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Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:34 am

It seems more and more so that Dubai wants to get rid of the QE2 but of all places that would take her in I would never have thought of Macau. Why don't they just sell her back to the UK? There was a business consortium ready to buy her off before she was sold to the UAE.

I don't really see how she would be doing any better in Macau that she is now doing in Dubai. I really hope it will not happen.

Southampton could very well have her as a Maritime Museum and conference center. All the cruisers could stay on board and various events can be organized. At least she has all her history there.

UNIVERSAL EVENT MANAGEMENT LTD. ACQUIRES RIGHTS TO REPRESENT THE QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 IN MACAU, P.R.C.

Macau (MMD Newswire) March 20, 2012 -- Universal Event Management (Macau) Ltd. announced today that it has received the rights to represent the QE2 in a number of locations; two of which are the SAR Macau and Atlantic City New Jersey. At 70,327 tons and 963 feet long with a top speed of 32.5 knots she is also one of the fastest and grandest passenger vessels ever built. QE2 is arguably the most famous liner in the world.

"We are thrilled that UEM has an opportunity to bring this "Legend of the Seas" to Macau as a 926 room hotel and convention facility; said Charles Greco, President & CEO of UEM. Macau is in need to diversify its reputation of a Gaming Epicenter; ... he continued. We have struggled to build a community that includes a respectable amount of business to business meetings and conventions (MICE) and to attract non-gaming tourism, and leisure business. Our aim is to make Macau the permanent home of the QE2."... He reiterated.

http://www.mmdnewswire.com/universal...agement-queen-elizabeth-98007.html

Dubai must really have a grudge against the ship returning to the UK.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Dubai must really have a grudge against the ship returning to the UK.

Could it be that perhaps Macau made the better offer?   
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:24 pm

Macau? Couldnt they find a place further away from what the famous QE2 stands for? I´ll be in Dubai with the QM2 next month. Hopefully we are moored next to QE2 to take a few pictures.

Imho there are only two places the QE2 should find her resting place, Southampton or NYC. I understand that Southampton might not have the money (plus they always have the contemporary Queens there), but why doesnt NYC buy her and add it next to the aircraft carrier museum? Wouldnt it attract more visitors than most hotels?
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:44 pm

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Macau? Couldnt they find a place further away from what the famous QE2 stands for? I´ll be in Dubai with the QM2 next month. Hopefully we are moored next to QE2 to take a few pictures.

Macau is total nonsense. Somehow it seems that Dubai has a grudge about letting the Ship go back to England so they will sell/lease her to just about anywhere except the UK.

This is fantastic that you will be able to see the QE2 from the QM2 when you arrive in Dubai... yes I will be a taker of as many pictures as you can get!!! You will have the best vantage point. You will be able to go walk on the pier by the old Queen and get close ups of her.

You may even be the witness of a horn battle between the two Queens. They did this last time QM2 was in Dubai. Maybe you will be lucky! Make sure you are up on the bridge!!! I hope you will have a nice visit.

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Imho there are only two places the QE2 should find her resting place, Southampton or NYC. I understand that Southampton might not have the money (plus they always have the contemporary Queens there), but why doesnt NYC buy her and add it next to the aircraft carrier museum? Wouldnt it attract more visitors than most hotels?

New York would be absolute ideal as she was the main QE2 port of call but I am not sure the Port Authority of New York would agree on blocking another pier to have the QE2 on permanent display. I would quite well see a QE2 and Concorde display (ideal in my opinion) and then another display with the Enterprise Space Shuttle prototype and the aircraft carrier on the next pier down.

Would make an ideal sight for whoever likes to see a top air and sea display. The QE2 could also be used as a Maritime museum with displays of Concorde memorabilia all together maybe also a hotel.


     
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:09 pm

I doubt she would make a very good museum, the cost to keep her open to the public would be enormous, the public purse would probably have to subsidise it, the best place for this ship is a breakers yard in India or Bangladesh. Pull out all the interesting fittings, sell them off to QE2 fans, let everyone remember her as she was back in the day, nothing would be sadder then seeing her end up like Queen Mary in Long Beach, a sad end if ever there was one, BTW Queen Mary should be broken up IMO.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:02 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Somehow it seems that Dubai has a grudge

How so? Do you have any recent examples of genuine offers made to Dubai by any British company or consortium? If so, how did these offers compare to the various other ideas that have been floated in the past?

