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Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:39 am

Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17248737

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In comments on his radio show earlier this week, Mr Limbaugh suggested Sandra Fluke's testimony to a US congressional committee made her "a prostitute".

In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

In his apology Mr Limbaugh said that he was attempting to be "humorous" in expressing his opposition to the ruling.

Riiiiight, Rush, it's humorous to call a young woman a sl^t.

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Limbaugh's earlier comments about Ms Fluke caused widespread controversy.

"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan [sic] Fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex," he said.

"It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."

Still not seeing the humor, Rush.

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After criticism of his initial remarks, Mr Limbaugh had at first refused to back down.

"If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch," he said on Thursday.

Still not seeing the humor, Rush.

Feel free to point it out, Rush fans.

Funny, all I see is a personal attack.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:56 am

While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid, like your house burning down, a car accident, or getting sick. The only reason that it was/is considered is one more giveaway, where some people get free shit in return for their votes.
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RE: Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names

Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:08 am

Here, car insurers pay for "driving in difficult conditions" courses because they estimate it avoids big expenses. The basis of any health insurance system is prevention, regular health checks, screening campaigns, etc. All of those to avoid big expenses (and all of those free, here).

Paying for contraception avoids expenses, too.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:10 am

I'm sure it was a thoroughly sincere, heartfelt apology.

  

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

IIRC the gist of the lady's testimony was that there are medical conditions treated by some contraceptives. A friend of hers couldn't afford the pills and ended upping an ovary removed. My bet is the costs of the surgery was far ore than a life time of the appropriate pill.

And, as I learned this week, there are over a million taking a contraceptive for a medical condition and not as a contraceptive.

Maybe we shouldn't get so obsessed with the word "contraceptive". It is a medication and some versions have other benefits. I would consider a requirement for insurance companies to provide them as part of their policies to be an intelligent approach to an issue that should have been resolved when I was a teenager.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

Really? Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:22 am

I can hardly stand listening to Rush, yet I when I saw a video of the incident I laughed.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid

Hmm. Not that this should come as any revelation but my medical insurance has me go in for checks yearly. They are not big expenses but the insurance company has figured out that paying that small charge to find things in the early stages is a lot cheaper than letting it linger until it gets big and expensive. So they pay for a lot of examinations and tests that come back telling people they are fine and it is still a win for them.

How much contraception can they "give out" and still come out cheaper than paying for everything related to an unplanned pregnancy?

Including contraception is smart business. Only problem is political ideology.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

I'm amazed you could find some sort of point underneath all those incredible attacks.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid, like your house burning down, a car accident, or getting sick. The only reason that it was/is considered is one more giveaway, where some people get free shit in return for their votes.

Funny, in my last hospital visit, my insurance paid for aspirin. Granted they paid $200 for two pills, but that's a different topic....
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:10 am

He still said the offensive remarks. That is forever on the Internet and in print. The woman he attacked with words will have these words connected to her for the rest of his life. An apology is worthless in this case. The only reason Mr. Limbaugh give any apology was as he was losing advertisers, not because of what he said and his intention to bash liberals and women.

One can disagree with the idea of insurance plans paying for or subsidising the birth control drugs. However what Rush and other of his ilk are doing are interfering with well established privacy laws and patient - doctor confidentiality. He should know a little bit about that from his well known pain killer addiction problem, where he doctor shopped and one doctor has a criminal records from that help as well as his serious deafness problem in both ears where he has implants.

In the end, I hope he faces a fate much like Glenn Beck did when he went too far and is no longer on the public airways and only on the Internet.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:30 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

"Over the top"?

If you have, or ever have, a daughter, I think you should pray that she is never subjected to such foul-mouthed publicly stated vitriol.

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:35 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?

I was hoping you would chime in with medical conditions that would include big, un-understandable meanings for the general public. It tends to remind us laymen that there are a lot of conditions we have no hope in understanding, much less how to treat them.

The other obvious question is the costs of treatments for some of these conditions. Is the contraceptive approach cost effective? Are other options more expensive, or even available?
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:09 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):

IIRC the gist of the lady's testimony was that there are medical conditions treated by some contraceptives.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

Really? Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?

