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Cadillac Unveils Limo/Livery Variant Of XTS Sedan

Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:08 am

It's official. After a half-year of automotive press rumors, Cadillac has made it official. The newly introduced XTS "W20" sedan will indeed be offered in a stretched wheelbase limousine version, and a higher volume sedan livery version. This XTS stretch is Cadillac's response to Lincoln's new MKT limousine variant (the replacement to the iconic RWD Lincoln Town Car). Both variants will be unveiled to the industry at an industry trade show this week (called the International Limousine, Charter and Tour Show) in LAS

Not much is known about the XTS "W20" package, but the car will include all the standard features of the retail XTS. That means livery buyers can expect to find luxuries like illuminated door handles, rear-vision camera, OnStar and even Brembo brakes.

Cadillac also stated that the luxury car maker plans to offer extended wheelbase and limousine chassis versions of the XTS by the end of 2012.

No word yet on how much the livery-spec XTS will cost, but “special pricing and incentives are expected be announced at the show” in Las Vegas, Given the high-mileage nature of the livery business, the W20 package will come with a 3-year/150,000 mile warranty rather than Cadillac’s standard 5-year/100,000 mile coverage.

Cadillac Official Press Release and Source: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...on-display-next-week-in-las-vegas/
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:24 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
(the replacement to the iconic RWD Lincoln Town Car).



That Town Car design was hideous from day one and the limo version looked even more ridiculous. I hope Lincoln's and Caddie's new limos at least look better than that poor imitation Taurus on a rear drive platform Town Car/Limo. We deserve a break from those laughably ugly Hummer, Navigator and other SUV limo knock offs! I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes up with a limo that looks like an over the top neo classical MC. Mansion on wheels complete with shutters. Of course with people's tastes today a monstrosity like that would be the new "It Limo" on wheels.
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 3):
That Town Car design was hideous from day one

Which "day one" are you talking about?
1959?
1969?
1981?
1998?
2003?


As far as this new Cadillac stretch?
  
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Which "day one" are you talking about?
1959?
1969?
1981?
1998?
2003?

All of the above!
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:48 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...on-display-next-week-in-las-vegas/

Is it me or does the front really look several sizes too big for the rest of the car?
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Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:07 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
Is it me or does the front really look several sizes too big for the rest of the car?

The photo in the article is the "standard" XTS sedan.... I am still looking for a photo of the limo variant of the XTS. And, in person, the XTS is actually quite attractive, much more so than the CTS sedan, at least in my opinion. The XTS is a large car, and the grille does not look so oversized "in the flesh"...

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Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:09 am

Hideous. Angry, mutant front. Body a poor copy of an S Class or CLK.

If they toned down the front 100x or so, and it harmonized with the body, it would be much better.

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Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:57 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Which "day one" are you talking about?
1959?
1969?
1981?
1998?
2003?



Sometimes I think faster than I can type. That horrid last generation Town Car. I've said it before, I'll say it again the damn thing looks like a hippo sized Ford Taurus. I wish the car designers would finally get away from the jelly bean styling. Also in regard to most of the imports and the ugly Chevy Cruz enough of wanting to adopt that Altima/Maxima look it's been there done that.

Also, the 1959 Lincolns were so over the top and ugly it's funny especially the ones with that "Breezeway" window. The 1958-1960 Chrome gingerbread Lincolns almost put the nail in their coffin when America liked Ike.
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Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:07 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
Is it me or does the front really look several sizes too big for the rest of the car?

I agree. The styling looks awkward and unbalance.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
The photo in the article is the "standard" XTS sedan.... I am still looking for a photo of the limo variant of the XTS.

I've seen enough. I don't like it.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
And, in person, the XTS is actually quite attractive,

I haven't seen one in person but it's front-drive and that's all I need to know.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 7):
That horrid last generation Town Car.

1998? or 2003?
In 2003, there was a minor reskin that sharpened the edges a bit that made a world of difference in terms of appearance. I never liked the 1998 - 2002. Those are upside down bathtubs. Those few years, I prefer the Mercury Grand Marquis over the Lincoln Town Car because of the boxier styling and the larger trunk space.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 7):
Also, the 1959 Lincolns were so over the top and ugly it's funny especially the ones with that "Breezeway" window. The 1958-1960 Chrome gingerbread Lincolns

