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Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:44 pm

I am due for a phone upgrade at the end of the month and it is time to move beyond my trusty Nokia E52.

I have tried a BlackBerry and I hated it, so I might as well make the leap to hyper space.

The last Apple device I used was a Lisa so I am completely inexperienced with what they can do today but the 4S video on apple.com is quite impressive.

Samsung is a washing machine company to me so what its phones are like is a mystery.

I have read comparisons online that lean one way or the other but neither seems th be the better device.

So, based on personal experience I would like some guidance... Samsung or Apple?
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
I am due for a phone upgrade at the end of the month and it is time to move beyond my trusty Nokia E52.

One question: Why not the Nokia Lumia series and the Windows Phone platform? It is supposed to be excellent. The 800 should be available in South Africa?

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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:00 pm

Andz,

What you are really comparing between the phones isn't the phones themselves, but the operating system: Android vs. iOS. Both phones are made well enough, and I've heard good things about the GalaxyS II. In the US, Samsung is a very well-respected electronics company, so don't worry about buying a Samsung phone. Fundamentally, it depends on what you want out of the operating system. iOS is designed to be very simple to use, but compared to Android its functionality is more limited.

For example, if you're going to be using it for lots of internet browsing, Android is a no-brainer because it supports Flash, which, for better or worse, is still highly utilized. Furthermore, Safari sucks, and Apple for now is at a disadvantage because it doesn't support it.

Android is also the better choice if you want or need more accessibility into the operating system itself. Android is open-source, which means with enough knowledge, you can tweak just about anything the phone does.

You also get unbelievable synchronicity in the Google world. If you use Google Mail, Calendar, or any of the other Google services, the functionality couldn't be simpler.

iOS is not without its positives, though. Its user-interface is simply the best on the market, and the ease-of-use puts it over the top for many people. Personally, I've never had any problem with navigating through an Android phone, but iOS does have a bit more...intuitiveness to it.

Another plus for the iPhone is the App Store. Android's offering is perfectly satisfactory, and almost all apps worth having are developed for both, however the Apple App Store is second to none in terms of apps available.

If you're going to be using your device as an mp3 player, the iOS software is lightyears ahead of the Android offering. Even the best Android music player (Power AMP, which has considerably more functionality than the iOS player) is "glitchier" and more prone to music skipping than the iPod software built into iOS. With that said, one of the cool things about Android is I can download a player that makes the interface look almost identical to the iPhone interface. It still doesn't work as well as the real thing, though.

As I said above, it really depends on what you want out of the device. I've found that Android plays better with Windows machines, and iPhones play better with Macs (this may be an obvious statement, but still worth considering). Either with work with either, but if you already have a Mac, the iPhone may be the way to go, and vice versa for Windows and Android.

My bottom line would be I think Android is a more-powerful, more-useful operating system, so I'd go with the GalaxyS II. This is entirely based on what I like out of a phone. I had an iPhone for 4 years, and while I liked it at first, its novelty wore off, and I became acutely aware of the limitations of iOS. It took them 3 hardware updates to allow landscape mode texting, for example. I couldn't count how many times I thought "I wish my iPhone did that." With Android, because of the open-source nature of the OS, chances are if I've thought of it, someone else has already done it. And because I'm not limited to apps from the Android Market (though this is carrier specific; each carrier can impose its own limitations on whether to allow 3rd party apps), said ideas/desires are pretty easy to find. As a result, I'm almost never finding myself wishing my phone could do something it can't. And the truth is, if I wanted to really tinker around with it, I'm almost certain I could.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:04 pm

My view (your mileage may vary):

Samsung Galaxy:
+ tinkering with more details of the device configuration is semi-supported out of the box
+ higher number of "free" apps (including ad-supported ones)
+ can be cheaper to buy outright (subsidies may skew the picture differently, though)
+/– Google/Samsung generally prioritize raw number of features and special features over overall usability, quality and consistency
+/– OLED displays prioritize maximum colour gamut over colour accuracy and battery endurance
+/– bigger displays available, but not really usable single-handedly any more
+/– removable battery (less compact, less reliable, reboot required when swapping in another battery, but self-service easy when replacing after some years)
– delayed and limited update/upgrade support (sometimes shorter than usual contract duration)
– problematic security including various malware in the official app market
– quality of available software: low to medium; few high-quality exceptions; fragmented platform and frequent inconsistencies
– quality of available hardware: medium (plastic casings, mediocre OS integration)
– limited accessory ecosystem

Apple iPhone 4S:
+ all apps are vetted and validated; practically no malware threat
+ high security (including hardware device encryption)
+ quality of available software: medium to very high (first-release platform for nearly all mobile software; high quality standards for platform consistency and usability; quality is often to be paid for, but still cheap and ad-free; very many free apps still available as well)
+ quality of available hardware: high (glass+steel casings, highly polished OS integration)
+ very long and direct update/upgrade support (currently for 3+ years; immediate availability for all users; iOS 6 and 7 will certainly be available for the 4S, possibly beyond)
+ very large accessory ecosystem (some of it pricey)
+ FaceTime, iMessage and Siri can be really useful, as is iCloud (all included in purchase price)
+ good battery endurance for a smartphone
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone, including (but not limited to) a very good hands-free mode approaching the quality of high-quality single-purpose handsets (this is rare among smartphones!)
+/– unchanged 3.5" display prioritizes full and easy single-handed usability over maximum possible area (resolution is high enough so pixelation is irrelevant)
+/– Apple generally prioritizes overall usability, quality and consistency over raw number of features and special features
+/– LCD IPS display prioritizes colour accuracy and battery endurance over maximum colour gamut
+/– iTunes is recommended as the official interface to the iPhone from your computer, but is no longer required since iOS 5
+/– fixed battery (more compact, more reliable, no rebooting when connecting an add-on battery pack; replacement (usually) requires servicing)
– can be more expensive to buy outright (subsidies may skew the picture differently, though)
– strict supervision of the platform by Apple also limits availability of specific solutions in some cases
– tinkering with device configuration beyond the official settings is not supported (inofficial ways exist, but will compromise security features)

Both devices are fundamentally viable options and neither is definitively "better" in each and every possible respect; I have my own priorities which have led me to the iPhone and others have chosen Androids, but your own priorities will be decisive in which one will be best for you.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
For example, if you're going to be using it for lots of internet browsing, Android is a no-brainer because it supports Flash, which, for better or worse, is still highly utilized. Furthermore, Safari sucks, and Apple for now is at a disadvantage because it doesn't support it.

