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Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:46 pm

What aircraft was used by the President's 13-year old daughter and entourage of 25 secret service agents?
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:58 pm

Like mother like daughter. But she may have flown commerical as 12 school mates also went. But if she went by 89th aircraft, it could have been a C-40C. She won't get Mommy's airplane. Her fellow students, and any shaparones would have had to pay commerical 1st class ticket rates.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:45 pm

Quien.com reports she flew commercial on Friday 16MAR. It also has photos of the 1st daughter and her classmates. It says they are staying at the Camino Real Hotel, and visiting area olmec ruins and artisan villages.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:18 am

She better of flown commerical.....I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):

I'm sure you were glad to pay for the Bush's golf trips though!
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 4):
I'm sure you were glad to pay for the Bush's golf trips though!

Or his seemingly biweekly trips to his Texas ranch.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:52 am

Question: Is the US Secret Service a Law Enforcement Agency proper?
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:57 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

Harsh reality is that you will be paying for First Families for the rest of your life. And you'll be paying for ex-Presidents as well.

While you may want to totally isolate kids in the White House (regardless of Party) most people prefer to see some normalcy for these kids.

No big deal for the Secret Service coverage. They are long term employees who get paid no matter where they are working.

Considering how may nuts we have in this country and how easy it is for them to get a gun I believe it is worth spending the money to provide protection for the President and Vice-President AND their families. Otherwise we simply encourage the nuts (like the one who went after Reagan) and the terrorists.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
She better of flown commerical.....I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

The travel arrangements will most likely be dictated by the secret service.

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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:06 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

It's just part of the deal and is the same regardless of politics. Besides, the President is the most powerful executive in the world and makes only $400,000 per year. Granted they all make a killing when they leave office, but they are still very underpaid.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
Question: Is the US Secret Service a Law Enforcement Agency proper?

Yes. Protection of the President, other government figures, and foreign dignitaries is just one relatively small tangent of their mission.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:25 am

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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:01 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Besides, the President is the most powerful executive in the world and makes only $400,000 per year

Money is not an issue. I am OK with someone desiring money, as that is perfectly natural - money is usually a by-product of production. What we should all be concerned about is people who seek power, as there is only ever one way to obtain it - violence. Most politicians fall in that later field.

People who seek power are way more dangerous than people who seek money.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
What we should all be concerned about is people who seek power, as there is only ever one way to obtain it - violence.

Huh?
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
Question: Is the US Secret Service a Law Enforcement Agency proper?

A big part of the Secret Service, since they are part of the Treasury Dept, is that they go after currency counterfeiters.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 5):
Or his seemingly biweekly trips to his Texas ranch.


At least Texas was set up as a 2nd White House. He worked there. And he went to the same place often for vacation. Obama picks a new place every time. Much easier to send people to the same place again and again and even base people there.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
Question: Is the US Secret Service a Law Enforcement Agency proper?


As you saw they certainly are. They originally dealt with just currency crime. Now besides for that and protecting the president VP etc.. they operate like any other Fed law enforcement agency. They have offices all over the country and world from DC to London to Billings Montana.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 7):
While you may want to totally isolate kids in the White House (regardless of Party) most people prefer to see some normalcy for these kids.


Is this trip a school trip? I am a bit confused on what kind of trip this is. That being said there was a short article in the NY Times stating that the daughter is fine after the earthquake in the region.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
She better of flown commerical.....I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

Bottom line: AFO (or any other government airplane) is available for the president for whatever needs he or his family may have. It's part of the package as is Secret Service protection. And it's very unfair of you to expect the First Family to be locked up inside their mansion all year long. If you have a wife and leave her locked inside your house, that's your lifestyle.

What's next? Should we ask Mr. Obama to take the braces off Malia because it's too costly and she shouldn't have them in the first place?