I like those Lincolns.  
They were a HUGE improvement over the previous generation. Even though most American cars of the 1950s had large fishtails and lots of styling, the Lincolns of this era were very bland and boring looking. They had almost no styling at all. The 1958 Lincoln Continentals had lots of styling, were body on frame and were very long.
I mentioned 1959 in my earlier post because the 'Town Car' trip package came out for that year but would only last for 2 years. Then the 'Town Car' trip package came out again in 1969 and that package became very popular throughout the 1970s. I was off by a year, it was 1982 when the Town Car became a separate model. In 1982, Lincoln brought out a smaller, mid-size Continental based on the Fox platform and the large Lincoln were all called Town Cars from that year onward.
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Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:03 am

One thing with Cadillac offering the XTS to the livery fleet market - Cadillac HAS to be preparing a larger Flagship model, otherwise, they wouldn't offer the XTS to the "black sedan" market. They would not undermine the resale market with thousands of XTS sedans. Remember that the real purpose of the XTS is to give (usually older) buyers of the ancient DTS front-drive sedan something to buy. If nothing else, this move proves to me that GM has FINALLY coughed up the development money for a large (hopefully RWD and V8 powered) true flagship sedan, perhaps looking somewhat like this concept!!!

Cadillac Ciel concept (2011)
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9):
If nothing else, this move proves to me that GM has FINALLY coughed up the development money for a large (hopefully RWD and V8 powered) true flagship sedan, perhaps looking somewhat like this concept!!!

Letøs hope so but I doubt it.
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9):

Saw the Ciel at the Chicago autoshow. Liked what I saw till I was told that it is a V6. I walked off when I heard that...
 
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 11):
Liked what I saw till I was told that it is a V6

A twin turbo V6 is going to give easily as much power as a V8 but with better economy.
 
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:51 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 7):
, I'll say it again the damn thing looks like a hippo sized Ford Taurus

It is nothing like a Taurus... The Taurus is a FWD turd and the Town Car is a thing of beauty!

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 7):
. That horrid last generation Town Car.

You have no taste.... 
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
The 1958 Lincoln Continentals had lots of styling, were body on frame and were very long.

Actually the '58-'60 Lincolns & Continentals (the original Marks III, IV & V) all featured unitized construction. I too was surprised about this tib-bit when I recently read that in an old article; especially given the vehicles' sizes.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I was off by a year, it was 1982 when the Town Car became a separate model. In 1982, Lincoln brought out a smaller, mid-size Continental based on the Fox platform and the large Lincoln were all called Town Cars from that year onward.

Actually, all the full-sized Lincolns were named Town Cars for 1981. Lincoln might've originally planned to roll out the Fox-based Continental then but delayed it a year.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
In 2003, there was a minor reskin that sharpened the edges a bit that made a world of difference in terms of appearance.

IMHO, Lincoln didn't go far enough with that reskin. As much as I still liked the character and attributes of the Town Car; the '03 reskin still did not regain back any of the interior room and trunk space sacrificed from the '98 redo. Back then, the Lincoln indeed had MORE room than its Crown Vic/Grand Marquis cousins.
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Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
A twin turbo V6 is going to give easily as much power as a V8 but with better economy.




You are right, but when you think of a big Cadillac Flagship, they always been V8 powered, and even years and years ago, Cadillac built V-16 powered cars, so it is hard for some Cadillac fans to get used to a V-6 powered Cadillac flagship.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 13):
It was the last real American car; full frame, RWD, solid rear axle. They way car should be built!




I think Ford should have worked on a new large RWD phatform for a new Lincoln Towncar or Ford Crown Victoria, instead of just dropping the models.


Why Chrysler have not entered the livery business with the 300C or SRT-8? The 300 is huge and RWD, with a very large wheel base, so I would think it would be an ideal car for livery work.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 15):
Why Chrysler have not entered the livery business with the 300C or SRT-8? The 300 is huge and RWD, with a very large wheel base, so I would think it would be an ideal car for livery work.

They are too narrow. Hip and shoulder room is limited compared to the Lincoln Town Car and the last Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 15):
Why Chrysler have not entered the livery business with the 300C or SRT-8? The 300 is huge and RWD, with a very large wheel base, so I would think it would be an ideal car for livery work.


They are too narrow. Hip and shoulder room is limited compared to the Lincoln Town Car and the last Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham.

The 300's trunk is also a bit skimpy for a full-size car.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 15):
Cadillac built V-16 powered cars

That was many many decades ago, fyi BMW designed the RR Phantom around a V16 but due to market concerns it was downgraded to a V12. Although there is a rumour that you can buy a V16 Phantom if you have the right connections anhd enough money, and of course the Phanton Coupe used in Johnny English is a V16.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 15):
I think Ford should have worked on a new large RWD phatform for a new Lincoln Towncar or Ford Crown Victoria, instead of just dropping the models.