Of course, The Pill has its uses apart from contraception, and that is fine. I was talking about paying for them as contraception only. Should they pay for condoms? Gym and sports club memberships? Jogging shoes? Exercise clothing? Vitamins?

Quoting cmf (Reply 7):
Including contraception is smart business. Only problem is political ideology.

Sounds like a plain and simple bloating of the insurance industry that will simply help drive up premiums.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
I'm amazed you could find some sort of point underneath all those incredible attacks.

Well duh, it was the whole point he was talking about.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Funny, in my last hospital visit, my insurance paid for aspirin. Granted they paid $200 for two pills, but that's a different topic....

For patients not covered by health insurance, birth control pills typically cost $20 to $50 a month. If they become mandatorily covered by all health insurance, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that they will end up costing the insurance companies (and eventually all of us) $100-$200 per month in short order. It is no accident that many of the cheapest drugs are those that are bought outside of insurance coverage.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
If you have, or ever have, a daughter, I think you should pray that she is never subjected to such foul-mouthed publicly stated vitriol.

I have a daughter, and she is a lot smarter than to make such a stupid public pronouncement.
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RE: Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:22 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
I'm amazed you could find some sort of point underneath all those incredible attacks.

Well duh, it was the whole point he was talking about.

It was hard to find under all those personal attacks.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
I have a daughter, and she is a lot smarter than to make such a stupid public pronouncement.

But if she had, we should just look past some talk show host using incredibly cruel words to describe her, and try to find a point to it all....
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:32 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

In his apology Mr Limbaugh said that he was attempting to be "humorous" in expressing his opposition to the ruling.

It took him that long and that tired line is the best he could come up with? Sorry, not buying it.   

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

For starters, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than all the costs of an unplanned pregnancy. You're either going to have to pay for an abortion, or you're going to have to pay to take care of the resulting child.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid, like your house burning down, a car accident, or getting sick.

From an insurance company point of view, the whole point is to minimize the risk of those things. Thus if you can take preventive measures (such as installing smoke detectors, taking special driving courses, and giving people cheaper drugs in advance so that their diseases don't progress to the point where they need expensive procedures), it's a good idea.


May I assume then that you object to insurance covering Viagra? I haven't heard a peep from conservatives about that - why the double standard?

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:43 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):

In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

Hold on now, if he didn't mean a personal attack, what on earth DID he mean? Talk about a non-apology apology.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:46 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
In the end, I hope he faces a fate much like Glenn Beck did when he went too far and is no longer on the public airways and only on the Internet.

For the last time, Glenn Beck took himself off TV so he could start his own network and not be burdened by any type of pressure from the networks.. I don't know why people continue to ignore/forget/don't listen/understand this. He owns his own "network" now and answers to no one. Fox News was more than willing to re-sign with him. HE WALKED AWAY while having record setting numbers for his timeslot.

And further more, Fox News, and prior to that, CNN, are cable channels, NOT PUBLIC AIRWAYS. Please, do your homework. Oh, and Glenn Beck, if you haven't noticed, IS STILL on THE PUBLIC AIRWAYS. He's on the radio, with one of the countries highest listened to show. I guess you forgot that tidbit... those darn little pesky facts again getting in the way.

While Ms. Fluke did not deserve the names she was called by Limbaugh, that being said, I feel for no one who attends a $50,000 a year school and cries that they can't afford birth control. Furthermore, she knew this up front, as her choice to attend Georgetown was to change this single policy.

So please, spare me, this lady had one agenda and that was to be a political hack. And really, as bad as it is for her being called names by Limbaugh, what is more sad is that she is being played as nothing more than a political pawn for the left.

Seriously, your panties are in a wad because she was called a slut by a talk show host, but here she sits TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS about having all this sex and being too poor to pay for contraception. Really? I bet her parents are mighty proud of that one. She attends Georgetown-freakin-law-school but can't figure out that if she can't afford contraception, it's free to keep her legs closed.

Other ideas:

Condoms. $1 each, or free at most health clinics.

What about her boyfriend? Why can't he help out?

