That's a foregone conclusion.
Utah ALWAYS goes Republican.

Hey baby wouldn't you if you could have a harem of hot chicks as wives 1 through 27? LOL Things that would be miracles:

1. The Cubs winning the World Series
2. OUr beleagured Orioles going 500 or above.
3. Jerry Sandusky (boy lovin coach) actually going for chicks 18 and older.
4. Utah going Democratic in a Presidential Election!
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:42 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 39):
wouldn't you if you could have a harem of hot chicks as wives 1 through 27?

I don't want any of them as wives. I rather just have them as playmates.  
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 39):
4. Utah going Democratic in a Presidential Election!

Lyndon Baines Johnson was the last Democrat to win Utah.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:48 pm

A Cain/Gingrich ticket. Love Ron Paul but he is to old for me and is a hard sell.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:16 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
The concern I have is that the Tea Party will use a lot of leverage (and money) to at least get the GOP slot. That is where the leading flakes will be targeting as soon as they understand they will not be President. The GOP should have learned in 2008 that you do not put some OTL "person" on the ticket.

my thinking exactly. I can see Romney being the nominee but I can also see the party pulling a McCain and putting Bachmann/Cain/Perry/Gingrich on the ticket to satisfy the tea party. If that happens, I don't believe anyone in america wants one of those pro-wealth, anti-tax, pro-religion nutcases to be one heart attack away from the presidency, so, I think the white house door would be very firmly slammed in Romney's face.

Realistically, if I were a card carrying republican, I'd want a Huntsman/Romney ticket as what would have the best chance of defeating Obama. I'd also want to see every single one of those obstructionist tea party freshmen given a very firm kick out the door to send a message to people like the Koch Brothers that government is for ALL the people, not just for the benefit of the top one percent.

People talk about the American people being fed up with obstructionist, gridlocked government, well, the 2012 elections will give all of these fed up people the perfect opportunity to kick the obstructionists to the curb and bring in a boat load of moderates who are willing to reach across the aisle to get things done and who are not beholden to the activist rich and their money.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:24 am

I was reading in WELT on-line (German daily newspaper) this morning about another blunder by a Presidential candidate, this time Caine. Interviewed in Milwaukee, live on TV, he was asked about Obama's Libyan politics. Caine didn't have a clue what was going on in Libya.

How can someone seriously run for the world's most important job without having a clue on what is going on in the rest of the world, or shall we say, that planet outside the USA?

Clinton was on top of things, Bush, who never, except Mexico, travelled outside the USA, at least had his father to ask. Now here we have a bunch of candidates who consider bringing the Army back home "foreign policy". Obama toured the world before he became elected, well, Caine would not win the primaries, i guess, but whoever does, on the republicna side, tour the world? McCain at least had this experience.

Honestly, that panopticum which is presented to the world by the Republican party is more than scary. If any of them gets elected one can only hope that the inner circle staff they hire beat their boss intellectually by lenghts.
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:57 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 42):
I'd also want to see every single one of those obstructionist tea party freshmen given a very firm kick out the door to send a message to people like the Koch Brothers that government is for ALL the people

Wow, following the Constitution makes you an obstructionist? Wanting a balanced budget make you an obstructionist. The Government is for all people within the confines of the Constitution. Not the lefts version of certain peoples money is for ALL the people.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:10 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 41):
A Cain/Gingrich ticket. Love Ron Paul but he is to old for me and is a hard sell.

I'd love to see this but it would never happen....

Gingrich would whip Obama in a debate but he's got some personal crap that will haunt him to not get the nomination. But perhaps people have forgot about that stuff by now?

It will probably be Romney/Gingrich or a possible reach, Romney/Christie. Romney's promoting the NJ governor's endsorsement all over his website!
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:46 pm

Looking at the flock today I think Perry and Huntsman are the team that could beat Obama.

I call the rest a flock because they are pretty flighty for me and, as an opinion in the WaPa said today, Obama would wipe the floor with any of the flock.

The (hopefully) last of the flock to take the Lead? Newt. This guy is excellent at building a large collection of sound bites, and is generally an intelligent guy. He has a few skeletons, including coming up with the $1,000 per child socialist hand out that only won ONE election. Look for a bit more socialism in conservative clothing to try to help him win. He also has not won any election but in the district he represented. Not one state wide election. And he has some dirty linen - and the Tiffany's issue, which puts him out of touch with the middle class.

Perry & Huntsman, in either order, if the GOP wants to win the election.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:57 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter):
To the liberals and foreign posters, please comment as well!

Well, while I'm not liberal, I am "foreign" so let's see... for sure Huntsman.

It's the only one who I can see making his own decisions, the rest just seem to speak in talking points and appear like they are controlled by their trusted advisors.

Ultimately it doesn't matter to me who is the US president, but Huntsman would be the most interesting one to watch from the outside.

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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 41):
A Cain/Gingrich ticket

Okay Cain's performance the last week in the debates and interview on foreign policy has made me change. I really like Herman and have listned to him for years but he is having trouble with the tough questions. Perry/Gingrich might be a better fit. Also Huntmans last debate and interview that I saw made him sem a bit to the right of Romney. Is anyone else seeing that? I thought at first that he was the most liberal of all the candidates.
 
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RE: Who Do You Want To Win The Rep Primary?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:31 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 41):
Love Ron Paul but he is to old for me and is a hard sell.

The trouble is that comparing with all other candidates they don't give Ron Paul much air time during these debates to say what he has to say - if any at all.

He was given only 90 seconds during the foreign policy debate.
There is bias somewhere along the line.
How is that fair?

 
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