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Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:09 pm

This is in Pennsylvania and sets a very bad precedent. We can not disregard our own laws for this kind of nonsense.

There needs to be a change on how Judges get their jobs and a way to get rid on the bad ones.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...lectures-atheist-on-joys-of-islam/
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:35 pm

Can he appeal? Such a ruling would simply be impossible in Germany, Judges are independent but even if, the higher court would over rule this biased stuff.

Religion is a private matter, no one cannot be forced to believe in other peoples religion or follow their rules and a defendant who claims that he does not know that attacking people is unlawful in civilized countries should be sent back where he came from.

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
Can he appeal? Such a ruling would simply be impossible in Germany, Judges are independent but even if, the higher court would over rule this biased stuff.

It's no different here. Judges' rulings are subject to appeal in the US.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
This is in Pennsylvania and sets a very bad precedent. We can not disregard our own laws for this kind of nonsense.

There needs to be a change on how Judges get their jobs and a way to get rid on the bad ones.

I am looking for a better article on this. From what i have discovered, there are some fact missing on the dismissal of the Assault charges. The judge was not muslim as posted in the article.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
Such a ruling would simply be impossible in Germany,

Impossible is nothing. Unlikely yes, but then again a ruling like this was (and still is) unlikely in the U.S. as well.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting CASINTEREST (Reply 3):
I am looking for a better article on this. From what i have discovered, there are some fact missing on the dismissal of the Assault charges. The judge was not muslim as posted in the article.

The article I saw said that the judge was an Iraq veteran, and that he threw out the case because of lack of evidence (it said nothing about the defendant having confessed). It did mention that he lectured the plaintiff, though.

EDIT: Can't find the article I saw, but here's another one that disputes that the judge is Muslim, and doesn't mention the defendant as having confessed: 7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:53 pm

It should be appealed and had bloody well better be reversed.

Free speech still rules regardless of one Islamist sympathizing judge.

Sharia has entered the US judicial system.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
Religion is a private matter

...ideally "should be" a private matter, however Islam is not a religion but an ideology.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
This is in Pennsylvania and sets a very bad precedent. We can not disregard our own laws for this kind of nonsense.

There needs to be a change on how Judges get their jobs and a way to get rid on the bad ones.

If you're going to read garbage "news" sites like that you have to realize that most of the time the stories are made up. The case was dismissed because of lack of evidence, the judge is Lutheran not Muslim, and the charge was harrassment not assault.

The judge told this guy that dressing up as Mohamed probably isn't a great idea. It's good advice.

Quoting slider (Reply 6):
Sharia has entered the US judicial system.

A little over the top don't you think?

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 8):
A little over the top don't you think?

Based on the judge's own words, no.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...theist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case

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Judge Michael Martin, a self-professed Muslim ruled against Pearce, and found the defendent "not guilty." Incredibly he admonished Pearce in the courtroom, even suggesting that if he had pulled the same stunt in a Muslim country he would have been put to death:

"Having had the benefit of having spent over 2 and a half years in predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. In fact I have a copy of the Koran here... I think you misinterpreted things. Before you start mocking someone else’s religion you may want to find out a little bit more about it it makes you look like a dufus and Mr. (Defendant) is correct. In many Arabic speaking countries something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their society."

It's not nor should it be against the law HERE, yet that's how this idiot ruled. We are a rule of laws.

And, to point out again the double standard, not a SINGLE Catholic individual, church or organization made any protest when the guy dressed in a Pope costume. But say, do or act in ANY manner that is offensive to Islam, and you face criminal consequence now...ridiculous!!!
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
Can he appeal? Such a ruling would simply be impossible in Germany, Judges are independent but even if, the higher court would over rule this biased stuff.
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 4):
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
Such a ruling would simply be impossible in Germany,

Impossible is nothing. Unlikely yes, but then again a ruling like this was (and still is) unlikely in the U.S. as well.

If it was such a very biased verdict, it could even be a case of Rechtsbeugung (Perverting the course of justice), which is felony over here.

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
EDIT: Can't find the article I saw, but here's another one that disputes that the judge is Muslim, and doesn't mention the defendant as having confessed:

I found one .
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...e_what_really_happened_113293.html

Judge is not a muslim
Case was dismissed for lack of evidence.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting CASINTEREST (Reply 11):
Judge is not a muslim

Whether he is or isn't--at least publicly--is really irrelevant and is a red herring. The fact is the judge lectured Perce for 6 minutes about being 'disrespectful' but not ONE word was said to Elboyomy about HIS actions, which WAS a violation of law.