Yea, that's to hard for a 3rd year law school student to figure out. If this was my daughter I'd be climbing in the biggest hole I could find and stay there until this blows over. Cause I'd be plenty embarrassed that my daughter has just exposed to the world that she needs sex to survive school and is (a) too poor to pay for it while attending a $50K/yr school, or (b) too stupid to figure out other solutions.

She will be discarded when her 15 minutes are up. Need proof? Let's all go ask Cindy Sheehan how she's doing these days now that the left cannot have her camping out in front of the President at all hours protesting the wars.
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RE: Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names

Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:49 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

Since it was just posted on his web site and not the actual "I'm sorry" coming out of his mouth, I don't believe it.

How about he gets a one week suspention without pay? That was how the right silenced Keith Olbermann and Ed Schultz. Because the right loves free speech so much.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:53 am

What about all the people who neither go to $50,000 schools nor afford birth control? GuitrThree, you're doing the same thing Rush did, which is to focus on the person delivering the message and not the wider issue. It's a convenient tactic.

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:55 am

Well, there is a little difference between the two. Birth control pills prevent pregnancy. Viagra overcomes a medical condition to make an organ work as designed.

But that's not the question. The question is SHOULD INSURANCE COMPANIES BE MANDATED TO PAY? That's what we are forgetting here. If I own an insurance company and I don't want to pay for contraception but rather in the end pay for increased number of pregnancies and/or abortions, well, that's my choice. Stupid way of thinking, yes, but it's my company, and my choice.

If I don't want to pay for Viagra, then again that's my choice. Many people everyday face RX's that aren't paid by insurance plans. Why on earth because it's contraception should that be mandated over, lets say a certain cholesterol medicine that insurance companies don't pay for? It's their company, it's their choice.

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:08 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 21):
What about all the people who neither go to $50,000 schools nor afford birth control?GuitrThree, you're doing the same thing Rush did, which is to focus on the person delivering the message and not the wider issue.

Then don't have sex. Again, most places in this country now give condoms away for free at schools, county healthcare clinics, etc. Go to a gas station, they cost $1 each. Please. Find me someone who can't afford a $1 condom. It usually takes two people to have sex where a condom is needed, so that's 50 cents a person. If you need to have sex so bad, stand out on the street with your partner and beg for 50 cents each..

What you are falling for is the belief that people of this country are so damn poor and/or stupid to spend a dollar for a condom.

Really, think long and hard about his, no pun intended, are you really saying that the wider issue is that this country is SOOOOOO BAD off that there is such a large portion of the population out there that can't afford just $1 per condom. Really? That's what you're saying? And let's take this further, we are discussing a college student here. Again, she is going to college. She is not living on the street. She is not living in poverty. Most all colleges DO offer contraception for free. The difference here is that Georgetown is a school that declines to provide it. And let me once again remind you, she knew this before going there. Now she's up there crying about it. Bahhh-wahhh.

Spare me your doom and gloom. I'm not the one focusing on the wrong problem. You are, and that is to believe that everyone in this country is so damn bad off they can't afford to do anything without someone else paying for it.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:16 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
I was hoping you would chime in with medical conditions that would include big, un-understandable meanings for the general public. It tends to remind us laymen that there are a lot of conditions we have no hope in understanding, much less how to treat them.

And before someone says: "they should be covered for medical conditions but not for contraception," how are you going to enforce that? With prior-auths and chart reviews and a big program that will cost more money than just covering contraception? I can fraud away all day and you will never catch me because nobody but the patient and I know what actually was said in that exam room. So how about we cut the crap and cover hormonal contraceptives?

Furthermore, it constantly amazes me that the Conservatives of all people would be so anti-contraception. The people having a lot of babies tend to be poor. If you make them pay for their own contraception they won't use it and they will just go and have lots of babies, each of which will be another mouth on the welfare rolls. I'm of the opinion that hormonal contraception should be mandatory for welfare recipients, not just free. Have as many kids as you like... just pay for them yourself.

