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Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:20 am

2013 Mazda 6 Sedan (concept)


The rather old and poor-selling Mazda6 is finally being replaced with a sexy next-generation sedan. All next-generation Mazda6 sedans sold in North America will be produced at a Mazda plant in Japan, as Mazda has ended its involvement with Ford at the "AutoAlliance" plant in Michigan, and is looking to sell its portion of the Michigan assembly plant. Furthermore, Ford itself has sold off almost all of its financial stake in Mazda in recent years as Ford is clearly focused on pursuing its "One Ford" world car-platform strategy (Focus, Fiesta, Fusion/Mondeo, et al)

The concept version of the new Mazda6 sedan (called the "Takeri" at the upcoming Geneva auto show) features a unique powertrain consisting of a "SkyActiv-D" clean diesel engine (the 175-horsepower, 309 pound-feet torque, 2.2-liter turbodiesel shared with the Mazda CX crossover family) with start-stop technology and the automaker's SkyActiv suite of chassis-weight-reduction and aerodynamic tweaks to boost the vehicle's fuel efficiency. Those tweaks include a new regenerative braking system called i-Eloop - a first for Mazda. This motor is mated to a specialized six-speed automatic transmission.

The new Mazda6 is due to be launched as a 2013 model - and will still likely be known as the Mazda Atenza in its home market.

Source: http://www.carsuk.net/mazda-takeri-c...w-mazda6-european-debut-at-geneva/

[Edited 2012-03-02 21:23:37]
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:46 pm

It is a shame that the next gen Mazda 6 will not be assembled in the USA. Since about 1988, the 6 and it's predecessor the 626 (along with the 2 generations of the related MX-6 and Ford Probe) have been made in Flat Rock, MI which has also been making the Mustang for a number of years. Because it is a modern, flex floor plant adjacent to major roads and RR's between Detroit and Toledo, I suspect some other Ford models may be made there. By the way, I have a 2006 Mazda 6 and it has been a good solid runner.

From it's appearance, it seems to be going for the mid-premium market just below the Infiinity/Acura/Lexus and above Honda/Toyota. It also has the bulbous nose to meet the EC pedestrian injury reduction standards.
 
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:29 pm

Is it me or does that car look a lot like the Dodge Dart you pictured here recently:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/60247/phpVkXWux.jpeg

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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The rather old and poor-selling Mazda6 is finally being replaced with a sexy next-generation sedan.

Good move.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
All next-generation Mazda6 sedans sold in North America will be produced at a Mazda plant in Japan, as Mazda has ended its involvement with Ford at the "AutoAlliance" plant in Michigan, and is looking to sell its portion of the Michigan assembly plant. Furthermore, Ford itself has sold off almost all of its financial stake in Mazda in recent years as Ford is clearly focused on pursuing its "One Ford" world car-platform strategy (Focus, Fiesta, Fusion/Mondeo, et al)

I didn't know the One Ford strategy also meant spooling down partnerships.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
It is a shame that the next gen Mazda 6 will not be assembled in the USA. Since about 1988, the 6 and it's predecessor the 626 (along with the 2 generations of the related MX-6 and Ford Probe) have been made in Flat Rock, MI which has also been making the Mustang for a number of years.

I bought a '90 626 in Oct 89 and it's stickers all said "Made in Japan". I forget exactly where the assembly plant was, but it was named, and it was in Japan.

Wikipedia clears this up:

Quote:

The 626 was updated in 1987 for the 1988 model year. Now on the GD platform as used by the Capella, it was available as a sedan, Station Wagon (Estate) and five-door hatchback while the coup� was renamed MX-6 for the North American market. The MX-6 was built in Michigan alongside its platform-mate, the Ford Probe at AutoAlliance International, while the 626 was still a Japanese import.

So, it seems we were both on target. The 626 was made in Flint Rock starting in 1993.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
Because it is a modern, flex floor plant adjacent to major roads and RR's between Detroit and Toledo, I suspect some other Ford models may be made there.

Seems at some point they will have to be buying out Mazda's stake, or coming to some agreement about rent.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 1):
By the way, I have a 2006 Mazda 6 and it has been a good solid runner.

I kept that '90 626 on the road for 10 years, and a friend kept it running for another 10. Body rot finally did it in, the rest of the systems were still going strong.