And BTW, it's "better have flown", not "better of flown"...
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:21 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

Guess what - as taxpayers we have to pay for things we don't want to. It happens to me and it happens to you. Unfortunately thats just life.  
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 5):
Or his seemingly biweekly trips to his Texas ranch.

Lets be honest here, 90% of us airliners.netters would be flying Air Force One (or other aircraft at our disposal) daily, if we were president. So its probably a bit hypercritical of us to complain when the president or first family uses these such transport in a way that is perceived to be wasteful.     
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 15):
What's next? Should we ask Mr. Obama to take the braces off Malia because it's too costly and she shouldn't have them in the first place?

Ah, the traditional lack of American political civility rears its ugly head again here - Obama is the duly elected President of the United States and can do ALL THE THINGS that any previous modern President of the United States can do! Eleanor Roosevelt spent a great deal of time flying all over the world, and like Michelle Obama, supported military families. Jackie Kennedy was a huge hit with the French people at a time when relations between the US and France were stressful. The Republicans of the day hated both of those First Families, too.....   
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 17):
The Republicans of the day hated both of those First Families, too.....   

Perhaps because republicans prefer their women to be in the kitchen barefoot making them a sandwich? (In between their transvaginal sonogram sessions, of course.)

Yes, the Republican party loathes strong women that want to travel without their husbands.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Yes, the Republican party loathes strong women that want to travel without their husbands.

It's not Republicans. It's two misguided posters.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Yes, the Republican party loathes strong women that want to travel without their husbands.

Good to know your definition of a "strong woman" is someone who basically takes advantage of some position of power her husband has to promote some pet cause nobody gives a crap about.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:12 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
She better of flown commerical.....I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

Are you going to defend yourself or are you going to hide afraid of the "left" here. When you go after the kids you know you cant win.

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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
Good to know your definition of a "strong woman" is someone who basically takes advantage of some position of power her husband has to promote some pet cause nobody gives a crap about.

So if she goes out promoting stuff, she's just piggybacking off her husband. If she stays home and stays quiet, she's just being an accessory. I'm sensing a no-win situation here.

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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:25 am

Umm wonder if Mexico will disarm the Secret Service agents who are assigned to Obama's daughter?..Like Mexico did to the ICE agents several years ago that got one of them killed.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
At least Texas was set up as a 2nd White House. He worked there. And he went to the same place often for vacation. Obama picks a new place every time. Much easier to send people to the same place again and again and even base people there.

It does not matter where the President is. He is on duty 24/7. He never ets a "vacation." At any time, he could be called to duty.

Air Force One is a flying White House. It has every communication system that the WH has. It makes no difference if the President is in Tunisia or Madagascar. There is nothing he can't do from a remote location.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:40 am

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 23):
Umm wonder if Mexico will disarm the Secret Service agents who are assigned to Obama's daughter?..Like Mexico did to the ICE agents several years ago that got one of them killed.

They won´t. As they are not here on a Law Enforcement Capacity. If they were conducting such activities, they would be disarmed, as per our laws. Now, about that ICE agent, you do realize he got killed by one of those ATF weapons smuggled in under their so classic and successful "fast and furious" program right?
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:32 am

Leave the children alone.
I don't like Obama's policies but his children should be off limits.

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Yes, the Republican party loathes strong women that want to travel without their husbands.


Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan all travelled without their husbands.
When I saw Nancy Reagan give a speech when I was in 8th grade, she was without her husband Ronald.
It was for that silly 'Just Say No' campaign back in the 80s.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
Good to know your definition of a "strong woman" is someone who basically takes advantage of some position of power her husband has to promote some pet cause nobody gives a crap about.


  
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:06 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 25):
Now, about that ICE agent, you do realize he got killed by one of those ATF weapons smuggled in under their so classic and successful "fast and furious" program right?

Yes I do...Thats one reason Obama will never get my vote is he should have sacked Eric Holder even before fast and furious but especially after it.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Yes, the Republican party loathes strong women that want to travel without their husbands.

