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F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:53 am

After Australia, on to Malaysia for the second F1 Grand Prix of the 2012 season.

  

Malaysian Grand Prix March 23-25
Sepang International Circuit
Circuit Length 5.543kms/3.444miles
Circuit Turns 15
Circuit Direction Clockwise
Capacity 133,000
Established 1999
Designer Hermann Tilke

March 23: Free practice 1
March 23: Free practice 2
March 24: Free practice 3
13:00 local | 05:00 GMT | 06:00 CET
March 24: Qualifying
16:00 local | 08:00 GMT | 09:00 CET
March 25: Race
16:00 local | 08:00 GMT | 10:00 CEST

Previous
Malaysian Grand Prix 2011
Winner S Vettel (GER) Red Bull
Malaysian Grand Prix 2010
Winner S Vettel (GER) Red Bull
Malaysian Grand Prix 2009
Winner J Button (GBR) Brawn

Weather forecast for Sepang
http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Sepang+Malaysia+MYXX0031

  

March 23
Lewis Hamilton is fastest in both practice sessions at Sepang

Free practice 1

Driver Teams Time
1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'38.021
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'38.535
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'38.813
4 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'38.826
5 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'38.919
6 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'39.092
7 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'39.128
8 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'39.298
9 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'39.323
10 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'39.440
11 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'39.724
12 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'39.783
13 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'39.896
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'39.910
15 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'39.980
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'40.099
17 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'40.247
18 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'40.469
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'40.857
20 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'41.085
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'43.170
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'44.580
23 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'45.360
24 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'45.528

Free practice 2

Driver Teams Time
1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'38.172
2 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'38.533
3 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'38.535
4 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'38.696
5 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'38.853
6 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'38.891
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'39.133
8 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'39.297
9 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'39.311
10 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'39.402
11 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'39.444
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'39.464
13 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'39.625
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'39.687
15 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'39.696
16 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'40.271
17 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'40.678
18 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'40.947
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'41.464
20 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'41.681
21 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'42.594
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'42.874
23 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'43.658
24 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'43.823


        
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:42 am

Hurts to see Raikkonen getting beat by the much less experienced Grosjean... 

Good times from Schumi  
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 1):
Hurts to see Raikkonen getting beat by the much less experienced Grosjean...

Good times from Schumi

It's practise sessions and we don't know what programs the teams are running. The times today means nothing tomorrow, or Sunday
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:46 pm

Kimi Raikkonen had grid drop.

Kimi Raikkonen will take a five-place grid penalty at the Malaysian Grand Prix after a gearbox change was required on the Lotus.
After Raikkonen finished the second practice session in 15th place he said that the team had yet to show its true pace. However, later in the evening the Lotus team tweeted that there was a problem with the gearbox that was keeping the engineers at the circuit.

http://en.espnf1.com/malaysia/motorsport/story/74021.html

Seems that Heikki also received a grid drop though I cannot confirm.


     
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:05 pm

I'm hoping Mercedes & especially Michael Schumacher get to show what they can really do this weekend !

Heikki indeed has a penalty. In Melbourne he pulled into the pitlane during the safety car phase and thereby overtook cars which where still sticking to the safety car pace. I think that penalty got handed out fairly quickly after that weekend.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:25 am

Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg set the fastest time in the final practice session at the Malaysian Grand Prix.
The German was a massive 0.443 seconds ahead of Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull, whose team-mate Mark Webber was third.

(BBC)

Malaysian Grand Prix 2012
Free practice 3

Driver Teams Time
1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'36.877
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'37.320
3 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'37.338
4 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'37.356
5 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'37.382
6 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'37.404
7 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'37.455
8 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'37.663
9 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'37.776
10 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'37.977
11 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'38.091
12 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'38.178
13 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'38.246
14 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'38.285
15 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'38.423
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'38.640
17 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'38.794
18 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'39.209
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'39.704
20 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'40.189
21 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'41.901
22 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'42.007
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'42.464
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'43.378

Qualifyings to start in about 30 minutes.