If the British want the ship that badly they will offer something for it. Or should Dubai simply gift it to them?

But to the linked article. It doesn't actually say that the ship has been sold. It seems to be saying that this Universal Event Management (Macau) Ltd has the right to sell and market events (on behalf of the owners) and that such events might take place in Macau and Atlantic City.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:16 pm

I think she deserves to be preserved even as an example of industrial design. She is gorgeous to look at. It was sad to see her sitting in an empty dock last time I flew into Dubai.

I'd rather see her as a casino ship in Macau than sitting on the beach in Alang.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:16 pm

I know this company and Mr Greco quite well. This is unlikely to happen. The rights to do its one thing. The funds to operate it is another, and they don't have it
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
his is fantastic that you will be able to see the QE2 from the QM2 when you arrive in Dubai... yes I will be a taker of as many pictures as you can get!!! You will have the best vantage point. You will be able to go walk on the pier by the old Queen and get close ups of her.

I´´ll be boarding QM2 in Dubai for a 2 1/2 week cruise, the final leg of this years circumnavigation. I´ll send you some pictures if I´m back.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
nothing would be sadder then seeing her end up like Queen Mary in Long Beach, a sad end if ever there was one, BTW Queen Mary should be broken up IMO.

I disagree. I´ve been to Long Beach, and the QM is still a fantastic sight, the sole survivor of an era. The US has so many aircarft carriers and battleships as museums, if they run out of money they should scrap them first before they touch the grand Queen Mary which has done more to win WWII than any battleship.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
I doubt she would make a very good museum, the cost to keep her open to the public would be enormous, the public purse would probably have to subsidise it

Well, they can afford to run an old aircraft carrier, so I doubt its lack of money thats the problem. I´d even prefer to have the QE2 as a museum there and scrap the old carrier. There are still so many carriers left elsewhere, while the QE2 is a one-off of high historical significance.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 5):
Do you have any recent examples of genuine offers made to Dubai by any British company or consortium? If so, how did these offers compare to the various other ideas that have been floated in the past?

If the British want the ship that badly they will offer something for it. Or should Dubai simply gift it to them?

There have been some inquiries from British companies to buy the Ship back from their Dubai owners at the time when Nakheel was considering a sale and was taking bids and visitors on board. Probably among others.

Not sure what happened if the now owners changed their mind - probably so - and want to keep it in Dubai. Also there was a clause in the sales contract by Cunard stating that she could not be resold. Not sure if it can be amended and/or how.

The Palm Jumeirah project fell through. I haven't heard of any new plans for the QE2 since they opened her to $$$$$$$ paying guests last New Year's eve. Event was advertised big time though what I heard from good local sources it ended up being a flop.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/le...-bash-marks-a-new-chapter-1.959074

I would rather Dubai gift the ship back to the UK where she belongs than keeping her there for nothing or sending her to Alang for scrub. Ship is a national icon and a Falklands war hero so I doubt the UK will let her get sent to the boneyard.

  
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:09 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
I doubt she would make a very good museum, the cost to keep her open to the public would be enormous, the public purse would probably have to subsidise it, the best place for this ship is a breakers yard in India or Bangladesh. Pull out all the interesting fittings, sell them off to QE2 fans, let everyone remember her as she was back in the day, nothing would be sadder then seeing her end up like Queen Mary in Long Beach, a sad end if ever there was one, BTW Queen Mary should be broken up IMO.

I have to agree there is little if any interest in the old girll, and her former clientel was long in the tooth the begin with so they are quickly dying off and she offers little if anything to a younger audience.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:09 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 6):
I think she deserves to be preserved even as an example of industrial design. She is gorgeous to look at. It was sad to see her sitting in an empty dock last time I flew into Dubai.

Who is going to pay for her, how will she make any money?

Quoting na (Reply 8):


I disagree. I´ve been to Long Beach, and the QM is still a fantastic sight, the sole survivor of an era.

