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F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:41 pm

I could have sworm that there was a Part 1 thread, but I cannot seem to find it.

The new season is just a month and a half away!

This year we should have a new race in the U.S. (I want to go but don't know yet if i'll make it!)

Both Caterham (Lotus) and McLaren have released images of their 2012 challengers so far, All other teams aside from Mercedes, Marussia and HRT should be unveiled before the first test on Tuesday.

Caterham's new car -nothing amazing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97174

McLaren's new challenger - Seems rather the same as previous years (although it's a complete rework apparently)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97248

Commenting on the McLaren - I'm thinking here that we're not seeing the complete story here. It looks rather ordinary. I assume there will be another couple noses, and some hidden engineering marvels that increase its speed.

Should be an interesting couple weeks!
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Commenting on the McLaren - I'm thinking here that we're not seeing the complete story here. It looks rather ordinary. I assume there will be another couple noses, and some hidden engineering marvels that increase its speed.

According to McLaren themselves they are expecting questions to be asked by the other teams over the cars legality. They claim they have been too conservative in the past and are pushing the boundaries a lot more this time.

Seems an odd thing to say though- they'd have to be pretty sure it was legit to be inviting scrutiny from other teams. Maybe trying to avoid the problem that most of the teams seem to have from time to time where Charlie OK's something after a casual enquiry, and then changes his mind mid-season after presumably being overruled by the Feds.

In any case, they need a fast start for once. If they get one it could be pretty interesting seeing if we get some intra-team fireworks.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:52 am

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 1):
Seems an odd thing to say though- they'd have to be pretty sure it was legit to be inviting scrutiny from other teams. Maybe trying to avoid the problem that most of the teams seem to have from time to time where Charlie OK's something after a casual enquiry, and then changes his mind mid-season after presumably being overruled by the Feds.

That's probably what they're expecting to happen.

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Commenting on the McLaren - I'm thinking here that we're not seeing the complete story here. It looks rather ordinary. I assume there will be another couple noses, and some hidden engineering marvels that increase its speed.

What's been launched is probably different to whats going to be in testing next week.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:23 am

McLaren was the first team to present their new car for the 2012 season - the MP4-27.
The launch of the new McLaren is the official start of the F1 2012 season.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1

MP4-27 technical specification
Chassis

Monocoque: McLaren-moulded carbonfibre composite incorporating front and side impact structures
Front suspension: Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Rear suspension: Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pullrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Electronics: McLaren Electronic Systems. Including chassis control, engine control, data acquisition, dashboard, alternator, sensors, data analysis and telemetry.
Bodywork: Carbon-fibre composite. Separate engine cover, sidepods and floor. Structural nose with integral front wing.
Driver-operated drag reduction system
Tyres: Pirelli P Zero
Radio: Kenwood
Race wheels: Enkei
Brake callipers: Akebono
Master cylinders: Akebono
Batteries: GS Yuasa Corporation
Steering: McLaren power-assisted
Instruments: McLaren Electronic Systems
Paint solutions: AkzoNobel Car Refinishes using Sikkens products

Engine

Type: Mercedes-Benz FO 108Z
Capacity: 2.4 litres
Cylinders: 8
Maximum rpm: 18,000
Bank angle: 90°
Piston bore maximum: 98mm
Number of valves: 32
Fuel: ExxonMobil High Performance Unleaded (5.75% bio fuel)
Spark plugs: NGK racing spark plugs specially designed for Formula 1
Lubricants: Mobil 1 - combining greater performance, protection and cooling with increased economy and lower emissions
Weight: 95kg (minimum FIA regulation weight)

KERS Hybrid

Type: Mercedes-Benz
e-Motor: Engine-mounted electrical motor/generator
ESS: Integrated energy storage cells and power electronics
Power: 60 kW

Transmission

Gearbox: McLaren-moulded carbon-fibre composite.
Integral rear impact structure
Gears: Seven forward and one reverse
Gear selection: McLaren seamless shift, hand-operated
Clutch: Carbon/carbon, hand-operated
Lubricants: Mobil

See the pictures of the new MP4-27 at the launch ceremony

https://picasaweb.google.com/111156109945808632785/McLarenLaunch2012?authkey=Gv1sRgCITEw4qVk727VQ&noredirect=1

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes reveals MP4-27

Official Vodafone McLaren Mercedes web site technical launch gallery

http://www.mclaren.com/page/mp4-27-technical-launch--gallery

I hope Lewis will give up his showbiz aspirations and friends and he will fully concentrate on his future in Formula 1. This year could be his last chance as there are many talented young drivers waiting for his seat.