How about they put aspirin between their legs and don't screw? Well, that would be just dandy, but it will never happen. As the song says: "People are still having sex." And they will keep having sex because it feels good and they don't give a flying fig what the Pope or Rush Limbaugh or Rick Santorum has to say about it. So how about we deal with that reality instead of living in fantasy land?
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RE: Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names

Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:19 am

Well okay. Now you're at least not shooting the messenger. As much. That said, I don't see the personal responsibility argument in just sort of hoping that your partner is using birth control too.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 26):
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:05 am

Whether a kid is illegitimate or not has nothing to do with this.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 23):
Well, there is a little difference between the two. Birth control pills prevent pregnancy. Viagra overcomes a medical condition to make an organ work as designed.

Still paying for people to be able to have sex.

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:24 am

Don't worry . .. Romney is coming to help you. It will all be over soon.. Mwahahhaha

http://www.boston.com/Boston/politic.../XzJavhOtrB8eS22b8zXMhO/index.html

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has accused President Obama of attacking religious freedom because of a federal mandate requiring insurers to cover contraception. But Romney, who overhauled the Massachusetts health care system, did not change an almost identical mandate in Massachusetts

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:54 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."

I'm pretty sure that's not how the pill works.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:02 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
The only reason Mr. Limbaugh give any apology was as he was losing advertisers, not because of what he said and his intention to bash liberals and women.

   Exactly. Sponsors are bailing on him big time. It would be ironic (and enjoyable) if lack of sponsorship removed him from the air. What a creep. Calling a woman a sl*t is just about the worst thing a man could say, so he should pay for what he said. His apology is about as sincere as a used car salesman saying "this car is meant for you".
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
Well I certainly hope her school does. My university provides free condoms to all students.

I don't know what university you go to but I went to Western and there was a bowl of condoms at the entrance to the health building and most RA's and Dons had them as well.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):

Here, car insurers pay for "driving in difficult conditions" courses because they estimate it avoids big expenses. The basis of any health insurance system is prevention, regular health checks, screening campaigns, etc. All of those to avoid big expenses (and all of those free, here).

   If they can reduce the amount of big claims made they make more money. Odds are nothing will change with big insurers on much as they know it costs them less.

Where I have an issue is with a religious institution such as the catholic church says they won't cover it for their employees. They enjoy tax free status and even though they have freedom of religion which no one disputes. However the 1st ammendment gives us all freedom from religion.

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
For starters, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than all the costs of an unplanned pregnancy. You're either going to have to pay for an abortion, or you're going to have to pay to take care of the resulting child.

Yes which is why this is nothing more than pandering to religious right while ailentating 50% of the voting block, you cannot win a general election on an issue like this. I think its brilliant politics by the democrats to make the debate about things that the people have already decided.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 26):
Then don't have sex. Again, most places in this country now give condoms away for free at schools, county healthcare clinics, etc. Go to a gas station, they cost $1 each. Please.

The only case you have is "Use a Condom" unfortunately they don't always work against STI's and pregnancy as they can slip off or break which is why a lot of women want the pill as an added measure against an unwanted pregnancy.

Also we will never be able to stop people having sex and it is pointless trying so we might as well keep condoms and contraception common place. This world would be a lot better and happier if more people are getting laid.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
While Ms. Fluke did not deserve the names she was called by Limbaugh, that being said, I feel for no one who attends a $50,000 a year school and cries that they can't afford birth control. Furthermore, she knew this up front, as her choice to attend Georgetown was to change this single policy.

She was on a scholarship and therefore it makes a lot of sense that she could not afford contraception.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
So please, spare me, this lady had one agenda and that was to be a political hack. And really, as bad as it is for her being called names by Limbaugh, what is more sad is that she is being played as nothing more than a political pawn for the left.

How about women? I'm sure there are a lot of women on the right whom take similar positions to Olivia Snowe who are a little uncomfortable with the actions of the GOP men in congress, probably because they enjpy sex and . Someone like Meghan McCain is probably not to thrilled about it.
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RE: Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I have a daughter, and she is a lot smarter than to make such a stupid public pronouncement.