        

Q1 results

Driver Team

First qualifying session completed

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Webber AUS Red Bull 9 in pits
2 Schumacher GER Mercedes 5 in pits
3 Button GBR McLaren 5 in pits
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 4 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 8 in pits
6 Hamilton GBR McLaren 6 in pits
7 Perez MEX Sauber 8 in pits
8 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 4 in pits
9 Grosjean FRA Lotus 5 in pits
10 Vettel GER Red Bull 4 in pits
11 Alonso ESP Ferrari 7 in pits
12 Hülkenberg GER Force India 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 9 in pits
14 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 6 in pits
15 Massa BRA Ferrari 9 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits
17 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits

out
18 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 7 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 9 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 6 in pits
21 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
22 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 4 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 6 in pits

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:50 am

Qualifying 2 results

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
2 Button GBR McLaren 8 in pits
3 Rosberg GER Mercedes 11 in pits
4 Schumacher GER Mercedes 11 in pits
5 Hamilton GBR McLaren 9 in pits
6 Grosjean FRA Lotus 8 in pits
7 Webber AUS Red Bull 13 in pits
8 Alonso ESP Ferrari 13 in pits
9 Vettel GER Red Bull 8 in pits
10 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits

out
11 Maldonado VEN Williams 14 in pits
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 15 in pits
13 Senna BRA Williams 13 in pits
14 di Resta GBR Force India 15 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 14 in pits
16 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
17 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 12 in pits
18 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 7 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 9 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 6 in pits
21 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
22 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 4 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 6 in pits

Gear box will cost Kimi 5 places on the grid when he could be on pole... let's wait for Q3 and see what gives

  


Q3 and final grid Hammy takes pole
Schumi will start 3rd his best since he returned to F1
Looks like the Red Bulls are losing it but let's see...
we will not have the answer until the end of the race tomorrow

Driver Team

Third qualifying session completed

1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
2 Great Britain J Button McLaren
3 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
4 Australia M Webber Red Bull
5 Finland K Raikkonen Lotus
6 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
7 Switzerland R Grosjean Lotus
8 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
9 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
10 Mexico S Perez Sauber
11 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
12 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
13 Brazil B Senna Williams
14 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
15 Australia D Ricciardo Toro Rosso
16 Germany N Hulkenberg Force India
17 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
18 France J Vergne Toro Rosso
19 Finland H Kovalainen Caterham
20 Russian Federation V Petrov Caterham
21 Germany T Glock Marussia
22 France C Pic Marussia
23 Spain P de la Rosa HRT
24 India N Karthikeyan HRT

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I will be cheering Schumi tomorrow!

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:05 am

Hamilton on pole, Button 2nd. Another good start for McLaren!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Gear box will cost Kimi 5 places on the grid when he could be on pole... let's wait for Q3 and see what gives

He's not. Only managed 5th. So a 10th place start for him.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:34 am

Nice qualifying result by Mclaren again,Vettel abit down on qualifying this season so see how he goes tomorrow as he got quite lucky last weekend in Melbourne.Good to see Schumacher qualifying so high.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:39 am

Quoting aussie18 (Reply 8):
Vettel abit down on qualifying this season so see how he goes tomorrow as he got quite lucky last weekend in Melbourne.

It's hardly luck. Vettel had a great race in Melbourne, to silence those critics who say that he can only race when he's in front.

Vettel also qualified on the harder tyre, which would explain his time difference to Webber.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:43 am

Sepang the race is about to begin. There's lightnings all around and rain is expected at the start of the race, maybe they will start behind the safety car. If it rains then the track might be wet all through the race.

I like a wet track. It makes it all the more exciting!!!

              
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:59 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
I like a wet track. It makes it all the more exciting!!!

Yep, provided it doesn't pour. It's looking pretty good right now though... hopefully no interruptions or other delays today.

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:13 am

Grosjean spun on the gravel. I think maybe the end of the race for him!!!

     

They are all on full wets... Heavy rain out there!!!

and yesss... Go Schumiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  

safety car is out
I would have gone on full wets from right at the start
bolts of lightning hittling the track!!!

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:19 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Grosjean spun on the gravel. I think maybe the end of the race for him!!!

Serves him right for nudging Schumi into a spin earlier on   

There's still hope... safety car out now.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:25 am

They are going to need another safety car!

 

Look at the weather conditions!!! They say another 30 minutes of this!!

              

Looks like they are going to suspend the race... meh!

 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:34 am

Ferrari is even too slow in setting up their tents.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:41 am

Quoting flood (Reply 15):
Ferrari is even too slow in setting up their tents.

Ha Ha I noticed yes!!!

 

Wake up Stefano!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:00 am

Track doesn't look bad at all from the safety car lap... they need to get on with it already.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:07 am

Quoting flood (Reply 17):
they need to get on with it already.