With Flash progressively being supplanted by HTML5 this is mostly a marginal and time-limited issue. I very rarely come across Flash content on my iPhone or iPad where i'd actually need Flash (most is just blinking and jiggling ads which I'm glad to miss). One thing to remember is that when you've got Flash installed, many web sites will switch away from the HTML5 they've already got and will insist on pushing Flash to you, while I'll see the HTML5 served to iOS.

Flash for Android has been officially end-of-lifed by Adobe as well, so it's a diminishing and time-limited advantage (if any), not least looking at the real-world performance and (often lack of) functionality under Android.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
As I said above, it really depends on what you want out of the device. I've found that Android plays better with Windows machines, and iPhones play better with Macs (this may be an obvious statement, but still worth considering).

Since iOS 5 you can use the iDevices completely without a computer as well if you want. It is your own choice whether you want to use iTunes to interface with them.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
As a result, I'm almost never finding myself wishing my phone could do something it can't.

I don't doubt that, but I can say the same about my iPhone. It depends on what your priorities are.

I have no problem with the rest of your statements from a different perspective.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):

With Flash progressively being supplanted by HTML5 this is mostly a marginal and time-limited issue. I very rarely come across Flash content on my iPhone or iPad where i'd actually need Flash (most is just blinking and jiggling ads which I'm glad to miss). One thing to remember is that when you've got Flash installed, many web sites will switch away from the HTML5 they've already got and will insist on pushing Flash to you, while I'll see the HTML5 served to iOS.

I had a feeling I'd be hearing from you in this thread, Klaus!   

As far as that statement, while I agree Flash is dying a slow death, this is still a transition that will take several years. Jobs was right on about the issues that Flash has, and correctly predicted the move to HTML5. In the interim, however, he alienated quite a few people, me included, by not building in Flash browser support.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Since iOS 5 you can use the iDevices completely without a computer as well if you want. It is your own choice whether you want to use iTunes to interface with them.

Indeed, though I stand by my statement that an Apple device will inherently "play nicer" with other Apple devices.

Overall, you gave a pretty solid summary yourself from the "evil" point of view!   

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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:41 pm

Thanks guys I am going to read your replies in detail when I have a bit more time.

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
Why not the Nokia Lumia series and the Windows Phone platform?

I have been a Nokia user since 1996 but my "trusty" E52 has been erratic recently and has put me off Nokia. The service guys have bent over backwards to help me but the phone (and its warranty replacement which I got in November and is now also in with exactly the same problems) has been a disappointment recently.
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 6):
I have been a Nokia user since 1996 but my "trusty" E52 has been erratic recently and has put me off Nokia. The service guys have bent over backwards to help me but the phone (and its warranty replacement which I got in November and is now also in with exactly the same problems) has been a disappointment recently.

Read some more reviews of the Lumia 800 before you make a final decision. My girlfriend owns the Lumia 800 and it feels extremely solid and well built. Another plus about is that it is built in Finland and not by some underpaid labourers in Asia.
It is a very fast phone.

The only downside to Windows Phone is that the appstore is 'only' a little over 50.000 apps so far, but personally I am not really missing any apps (using an Omnia 7 myself). However, I think WP7.5 seems even more fluid than iOS. It just runs extremely well.

Other than that, you have to make up your mind. Do you like to (a) tweak a phone with customizable widgets, etc. or (b) do you want your phone to just work?

if a, then go for Android - if b, then go for iOS or WP7

[Edited 2012-01-09 12:04:09]
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:31 pm

All personal opinion:

- Compare the displays next to each other to form an honest opinion. In my personal opinion, Super-AMOLED+ (SGS2) is vastly superior, including color accuracy. Just make sure to have the "normal/natural" display mode enabled, as the dynamic mode will indeed give over-saturated colors (candy look). Some people like it, I don't. Pay special attention to black, as LCD displays aren't capable of displaying black whereas with an Super-AMOLED+ in low-light situations you can't tell where the display stops and the case begins. It's mighty impressive and a no-brainer, especially when you see the two displays next to each other, in my opinion.

- Price: I don't know about the situation in South Africa, but in Germany the price difference is staggering:

Samsung Galaxy S2 (24 month warranty included): 440€ (amazon)
Apple iPhone 4S (24 month warranty included): 700€ (apple.de)

I personally see absolutely no justification for a 60% premium Apple charges.

- Form follows function vs. function follows form

The iPhone 4S champions form over function and therefore looks better, but you have to be aware of the compromises you have to make because of that:

- Using glass for the front and the back doesn't give you haptic feedback when grabbing your phone without looking. Together with the symmetry your chance of holding your phone in the correct direction when grabbing it without eye contact is 1 out of 4 (front, back, correct orientation, upside down), whereas with the SGS2 you can feel instantly where's what on your phone (glass front, plastic back, small bulge at the bottom of the phone).