Quote:
The judge added, “I think our forefathers intended to use the First Amendment so we can speak with our mind, not to p— off other people and cultures – which is what you did.”

Well, the great thing about this country and our nearly sacred freedom of speech is that we have the right to piss other people off with what we say. I may disagree with it, but his right to say it is inviolable.

And even worse, the victim, Ernest Perce, has received 471 verifiable threats. Although Perce never released any personal information on Judge Martin or Elbayomy, they released his, and now he has gotten threats at his home.

Nice…. STOP SHARIA IN AMERICA.
 
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
which WAS a violation of law.

Which part of not enough evidence do you not comprehend?

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
STOP SHARIA IN AMERICA.

WTF does this have to do with anything above. Did you read any articles, or just jump in for the islam bashing?
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting CASINTEREST (Reply 13):
Which part of not enough evidence do you not comprehend?

  

Quoting CASINTEREST (Reply 13):
WTF does this have to do with anything above. Did you read any articles, or just jump in for the islam bashing?

Islam bashing at it best, nothing new here.

I wonder why nobody accused those people

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
ttp://theconservativetreehouse.com/...lectures-atheist-on-joys-of-islam/

of biased reporting, changing facts and lying?


Whenever i read some of the postings bashing Islam i remember the movie The Russian are coming, i suggest another movie for this day and age ( The Sharia is coming)  biggrin 

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 14):
Islam bashing at it best, nothing new here.

Well, not quite. From CASINTEREST's article:

With such conflicting testimony, Martin's decision to dismiss the case is entirely reasonable. The way in which he used his position as a bully pulpit is another story.

It is not unusual for judges to admonish the parties in a case, sometimes harshly, about their conduct. In this instance, though, the lecture was startlingly one-sided. Martin lambasted Perce for his disrespect for other people's culture and faith while not one critical word was spoken to Elbayomy.

There is nothing wrong with telling someone that just because he has a constitutional right to say something doesn't mean he should say it (which Martin told me was his point). Yet there is something inherently disturbing about a public official chastising a citizen for engaging in constitutionally protected expression, however obnoxious. It is especially troubling when it's a matter of criticizing or even lampooning religion, an area in which free speech has so often been trampled.

Meanwhile, Martin had before him a defendant who, by his own and his lawyer's admission, was grossly ignorant of the protections for free speech in America. Surely, a lecture on civics would not have been amiss.


I'm in complete agreement here. Whether he was guilty or not is one thing - I wasn't there, I can't say. But the judge was clearly showing preferential treatment to the defendant in saying that people should watch what they say about Islam to muslims because it's a very important subject to them, while saying nothing to the defendant about what freedom of speech actually means. And that's not right. It's not Sharia law, but it still shouldn't have happened.

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting CASINTEREST (Reply 13):
WTF does this have to do with anything above. Did you read any articles, or just jump in for the islam bashing?
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 14):
Islam bashing at it best, nothing new here.

Please try to pay attention to the facts....

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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
Whether he is or isn't--at least publicly

So you think he's a secret muslim just because he said to the guy that the First Amendment's purpose is not to piss people off? Do you realize how irrational that makes you sound? I would tell him the same thing- does that make me a muslim?

Quoting slider (Reply 9):
It's not nor should it be against the law HERE, yet that's how this idiot ruled.

He dismissed the case due to lack of evidence. But in seems you're not interested in the actual facts of the case- you just want to construct your own narrative to bolster your prejudices.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 16):
Please try to pay attention to the facts....

Yeh as if it is not the first time.
Fact the judge is not a Muslim
Fact the judge dismissed the case for lack of evidence
Fact the conservative tree house did a bias reporting
Fact you do bash Islam every time Islam is discussed

Did i pay attention to the facts?
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
Nice…. STOP SHARIA IN AMERICA.

VERY over the top - and the United States judical system is NOT based on sharia law - remember the seperation of church and state in the US Constitution??? Stop watching Fox News and listening to Rush   
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 17):
Quoting slider (Reply 12):
Whether he is or isn't--at least publicly

So you think he's a secret muslim just because he said to the guy that the First Amendment's purpose is not to piss people off? Do you realize how irrational that makes you sound? I would tell him the same thing- does that make me a muslim?

Wow, talk about putting words in someone's mouth.

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Whether he is or isn't--at least publicly--is really irrelevant and is a red herring.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
But the judge was clearly showing preferential treatment to the defendant in saying that people should watch what they say about Islam to muslims because it's a very important subject to them, while saying nothing to the defendant about what freedom of speech actually means. And that's not right. It's not Sharia law, but it still shouldn't have happened.