If you read all of the statements that come out against Rush, not one of them objects to a legitimate policy debate over whether insurance should have to pay for contraception. I personally disagree with several of her talking points. What people do object to is the use of a personal attack to completely dismiss her argument. How would you like it if your daughter made a point that you personally agreed with and was publically called a prostitute for expressing her opinion?

Again, the issue here is not whether or not you disagree about insurance covering contraception--the issue is whether you support a public commentator insulting a citizen who expressed her opinion in an orderly and civil manner. He could have taken the high road and just attacked the arguments. But Rush didn't--he chose to opt for an ad hominem attack--and the fact that he still didn't think what he said was a personal attack makes his apology completely worthless.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
While Ms. Fluke did not deserve the names she was called by Limbaugh, that being said, I feel for no one who attends a $50,000 a year school and cries that they can't afford birth control. Furthermore, she knew this up front, as her choice to attend Georgetown was to change this single policy.

When did she ever say that the only reason why she attended Georgetown was to change this single policy? And even if she did, that is well within her right. Plenty of people try to change institutions from the inside--that's an acceptable method. And just because they try to change, doesn't mean that their efforts will succeed--but there are quite a few instances of succesful efforts of insider-led change. As long as she abides by the university's rules and policies in her efforts, she's in the clear.

I'm a current law student at Georgetown, and the university and the law school has publically issued statements in her support--so even if her sole purpose was to change the institution, than the university has no problem with it.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
So please, spare me, this lady had one agenda and that was to be a political hack. And really, as bad as it is for her being called names by Limbaugh, what is more sad is that she is being played as nothing more than a political pawn for the left.

Seriously, your panties are in a wad because she was called a slut by a talk show host, but here she sits TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS about having all this sex and being too poor to pay for contraception.

I listened to her testimony, and she never once mentioned what she was doing in her private life or how frequently she was engaged in it. Her only talking points were about how expensive contraception was. It is an analogy of false equivalence to say that her being too poor to pay for contraception leads to any sort of conclusion concerning her private life.

Furthermore, people who disagree with her argument should be some of the most vociferous in opposing what Rush said--this story was on its way out of the media newscycle, but Rush single-handedly gave it a boost with his comments.
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
The people having a lot of babies tend to be poor. If you make them pay for their own contraception they won't use it and they will just go and have lots of babies, each of which will be another mouth on the welfare rolls.

And it is the party of "personal responsibility" that is now telling poor people to add to the welfare rolls!

Heterosexual married couples who can not afford the pill but still want to perform their married duties now have to risk raising children they know they can not afford. The right-wing thinks it will all just go away or the woman will "will" the child to not be created? How does that work?

Doc: You missed a chance to talk about the alternative reasons for using the pill. Some women do not use it as birth control but for releving other symptoms. All through this debate, I have heard countless women say that is the one reason they use the pill.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 20):
most places in this country now give condoms away for free at schools, county healthcare clinics, etc.

And no condom ever in the history of condoms has ever broken.

Right.

The Catholic Church hates condoms as much as they hate the pill, so that answer is out.
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I wanted to put this in a separate post because I wanted people to see it: Why is it not okay for women to *choose* to have help paying for birth control but it is just dandy for men to have ED meds paid for? So, what the right is saying is: it is okay for men to be sluts and get an erection any time they want and just bang away and for us (the tax payers) to allow them to be sluts.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Really? Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?

Nice jargon. Too bad this thread has nothing to do with the left's favorite canard, "women's health", but to whether the government should have the right to force private medical insurers to subsidize non-medical treatments (or even medical ones, for that fact).

Some women have to have mastectomies and need reconstructive breast surgery afterwards, so by your logic the government should mandate free boob jobs for every man, woman and child, no?
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Quoting seb146 (Reply 28):
Doc: You missed a chance to talk about the alternative reasons for using the pill. Some women do not use it as birth control but for releving other symptoms. All through this debate, I have heard countless women say that is the one reason they use the pill.

Um...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?

I did.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 28):
The right-wing thinks it will all just go away or the woman will "will" the child to not be created? How does that work?

No, they think that people will only have sex for the purposes of making babies if they are properly indoctrinated by the GOP.