It was great mechanically, but I must say it had more road noise than some of its direct competition.

I've used a Mazda 6 recently, and found as a tall man I could not get comfortable in it. Seems it had just 1 or 2 inches less legroom than the predecessor did, just enough to make sure I had to keep my legs at an awkward bend.
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:46 pm

My wife had a '93 MX-3 until last year when she sold it to a guy who puts aver 100 highway miles on it every day.

That car may get 30 years on it before being towed to the junk yard.

Her MX-3 was shifted between us as it wasn't a greg car to carry two grandkids around.

As for this new Mazda6 replacement, I would be pretty interested if it has decent pricing. I'm at an age where I compare prices to the early years of our marriage. My 68 BMW 2002 was $3,250 and my wife's Corolla was $1,700+. That comparison makes me realize that the money we have is going to shrink through inflation, especially with the pathetic interest that can be earned (by consumers, banks are doing rally well).

That means I can look at a used one in about 2 years.
 
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:16 pm

Really interested in the future SkyActiv engines. My Mazda3 with the 2.5 and 6-spd stick is a lot of fun, but the Mazda6 I drove in NZ with the same engine and 5A was not fond of mountains. I think it looks hot and I'm interested to see what the grill going into the headlights will look like in person.
 
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:53 pm

Yep that doesn't at all look like an Audi ...   
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):
I kept that '90 626 on the road for 10 years, and a friend kept it running for another 10. Body rot finally did it in, the rest of the systems were still going strong

I had a 2001 Mazda 626 LX sedan, which was a uber-comfortable long-distance highway cruiser. Unfortunately, it had the dreaded Ford automatic transmission from the Ford Contour and Mercury Cougar.

The source of the problem is that Mazda built the 626 with a Ford transmission (CD4E) that was actually meant for a MUCH smaller and lighter vehicle. Quite simply, the Mazda 626 was too heavy for the type of transmission installed. Thus, as these Mazda 626s were exposed to extensive highway driving (which is all we have here in Arizona and in Southern California), and the transmissions began to overheat, and would eventually fail - completely ruining the damn transmission. Mazda should have installed a transmission fluid cooler on the 626 with this transmission, but cut corners and saved a few bucks in manufacturing costs. My Mazda 626 got traded in on a new VW Jetta (after the 626s transmission grenaded itself), but that's a whole different nightmare.....   
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 7):
I had a 2001 Mazda 626 LX sedan, which was a uber-comfortable long-distance highway cruiser.

Yes, I'd say that describes mine as well.

I had bought the hatchback, which made it a very practical car for hauling a fair amount of stuff around.

Near the end of its 20 year run, my friend had a big analog TV in the hatch, and he slammed the hatch. It was dark and the TV had slid down, so he shattered the glass. He called his insurance company and they said they'd cover it. To make a long story short, he had to wait 6 months or so for the next time the factory made a batch of them! They hadn't made them since the 90 model year (IIRC) so they didn't bother keeping them in stock, none were to be found in junkyards, and they were a single-piece bubble shape. I'm sure that piece of glass cost more than the car was worth!

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 7):
Unfortunately, it had the dreaded Ford automatic transmission from the Ford Contour and Mercury Cougar.

I dodged that bullet too: I had the 5speed manual, which was quite slick.

Wiki echos your comments:

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Though the 626's manual transmission was highly regarded,[3] 4-cylinder 626s from 1994 onwards used the Ford CD4E automatic transmission (designated by Mazda as LA4A-EL), which was an attempt to solve some of the 1993's transmission related issues.

It wasn't until a few years later that the 1994 to 1997 CD4E became known for their extremely high failure rate, making the change to the CD4E an irrelevant one. It is widely known to transmission specialists that the CD4E overheats due to a poorly designed valve body and torque converter. Mazda issued a couple of Technical Service Bulletins (0400502, 01598, 003/97K, 006/95) regarding the transmission and torque converter. Dealerships were briefly instructed to install an external transmission cooler, but at cost to the owner and only if requested. No recall was ever issued for a single year of the CD4E, causing a loss of confidence from the general public in years to come.
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:22 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The rather old and poor-selling Mazda6 is finally being replaced with a sexy next-generation sedan.