They should go on with the race. Should all be on the track already. These long stops are becoming ridiculous. Turns F1 into a little girl's sport.


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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:17 am

Ready for another start,I can understand the frustration with waiting for the race to restart but safety is a paramount so just need to be patient and enjoy hopefully a good race.

Perez got lucky to be in position 3 behind the Mclarens.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:04 am

Sergio is doing a great race!!! He should definitely get Massa's seat!!!

Kamui took on Schumi!

Bring in more rain!!!

              
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:34 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
He should definitely get Massa's seat!!!

I think it's pretty much a given now. Especially after this performance and, by contrast, that of Massa...
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:53 am

Congratulations Sergio!!! Wonderful race and well deserved second place!!!!

Peter Sauber must be a happy bunny today!!!!!

        
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:13 am

Great Race!

Well done to Fernando and Ferrari, finally!! hopefully the start of good things to come at Ferrari and of course well done to Sergio, great drive from him, if it wasnt for that overbrake he could have passed Fernando, or else had a nail-biting 10 laps.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Sergio is doing a great race!!! He should definitely get Massa's seat!!!

Definitely!

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
I think it's pretty much a given now. Especially after this performance and, by contrast, that of Massa...

It seems that Massa is really not bothered, he doesn´t do anything, just go out and drive and see what happens.

And Red Bull.... make up your minds, ¨Retire the car¨ ... ¨keep going¨ ... ¨Stop the car¨

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:39 am

Wow, this was one of the best races I've seen in a long time. Congratulations especially to Perez, he drove a magnficent race to finish second.

Well done also to Senna for bringing some valuable points home for Williams. Unfortunately, for the second week in a row, Maldonado had to retire on the last lap after being in a points position. Nevertheless, it's good to see progress. Williams now has more points than they scored for the whole season last year.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:15 pm

Maybe we will have a more competitive season with no one team supremacy over all the others? Maybe Red Bull or McLaren or Ferrari will not be winning races one after the other?

Not an absolute tifoso but I was happy to see Ferrari on the top step of the podium and Stefano taking the constructor's prize. This will make the coming races more challenging, this is very good.

Kimi's return is spicing up things. Congrats to Senna, di Resta and Vergne. I think race circumstances played in their favour. Hammy and Jenson did not do too good but they will have plenty more chances during the rest of the season.

I regret that Schumi had bad karma today with Grosjean but that's racing.

Today's race was exciting and fun. Thank you Sepang weather and thanks to all the teams and drivers!
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
hopefully the start of good things to come at Ferrari

May be premature to claim a return to their glory days, I think the conditions leveled the field more than we have seen in recent times.
Silly mistakes from some "front runners" made things a bit easier.

Not sure what to think of the Red Bull..

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
¨Retire the car¨ ... ¨keep going¨ ... ¨Stop the car¨

Was it a cynical attempt to manipulate the rules, confusion or plain incompetence??
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:35 pm

Great race no doubt. I didnt even think about watching it as I feared another humiliation of my favorite team, but I´m sick this weekend and just switched it on by chance to watch the second half. And that was fully worth it. If someone with an inferior car wins in bad conditions, he must be the best.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 26):
May be premature to claim a return to their glory days, I think the conditions leveled the field more than we have seen in recent times.
Silly mistakes from some "front runners" made things a bit easier.

Yes, sure there was some luck involved that suddenly saw Alonso in first position, but one should not forget that for more than half of the race he had all the other great drivers (with arguably better cars) behind him, and none could catch up. And Perez could only close in because he had better tyres. Hamilton, Webber, Vettel, they had no chance of closing the gap, they werent any faster than Alonso. Thats promising, though I dont expect Ferrari to be competitive every race from now on. But wouldnt it be nice?

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
And Red Bull.... make up your minds, ¨Retire the car¨ ... ¨keep going¨ ... ¨Stop the car¨

Stupid indeed. Add Vettels idiotic comment that "some drivers dont know where their car is". He just made a shortcut and touched the front wing of the overtaken car, it was absolutely his own mistake. I like Vettel, but I´m happy the Red Bull monotony seems to be over.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:27 am

Quoting na (Reply 27):
Stupid indeed. Add Vettels idiotic comment that "some drivers dont know where their car is". He just made a shortcut and touched the front wing of the overtaken car, it was absolutely his own mistake.