This pretty much sums up the issue. Given this, questions will arise and need to be answered. At the end of the day, he failed as a judge by not maintaining a neutral demeanor.
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Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:56 pm

Quoting homsar (Reply 20):
Wow, talk about putting words in someone's mouth.

Not really- just quoting what he said above. If he wasn't entertaining the notion that the judge's Lutheran faith is a front for his secret muslim faith, can you explain to me why he felt the need to insert the phrase "at least publicly" into his sentence? Why not just put:

"Whether he is or isn't is really irrelevant and is a red herring. "

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Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:55 am

Quoting slider (Reply 9):
Having had the benefit of having spent over 2 and a half years in predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam.

Problem is Judge, we're not in that country you spent those 2 and a half years in.

Regardless, even with the links provided, I don't think we're getting the whole story here. We're getting more sensationalism than the real story. From the media? Shocking - I know!
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:08 am

I haven't read the story in the press; (I have very little interest in the press as a general rule); I did see a photo of, and hear a little bit about the guy who started the ruckus ; all I can say about this "schmuck" is.......that he's a "schmuck" !
I have ZERO sympathy for him, regardless of what happened to him.

Now, before you get all excited and start screaming that it's "against the law" to assault people, punch them in the snot locker, kick them in the "groin", I'm Not necessarilly disagreeing with you, but on the other hand, I've already done all of the above, and at the time, I felt quite justified ! I've seen people commit murder because someone flipped them the bird !

Everyone is "uptight" every time they hear the word "Muslim"; do you really think that because there have been terrible things done by Muslims, that you should run around and insult, piss off, or attack every Muslim you see ?

Hey........I just heard that a Baptist raped a school bus full of girl scouts ! Should we run out and attack every Baptist we can find ? (I think not) I'm not "condoning" anyone's actions, or "sticking up" for anyone; I AM saying if you want to attack some one, or piss some one off, save it for the "some one" that did the deed that got you so fired up in the first place.

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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:23 am

Quoting slider (Reply 9):
Based on the judge's own words, no.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...-case

You're quoting a news source whose tagline is "News. Controversy. Opinion."...what did you expect to read?

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 21):
At the end of the day, he failed as a judge by not maintaining a neutral demeanor.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he "failed". Failure would have been if there was a miscarriage of justice, which in this case there was not. The judge simply did not carry himself with the decorum expected of a man in his position.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 22):
If he wasn't entertaining the notion that the judge's Lutheran faith is a front for his secret muslim faith, can you explain to me why he felt the need to insert the phrase "at least publicly" into his sentence? Why not just put:

"Whether he is or isn't is really irrelevant and is a red herring. "

?

  

Quoting geezer (Reply 24):
I have very little interest in the press as a general rule

Good for you. Some people (I'll even admit guilt from time to time) take things they read in the news to heart based on a single source.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:27 am

You guys are all looking at this thing from the "legal" standpoint; like a judge is supposed to, like a prosecutor is supposed to; I'm looking at it as I would, if it had been ME that was there, instead of the Muslim guy; face it........the so-called "plaintiff" is a schmuck of a guy who has a known track record of running around, deliberately antagonizing people; one day he's antagonizing Catholics, another days it's Jews, this day it was Muslims; tomorrow it will be Pentecostals; I have no use for people like that; in my book, people like that need to have their heads thumped, their butts kicked, their knuckles cracked. Had I been there, and if I was a Muslim, ( or anything else that jerk is always screwing with ), he would probably have ended up worse than he did. Hey.........the law is great.......I'm ordinarily a very law-abiding citizen; but the law can't be everywhere, all the time; there are always going to be situations where you have to DO what you have to DO !

I'll give you an example; years back, I was going nice and legal in the right lane of I-275; it was pouring down rain; as I as passing a "get-on ramp", this fool comes flying down the get-on ramp, smacks my van, takes off my right mirror, then speeds up, trying to out-run me; I chased the idiot for 15 minutes, at speeds that are crazy on a wet road; he finally got off of a ramp, and got on a dead end street; I had him blocked in; I jumped out, hotter than hell, goes rushing up, and I can see the guy is drunk on his butt, has a fancy suit on, and then he starts threatening me ! He's threatening me, after just crashing my vehicle, trying to flee the scene, and NOW he's actually threatening ME ! I don't threaten very well even now, and I'm 79; Back then, I didn't threaten AT ALL; then, he actually sticks his finger in my face ! He very quickly ended up with 3 broken fingers, and a bad nose. At that point, I had his plate number, so I got back in my car and drove off; went home, called the cops, told them my side of what happened; they went straight to his house, cuffed him, and threw his sorry butt in the slammer. A few days go by, I got a call.......from HIS lawyer ! He's gonna SUE me! I didn't get a lawyer, but I did get a hair cut and a new suit; showed up in court, his lawyer says I'm some kind of ninja like guy, bunch of horse puckey.......the judge asks me if I'm a karate guy, and I says......No your honor, I'm just an average working guy, with 5 kids to raise, a good job, I don't drink or smoke, I just work, and I DO tend to get mad as hell when some irresponsible Schmuck tries to drive drunk, hit and run my car, then sticks his finger in my face, and tries to assault ME, when HE's Inebriated; the judge said......."obviously this clean cut young man is just a hard working citizen..........throw the plaintiff back in jail !