- Fall survivability: While modern smartphones all use scratch-resistant glass (gorilla glass), that glass unfortunately isn't crack-resistant. That's why you usually see a protective "lip" around the display of phones, which takes the energy of the impact and guides it into the casing rather than the display. The iPhone 4S does not have such a lip, neither on the front, nor on the back. If you drop your iPhone on any semi-solid ground, chances are you're gonna need new glass. A new display runs you ~100€ in an Apple store according to the rantings of a co-worker.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– OLED displays prioritize maximum colour gamut over colour accuracy and battery endurance

Have you actually seen a SAMOLED+ in action? The quality is amazing, including color accuracy. There's a reason why the whole marketing including high-end TVs are moving towards OLED technology. Battery life of the SGS2 is ok. You won't get better than ok from any modern smartphone.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– bigger displays available, but not really usable single-handedly any more

Unless you have really, really tiny hands, I just don't see the issue. I use my SGS2 with one hand every day, especially when quickly replying to a SMS or just quickly checking something. Absolutely no issue. Please don't mix up the Samsung Galaxy S2 Andz asked about with the Galaxy Note, which is significantly larger.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– removable battery (less compact, less reliable, reboot required when swapping in another battery, but self-service easy when replacing after some years)

Less compact? The phone is insanely thin. Less reliable? In ~16 years of mobile phone usage the one thing that has never failed are the electric contacts between the battery and the phone.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– delayed and limited update/upgrade support (sometimes shorter than usual contract duration)

The SGS2 will receive Android 4.0 in Q1 2012 and Samsung has publicly pledged to provide updates for at least 18 months.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– quality of available software: low to medium; few high-quality exceptions; fragmented platform and frequent inconsistencies

Sorry, but that's just not true. There's tons and tons of great apps available, and I never had the issue of settling for a mediocre app because there wasn't a quality one available. Might have been true 2 years ago, isn't true anymore.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– quality of available hardware: medium (plastic casings, mediocre OS integration)

What exactly is wrong with the build quality of the SGS2? It feels very nice in your hand, nothing jiggles.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ very long and direct update/upgrade support (currently for 3+ years; immediate availability for all users; iOS 6 and 7 will certainly be available for the 4S, possibly beyond)

It should be noted that while Apple does update the version number of the OS, older phones don't always get all the features of an OS update. Apple likes to reserve some for the new phones, Siri being the most prominent example.
And there's also the question of whether just because a phone could be updated it should be updated, as a 2-year old phone simply lacks the necessary hardware power, see for example the horrible performance of iOS4 on the iPhone 3G.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone, including (but not limited to) a very good hands-free mode approaching the quality of high-quality single-purpose handsets (this is rare among smartphones!)

So is the SGS2.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ good battery endurance for a smartphone

What's the status of the iPhone's battery problems? Last I heard was that it was fixed for some with an update, while others where still getting terrible battery life.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):
Another plus about is that it is built in Finland and not by some underpaid labourers in Asia.

The Samsung Galaxy S2 is made in South Korea (phone) and Japan (battery), which both have vastly better working conditions than the infamous "suicide factories" (Workers keep jumping out of the windows while working here? Solution: install nets below the windows. Sounds like satire, actually happened) of Foxconn.in China, where the iPhone 4S is made.

Giving Windows Phone a closer look is indeed worth it though, well-thought out OS, looks nice and it'll probably establish itself, as RIM and HP have more or less surrendered the phone market. There's enough space for 3 different smartphone OS.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 9):
The Samsung Galaxy S2 is made in South Korea (phone) and Japan (battery), which both have vastly better working conditions than the infamous "suicide factories" (Workers keep jumping out of the windows while working here? Solution: install nets below the windows. Sounds like satire, actually happened) of Foxconn.in China, where the iPhone 4S is made.

True - the comment was mostly aimed against Apple  
Quoting racko (Reply 8):

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– OLED displays prioritize maximum colour gamut over colour accuracy and battery endurance

Have you actually seen a SAMOLED+ in action? The quality is amazing, including color accuracy. There's a reason why the whole marketing including high-end TVs are moving towards OLED technology. Battery life of the SGS2 is ok. You won't get better than ok from any modern smartphone

I can only agree with Racko here. My Omnia 7 has a Super Amoled screen. The battery easily lasts for 48 hours with a low to medium usage.. at heavy usage, I have never experienced running out of battery in less than a full days length.
This could partly be because of WP7 which is programmed very well it seems, but with Super Amoled displays, no power is used to display black colour.

[Edited 2012-01-09 12:51:08]
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
So, based on personal experience I would like some guidance... Samsung or Apple?

I have a Samsung Nexus S and I highly recommend it. Android is the best software you could ask for and the hardware is solid.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
You also get unbelievable synchronicity in the Google world. If you use Google Mail, Calendar, or any of the other Google services, the functionality couldn't be simpler.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but last summer I transitioned from a Droid to the Nexus S. I turned on the new phone, entered my GMail login, and all of my emails and contacts instantly transferred. And then all of the apps from my old phone cued up to download onto my new phone. The entire thing was seamless because it was backed up on GMail.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– delayed and limited update/upgrade support (sometimes shorter than usual contract duration)
– problematic security including various malware in the official app market

I've never had issues with that. The only problem with updates and upgrades is that some of the latest and greatest software won't be compatible with some of the lower range phones. With a Galaxy S2 this shouldn't be an issue though.
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:38 pm

How about a Galaxy Nexus?
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
How about a Galaxy Nexus?