How was it Vettel's fault? He was lapping the backmarker, who has the obligation to get out of the way under the blud flag rule. That backmarker could've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel through.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:43 am

Gaaaa, DVR cut out recording on lap 46. Was exciting up to that point though.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:36 am

Also due to the red flag, the DVR didn't record the whole race but I saw enough to see that Alonso is the one keeping Ferrari alive. He was superb, together with Perez. Obviously he had that amount of luck needed to win, but he managed to keep his pace and this time the team did their job perfectly, calling him to pit at the right time.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:19 am

I thoroughly enjoyed this weekend’s Grand Prix and found myself routing for Perez and the Sauber team.
Sauber have been a constant in F1 for as long as I can remember, the plucky little team who from time to time when the situation arose would give the big guns a run for their money as they worked their way through the field after a pit stop, spin, etc, and came up behind them. To see them finally get a podium was brilliant.

Forget Alonso, forget Hamilton, who’s Schumacher? Let’s congratulate Perez for what I vote as the best drive of the race.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 28):
How was it Vettel's fault? He was lapping the backmarker, who has the obligation to get out of the way under the blud flag rule.

Karthikeyan drove on the extreme left, and Vettel cut him, leaving him no option as to go off track or step fully on the brakes. If Vettel would have been wiser, he would have made a gentler manouvre, as he wasnt under immediate pressure. If he knows there are less capable drivers, why dont his driving reflect it?
Vettel´s words were not worthy of a champion. If he´s not winning, his comments are often thin-skinned, I have noticed that before.

Quoting garpd (Reply 31):
Forget Alonso

Hear, hear! Dont forget Perez could only drive faster because he got the better tyres on his car, something even his team admitted. Perez surely drove great, but it was him who made a mistake, while Alonso was faultless. Thats why Alonso won, and thats why his performance must be regarded higher.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 28):
How was it Vettel's fault? He was lapping the backmarker, who has the obligation to get out of the way under the blud flag rule. That backmarker could've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel through


The "backmarker" was out of the way.. once past an overtaken car it is the overtakers obligation to ensure he is clear before moving back in front, this is the rule on the back lanes of Europe, outback tracks of Australia and on race tracks around the world, Vettel cut it too fine and paid the price.. blame can be apportioned where you like, the only guilty party is Vettel!

The "backmarker" has an obligation to not impede the passing car, he has no obligation to back off and let him through.

SV screwed this, just as JB did earlier in the race.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
SV screwed this, just as JB did earlier in the race.

The difference being that the champion that JB is, accepted the blame, put it it behind him and moved on.. the petulant prat from RB blames, as always, others and sulks!!
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:04 pm

the worst part about the Vettel incident is karthikeyan was given a retrospective drive through     the Trouble with Vettel is he's had Helmut Marko's head up his arse for the past two years telling how amazing he is. the phrase you only sing when your winning comes to mind.He could do worse than follow they way his idol Schumacher conducts himself, since his comeback he is much more humble than the arrogant SOB he was in his first carrier IMO

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
The difference being that the champion that JB is, accepted the blame, put it it behind him and moved on.. the petulant prat from RB blames, as always, others and sulks!!

He does seem very petulent sometimes, at least hamilton makes funny comments.

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
the petulant prat from RB

I've been looking for a turn of phrase to describe SV.... that's just it!
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:19 am

Quoting na (Reply 32):
Karthikeyan drove on the extreme left, and Vettel cut him, leaving him no option as to go off track or step fully on the brakes

The replay tells a rather different story, as Karthikeyan clearly moved to the right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqVGEO0Yp9k&hd=1

Perhaps both drivers misjudged. But backmarkers aside, with Karthikeyan being behind and obviously having the better view, he shouldn't have moved right and could easily have avoided the accident.

That said, the bulk of the blame goes to Karthikeyan IMO. And I'm no fan of Vettel or RB... I'm glad to see their dominance coming to an end as well.

[Edited 2012-03-26 17:32:58]
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:20 am

Quoting flood (Reply 38):

Both are at fault, thats the fact. Thanks for the link. I had only seen it life and one replay which gave me the impression Vettel cut short while Karthikeyan stayed in place. A minor crash which wouldnt have happened if Vettel would have been less hectic. Anyway, Vettels verbal reaction was not worthy of a champion. It was false and arrogant at the same time.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting flood (Reply 38):
as Karthikeyan clearly moved to the right...