Better looking than the last one, but not too original. Looks like the bastard child of an Audi and a Jaguar XF. The pronounced front fenders give it almost a 1940s retro look.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
My 68 BMW 2002 was $3,250 and my wife's Corolla was $1,700+. That comparison makes me realize that the money we have is going to shrink through inflation,

That would grade out to about $20,000 in 2010 for the BMW. Now a $20,000 car in 2010 is going to be able to run rings around pretty much any car from 1968. That money bought you a car with 130 horsepower that would lose a drag race with modern subcompacts and without ABS, stability control, airbags, and a lot of creature comforts.

The original Corvette cost about $3000 in 1953, which corresponds to the mid to high $30,000 range now. 150 ponies (a bit over a third of what a modern Camaro SS will deliver) many of which got sapped by the two speed transmission on the way to an 11 second 0-60 time. But that's not as bad as it sounds considering that contemporary Porsches were kicking ass with only 70 horsepower. Of course a modern Nissan 370Z that can run the 1/4 mile faster than even the vaunted Plymouth Hemi Cuda could be had at a similar relative price point.

Old cars are cool, don't get me wrong, but you cannot seriously make the case that you aren't getting a better deal these days. Even mundane modern cars could dominate performance cars from a few decades ago.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:58 am

Looks good. Mazda6 is one of those cars where the redesign of the last few years didn't do it justice.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:14 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 7):
I had a 2001 Mazda 626 LX sedan, which was a uber-comfortable long-distance highway cruiser. Unfortunately, it had the dreaded Ford automatic transmission from the Ford Contour and Mercury Cougar.

I have a 2001 626LX and it is still a champ. Very low mx cost, even though maintained per the Mazda schedule (not at a dealer, though, private garage). Replaced one wheel bearing and the sway bar bushings and that's about it aside from the usual filter etc. I don't drive aggressively, so I get >40mpg on the highway, but I have the 5spd. Has about 130,000 miles and still lots of life left, but I think next year I will be looking something new, and the new Mazda6 will be a candidate.

Had a 1988 MX-6 as well, prior to the 626. Lots of fun to drive. Lots of problems with the tranny seal, though.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):

I remember in 1998 when Car and Driver did a midsize sedan competition and compared the Camry, Bonneville, 626, Accord, etc...

I still remember to this day what they said about the 626:
Highs: none
lows: none
verdict: good value for the money (or something like that.)
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
I still remember to this day what they said about the 626:
Highs: none
lows: none
verdict: good value for the money (or something like that.)

I'd agree with that. I'm not a car nut, never was. But we live in a society built around the car, we spend lots of time in them. So, IMHO, they need to be a) reliable, b) comfortable, c) economical. The 626 wins on those points.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:04 pm

I really, really hope a Mazdspeed version of this car comes out! The Speed6 moniker was sorely missed in the last generation!!

This think looks brilliant. It's sexy as hell, and the new design language should transfer well to Mazda's other designs (the 2013 CX-5 is one of the best looking small SUVs out there, I think).

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:07 pm

I have a first gen Mazda 6i. Great car!

But the second gen brought shame and scorn from us first gen owners. It's just too heavy, too big and most importantly, it just doesn't look very good..

I hope the redesign will bring the 6 back to it's prime.  
I also want to see how a turbo diesel will play out. I personally think it's a really neat direction! Think about that mountain of torque!
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RE: Mazda To Introduce An All New Mazda6 Sedan

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 7):
The source of the problem is that Mazda built the 626 with a Ford transmission (CD4E) that was actually meant for a MUCH smaller and lighter vehicle. Quite simply, the Mazda 626 was too heavy for the type of transmission installed.

Back in the day when I had my 1995 Caprice Police Package (that I bought new, "undercover package, black, no spots, cloth seats and carpet, long story), one of my vendors who serviced my store once a week had a 1994 or 95 626 that he thought could out run me. (really, you're going to out run an LT1? Ok. Lets go....) While I will say I was surprised he stayed close, I toasted him in the end (left him around 120mph as I pulled away and slowed her down almost touching 150). The next week when he as at the store he was in a rental and his head was bowing down. The day after "the race," his tranny went south. Man I miss that Caprice.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:58 pm

Heck.. now that I think about it, it might have been a 929 instead of a 626. Either way, it was an expensive race for him.
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:58 pm

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Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 18):

My 6 is the exact same color! When I first bought it, it looked exactly the same as yours. Except mine had the awful chrome "mustache" grille.

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