Exactly. I'm probably getting this next week to replace my first-generation Galaxy. It looks like one awesome phone.
http://www.google.de/nexus/

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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:04 pm

Great that someone mentioned the Galaxy Nexus as I am also searching for a new phone to replace my first gen iPhone which needs to be replaced really badly! So far I am stuck between the iPhone 4s and the Google Nexus and hoping for a rich discussion in this thread about the iPhone and the Nexus :P
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:06 pm

Quoting srqmuc (Reply 14):
So far I am stuck between the iPhone 4s and the Google Nexus and hoping for a rich discussion in this thread about the iPhone and the Nexus

Here's Klaus' part:

APPLE RULES.

 

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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:17 pm

Fair disclosure here, I'm an android user with a Droid and in the market for another android based phone. However, the Mrs. was an early adopter of all things i-related and I get to use them all the time.

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
Samsung is a washing machine company to me so what its phones are like is a mystery.

To be fair, I used to work in the same building that Samsung has office space in Bellevue, WA. I only saw cell phone testing, no washing machines. GE makes washing machines too, but also jet engines.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Since iOS 5 you can use the iDevices completely without a computer as well if you want. It is your own choice whether you want to use iTunes to interface with them.

One of the best changes associated with iOS 5!

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
You also get unbelievable synchronicity in the Google world. If you use Google Mail, Calendar, or any of the other Google services, the functionality couldn't be simpler.

True, however Apple has a much smoother interface with the iTunes store than Google Market does.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
Another plus for the iPhone is the App Store. Android's offering is perfectly satisfactory, and almost all apps worth having are developed for both, however the Apple App Store is second to none in terms of apps available.
Quoting racko (Reply 8):

Sorry, but that's just not true. There's tons and tons of great apps available, and I never had the issue of settling for a mediocre app because there wasn't a quality one available. Might have been true 2 years ago, isn't true anymore.

I agree with racko here. For the needs of a vast majority of users the Apps available in the iTunes App Market are also
available through the android market. To date I can count on one hand the number of apps I've wanted as a casual app user that was available on the iTunes Market and not available in the android market.

More recently I have a Kindle Fire, that runs off an Android operating system. The Mrs. will often buy the same app and visa versa for her iPad so we can play with our kid on it. I've never had a problem finding one that she uses on her iPad.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
I have a Samsung Nexus S and I highly recommend it. Android is the best software you could ask for and the hardware is solid.

This will probably be my next phone purchase. I did like the Samsung Nexus in the store and it was voted one of the best if not the best Android phone in the US. For what I would use it for it does everything the iPhone would do. Skype, camera, Outlook, scheduling, apps, etc. All I would want.
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:23 pm

I'd also consider the LG Optimus LTE if I were you.

I've been debating between an iPhone 4S, Galaxy S II LTE, or Optimus LTE.

After spending half an hour with the both of those Andriod phones, the Galaxy S II LTE has some nicer interface touches, but the display on the Optimus is much nicer.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:30 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
How about a Galaxy Nexus?
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 13):
Exactly. I'm probably getting this next week to replace my first-generation Galaxy. It looks like one awesome phone.
http://www.google.de/nexus/

I purchased this phone back in December when it was released in the U.S. I've been a user for just under a month. That being said, (slight bias here) I think it's the best phone in the world at the moment. A number of my friends who have the iPhone 4S feel that as the novelty of Siri wears off, its just another iPhone, and despite all of their changes to the OS its still not as good as Android 4.0 (ICS).

Let me first lay out the bad points - The battery life sucks and the phone is pretty big. I am usually at a desk for most of the day and so i keep my phone near a plug point almost the time. I've got about 12 hours of use on the battery. I think iPhone is about the same. The phone being big is true, but it's very light and does fit in my pocket.

The good parts - It's really fast, lighter than an iPhone (considerably- even though I've got a 4G antenna which made it quite heavier), and I LOVe the interface. I like android becasue of the widgets that put everything in front of you. I can look at my calendar and email at the same time without opening any application. This allows me to multitask way more efficiently. With Apple, you have to open one application at a time, whereas with widgets you can look at things more easily. I also have an app for Google Reader, which puts all of my feeds in one place, I can view my calendar, my email, and all the days news within two swipes of my finger.

The Galaxy S2 is probably great as well, and as far as I know it's getting ICS as well. So you should be ok.

I'd go Android in any case.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:30 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):

   The spin-meister extraordinaire!! Note in admiration how Klaus appears to list pro's and con's of both devices, while carefully qualifying every single advantage of the Samsung and every disadvantage of the iPhone. Tweaks for the Samsung? "Semi-supported" - not just supported. Many apps are "'free'" (the quotation marks say it all). Can be cheaper (wink wink). Meanwhile, every disadvantage of the iPhone (can there really be such a thing?) is carefully put into perpective. Can be more expensive (only at full moon, mind). Locked-down system will limit possibilities in some cases!   

Also note that he includes the seemingly neutral +/- section - which really means disadvantage (in the case of the Samsung) or advantage (in the case of the iPhone).

Chapeau, monsieur!  
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):

Good and balanced overview. I tend to agree.


My two cents: both are extremely impressive devices that are unlikely to disappoint. We are now at a point where Android has matured and the phones have become very similar from a technical point of view. More than ever, the choice of OS now depends of the philosophy behind it: do you want an open and customizable platform that is potentially more powerful, but takes effort and the occasional frustration to make full use of? Get Android. Do you want a near-perfect user experience, so polished it will almost never give you bad surprises, but will keep you in a walled garden where everything is overseen by Apple? Then iOS is for you.
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone

If you hold it properly you can even make a phone call from the iPhone... amazing feature for a mobile phone isn't it?  