Well that has NEVER been the case.

But let's return to the OT for a moment. Rush Limbaugh, a major representative of the conservative movement in this country (and don't start disavowing; that's exactly what he is) called a college student a "slut" because she wanted birth control.

I notice, Dreadnought, that you have not been answering my posts, probably because you know I've got you outgunned. But answer me this, what if it were YOUR daughter that he called a slut and asked for sex vids from? If it were my daughter, he'd be very lucky that I don't own any guns.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 30):
Too bad this thread has nothing to do with the left's favorite canard, "women's health", but to whether the government should have the right to force private medical insurers to subsidize non-medical treatments

No, this thread is about Limbaugh's "apology" to a law student--at least according to the thread title.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:11 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 33):

No, this thread is about Limbaugh's "apology" to a law student--at least according to the thread title.

A case of phoney manufactured outrage if there ever was one. I can't help but recognize many of the people in this thread who object to calling someone a slut having no trouble whatsoever with the term "tea-bagger" to describe the Tea Party movement.

If you’re (still) unfamiliar with the term “tea-bagging,” Google it. It’s a sexual practice that makes a designation like “slut” look downright complimentary. So forgive me if I don't believe in your outrage that much.

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 34):
A case of phoney manufactured outrage if there ever was one. I can't help but recognize many of the people in this thread who object to calling someone a slut having no trouble whatsoever with the term "tea-bagger" to describe the Tea Party movement.

Plenty of difference, IMHO.

First of all, it's one thing for an unnamed individual to refer to a group of people using a perjorative, and it's totally different thing when a well known commentator with millions of followers uses a perjorative to refer to a single named individual.

Secondly, I don't think everyone who has used the term "teabagger" really knows what it refers to (I know I didn't, till your post made me look it up, and your request to have people to look it up is a tacit admission that the term is not all that common), whereas pretty much everyone of voting age knows what the terms "prostitute" and "slut" refer to.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 35):
First of all, it's one thing for an unnamed individual to refer to a group of people using a perjorative, and it's totally different thing when a well known commentator with millions of followers uses a perjorative to refer to a single named individual.

And when the unnamed individual is the President, who used the term in front of the press according to Newsweek?

"In Jonathan Alter’s “The Promise: President Obama, Year One,” President Obama is quoted in an interview saying that the unanimous vote of House Republicans vote against the stimulus bills “set the tenor for the whole year … That helped to create the tea-baggers and empowered that whole wing of the Republican Party to where it now controls the agenda for the Republicans.”

And I suppose that Rachel Maddow, Kieth Olbermann, Bill Maher and other liberal personalities who use the term are all unnamed?

And when they used the term specifically at a certain person (Sarah Palin being a prime target), she is a group in and of herself, right?

So by your logic, if Rush Limbaugh had called all liberals "sluts" as a general term, that would be OK I suppose, since Rush could also be "unnamed", if Obama and others can.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

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Secondly, I don't think everyone who has used the term "teabagger" really knows what it refers to

I think you might be the only one left. I'm pretty sure that almost everyone in the world knew what the term really meant within a week or so of the term starting to be used, nearly years ago. Here is a little primer of how the term got started.

http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&id=89676&sc=&sc3=
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I was talking about paying for them as contraception only

So how do you actually identify the reason for the Rx from a Doctor? Do you throw away that right to privacy (only supporting the Constitution when it suits you?), maybe (as Rush suggested) that the girls are required to be videoed during any sex that may have.

How are you going to maintain the patient - doctor's privilege? Only going to maintain that for men and post menopausal women?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I'll bet you dollars to donuts that they will end up costing the insurance companies (and eventually all of us) $100-$200 per month in short order.

Actually, insurance companies are very good at negotiating with drug companies for the lowest price. Of course the GOP will never let the US Government do that, but the only way those drugs would go to the $100 to $200 a month range will be because the insurance companies decided on a random increase to boost profits.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I have a daughter, and she is a lot smarter than to make such a stupid public pronouncement.