But she is a shadow of her former glory I've been on board, it's not pretty, she's been chopped up, changed around, they didn't even keep the interesting bits like her engines.

Quoting na (Reply 8):
The US has so many aircarft carriers and battleships as museums, if they run out of money they should scrap them first before they touch the grand Queen Mary which has done more to win WWII than any battleship.

The difference is more people are interested in battleships and aircraft carriers than old passenger ships, I've got two little boys they would spend all day climbing over a battleship, but couldn't care less about a passenger vessel, there are hundreds of millions of little boys.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
I would rather Dubai gift the ship back to the UK where she belongs than keeping her there for nothing or sending her to Alang for scrub. Ship is a national icon and a Falklands war hero so I doubt the UK will let her get sent to the boneyard.

Why would they give her back for free? Her owners aren't a charity. I'd say the vast majority of people living in the UK today couldn't care less about the QE2.

The real hero ships of the Falklands were Hermes and Invincible, without them the British had no chance. I don't know what you think QE2 did during the Falklands campaign but she was never anywhere near the Islands, she was never in any danger, whereas the Canberra was right in the middle of San Carlos Waters with the rest of the fleet, the Canberra was equally as important to the British during the Falklands Campaign yet she ended up at a Pakistani breakers.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:01 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the QE end up at the bottom of Hong Kong harbor?

Can a similar fate await it's replacement.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:39 pm

The original did in fact meet that fate.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 13):
The original did in fact meet that fate.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the QE end up at the bottom of Hong Kong harbor?

Sure did, here she is

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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the QE end up at the bottom of Hong Kong harbor?

Yes and no, as technically it wasnt the Cunard ship "Queen Elizabeth" that sunk. The great ship caught fire and capsized in a completely different paintscheme in white and yellow, named the "Seawise University".

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 10):
I have to agree there is little if any interest in the old girll, and her former clientel was long in the tooth the begin with so they are quickly dying off and she offers little if anything to a younger audience.

I´m dying off? Not that I´m aware of!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
But she is a shadow of her former glory I've been on board, it's not pretty, she's been chopped up, changed around, they didn't even keep the interesting bits like her engines.

Still a grander sight than any rusting battleship (not that I hate battleships)! From the outside QM hasnt changed but in a few minor details, and the main decks are largely as they have been, only less well maintained. Shame for the engines I agree. Hey, its a museum with limited funds, not an active ship! I am happy QM still exists, and should I travel to California next time, it´ll be the no.1. stop to go to for me.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
The real hero ships of the Falklands were Hermes and Invincible, without them the British had no chance.

Without the QE2 the UK would not have been able to send large numbers of soldiers down to the Falklands. Its not just fighting that wins a war, logistics are equally important. Look at the QM and QE, who transported the bulk of GIs to the European war. Without these two ships alone D-day would have come so late the Russians would have been standing at the Rhine, laughing at General Patton! Which battleship or aircraft carrier can claim such importance? None in history!
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:34 pm

Quoting na (Reply 16):
Without the QE2 the UK would not have been able to send large numbers of soldiers down to the Falklands. Its not just fighting that wins a war, logistics are equally important.

Not true they sent the same number of troops on Canberra as they did on the QE2. There were other liners under British flag that could have been pressed into service as well, such as the SS Oriana, she could have easily carried the 3000 troops the QE2 carried, Oriana was also pretty fast, nearly as fast as QE2.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting na (Reply 16):
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 10):
I have to agree there is little if any interest in the old girll, and her former clientel was long in the tooth the begin with so they are quickly dying off and she offers little if anything to a younger audience.

I´m dying off? Not that I´m aware of!



Facts are we all are dying off. Though it is a fact that the QE2's passengers are/were an older generation and that is/was her customer base. She offers little if anything to a more demanding younger passenger who wants bells and whistle that she does not or can not offer. If they kept her sailing they would have had to resort to discounting to fill the cabins thus diluting price points needed to keep her.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
It seems more and more so that Dubai wants to get rid of the QE2 but of all places that would take her in I would never have thought of Macau.