[Edited 2012-01-09 14:40:02]
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 19):
My two cents: both are extremely impressive devices that are unlikely to disappoint. We are now at a point where Android has matured and the phones have become very similar from a technical point of view. More than ever, the choice of OS now depends of the philosophy behind it

Well, isn't that what most of these comparisons boil down too? I can respect Klaus's opinion as long as I take it with a grain of salt that he's an Apple person. There are people who use Mac products exclusively every day and there are those that have never used a Mac product. I fall somewhere in the middle and can see why people love them, but:

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
- Price: I don't know about the situation in South Africa, but in Germany the price difference is staggering:

Samsung Galaxy S2 (24 month warranty included): 440€ (amazon)
Apple iPhone 4S (24 month warranty included): 700€ (apple.de)

To be fair, the Galaxy and iPhone are much closer in price if you're a Verizon user here in the use. However, one could make the same price comparison between the Kindle Fire and the iPad. My wife literally could do everything she currently does on her iPad on my Fire, but the price difference isn't worth it for some people as it wasn't for me. But, people are willing to pay for the Apple brand (and it is a good product).

If you don't care about personalization and only want ease of use, go iPhone. If you like more control over what you do with your phone and don't want a "standard configuration", get one of the Android OS phones above.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
The good parts - It's really fast, lighter than an iPhone (considerably- even though I've got a 4G antenna which made it quite heavier), and I LOVe the interface. I like android becasue of the widgets that put everything in front of you. I can look at my calendar and email at the same time without opening any application. This allows me to multitask way more efficiently.

It works the same way in WP7, except it is called tiles instead of widgets and they are integrated into the OS, so no need for third party widgets.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
I personally see absolutely no justification for a 60% premium Apple charges.

Not everyone has to pay that "premium".

Go for a iPhone plan and you pay far less. Free if you go for a 3. $99 for the 4.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
The iPhone 4S champions form over function and therefore looks better, but you have to be aware of the compromises you have to make because of that:

Apple focuses on both form & function. They blew apart the smart phone industry with the core design and the current competition is following their lead on the user interfaces.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
your chance of holding your phone in the correct direction when grabbing it without eye contact is 1 out of 4

I have 67 year old eyes and peripheral neuropathy in the hands and I haven't found it to be a problem. Nor have I on the previous 2 generation iPhones.

Overall I believe that the choice will generally be based on the software available and how it satisfies the consumer. The iOS used in the iPhone is also used on the iPad, another important factor over the next few years.

And, of course, there is also the concerns about the Samsung patent infringements.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:15 pm

Breaking news from CES in Las Vegas:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/nokia-900-is-real/

Nokia Lumia 900.. looks promising.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Apple focuses on both form & function.

They usually do. I'll happily acknowledge that there isn't a better laptop casing than those of the Macbook Pros/Airs. They don't with the iPhone 4(S).

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
And, of course, there is also the concerns about the Samsung patent infringements.

And, of course, there is also the concerns about the Apple patent infringements.

Which, of course, to the consumer, are absolutely no concerns in either case.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Not everyone has to pay that "premium".

Go for a iPhone plan and you pay far less. Free if you go for a 3. $99 for the 4.

Lol, Breaking News: If you enter a 24-month-contract with a carrier, they'll pay you a signing fee. That money can be used to buy a phone, or a dish-washer, or you can bag it. Why do they pay you a signing fee? Because you'll pay the money (and then some) back over 24 months, but it looks cheaper. All it does is obscure the costs.

[Edited 2012-01-09 15:38:59]
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 22):
so no need for third party widgets.

The Mail, Calendar and News apps are all developed by Google, so they integrate well with the OS. Are a bit different.



I chose android because I like to choose where i see things and how easy it is to access certain features. I can turn on/off bluetooth, wireless, gps, synchro and brightness without doing anything, as it's on my home screen. With apple I'd have to go into the system settings and do them one by one. I can honestly say that within 5 touches of my phone - (Including turning it on and unlocking) - I can, see the weather, all the news headlines, check email, and see my calendar. I can't do that so quickly with Apple. And being able to do all of that within a few seconds is important to me.

I think the bottom line is, how much usability or customization does the user want. If the user doesn't care for this, or is not very tech savvy- probably ok with an iPhone. If user wants more control over how they view things and where they are. And if diversity in over all look and feel is important go with an Android.

I've never really played around with a Windows phone so can't comment although I bet it falls more in line with Androids than Apple.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 26):
I chose android because I like to choose where i see things and how easy it is to access certain features. I can turn on/off bluetooth, wireless, gps, synchro and brightness without doing anything, as it's on my home screen. With apple I'd have to go into the system settings and do them one by one. I can honestly say that within 5 touches of my phone

A possibility I really like is the automation Android allows, combined with location-aware profiles. You're at work? Phone goes to vibrate automatically. You leave work? Sound back on. Nights? Phone silent. Afraid you're going to miss an important call because of that? Set numbers that will override the setting and ring anyway.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting racko (Reply 27):
A possibility I really like is the automation Android allows, combined with location-aware profiles. You're at work? Phone goes to vibrate automatically. You leave work? Sound back on. Nights? Phone silent. Afraid you're going to miss an important call because of that? Set numbers that will override the setting and ring anyway.

Motorola has already done this on a number of their Android phones, In addition to that, I think it also shuts off 3G/4G networks when it finds your wireless network connected, and also shuts off your GPS when it recognizes you're home. Conserving battery.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:20 am

A couple things to add.

Do you intend to get an iPad type device, do you own a Mac?

The iPhone works very well with the iPad and Mac, so if I had one of the two, or intend to get one, I would have chosen the iPhone (I don't have one of the two, so that didn't affect my decision, but I see my mums iPhone works well with her iPad and mac).

Are you interested in watching video on your phone. Many won't bother on something that small, but for me, it was a must as on short haul flights, I use my phone to watch tv shows, seeing as I don't have a tablet device, and the apple products are close to useless with most video formats, one of the main reasons I'm looking at android tablets rather than the iPad.