As for Jenson, I am sure he will do very well again in 2012 up to his best as usual. He has got the right environment and talent to succeed.

Good luck McLaren Mercedes. Give us a great 2012 season!

  
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:01 am

Ferrari have launched their 2012 challenger...

http://badgergp.com/2012/02/new-ferrari-f1-f12-car-launch/


Nice nose!  Wow!
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:08 am

Force India launched their 2012 challenger this morning too.

http://badgergp.com/2012/02/force-india-f1-car-launch/

And your starter question for 10...

Name 1 thing that this car and the Ferrari F1 car have in common?
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 4):
Ferrari have launched their 2012 challenger...

http://badgergp.com/2012/02/new-ferrari-f1-f12-car-launch/


Thank you for posting this. I like the car.

There is a really nice article about the new F-2012 launch in today's La Gazzetta dello Sport with the two Ferrari drivers comments and impressions, also Stefano Domenicali and the big boss, Luca di Montezemolo.

"The new Ferrari is born. Her name is F-2012".

http://www.gazzetta.it/Formula1/02-0...tazione-via-web--81221039689.shtml

You can use Google Translate to get the article in your own language.

Article says "photos to be posted later" so check the link later for pictures.

Looking at the new F-2012 seems that the new McLaren's nose may not be legit?

   

As for the new Vijay Mallya 05 let's see how it will do during testings.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:20 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Looking at the new F-2012 seems that the new McLaren's nose may not be legit?

The front of the McLaren chassis is lower and they don't need the step down nose.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 4):
Ferrari have launched their 2012 challenger...
Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 5):
Force India launched their 2012 challenger this morning too.

Damn, those are ugly, especially the Ferrari.   
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:25 pm

When they wrote the new rules, I hope the FIA did not have that kind of design in mind. Those noses are ugly. The look like a boxer's nose, completely bended because of punches...

[Edited 2012-02-03 07:40:17]
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
Those noses are ugly.

Don't worry. They will be changed again next year.

 

I am waiting to see the 2012 version of the Red Bulls, the Saubers and the SchumiCar.

I wish so much that Schumi could win himself an 8th F1 WDC title but considering the car I think he has almost no chances for it to happen.

A Red Bull for Schumi!!!!!

     
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:44 pm

I just saw this on BBC News

Sauber's technical director James Key has left the Swiss team to take up a new role in the UK.
Key, who has been with Sauber for two years, did not reveal what the new role was or whether it was in Formula 1.
...
Sauber said that Key's responsibilities would be shared by the heads of the four engineering departments.
The team's new car will be launched on Monday 6 February, ahead of the start of pre-season testing on 7 February in Jerez, Spain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16877694

 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):

Looks like they'll be off to a slow start since they've lost their Key.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:36 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
Looks like they'll be off to a slow start since they've lost their Key.

I had a good laugh!

 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:37 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Looking at the new F-2012 seems that the new McLaren's nose may not be legit?

It's very legit as stated already by Bill142. There will more designs that differs from Ferrari and Force India, but this does not mean that they are not legit. Just different approaches by the teams.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
Looks like they'll be off to a slow start since they've lost their Key.

Maybe they can get a spare Key that actually works now.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm

The new Sauber has been launched......

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97335
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
The new Sauber has been launched......

Thank you for the link. I had the launch date wrong as I thought it was tomorrow!   
I am not really enthused by the way they mixed the colours on the car but this has no real importance.
Sergio is no longer a F1 newbie this year. We will see how well him and Kamui will do this season.
I hope the tech team can manage well without the Key.

There will be Schumi, Kamui, Kimi, but still no Kubi.  

The 2012 season will be highly competitive with 6 World Champions on the grid.

     
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
The new Sauber has been launched......

I think part of the engine deal with Ferrari included a clause that forced Sauber to design a car that would make the F2012 look good.

