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New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:02 pm

BMW has unveiled the new (F12) M6, both the Coupé as well as the convertible:

A few specs:

Twin Turbo V8
560 HP
680 NM from 1,500rpm onwards
0-100km/h: 4,2 sec (Coupe); 4,3 sec (Cabrio)
Top Speed: 250km/h limited, can be increased to 305 km/h (still limited )
7-Speed-Dual-Clutch Transmission (US will get a manual, too)
Carbon Fibre roof (Coupe)

Pictures:
http://www.6post.com/goodiesforyou/m/m6/f12-f13/pressrelease/exterior/coupe/P90089556.jpg
http://www.6post.com/goodiesforyou/m/m6/f12-f13/pressrelease/wallpapers/04_1920x1200_m6_coupe_wallpaper.jpg
http://www.6post.com/goodiesforyou/m/m6/f12-f13/pressrelease/exterior/convertible/P90089540.jpg
http://www.6post.com/goodiesforyou/m/m6/f12-f13/pressrelease/exterior/convertible/P90089537.jpg
http://www.6post.com/goodiesforyou/m/m6/f12-f13/pressrelease/wallpapers/14_1920x1200_m6_coupe_wallpaper.jpg
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:43 pm

Wow. And there I was, thinking that beautiful cars were a thing of the past..

This is the most beautiful, astonishing BMW I have ever seen.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:53 pm

One thing I never understood about BMW is that they never use sporty metallic pedals. They always use the same bland pedals all across the board. I remember reading the justification somewhere and it was quite laughable.

Can't make my mind up on the looks. It's better than the last generation for sure.

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
US will get a manual

Holy crap I can't believe what I'm reading   

Of course the mid-life crisis types of people that always seem to get the 6 series will surely only go for the auto  
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
This is the most beautiful, astonishing BMW I have ever seen.

SCHWING!!!

The last 6-series was certainly striking, but not particularly a pretty car. This one takes care of that.

Bringing in another thread topic, why can't Lincoln design a car that looks this good?
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
Bringing in another thread topic, why can't Lincoln design a car that looks this good?

Because their engineers work for Ford. When has Ford produced anything inspiring in the past 10 years?

As to the BMW, looks strikingly like a 3 series in the back with a 5 series front end. Maybe it will look more "substantial" in real life. Not bad looking, just would have liked to see something a touch more extreme rather than a rehash of other models in one car.

Interior is stunning.

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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:23 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
Interior is stunning.

Yep. Notice the center console - very non-symmetrical. I like that.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
When has Ford produced anything inspiring in the past 10 years?

Excuse me? I'm not a Ford fan, really, but how can you say that?

What about the Focus RS? Arguably the best hot-hatch to come out of the automotive world in the last decade.

What about their pickup trucks? Maybe not pretty in the traditional sense, but the SVT Raptor is quite the machine.

The new 2013 Fusion looks spectacularly sexy (very Aston-like!).

What about the GT? A re-make of an old classic, yes, but what gorgeous lines. Sex on wheels, that thing is.

Mustang Shelby GT500? That thing will embarass most other cars on the road, especially if you keep it to competing with others cars in its price bracket.

I could go on.

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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
When has Ford produced anything inspiring in the past 10 years?

Don't tar all the non US Ford factories and design teams with the US Ford brush.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:44 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Yep. Notice the center console - very non-symmetrical. I like that.

Me thinks that this center console, in fact, entire cabin might be based on the 8-series of the 90's

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2011/01/29/14/59/1996_bmw_8_series_840ci-pic-4790409145635181682.jpeg
http://www.6post.com/goodiesforyou/m/m6/f12-f13/pressrelease/wallpapers/14_1920x1200_m6_coupe_wallpaper.jpg

There are a lot of similarities in basic outline and design, including the offset slightly angled toward the driver center console. My dad had the 8 back in the 90's and he always remarked that he felt like he was in cockpit of a fighter jet.

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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:49 pm

me thinks it's an update of the previous E63 6 Series.

http://www.6post.com/forums/attachment.php?s=8e6b6b491e5288406598ddb86d3a9063&attachmentid=643786&d=1329069042
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
Excuse me? I'm not a Ford fan, really, but how can you say that?

What about the Focus RS? Arguably the best hot-hatch to come out of the automotive world in the last decade.

What about their pickup trucks? Maybe not pretty in the traditional sense, but the SVT Raptor is quite the machine.

The new 2013 Fusion looks spectacularly sexy (very Aston-like!).

What about the GT? A re-make of an old classic, yes, but what gorgeous lines. Sex on wheels, that thing is.

Mustang Shelby GT500? That thing will embarass most other cars on the road, especially if you keep it to competing with others cars in its price bracket.