I think if Ford thought that there was money in building a large RWD sedan they would have replaced the Town Car/Crown Vic with a new model years ago, I think the only reason why they didn't kill off the panther cars years ago was that all the tooling was paid for and they were cheap to make. The only large RWD sedan in Fords range today is the Aussie Falcon, the next generation of this car is going to be FWD/AWD, the market for large non premium RWD sedan/wagons is very small.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):

A twin turbo V6 is going to give easily as much power as a V8 but with better economy.

But a car like that should have a V-16 and should follow in the footsteps if these classics (with appropriate upgrades). A V-6 sounds like you are going backwards, regardless if it made 1,000 horsepower.



Oh yeah, BTW, they should call it the Eldorado. 'Ciel' (meaning 'sky') sounds like the kind of name a Korean manufacturer would give its cars. It doesn't mean squat. The name Eldorado is full of romanticism and history, both automotive and otherwise.
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:27 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
But a car like that should have a V-16 and should follow in the footsteps if these classics

If BMW can't make a case for a V16 Rolls Royce do you really think there is a market for a V16 Cadillac? It looks like the V12 is going to be dumped in the next gen S Class, which means BMW will probably follow, Jag dropped there V12 some years ago.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 17):
The 300's trunk is also a bit skimpy for a full-size car.

In 2006, Daimler-Chrysler circulated this huge Chrysler Imperial concept sedan at various Auto Shows in North America, It had a 5.7 liter Hemi V-8 engine, a 123 inch wheelbase, fully independent suspension, 214 inch overall length (!!), rear-wheel drive, and Lincoln-ish "suicide" doors.

While there was quite a bit of interest in this concept by the public, Daimler's pending divorce from Chrysler killed the Imperial project.


Chrysler Imperial concept


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Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
I agree. The styling looks awkward and unbalance.

Part of it is that the Art and Science style really only works well on RWD cars. The different proportions of the XTS don't do it any favors.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 7):
I'll say it again the damn thing looks like a hippo sized Ford Taurus. I wish the car designers would finally get away from the jelly bean styling.

The last Town Car went back to the overturned bathtub style started with early 1990s Caprices. It wasn't a great look, but not the worst either.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9):
Remember that the real purpose of the XTS is to give (usually older) buyers of the ancient DTS front-drive sedan something to buy.

The DTS was supposed to be the same for the DeVille, and here we are with another interim model for the geriatric crowd. I'll believe it when I see it.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
A twin turbo V6 is going to give easily as much power as a V8 but with better economy.

Considering that this is to be a Cadillac flagship, they need to go with a V8 with the same fuel economy and more power.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 21):
In 2006, Daimler-Chrysler circulated this huge Chrysler Imperial concept sedan at various Auto Shows in North America, It had a 5.7 liter Hemi V-8 engine, a 123 inch wheelbase, fully independent suspension, 214 inch overall length (!!), rear-wheel drive, and Lincoln-ish "suicide" doors.

I like the look of that concept car! Though I personally not a fan of big RWD cars I feel they still have a place on the American road. And this concept along with that never built Lincoln 4 door with the "suicide doors" demonstrate there is plenty of cool looking style left in our designers.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 13):
You have no taste....

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The window treatment and the round factor still hark back to the Taurus design though the Taurus was FWD and this was RWD.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 13):
It was the last real American car; full frame, RWD, solid rear axle. They way car should be built!

But it should have been radically restyled. True the platform was time tested and popular but one thing the domestic car industry was known for and that was diversity when it came to styling. The frame and hardware may have been the same but at least the cover on these books were freshened and modernized unlike this hippo design.
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Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:33 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 21):
While there was quite a bit of interest in this concept by the public, Daimler's pending divorce from Chrysler killed the Imperial project.

Looks like a Chinese RR Phantom knockoff, IMO.
 
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Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:36 pm

This is going to make a "great" livery car.   Went over the XTS at the Boston auto show and what a joke this is. If Caddy thinks this will make a fleet car they're dreaming. At least the MKS has a decent back seat.

There's a reason fleet owners are scraping up whatever low mile DTS and TC's they can find. Hell, I know a guy who was offered 30k for his two Fleetwood 6 doors.
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Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9):
true flagship sedan, perhaps looking somewhat like this concept!!!

Now THAT'S more like it.
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