.. and they complied!!!
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:01 pm

From the Sauber F1 website:

Unveiling & Roll-out

Hinwil/Jerez de la Frontera, 6th February 2012 – Today, Monday, the Sauber F1 Team launches its new car for the 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship. Drivers Kamui Kobayashi (25) and Sergio Pérez (22) unveil the Sauber C31-Ferrari at the Jerez de la Frontera circuit in Spain, where on Tuesday official Formula One pre-season testing will get underway. For filming purposes the C31 will cover its initial laps today.

http://www.sauberf1team.com/en/news....auber_F1_Team_launchesC31_in_Jerez

I just wish they could find more sponsors. They need to lobby Japanese companies more.

  

Red Bull will unveil the RB8 this afternoon.

[Edited 2012-02-06 05:31:01]
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:31 pm

This years crop of F1 cars are about the ugliest to date.

Sauber



Lotus



Force India



Caterham



Ferrari




Red Bull

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KBaXikQUu-4/Ty_R6OUY1YI/AAAAAAAATWE/H1IS1XsnFX4/s1600/Red-Bull-RB8-2012-F1-Car.jpg

McLaren, I wonder if McLaren will be the only team with a pretty car?

 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
McLaren, I wonder if McLaren will be the only team with a pretty car?

I'm also wondering if Pretty Car = Slower Car :-/
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
This years crop of F1 cars are about the ugliest to date.

Before we know it we have gotten used to the new look.  
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:41 pm

The C31 looks like the bastard child of the Caterham CT01 and the FW33.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:03 pm

Any idea on why Caterham and Lotus went with the different style nose bump than the rest of the cars released so far (sans the McLaren)?

Personally, I can't wait to see the W03.

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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
This years crop of F1 cars are about the ugliest to date.

That nose section looks awful!
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:23 am

I wondering what those airducts on the nose hump are for on the Red Bull?

Some kind of device that sends air flow to the bottom of the car to add down force?
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 25):
ome kind of device that sends air flow to the bottom of the car to add down force?

Not sure what it is.

Am I optimistic by saying that it might be another brainwave from Newey that will put the RBR on top for another year?
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:42 am

Here's the new Williams Renault FW34:



Unfortunately, it has that ugly stepped noes like all other cars released so far, bar the McLaren. I wonder if McLaren are onto something here that every other team missed ....
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:55 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 25):
I wondering what those airducts on the nose hump are for on the Red Bull?

Looks like Williams have the same arrangement.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 25):
Some kind of device that sends air flow to the bottom of the car to add down force?

Adrian Newey says it's ony for driver cooling.   
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:02 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 27):
I wonder if McLaren are onto something here that every other team missed ....

There is equally a chance of them being the ones who missed the boat. Particularly if Newey went for a stepped nose.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:10 am

Kimi is back and he wants everybody to know about it!

Kimi Raikkonen sets fastest pre-season testing time on F1 return
By Andrew Benson Chief F1 writer

Kimi Raikkonen set the fastest time on the first day of pre-season testing, his first day of running with other drivers since his return to Formula 1.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16932283

Looks like 2012 will be an exciting season with the 6 World Champions at the wheel.

        
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
Am I optimistic by saying that it might be another brainwave from Newey that will put the RBR on top for another year?

Would not surpise me one bit.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 29):
Adrian Newey says it's ony for driver cooling.

hahahaha.....now that's funny.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:51 am

Gary Anderson clarifies a few things that might put some discussions here to rest....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16864721  
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:17 am

Looks like the 2012 Bahrain F1 Grand Prix will be cancelled.

Formula 1 has been urged to call off the Bahrain Grand Prix by a group of leading British peers in the wake of continuing unrest in the Gulf state.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16962812

I haven't heard Bernie say anything so it's a wait and see situation.

 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:41 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 33):

Now I understand what the rule change was that made all those dropped noses.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:18 pm

I think it's cool that Gary Anderson joins as he will be able to feed us with valuable info from the technical point of view.
A strong trio they have now BBC.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:11 pm

Finally Trulli has been replaced! Petrov got his drive.........

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97552

If there is one driver I wont miss in F1, it's Trulli. His contribution to his team has been slim to none since....I don't know when.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 37):
If there is one driver I wont miss in F1, it's Trulli. His contribution to his team has been slim to none since....I don't know when.

I'm sure I'll miss the Trulli Train, though :-P
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting Acheron (Reply 38):
I'm sure I'll miss the Trulli Train, though :-P

Me too,

but for what it's worth i think we have a very interesting line up this year. The likes of Hulkenburg being back and Ricciardo and Vergne who are supposed to be magical. Kimi is back ni the car and I feel Lotus will surprise.