I could go on.

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Really? Ford's quality is seriously lacking. The question was, "Why can't Lincoln produce something this great?" Ford has never produced anything near the quality of todays current BMW standards, at least in the past 20 years. The only car that would have this much horse power alone would be some high end version of a Mustang, but the interior would be standard Ford and plastic-y. Lincoln improves the look a bit, but they are still Ford parts, and for the most part, Lincoln produces 4-door products all based on existing Ford frames, including the Rich American Grandpa-mobile, the Lincoln Town Car, which is a glorified Crown Vic with some extra silver trimming, wood, and a few more skins of leather.

Also, I'd hardly call a hatchback inspiring machinery. Functional yes, practical yes, but not sexy, sporty (in the sense that the 6-series is sporty), or powerful.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):
me thinks it's an update of the previous E63 6 Series.

Copy that...      
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
Because their engineers work for Ford. When has Ford produced anything inspiring in the past 10 years?


Also that M6 is one helluva pretty car.

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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:44 am

That car might make me think twice about a 911, but I bet it weighs more. Really, I'd just as soon get an M5.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Of course the mid-life crisis types of people that always seem to get the 6 series will surely only go for the auto

I think BMW is really trying to make this a convincing sports car, and they'll probably do alright. I bet the manuals will be less than 10% of imports and suffer badly come resale time.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
why can't Lincoln design a car that looks this good?

Because Ford doesn't have a car this good for them to slap their badge on.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:44 am

I wonder if it'll have that weird "exhaust noise piped in through stereo" thing going on that the reviewers mentioned (and derided) in the latest M5.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:23 am

That orange M6 coupe is gorgeous. The convertible is nice too, but I live in a desert with 300 plus days of sunshine (which sometimes includes sunny 115 degree days), so I don't think I need a convertible.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 10):
Really? Ford's quality is seriously lacking. The question was, "Why can't Lincoln produce something this great?" Ford has never produced anything near the quality of todays current BMW standards, at least in the past 20 years. The only car that would have this much horse power alone would be some high end version of a Mustang, but the interior would be standard Ford and plastic-y. Lincoln improves the look a bit, but they are still Ford parts, and for the most part, Lincoln produces 4-door products all based on existing Ford frames, including the Rich American Grandpa-mobile, the Lincoln Town Car, which is a glorified Crown Vic with some extra silver trimming, wood, and a few more skins of leather.

Also, I'd hardly call a hatchback inspiring machinery. Functional yes, practical yes, but not sexy, sporty (in the sense that the 6-series is sporty), or powerful.

You said they haven't produced anything inspiring. That's just plain wrong. The Ford ST/RS triggered a whole bunch of front-wheel drive, super powerful hot hatches in the world (Dodge Caliber SRT4, Mazdaspeed3, RenaultSport Clio, RenaultSport Megane, just to name a few) that have now tried to sieze a piece of the market that used to be owned exclusively by the Volkswagen GTI. That's the very definition of inspiring. You said the RS isn't sporty or powerful. It has 305HP, a 6-sp manual (which the 6-series doesn't offer), great sport seats, nicely tuned suspension. It handles better than most cars out there, regardless of which wheels are being powered. Lap times and reviews can all attest to that. It doesn't have all the annoying electronic nannies most other cars have these days, so it lets the driver control the car the way he/she wants to. I've driven the RS and many more powerful "sports" cars (Corvette, M3, etc) and the RS was honestly more fun than any other one of those, by a wide margin.

The SVT Lightning trucks triggered a whole bunch of copy-cat high-power trucks (Dodge SRT, for example). Again, the definition of inspiring.

I mentioned nothing about Ford quality in my post. I will gladly acknowledge that their build quality in the USA is atrocious. That's why I'm not a Ford fan. But the cars they build and deliver in Europe are astronomically good. It's been consistently rated the best manufacturer in Europe, and its reliability reviews are among the best over there. The interior materials leave a lot to be desired regardless of where you're buying the car, but that's the essence of a cheaper manufacturer. You can't compare Ford to BMW or Ferrari in terms of build quality. It's just not the same market.

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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
I think BMW is really trying to make this a convincing sports car, and they'll probably do alright. I bet the manuals will be less than 10% of imports and suffer badly come resale time.

Well, internet reports are that only the US is getting the manual transmission due to unique demand. It was months ago that I last read that, so forgive me if it has changed. Nevertheless, I'd expect more than 10% imported will be a conventional manual (and I can't imagine them reselling for less than the sequential gearbox).
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 16):
The Ford ST/RS triggered a whole bunch of front-wheel drive, super powerful hot hatches in the world (Dodge Caliber SRT4, Mazdaspeed3, RenaultSport Clio, RenaultSport Megane, just to name a few

No it didn't the power war with front wheel drive hatches really started with the VR6 Golf way way back in the early 90's, it's been steadily ramping up since then, the Focus RS500 is merely the current pinnacle. Prior to the VR6 Golf most hot hatches had anywhere from 120hp to 145hp.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
When has Ford produced anything inspiring in the past 10 years?