Although apple has more apps, the most common ones and the better must have ones are on Android anyway, and I have not felt like my android has been missing anything. However, a lot of the apps which cost money in the Apple app store have been cheaper or in some cases free in the Android market place (sometimes due to ads, but more often due to Apple's fees).

-CXfirst
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:54 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
The 800 should be available in South Africa?

It isn't available here at this point in time.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 16):
To be fair, I used to work in the same building that Samsung has office space in Bellevue, WA. I only saw cell phone testing, no washing machines. GE makes washing machines too, but also jet engines.

That was a tongue in cheek comment, I know about the range and quality of Samsung devices, and your comment about GE is relevant, I sell their electromedical equipment!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 29):
Do you intend to get an iPad type device, do you own a Mac?

No and no, although the iPad maybe become a company-supplied toy in the near future.

Thanks to all who have written such detailed (and sometimes heartfelt!) replies, I am now more confused than ever  
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:57 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 30):
Thanks to all who have written such detailed (and sometimes heartfelt!) replies, I am now more confused than ever

That's how it usually goes when asking a question on a.net... many different opinions 
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:24 pm

I just switched yesterday from an iPhone 4 to the Samsung Galaxy S II. So far I really like it although I am having a devil of a time getting my non-Gmail email to load and work at all as well as get my music over. My Apple Mac Notebook will not take the latest update of v10.6.6 which says it is needed for Winamp to move the music over?
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 32):
although I am having a devil of a time getting my non-Gmail email to load and work at all

(Just making sure) You need to use the generic e-mail client, not the gmail one. Or you can get one of various third-party e-mail apps from the market. I don't use one, but I've heard good things about K-9 Mail.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 32):
get my music over

Can't really help you with that, but there's a bunch of apps available if you like synced music. I for one prefer the good old method of just copying the music on the phone without any program interfering. In the settings menu there's an option you can activate that lets you connect the phone via USB as a mass-storage device.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 29):
Are you interested in watching video on your phone. Many won't bother on something that small, but for me, it was a must as on short haul flights, I use my phone to watch tv shows, seeing as I don't have a tablet device, and the apple products are close to useless with most video formats, one of the main reasons I'm looking at android tablets rather than the iPad.

For what it's worth, I also have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 - And I'm EXTREMELY happy with it.

my two android devices play well with each other well too.
 
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Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone, including (but not limited to) a very good hands-free mode approaching the quality of high-quality single-purpose handsets (this is rare among smartphones!)

I can't speak about iPhones, as I've always been android, and brick before that. I will say though, that my HTC G2 is probably about the best phone I've ever had, sound quality and ease-of-use wise. I do not know if they still make that thing (mine is almost a year old now, which if it were an airliner would make it what, a 737-322 "new" wise?   ), but I've had no problems with it in the time I've had it. The internet runs near flawlessly, the display is great color-wise (even the blacks), though it's probably not that AMOLED thing), and my favorite, it has a fold out keyboard.

To me, that's the single best thing over the iSeries. A haptic interface. But all this is my opinion of course. Your thoughts?
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:24 am

I've been initially struggling with the on-screen keyboard, until I tried Swiftkey X. The typo correction and word prediction works so well that it is sometimes scary.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:27 am

I thought this was kinda funny...

iPhone’s Siri swears at 12-year-old boy

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/fit-t...i-swears-12-old-boy-102303890.html
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:53 am

You should take a look at the 'Smoked by Windows Phone' contest at this years CES in Las Vegas. Apparantly you are able to win 100 dollars if your phone can beat a Windows Phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8NaPPgbbDQ

According to the guy's twitter profile, Windows Phone has won 21 times, lost 2 times and a single tie:

https://twitter.com/#!/BenThePCGuy

Pretty good statistics, I'd say.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:55 pm

Dealing with these devices daily I would go for iPhone 4S . If I didnt have that then I would seriously consider the S2 as its a great contender.
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:58 pm

It depends on what you are looking for...

User friendly out of the box, easy breezy good quality phone... then sure consider the I phone 4s. Sure not as fast as the new 4gs or LTE phones but never less still fast  

If you like to customize like there is no tomorrow... sure the Droids are far better, had Samsung phones way before the "smart stuff" started and they were build very good and I had never any issues with them, wife's first gen. Galaxy still works fine despite being retired now and the I 4s is in use now. She never liked the droid much because she is not a "geek" person and out of the box these phones are not as user friendly as the I4s, she loves her I4s....

I was/still a BB guy for close to 7 years....have switched over to the I4s about 5-6 weeks ago, like it overall, had issues with the power consumption at the beginning, fixed now...no other issues to report   both I4s are wrapped in the Otter skin, works great despite some drops in the past...sure most of you guys say no, man you are hiding all the good stuff   oh well...we all know how the I4s looks "naked"  

Love the Apple store and support....I tunes is a fantastic tool and we have no issues because our computers are Windows based...

There are pros and cons to all of them.... I still have issues because some of the features I had on the BB I do not have on the I4 and there are days I consider having a "pay as you go" plan for my BB 4g


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Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:22 am

Excellent discussion. I have an iPod Touch 4 (essentially an iPhone without the cellular radio) and a Motorola Photon 4G (my carrier's version of the Motorola Atrix). I used to own a Galaxy S and I've played around a lot with the Galaxy S2 and the iPhone 4S. Both are excellent phones and you really wouldn't go wrong with either of them.