If your daughter was presenting the information about a friend who had an ovary removed because they couldn't afford the pill then I believe you could be proud of her. And if Rush verbally jumped on her then you would clearly understand what a pig of a man he is.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
I feel for no one who attends a $50,000 a year school and cries that they can't afford birth control.

You might be surprised, but even the really over priced schools will recruit very bright students from low income areas and ensure they have the school costs covered. Sort of like intellectual athletes, but (unlike the real jocks) they don't have the fans slipping them some cash now and then. So, yes, it is clear that there will be a lot of girls & young women who will need medications that they cannot afford. That is why conservatives would far more to prefer far more money for removal of an ovary than pay for meds to avoid the surgery.
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):
And when the unnamed individual is the President, who used the term in front of the press according to Newsweek?

The "unnamed" part was to deal with your reference to:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 34):
many of the people in this thread

and not to well-known celebrities making public statements, however...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):
"In Jonathan Alter’s “The Promise: President Obama, Year One,” President Obama is quoted in an interview saying that the unanimous vote of House Republicans vote against the stimulus bills “set the tenor for the whole year … That helped to create the tea-baggers and empowered that whole wing of the Republican Party to where it now controls the agenda for the Republicans.”

Not quite analogous, because Obama didn't call out an individual, but as I point out below, Obama definitely should not be using such language.

But, yeah, if Obama, Rachel Maddow, Kieth Olbermann, Bill Maher and/or other liberal personalities called Sarah Palin a "slut" in a context where the topic included sexual behavior, it would be analogous. And if any of them called her a "teabagger" in the context where it implied she was a part of an unnatural act (as in "we want you post the videos online so we can all watch") it would be analogous.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):

I think you might be the only one left. I'm pretty sure that almost everyone in the world knew what the term really meant within a week or so of the term starting to be used, nearly years ago.

Then why did you post:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 34):
If you’re (still) unfamiliar with the term “tea-bagging,” Google it.

???

Honestly, I could tell from the context that it was some sort of pejorative based on the play on words, but I didn't guess correctly what the term referred to, and just thought it was a pejorative and not that the members of the Tea Party performed any particular unnatural act.

And, yeah, now that I know the full meaning, Obama definitely should not be using such language.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):
So by your logic, if Rush Limbaugh had called all liberals "sluts" as a general term, that would be OK I suppose, since Rush could also be "unnamed", if Obama and others can.

I thought he already had, or at least, terms similar.

But I can't think of any "liberal" who has suggested that a named woman make porn tapes so that they (the liberal) could watch 'em for their own enjoyment - which is, presumably, something like masturbation.

And if any liberal did say that he should be excoriated as Mr. Limbaugh has been.

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Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 34):
A case of phoney manufactured outrage if there ever was one. I can't help but recognize many of the people in this thread who object to calling someone a slut having no trouble whatsoever with the term "tea-bagger" to describe the Tea Party movement.

"Phoney manufactured outrage"? Do you call a letter written by the Dean of the law school, and undersigned by nearly all of the faculty members of Georgetown Law (liberals and conservatives alike, and members from the campus ministry including the resident nun) as well as faculty members at other well-known law schools to be "manufactured outrage"? (here is the letter, in case you are interested: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/statement-sandra-fluke.pdf ). These professors wouldn't waste their time on an instance of "phoney manufactured outrage." The guy crossed a line--a big one--and people are rightfully upset. Just because you disagree with a woman doesn't give you the right to call her a slut.

I'm trying to understand your angle here: its okay that Rush Limbaugh called her a slut because other people use "teabagger" to label the tea partiers? You are also trying to skirt the issue here--you've only addressed the insult head on by saying

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid

which I disagree with--his personal attacks render the rest of his argument moot--and his apology was completely undermined by his claim that "he did not mean it as a personal attack."
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:14 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 40):
"Phoney manufactured outrage"? Do you call a letter written by the Dean of the law school, and undersigned by nearly all of the faculty members of Georgetown Law (liberals and conservatives alike, and members from the campus ministry including the resident nun) as well as faculty members at other well-known law schools to be "manufactured outrage"?