This...

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the QE end up at the bottom of Hong Kong harbor?
Can a similar fate await it's replacement.

That's what I was thinking. Macau wants a sunken Cunard legend of their own.

Quoting na (Reply 16):
I´m dying off? Not that I´m aware of!

I'm not even 40 and I remember sailing on the QE2. I had a poster of a cutaway on my wall as a kid. I was fascinated by the hold area reserved for automobile transport, and the two story suite.

Quoting na (Reply 8):
I disagree. I´ve been to Long Beach, and the QM is still a fantastic sight, the sole survivor of an era.

I agree with you. I've stayed aboard the hotel in the traditional rooms. It's a fun experience. Sir Winston's, the buffet in one of the restored dining rooms, the relatively intact staterooms.

No, they couldn't preserve the whole ship. It wasn't practical. But there is enough preserved to get a feel for what it was like in the day.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
Pull out all the interesting fittings, sell them off to QE2 fans, let everyone remember her as she was back in the day, nothing would be sadder then seeing her end up like Queen Mary in Long Beach, a sad end if ever there was one,

Which was unfortunately the awful fate of the S.S. United States, which through multiple owners was stripped of her fittings and was only recently saved from the scrappers by the SS United States conservancy group.
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 20):

Which was unfortunately the awful fate of the S.S. United States, which through multiple owners was stripped of her fittings and was only recently saved from the scrappers by the SS United States conservancy group.

The SS United States should have gone to the breakers decades ago, she's completely shot to shit, everything that can be removed has been, it's going to cost tens of millions to make her safe for visitors, so I don't believe anything will come of her.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
The SS United States should have gone to the breakers decades ago, she's completely shot to shit, everything that can be removed has been, it's going to cost tens of millions to make her safe for visitors, so I don't believe anything will come of her.

Here I agree with you, that ship is practically unsavable. A shame what they are doing here, doing nothing but paying mooring costs for nothing since decades. But, if a certain Mr. Gates would spend just 0,3% of his insane fortune on her, she would be fine again!
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting na (Reply 22):
Here I agree with you, that ship is practically unsavable.

It is, and its a damn shame. But the Big U is apparently full of asbestos fire-retardant (which the US government wanted to make the liner as fire-proof as possible in case the ship was called up as a troop carrier) which is a major issue as well.   
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 23):
It is, and its a damn shame. But the Big U is apparently full of asbestos fire-retardant (which the US government wanted to make the liner as fire-proof as possible in case the ship was called up as a troop carrier) which is a major issue as well.

The Asbestos was removed in the 90s. Their was a dispute over it as it was towed to Turkey for the work.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting na (Reply 24):

The Asbestos was removed in the 90s. Their was a dispute over it as it was towed to Turkey for the work.

From what I understand they didn't get it all, basically the ship has done nothing since 1969 when she was pulled from service, keeping her is daft, really daft.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 25):
From what I understand they didn't get it all, basically the ship has done nothing since 1969 when she was pulled from service, keeping her is daft, really daft.

From what I have heard, they removed all the asbestos in Turkey, which required stripping out the interior.

From pictures that I have seen posted on the internet, the interior is nothing but the steel and aluminum structure. So restoring the big U to anything usefull would cost many millions, unlike the QM or the QE2, whose interiors were left basically intact.

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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 26):

From what I have heard, they removed all the asbestos in Turkey, which required stripping out the interior.

It was actually done in the Ukraine not Turkey.
 
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:54 pm

The only ship I wanted saved was the SS France/SS Norway so for all I care they can scrap her. :-P

I saw the United States a few weeks ago and she is still a sight to see after all these years!
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RE: Queen Elizabeth 2 Cruise Liner Sold?

Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 26):
So restoring the big U to anything usefull would cost many millions, unlike the QM or the QE2, whose interiors were left basically intact.

Right on the QE2, but wrong on the QM. Sure majority of the ship where passengers traveled are more or less intact, but a good 75% of the 'stuff' to move the ship was removed in the late '60s. The ship was rather dinged up in the removal of the engines and other random bits, I highly doubt if they were to float her she'd remain afloat.
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