There have been some excellent points made for both cases. I don't have that much more to add other than the following which I don't think have been touched on:

-Samsung has a tendency to forget about phones once they release them and move on to their next new model. That's why I was hesitant to get the Galaxy S2 when it came out for my carrier. When I had my Galaxy S, it took forever for them to update to Android 2.2 and even longer for Android 2.3. They also say that they won't be upgrading it to Android 4.0 even though it has the exact same specs as the Nexus S, which got the 4.0 upgrade last month. Go figure. OK, so the Galaxy S2 will get 4.0, but I think this analogy still stands and this is what Samsung has been doing for the longest time and their policy won't change. This might have to do with the fact that Samsung adds the Touchwiz skin to their phones, which makes it harder for them to release an upgrade to the next generation of the software.

-Samsung phones don't have the best cell radios. The Galaxy S2 has reception problems in the US, whereas Motorola Android phones don't have this issue.

-The Galaxy S2 has great battery life. I think it's even better than the 4S's.

-Samsung phones are easy to jailbreak (i.e. root) and they're very easy to customize to your own desire. You can jailbreak an iPhone, but I find that this affects performance. When I jailbroke my iPod, I found that the battery life got quite a bit worse. Jailbreaking a Samsung phone will actually help its performance.

-I find that iOS devices have much worse battery life after the iOS 5 upgrade. Apple has acknowledged this and they did an update, but it didn't do much and we're supposed to be getting another update pretty soon. Apple at least does updates fairly often...Samsung does not.

-With Android phones, you have an actual file manager, whereas you don't have this with the iPhone unless you jailbreak. If this doesn't matter to you, that's OK, but it's essential for me.

-iOS apps are much, much better than Android apps. You simply can't compare. More and better games. Productivity apps are better. Better quality overall and they don't force close as much. I've downloaded the same apps for both Android and iOS and you simply can't compare the two. I will say that Android apps have markedly improved over the last six months, so this might not be an issue a year from now. But the gap is still large right now.

-People have argued that the iPhone has better cross-platformability. This is true. However, Android is improving with this and this will not be so much an issue with Android 4.0 if you have an Android tablet. I have a tablet and most of my phone apps work on it, but not all. Also, there's a program called Bluestacks and you can use Android apps on your Windows (and eventually Mac) computer through this program. It will also be compatible with Windows 8 devices (phones, computers and tablets). That will be awesome!
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:35 am

I can't believe I'm saying this but after having a taste of iOS5 using iCloud and iMessages on my first generation iPad I'm going present my endorsement of the iphone 4S. I've never been a big fan of Android anyway. Both my mother and brother have Galaxy S (first one) and they're pigs.

I don't have an iphone, and I'm happy with my current phone, but I'll be tempted to make the switch when the iphone 5 comes out.
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:17 am

As I expected this has been a great debate topic and I am glad it has remained civil and informative!

I have taken the day off tomorrow and am going to spend some time visiting retailers and (hopefully) playing with each device to try and get the feel of them.

Once again thanks to all for your insight.
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Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:40 am

I'm sure you have all the information you need to make an informed decision, but I'd like to share my experience with the slightly older Galaxy S. One thing that cannot be beaten is the Super AMOLED display. It is bright with vivid colors even in the daytime or in direct sunlight. That being said, Android OS is prone to bugs and issues more so than the iPhone because of the nature of what can be submitted to its Marketplace. Quirky stuff happens pretty regularly. In 10 months of owning my Galaxy, plenty of things have happened that had me scratching my head. One of them was when my phone froze, then the alarm started going off constantly. Nothing would make it stop aside from putting it on silent. If you turned the volume up 20 minutes later, it was still going off. Had to pop the battery out a few times for that. Also the Kies software that you use to connect your computer to the device is a complete joke. It flat out doesn't work most of the time, When it gets going, it will give you error prompts that are completely nonsensical. Clearly whoever wrote the software had a shaky grip on the English language at best. It does have some neat apps and things (including free music downloaders), but day in and day out dealing with quirks and issues on a consistent basis just gets old. I would go for the iPhone 4S if I were you.
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:26 am

Quoting corinthians (Reply 42):
-The Galaxy S2 has great battery life. I think it's even better than the 4S's.

The reputable c't magazine has recently done a comparative test of the major top-of-the-line smartphones (issue 26/2011, p.84ff), among other things testing battery endurance. They are known for rather rigorous standardization of their comparative evaluations.

Excerpt:

Display contrast:
iPhone 4S: 1195:1
Galaxy SII: >10000:1(!)

Brightness:
iPhone 4S: 3…503cd/m^2(!)
Galaxy SII: 65…314cd/m^2

Video playback (brightness calibrated to 200cd/m^2):
iPhone 4S: 12.3h
Galaxy SII: 9h

Browsing the web (WiFi) (brightness calibrated to 200cd/m^2):
iPhone 4S: 11.2h
Galaxy SII: 6.2h(!)

Games:
iPhone 4S: 9h
Galaxy SII: 3h(!)

(Not quoted: The other phones were even worse than the Galaxy, which was the best of the rest apart from the iPhone.)

This shows quite clearly that:
a) Contrast-wise OLED is indeed at the top
b) the contrast in the iPhone's IPS LCD is still so high that the difference to OLED effectively doesn't matter in practice
c) the OLED display sucks battery power like there's no tomorrow when you're extensively using any web- or document-related smartphone features where the screen usually needs to be mostly white
d) similar picture for gaming, if not more extremely (factor 3 instead of 2)
e) even with movie playback (where average brightness is much lower), the OLED still can't edge out any advantage

The LCD has less contrast and a smaller colour range than the OLED, but in real-world use it is still far more power-efficient, far brighter (for usage in direct daylight) and more stable in the long run; It still fits the boring, practical priority on sustained real-world usage better than OLED does, at least up to now.

OLED is a great idea in theory – but the actual engineering hasn't been able to actually manifest most of its theoretical advantages yet.
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:10 am

Nobody mention that iPhones can't do a thing so basic as sending a file through bluetooth?
 