I've also taken your comments to the masses (so to speak - asked a couple of friends) to see if the general opinion is the same as yours or mine. (It was not intended originally to be a "Ha! See? I told you so!" result, but it turned out that way. Please know I am not saying your opinion is stupid or anything like that. Just elaborating mine and demonstrating that your comments were rather generalized).

I'm getting comments like:
"The Mustang is a great throw-back to the original car. Dodge and Chevrolet showed us exactly how not to do that, and while Mustang's attempt at the Thunderbird fell short, the new Pony cars are great, great tributes."

"Well, some of their cars have been hideous until the new dynamic design language. Now they're coming around. But the most inspiring thing Ford has done recently is its Ecoboost technology. Not particularly glamorous, but it's giving larger cars better gas mileage and drawing tons of customers."

"The RS is the ultimate hot-hatch. I wish they brought it here. It'd inspire me to buy one!"

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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
Prior to the VR6 Golf most hot hatches had anywhere from 120hp to 145hp.

You're forgetting probably the most important of them all, the Lancia Delta.

The first Integrale was giving 185hp back in 1987. They grew to 200, 210 and 215 in the following years.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:59 pm

OMG, that is one hellaciously gorgeous vehicle....

I MUST HAVE IT.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 20):
You're forgetting probably the most important of them all, the Lancia Delta.

One of my classic dream cars.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 17):
Nevertheless, I'd expect more than 10% imported will be a conventional manual (and I can't imagine them reselling for less than the sequential gearbox).

Somewhere I saw that even Ferrari only sells about 10% of their cars with manuals, and I can't imagine that a BMW that is further towards the GT side of the spectrum will do better. They may hold value due to relative rarity, but I bet dealers might be wary of leasing new M6s with stick shifts.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:20 am

Dual-Clutch Gearboxes are very good though. I'd never go for a tradional automatic in a sporty car, but I'd be very willing to consider a Dual-Clutch setup.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:41 am

It's not ugly, but quite boring. I don't see what part should get me excited. Like its predecessor it's an overweight boat.
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 25):
Like its predecessor it's an overweight boat.

Now that's a valid point for the entire BMW lineup. They need to go on a diet. Curb weights are the or near the heaviest in class across the board. Imagine the performance improvement if they would cut weight. This has been a common gripe for years.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 26):
Now that's a valid point for the entire BMW lineup. They need to go on a diet. Curb weights are the or near the heaviest in class across the board. Imagine the performance improvement if they would cut weight. This has been a common gripe for years.

Except unlike almost every fat american or asian car out there, these cars can actually handle despite the weight. My dad's 325i felt like anything but a heavy car at the steering wheel. Same for a friends M3. They still are among the best handling cars out there in their class.
 
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 26):
Now that's a valid point for the entire BMW lineup. They need to go on a diet. Curb weights are the or near the heaviest in class across the board. Imagine the performance improvement if they would cut weight. This has been a common gripe for years.

All cars are like that. Compare the weights of today's Mustang GT with that of 30 years ago and I would not be surprised if you see close to 1000 pounds more weight. Those airbags, crashworthiness improvements, electric windows, more anechoic insulation, plusher seats, 500+watt stereos etc add weight.

Seriously, who now buys a truly basic car? No stereo, no electrics (apart from engine and lights)? As my grandfather used to say, "Carries your hat, your ass, and a gallon of gas"?
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RE: New BMW M6 Unveiled

Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:31 pm

Empty weight, all according to their official German websites:

BMW 320d: 1490 kg
Audi A4 2.0 TDI quattro: 1635 kg
Mercedes C200 CDI: 1565 kg
Lexus IS 220d: 1660 kg

BMW 530d: 1760 kg
Audi A6 3.0 TDI quattro: 1795 kg
Mercedes E300 CDI: 1935 kg
Jaguar XF 3.0 Diesel: 1810 kg
Lexus GS460h: 1895 kg No more powerful Diesel available, Hybrid has comparable fuel consumption

BMW 740d: 1950 kg
Audi A8 4.2 TDI: 2070 kg
Mercedes S350 BlueTec: 1995 kg
Jaguar XJ 3.0 Diesel: 1796 kg No more powerful Diesel available
Lexus LS600h: 2365 kg No Diesel available, Hybrid has comparable fuel consumption

I don't really see your point.

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