Granted, I was fortunate; there ARE a few good traffic court judges; I lucked out and got a good one.

My thinking is, if you're healthy, if you want to stay healthy, don't "mess" with people; if you do, sooner or later it's apt to make you unhealthy.

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Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:39 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 7):
.ideally "should be" a private matter, however Islam is not a religion but an ideology.

"should" or "is" - no one should force his / her religious beliefs on other people. If muslims do not want to paint a picture of Mohammed, that's fine for them. But they have to tolerate if others do.

The Amish or the Hutterer do not want to paint pictures of people, that has to be respected. But they turn around if some disrespectful tourists photograph them, they don't beat them up and certainly don't kill others.

Sure islam is an ideology, like communism and other totalitarian .ideologies. The catholic church has, some centuries ago, very similar. Martin Luther has started to change that. Guess what islam needs.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:09 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 7):
ideally "should be" a private matter, however Islam is not a religion but an ideology

Over one billion person do not agree with this statement.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:30 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 29):
Over one billion person do not agree with this statement.

Islam is a good religion. Muslims are good people. It is the deviants, those who are misinterpreting the scripture, who are causing the problems, like in every other religion.
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 30):
Islam is a good religion. Muslims are good people. It is the deviants, those who are misinterpreting the scripture, who are causing the problems, like in every other religion.

  
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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 31):
Merci MadameConcorde

I am speaking from personal experience. I really mean what I said in my post.
I have always felt most welcome in Musliim countries every time I visited. The UAE, Bahrain, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, and others. I got to meet some of the best and nicest people imaginable.

     

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Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:20 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 32):
I have always felt most welcome in Muslim countries every time I visited.

Yeah, just don't take a misstep...the consequences can be much more dire than in most other places.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:30 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 29):
Quoting iakobos (Reply 7):
ideally "should be" a private matter, however Islam is not a religion but an ideology

Over one billion person do not agree with this statement.

And over six billions would agree...
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:04 pm

Muslims remind me of the Italian-American with a cousin in the Mafia.

He doesn't approve of his cousin's career choice and behaviour, but sometimes it's useful to let other people know about that cousin and how he's related.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 34):
And over six billions would agree

And six billion undecided that will make the earth population 13 billion. find your statement unreal and bordering on ignorance.
Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 33):
Yeah, just don't take a misstep...the consequences can be much more dire than in most other places.

You go to a country you respect the rules. Easy. No? otherwise don't bother to travel.

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 35):
Muslims remind me of the Italian-American with a cousin in the Mafia.

That's much better than the Russian Mafia?   

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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 36):
So the earth population is 7 billion?

If you trust Wikipedia it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 37):
If you trust Wikipedia it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

But i could find nowhere that 6 billion people believe Islam is an ideology not a religion
Quoting wikipedia
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Quoting iakobos (Reply 34):
And over six billions would agree...

Oh really? Well make that 6 billion minus 1.

Islam is a "good" religion (quotations used because I don't like the idea of ANY organized religion) and like any religion, it has its small population that go astray as Madame correctly indicated above.

To even suggest to know what 6 billion people agree or disagree with speaks volumes to one's grip with reality.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 36):
You go to a country you respect the rules. Easy. No? otherwise don't bother to travel.

Agreed. When I travel I go out of my way to respect local customs and culture, and I have never once had an incident.

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 35):
Muslims remind me of the Italian-American with a cousin in the Mafia.

He doesn't approve of his cousin's career choice and behaviour, but sometimes it's useful to let other people know about that cousin and how he's related.

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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:57 pm

Ah, another day, another example of radical Islamism in the news.

http://www.thelocal.fr/2685/20120227/

A Tunisian Islamist tries to set his 23 year old daughter on fire. For becoming "too Westernized"....
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 40):
another example of radical Islamism in the news.

You said it (radical) never denied they do exist but not all Muslims are.
Let me make one thing very clear, in our area of the world honor, reputation, shame, virtue, virginity are things taken seriously not only by Muslims but by Christians in areas in Egypt, Syria, Algeria, Tunis etc.. it is not just religious beliefs but customs and culture.
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 16):
Please try to pay attention to the facts....