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Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:29 am

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
- Price: I don't know about the situation in South Africa, but in Germany the price difference is staggering:

Samsung Galaxy S2 (24 month warranty included): 440€ (amazon)
Apple iPhone 4S (24 month warranty included): 700€ (apple.de)

I personally see absolutely no justification for a 60% premium Apple charges.

Because they don't. Your prices are purely ficticious.

Fresh from the source:

Official german Apple price for iPhone 4S (16GB): 629€
Official german Samsung price for Galaxy SII (16GB): 649€

T-Mobile (Germany) subsidized (Call & Surf Mobil M):
iPhone 4S (16GB): 239.95€
Galaxy SII (16GB): 199.95€

For comparison: AT&T (USA):
iPhone 4S (16GB): 199.99$
Galaxy SII (16GB): 149.99$

Apple just doesn't need to discount the iPhone through back channels, since they're selling any copy they can manufacture at full price anyway.

Samsung, on the other hand, appears intent on buying market share through discounts.

Different approaches – both valid for the respective priority.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
- Form follows function vs. function follows form

The iPhone 4S champions form over function and therefore looks better, but you have to be aware of the compromises you have to make because of that:

I have to question your ability to make that judgment call after having used various iOS devices for almost four years now and finding a remarkable symbiosis of form and function there.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
There's a reason why the whole marketing including high-end TVs are moving towards OLED technology.

Again: Pure fiction. TVs are still years away from practical use of OLED technology, as they have been for quite a number of years by now. And the practical disadvantages in mobile devices are still quite pronounced (see above). This will hopefully change sometime down the road, but that's still years away from now.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
Battery life of the SGS2 is ok. You won't get better than ok from any modern smartphone.

There are major differences among different smartphones. See above.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
Unless you have really, really tiny hands, I just don't see the issue. I use my SGS2 with one hand every day, especially when quickly replying to a SMS or just quickly checking something. Absolutely no issue. Please don't mix up the Samsung Galaxy S2 Andz asked about with the Galaxy Note, which is significantly larger.

I routinely pull the iPhone out of my pocket with one hand and practically never need the other hand, nor do I need to shift or jiggle the device into a different position in my hand in order to reach the upper left corner (I'm right-handed). I've got pretty large hands and for quick, comfortable and unencumbered single-handed use the 3.5" of the iPhone is still just the limit for me. I could theoretically manage to use a larger device if I had no other choice, but it could get a bit dicey shifting it around in my hand to reach all corners without losing a proper grip.

And what would be the advantage? Higher resolution? Nope. More viewable area? Nope. I just hold the iPhone slightly closer and have the exact same visible area when I really want, at still better resolution and with a proper RGB display for clean edges everywhere (no PenTile cheats as usual with most OLEDs).

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
Less compact? The phone is insanely thin.

The iPhone is already at or slightly above the length and width that's still convenient in my pocket. Even taller and wider than that and it would really become bothersome.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
Less reliable? In ~16 years of mobile phone usage the one thing that has never failed are the electric contacts between the battery and the phone.

Good for you. Many people don't share your luck, though. Plenty of taped-together phones around with the plastic covers starting to come loose and the battery contacts getting wonky.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
The SGS2 will receive Android 4.0 in Q1 2012 and Samsung has publicly pledged to provide updates for at least 18 months.

And you really believe such promises in the face of Samsung simultaneously abandoning the immediate predecessor of the SII in the same breath? I hope Samsung appreciates your faith in them enough to actually follow through this time. Colour me sceptical on this, given their actual performance so far.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
It should be noted that while Apple does update the version number of the OS, older phones don't always get all the features of an OS update. Apple likes to reserve some for the new phones, Siri being the most prominent example.

Siri is not an iOS functionality (at least not at this point). It is explicitly being sold as a device feature bound to the 4S and has never been presented as anything different.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
And there's also the question of whether just because a phone could be updated it should be updated, as a 2-year old phone simply lacks the necessary hardware power, see for example the horrible performance of iOS4 on the iPhone 3G.

The 3G has a quarter(!) of the RAM and at most half the CPU performance of the iPhone 4 (or at best a quarter of the power of the 4S). Small wonder that the initial performance of the new OS could not be on the same level as on the 4 with everything enabled (particularly the Spotlight search indexing) and that some features had to be cut entirely. Apple then substantially improved performance over the initial 4.0, however. All without cost and immediately available for all users.

My 3GS went to its new home with iOS 5, it is still fully supported and running very well, approaching 3 years after I got it. I understand that not everybody appreciates that kind of support (as a perfectly valid personal choice), but I do.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
What's the status of the iPhone's battery problems?

I have none. I regularly get several days on one charge. And by far most other users have no problems with it as well. For the few that still do, Apple is right now preparing the next update (iOS 5.1). Which will again become available for all users at no cost and immediately at the same time.

There are also plenty of people experiencing horrid battery life with their Android devices (also depending a lot on local network coverage and interference as on every device) – but the optimum ceiling is still quite a bit lower there as the c't test demonstrates.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting JJJ (Reply 47):
Nobody mention that iPhones can't do a thing so basic as sending a file through bluetooth?

That may be because hardly anybody cares about that any more.

I've never had a situation where that would actually have been more practical than sending a proper mail or using WiFi.

Not least due to the very slow speed of Bluetooth which may have been appropriate when that legacy mechanism had first been introduced (in the era of low-resolution cameras and analog modems).

The whole point of smartphones is that they are no longer limited to specialty protocols which had been invented for low-grade feature phones.
 
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RE: Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?

Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:26 pm

iOS and Android got smoked by WP7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZww_C6Zgg

 

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