Yeah. Also, I call it hypocrisy. Like I said, many of the people so upset just giggled like 12 year old girls when libs were using "tea-bagger" (a term still in common use) to derogatorily talk about the Tea Party movement.
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:18 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 37):
How are you going to maintain the patient - doctor's privilege? Only going to maintain that for men and post menopausal women?

So I take it that you are in favor of free boob jobs for every woman? After all, how are we going to make sure the women that get it have really been mastectomized?
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 41):

Yeah. Also, I call it hypocrisy. Like I said, many of the people so upset just giggled like 12 year old girls when libs were using "tea-bagger" (a term still in common use) to derogatorily talk about the Tea Party movement.

Wow, you have absolutely no moral system at all, do you?

Something is deeply wrong when you can't see that calling a woman asking for contraception to be covered in a political debate a "slut" and asking her for sex videos is wrong. And conservatives accuse liberals of having no morals...
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 41):

Yeah. Also, I call it hypocrisy. Like I said, many of the people so upset just giggled like 12 year old girls when libs were using "tea-bagger" (a term still in common use) to derogatorily talk about the Tea Party movement.

So everything is a wash and we're to be discouraged from pointing out what an uncalled for and abusive statement Limbaugh made, just because it so happens that such derogatory language is A Thing That Exists and may have been used by people that agreed with us in the past. I don't even know where to start with that. For one thing, you're tarring everyone who disagrees with you by association. For another, I'm pretty sure personal attacks such as this one are not how a lot of people on this board, er, make a decent portion of their living. (Remember when Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton "the family dog?") For yet another, if you consider peers defending the reputation of someone who's been insulted to be "manufactured outrage" and "hypocrisy", what exactly constitutes legitimate outrage? Can you at least see why people might, might be angry here?
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:21 am

Seems the advertisers aren't too happy with Rush:

A 7th advertiser pulls out of Limbaugh's show
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 34):
A case of phoney manufactured outrage if there ever was one.

Why? Because a woman wanted to give testimony on women's health issues but was not allowed? Because a woman wanted to speak? Why is that phony and outrageous? I notice it wasn't phony manufactured outrage when Ed Schultz called Laura Ingrham a slut.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 34):
many of the people in this thread who object to calling someone a slut having no trouble whatsoever with the term "tea-bagger" to describe the Tea Party movement.

Actually, many MANY Democrats/Liberals were willing to accept and listen to the tea movement. Until they were taken over by corporate America. It was at that point they ceased to be a legitimate movement in the eyes of the left. The people, and I mean the real people who were behind the movement like shop owners and factory workers and retirees living on $1000 a month or less, actually had valid points worth exploring. But, then, as with all things right-wing, international corporate money moved in and they became a charicature.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:44 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 43):
Something is deeply wrong when you can't see that calling a woman asking for contraception to be covered in a political debate a "slut" and asking her for sex videos is wrong.

I won't defend calling her a slut, and the sex video was something called a "joke". You should look it up as you seem not to be aware of it.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 46):

Why? Because a woman wanted to give testimony on women's health issues but was not allowed? Because a woman wanted to speak? Why is that phony and outrageous?

No, no, and it is not phoney and outrageous. Rush went after her because WHAT SHE SAID was outrageous, and what I called phoney was that people get their panties all in a wad for the word "slut" when "tea-bagger" was just fine and dandy.
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:12 am

Again, this apology came too little too late, very obvious that his lawyers have their prints on every word.
He was attacking this girl for three days, and it was not a one time insult that you will feel sorry for. His so called apology came after 6 of his show advertisers pulled off the show.

Anyways, as an employer, the only reason why I would support passing the "contraceptive pill law" is:

MATERNITY LEAVE.

While I full support a woman who is planning on having a family and raise a child, I support those who don't want accidental pregnancy.

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If you have, or ever have, a daughter, I think you should pray that she is never subjected to such foul-mouthed publicly stated vitriol.

  
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:12 am

Plain and simple, Rush has lost it! I mean, what planet is this guy from? OK, I can see him opposing that contraceptives be provided by the school, but his name calling is pure stupidity. I think she should purchase her own contraceptives, but in NO WAY is this woman a "slut" or "prostitute".

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