I am payting attention to the facts. You are introducing paranoia into this discussion.

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):

I'm in complete agreement here. Whether he was guilty or not is one thing - I wasn't there, I can't say. But the judge was clearly showing preferential treatment to the defendant in saying that people should watch what they say about Islam to muslims because it's a very important subject to them, while saying nothing to the defendant about what freedom of speech actually means. And that's not right. It's not Sharia law, but it still shouldn't have happened.

Free Speech is one thing ,but I am getting the impression from all of this that while the defendent in the assault was humble and apologetic, the "zombie Mohammad" was a bit more ignorant or adrift of the insults he was hurling. I think the judge was correct to point out how offensive he was being in this situation, and rightly or wrongly pointing out that ,yes in another country he could and probably would be killed for what here passes as free speech.

Either way, no charges, and we get a bunch of blowhards turning it into something it wasn't.
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 41):


The incident that slider referred to is not radical or extremism. That was an "every day" Muslim trying to control someone.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 41):
Let me make one thing very clear, in our area of the world honor, reputation, shame, virtue, virginity are things taken seriously not only by Muslims but by Christians


Sure, those very words are taken seriously here as well but I would not try to light my daughter on fire if she wanted to do something that I did not agree with (I and my family are christian, by the way). I get tired of that same "extremist or radical" defense because it is not always the case.
 
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 43):
The incident that slider referred to is not radical or extremism.
Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 43):
Sure, those very words are taken seriously here as well but I would not try to light my daughter on fire if she wanted to do something that I did not agree with

Having traveled extensively in many Muslim countries and spoken to many people I can assure you this guy was unusual. It's not unheard of, but it is rare. I've known many Muslims and non-Muslims who have been angry with their daughters, but there's a big step up from that to setting them alight and it has nothing to do with religion.

Assuming this account is accurate I consider one of two possibilities- either this guy is severely mentally ill, in which case he should be institutionalized, or he is an evil criminal who should be in prison for a long time.

Blaming it on Islam rather than face the uglier truth that some people are just terrible human beings seems to me to be almost an excuse- a get out clause which absolves him of his crimes: "Blame the religion, not the poor chap who got caught up in it".
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
It did mention that he lectured the plaintiff, though.

If nothing happened, what was the lecture about ?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 36):
You go to a country you respect the rules. Easy. No? otherwise don't bother to travel.

Well, that's exactly what the Muslim guy in the story didn't do, had you followed. Apparently he was apologetic so I won't be too harsh with him or wish he got a sanction.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 38):
But i could find nowhere that 6 billion people believe Islam is an ideology not a religion

I don't know about other people, but I think every religion is an ideology, those are not exclusive. Never heard a religion saying that any other was right.

Quoting slider (Reply 40):
Ah, another day, another example of radical Islamism in the news.

http://www.thelocal.fr/2685/20120227/

A Tunisian Islamist tries to set his 23 year old daughter on fire. For becoming "too Westernized"....

Doesn't Islamism already mean "radical Islam" ? Anyway, I just read about that in the paper, I used to live in that exact street. Lots of Jews there, and a great street life. Expensive as hell, though.
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 45):
I don't know about other people, but I think every religion is an ideology

If you feel like calling all religions ideology that is your choice. I will not accept people who single one religion from all others and call it an ideology.
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:26 am

This crap just smacks of the same sorts of smears against Jews that ran in German papers in the '30's.
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:44 am

Even if half the facts presented in that story are true, the behavior of that judge is unexcusable and he should be impeached and made to stand trial for subverting the U.S. justice system.

Quoting slider (Reply 6):
Sharia has entered the US judicial system.

And yet some people react all insulted when some states want to specifically ban it from being used in courts of law, saying it is not needed.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 29):

Over one billion person do not agree with this statement.

Oh, really? So you are telling me all 1 billion people that live in muslim-dominated countries are muslim and think the same way? When all muslim countries allow freedom of religion and do not sentence people to prison and/or death for switching religions / becoming atheists I will believe the 1 billion people number (not that everyone would think the same), until then your numbers are total baloney.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 36):

You go to a country you respect the rules. Easy. No?

Oh, you mean like the guy who assaulted that person clearly did not?
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RE: Muslim Admits To Attacking Atheist

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 48):
Even if half the facts presented in that story are true, the behavior of that judge is unexcusable and he should be impeached and made to stand trial for subverting the U.S. justice system.

Yeah, about 10% are, so actually the story is a COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE other than the names.

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