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2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:16 am

The Buick Encore is a small Chevy Sonic based people mover/MPV that is to be unveiled at the North American Auto Show in Detroit next month. Many press reports stated that this smallest ever Buick will be a global vehicle, sold as a Buick both here in North America and in Asia. It is meant as a luxury 5 passenger "tall" vehicle to compete with the Ford C-Max and Mazda CX-5, and to complement the much larger Enclave (but quite popular) CUV in the Buick line-up. The Encore (does Buick realize that some older Americans might remember that AMC once had a horrid subcompact car called the "Encore", which was basically a hatchback version of the Renault Alliance!) is based on a stretched "Gamma 2" platform, which underpins the just announced Chevy Sonic. There is also a persistent auto press rumor that GMC will market its own version of the Encore, based on the GMC "Granite" concept vehicle that has been shown at auto shows over the past 2 years.

Buick is very much the "Opel" division in North America and China, with its popular LaCrosse and Regal sedan models heavily based on the Opel Insignia (called Epsilon 2 platforms within GM) platform. The newest Buick, the Verano, is based on the the Opel Astra's platform (called the Delta 2 platform), which is shared with the very popular Chevrolet Cruze sedan and the not-so popular Chevy Volt. Buick has found marked success in gaining younger buyers with its Opel-infused model line-up; 40 percent of new Regal buyers are "conquest" sales, meaning their buyers are coming from non-GM vehicles - the buyers of the sporty Regal GS Turbo model are 60 percent "conquest" sales...

Now if Buick would only bring the "Park Avenue" model (based on the Holden Caprice) currently sold in China to America to replace the now-dead Lucurne full-sized sedan to give traditional buyers a choice - besides the ancient Impala and the pricey new Cadillac XTS.

Source: www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/buic...g-new-crossover-next-month-107400/
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RE: 2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:54 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The Encore (does Buick realize that some older Americans might remember that AMC once had a horrid subcompact car called the "Encore", which was basically a hatchback version of the Renault Alliance!)

Apparently when Chevy named its FWD X-body the Citation back in 1979 (prior to its debut), they didn't realize that some older Americans might associate the Citation badge with the Edsel of 20 years earlier.

Can we say Deja Vu? (spelling?)

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Now if Buick would only bring the "Park Avenue" model (based on the Holden Caprice) currently sold in China to America to replace the now-dead Lucurne full-sized sedan to give traditional buyers a choice

  
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RE: 2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:54 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 1):
Apparently when Chevy named its FWD X-body the Citation back in 1979 (prior to its debut), they didn't realize that some older Americans might associate the Citation badge with the Edsel of 20 years earlier.

Can we say Deja Vu? (spelling?)

I don't think people's car memories are all that great.... and few would remember the generally mediocre Renaults from the 80s. Though it is important to be careful in choosing which heritage names to bring back. Thankfully GM hasn't done a lot to tarnish some of their best ones (oh besides killing off entire divisions).

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 1):
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Now if Buick would only bring the "Park Avenue" model (based on the Holden Caprice) currently sold in China to America to replace the now-dead Lucurne full-sized sedan to give traditional buyers a choice


I think it is pretty much a given that the next large global platform will spawn a Park Avenue.




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RE: 2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 2):

I think it is pretty much a given that the next large global platform will spawn a Park Avenue.

My bet is that Buick would use the upcoming Caddy replacement of the DeVille/DTS for the Park Avenue.

But then GM has a weird obsession about following Lexus in naming card with letters that most people don't remember.

Caddy used to have the Fleetwood and the DeVille. Now we have alphabet ship. WTF?

As for Holden delivering a PS, they have doe some good work over the years, but they have also done total crap. Our 4 cylinder Commodore was a POS because Holden took an exceptionally good Toyota engine and screwed it up - totally.

Unless Holden can deliver the old Red Engine reliability I'd stick with Holden to Buick direct design transfer.
 
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RE: 2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):
My bet is that Buick would use the upcoming Caddy replacement of the DeVille/DTS for the Park Avenue.

But then GM has a weird obsession about following Lexus in naming card with letters that most people don't remember.

Caddy used to have the Fleetwood and the DeVille. Now we have alphabet ship. WTF?

Aside from Cadillac GM has really avoided the alphabet soup, and even the three-letter Cadillac names began in the late 80/early 90s as trim levels. Plus the heritage Cadillac names (especially Sedan deVille and Fleetwood) seem old and stodgy and have the stigma of being on some pretty doggy models.

So I'd suspect Park Avenue, or if they dig up an older name, Invicta or Electra would be applied to a large Buick.
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RE: 2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:32 am

Buick senior management has announced that they expect the new Encore people-mover to get 41 MPG as a EPA estimate (utilizing a 1.4 liter 4 cylinder motor - possibly turbocharged!).

A 41 MPG Buick is something that I thought I'd never see! But with the upcoming higher CAFE standards, I guess I really shouldn't be surprised....
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RE: 2013 Buick Encore To Launch At Detroit Auto Show

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:36 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
Buick senior management has announced that they expect the new Encore people-mover to get 41 MPG as a EPA estimate (utilizing a 1.4 liter 4 cylinder motor - possibly turbocharged!).

A 41 MPG Buick is something that I thought I'd never see! But with the upcoming higher CAFE standards, I guess I really shouldn't be surprised....

Makes the 31 MPG highway rating for its new Verano sedan (which should have been named the Skylark IMHO) seem rather paltry.
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