Good to know your definition of a "strong woman" is someone who basically takes advantage of some position of power her husband has to promote some pet cause nobody gives a crap about.

Sorry, your logic is lacking. Not even remotely close to what I said. Unless you think that Malia is in Oaxaca to promote a pet cause.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 13):
A big part of the Secret Service, since they are part of the Treasury Dept, is that they go after currency counterfeiters.

Actually, since March 1st 2003, the Secret Service is part of the US Department of Homeland Security.

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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
Good to know your definition of a "strong woman" is someone who basically takes advantage of some position of power her husband has to promote some pet cause nobody gives a crap about.

Hey, if she's not benefiting from it personally, I don't see the problem. She's doing something she believes in...kinda like the previous president who "fought" for freedom in Iraq "believing" they had WMDs.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 3):
She better of flown commerical.....I am sick and tired of paying for Michelles and her kids vacations!

All of the absolute CRAP that my tax dollars as a US citizen goes to...and I mean real, absolute, wasteful CRAP...this doesn't bother me in the slightest.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 7):
No big deal for the Secret Service coverage. They are long term employees who get paid no matter where they are working.

Exactly. Protecting these people is a normal US government function. Why is the media obsessed with calculating the cost... everything the US government does will cost a huge amount of money. If that is supposed to be news, I applaud them, but millions of similar articles should be written daily about other expensive things the governement did today.

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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:46 pm

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 23):
Umm wonder if Mexico will disarm the Secret Service agents who are assigned to Obama's daughter?..

No way the president would ever travel anywhere where the USSS Agents are not armed. They bring everything with them the cars, the guns everything days before. They got some serious weapons under those jackets too. Must get hot outside.

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 27):
Thats one reason Obama will never get my vote is he should have sacked Eric Holder even before fast and furious but especially after it.

I can't believe he is still AG.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
At least Texas was set up as a 2nd White House.

And how much did converting it into a 2nd WH cost the taxpayers? Did he get some permanent upgrades (like a helichopter pad?

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
He worked there.

Presidents can work everywhere. They have the necessary infrastructure and personnel. And the increased costs of Bush staying at the ranch is just a part of the Presidency.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Obama picks a new place every time.

So what? Obama goes to Hawaii multiples times - just not as many times as Bush headed to Texas.

My personal opinion is that there are benefits to a President "vacationing" in multiple places around the country. It brings those locations to the public attention and, hopefully, increase their tourism.

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):
Is this trip a school trip?

Official or unofficial, it is a group of school kids on a trip. Not a big deal and not worth worrying about with all of the other issues that we need to address.
 
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
Official or unofficial, it is a group of school kids on a trip. Not a big deal and not worth worrying about with all of the other issues that we need to address.

If its a school trip or something like that I have zero problems with it. Go ahead, learn be part of the schools trips etc.. I just hope/imagine would think this is not President Obama's daughter taking some friends on a trip on the US dollar. Again I have no problem paying for her travel and security as part of a school trip or family trip etc.. An education organization anything like that is fine and should be allowed. The kids should live as normal as a life as possible.

I also think it is fine for the first lady to travel around the country by herself. She is a role model and part of the White House, she has influence and should be able to use it. But her recent trips abroad with her daughters did not seem right to me.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
Presidents can work everywhere. They have the necessary infrastructure and personnel. And the increased costs of Bush staying at the ranch is just a part of the Presidency.

I understand this. IMO I would imagine having one location makes it easier to have all the things and personnel needed.
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RE: Malia Obama Spring Break In Oaxaca

Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
My personal opinion is that there are benefits to a President "vacationing" in multiple places around the country. It brings those locations to the public attention and, hopefully, increase their tourism.

(troll mode on) Then why did she go to Mexico instead of promoting an American vacation spot? (troll mode off)  

Anyway, I suppose some locations did benefit from the extra attention, such as Key West. Crawford, TX on the other hand... I have my doubts.
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