Equal opportunity disclaimer- Many will know I am no fan of SV but am also not a fan of NK and believe HRT have no place in F1,

NK was taking the line he committed to sometime earlier and SV drifted wide into that path, perhaps NK could have corrected or lifted a little but it is the overtakers obligation to execute the pass cleanly, SV's move was not the mark of a double world champion and his rant afterwards even less so!

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I have to congratulate both on their 1st place in Malaysia, a car that team and drivers admit is not up to par they managed the conditions and opportunities to score a properly deserved victory.

Perez, what can one say. After Monaco last year it seemed the early brilliance had been knocked out of him, seems he has found it again and we can likely expect much from him in the future. (Even makes orders to not offend the engine partner seem genuine   )

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:26 pm

Quoting na (Reply 32):
Karthikeyan drove on the extreme left, and Vettel cut him, leaving him no option as to go off track or step fully on the brakes.
Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
The "backmarker" was out of the way.. once past an overtaken car it is the overtakers obligation to ensure he is clear before moving back in front, this is the rule on the back lanes of Europe, outback tracks of Australia and on race tracks around the world,

I disagree. A backmarker is supposed to not impede on the progress of the leaders. That's what the blue flags are for. Karthikeyan should've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel back onto the racing line. Even if they were fighting for position, Vettel was a car length ahead. Racing room needs to be given.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
SV screwed this, just as JB did earlier in the race.

Entirely different situation. Button's front wing clipped Karthikeyan's rear wheel as they were fighting for position. Karthikeyan's front wing clipped Vettel's rear wheel as he was being lapped.

Quoting na (Reply 39):
Anyway, Vettels verbal reaction was not worthy of a champion. It was false and arrogant at the same time.

Not the way I see it. The incident was Karthikeyan's fault. Vettel's race was ruined by a backmarker, and as such, he's understandably furious.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
The difference being that the champion that JB is, accepted the blame, put it it behind him and moved on.. the petulant prat from RB blames, as always, others and sulks!!

Bingo, SV didn't handle this situation very well, It seems if he's not at the front - he doesn't do extremely well to get himself there and then hates on everyone who got in his way. While Karthikeyan was at fault so was SV - he knew that NK would allow him to pass he just wasn't patient enough...

He also called out NK saying that NK didn't know where his car was...that argument could be used against him because it was his tyre that got slashed...me thinks that SV didn't know where his car was either.

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This is how I feel about Ferrari - I love their roadcars, I don't like their F1 team that much, although they've changed a bit since Dominicalli took over...for the better I think.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
Not the way I see it. The incident was Karthikeyan's fault. Vettel's race was ruined by a backmarker, and as such, he's understandably furious

I disagree. K let SV enough room to overtake him and SV didn't take advantage of the situation. He ruined his own race. He should have waited until he was clear of the car behind him ... he certainly had the room to do it. Hey, even the best make mistakes every now and then (although most will never admit it)
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
Not the way I see it. The incident was Karthikeyan's fault. Vettel's race was ruined by a backmarker, and as such, he's understandably furious.

I agree that it's clearly NK's fault, as all the replays clearly show. Vettel's actions afterwards failed to make me hate him any less though. NK made a mistake, in wet conditions. It happens. I think maybe he should have this video played to him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okelnRKQSAk
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:09 am

So now Massas performance is so poor that Domenicali need to remind us of how good Massa was 4 years ago. What a sad excuse..........
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:07 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17550940

LOL! Is this the new battle? I kind of agree with NK, it might have been his fault but SV still should man up a bit and put his lip away.

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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
I disagree. A backmarker is supposed to not impede on the progress of the leaders. That's what the blue flags are for. Karthikeyan should've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel back onto the racing line. Even if they were fighting for position, Vettel was a car length ahead. Racing room needs to be given.

Can not see why this still is an issue for some. It happened, get over it. If you like HRT to be on the grid or not has not value to the incident.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 47):
Can not see why this still is an issue for some. It happened, get over it. If you like HRT to be on the grid or not has not value to the incident.

 

It's not about whether I want HRT to be on the grid or not, it's about whose fault the incident was. In my view, the blame lies with Karthikeyan, and thus Vettel was entirely justified in saying what he said.
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RE: F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix

Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 48):
thus Vettel was entirely justified in saying what he said.

He's just like Hamilton; crying like a baby and being a drama queen at slightest setback. Vettel's race was scr-wed from when the lights went out, so this just gave him a nice reason to blame it on someone else. To say what he said is sure not worthy of a 2 time WDC holder.
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