If and Hamilton is back on his A game and McLaren deliver, I think we could be in for a really interesting season.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:55 am

10=2
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:37 am

Quoting zak (Reply 40):
2012 Merc revealed:


I thought Sauber had the deal to make the Ferrari look good.. seems I was wrong, Mercedes have been severely slapped with the ugly stick!!

I wonder if all these step nosed teams have been suckered by Red Bull, McLaren never had a high chassis and were pretty competitive so didn't need the "step".
Red Bull had a high chassis and because they were so fast everyone (except 1) followed them.. now they all have this ridiculous duck-bill ... but Newey might be one step ahead again with his mysterious "driver cooling" vent.

Time will tell,
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:50 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 41):
Red Bull had a high chassis and because they were so fast everyone (except 1) followed them.. now they all have this ridiculous duck-bill ... but Newey might be one step ahead again with his mysterious "driver cooling" vent.

The logic behind the high nose is this:
The higher the nose the more mass-flow of air can be under the Nose. That air is the air that can be used to work the downforce. Increasing this workable mass-flow of air was also the reason for the whole exhaust in the diffusor scheme of last year that is now banned by regulations. In that aspect, it appears that this years Merc has by far the most extreme Nose, after all it has the highest and slimmest nose at the same time, it should be interesting to see if they get this potential mass flow advantage into downforce.

The interesting part on the whole new noses is that it appears that only RB and Merc have developed a "blown" front wing, as evident by the RB "cooling vents" in the "step" and the big oval opening in the Merc "nose".
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:02 pm

As a former Bahrain race regular I received the email with the discounted tickets offer. For as much as I would like to go back to the Kingdom it seems highly likely that the race will be scrubbed, maybe for good.

    

Not sure how many will want to go due to political events. Maybe most living away from the Gulf regioon will be in no rush to rush buying tickets for the race.

What will Bernie do this year? Bahrain F1 Yes or No?

    
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 43):
it seems highly likely that the race will be scrubbed, maybe for good.

Which is good because the event was crap, held on a horrible boring circuit in a country which really couldn't give a crap about F1.
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:06 pm

This is Kamui's new bilingual Japanese/English web site with some really nice graphics.

http://www.kamui-kobayashi.com/

           
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:12 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
This is Kamui's new bilingual Japanese/English web site with some really nice graphics.

Well, If you are a midfield driver I guess you need to have a site that shines the more.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 44):
Which is good because the event was crap, held on a horrible boring circuit in a country which really couldn't give a crap about F1.

That probably covers it.
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 37):
If there is one driver I wont miss in F1, it's Trulli.

Sadly there are no more Italian drivers in Formula 1.

Drivers coming from countries with such great automobile history and great constructors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani and Maserati are being replaced with drivers from countries with no automobile history such as Russia.... and others.

Not sure which historical Russian car factory could compete with brands such as Bugatti, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, not talking about great names like Ferrari and genius designer Pininfarina.

We had...
Patrese
Capelli
Martini
Morbidelli
Larini
Alboreto
Zanardi
Fisichella
Trulli
Liuzzi

We now have an uncertain paid driver named Vitaly Petrov.

Maybe it won't be long until we see a Tata on the grid.

New money wins.

 

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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:06 pm

When was the last time we actually had an Italian behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car that was any good, could win races and challenge for the F1 Drivers Championship? The answer is a very long time ago, 1953 to be exact, Alberto Ascari in a Ferrari. I'm purposely not including Mario Andretti in 1978, as he raced under an American racing license and was only born in Italy, which is now part of Croatia, so he's Croatian American rather than Italian American.

To sum it up not having an Italian driver isn't a big deal, if you said there were no longer any British drivers in the Championship then I'd be concerned, after all Britain is the home of Formula 1!

[Edited 2012-02-22 05:43:54]
 
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RE: F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2

Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 47):
Drivers coming from countries with such great automobile history and great constructors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani and Maserati are being replaced with drivers from countries with no automobile history such as Russia.... and others.

Just because Italy has a great history in car manufacturing, doesn't automatically mean that they have good race drivers.
Look how good Badoer nursed his chance when he was able to race, or Fisi.
And you seem to also forget that Ferrari only takes on drivers that are able to drive and push development. Not midfield drivers like Kamui, to name one.
When in doubt, flat out!

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