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Vintage Audio...

Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:38 am

... Keeping Analogue alive!!!

Are there any other "vintage" audio fans out there?

I have been an audio buff since early high school, perhaps earlier.
Worked in Audio sales for a decade or so from the mid '70s, missed it greatly but the glory days of real quality "Hi-Fi" gear are pretty much gone for most people.

Recently picked up(inherited) a Nakamichi Amplifier 2 & CDPlayer 4, not bad and plenty of features but they date from the early days of the "black plague" era.

Stepping back, I had been intrigued by the concept of acquiring a traditional tape deck, so with the newly acquired amp I stepped up the search and found this....



$80 on Ebay, and local as well(lost the auction by $3 but the winning bidder dropped out!! )

Took it to friends place where we tried it out, recording(from vinyl) and playing back, biggest problem I encountered was getting it back, he wouldn't let it go!

In my dad's workshop we took the back off to blow the dust and rubbish out, when I told him it was close to 40+ years old he didn't believe me.. must have been kept in a dust proof cabinet.

Heads look almost brand new!

A little detailing and it will be immaculate.

I have to say recording on the TEAC, setting the levels and loading tape etc is a more satisfying process than throwing CD’s at your PC and having iTunes/MediaPlayer rip them to a hard drive… not as convenient, portable or cheap but more rewarding.

Now to find a source for tapes!!!

Now for that turntable.. Must be a good Linn LP-12 waiting for me out there!!

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RE: Vintage Audio...

Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:46 am

Over 8 minutes and still no Superfly?  
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RE: Vintage Audio...

Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:01 am

One of the things you will probably find is that the lube in the volume pots has dried up. This causes them to be either noisy or not work at all. Sometimes you can "fix" them with tuner or contact cleaner, but in my case...an old Technics reel to reel...I had to take the pots apart and remove the old lube with contact cleaner and then relube. This was not easy as they were multi-sectional and soldered to pc boards.

The Technics is a 10 1/2 inch unit and fortunately I have about five tapes for it. Looks like you found a good one...enjoy!

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RE: Vintage Audio...

Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:02 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 1):

Over 8 minutes and still no Superfly?

I'm also quite surprised! Check out sites like http://www.facebook.com/VintageMarantz

http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/mindex.html

There is a ton of great stuff online. Enjoy!
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:13 am

Quoting airtechy (Reply 2):
One of the things you will probably find is that the lube in the volume pots has dried up. This causes them to be either noisy or not work at all.

Had been one of my concerns but at the price was willing to take the risk, they seem fine tho, work as supposed to and no noise I have detected so far.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 1):
Over 8 minutes and still no Superfly?
Thought had crossed my mind as well!  
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:26 am

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):

... Keeping Analogue alive!!!

Are there any other "vintage" audio fans out there?

Count me in!


My rig consist of;

Marantz 4400 quadraphonic receiver
Teac A-3340 quadraphonic reel to reel deck
Denon DP-47 turntable with Sumiko Blue Point moving coil cartridge
Technics SL-1200 I may sale
Marantz 5220 cassette deck
Yamaha K-550 cassette deck
Marantz CD-400B; CD-4 quadraphonic disc demodulator
Superscope by Marantz TD-830 8track cartridge recorder
Techinics 858 quadraphonic 8track recorder
Sony CD player (forgot model#)
Niles Auxiliary switch

I'll be in the market for good speakers. I'm torn between 4 Tannoys or 4 Pioneer CS-903 speakers.

Not sure if these count but here goes;
Pioneer LaserDisc player
RCA Selectavision CED VideoDisc player
Phillips S-VHS recoder
Go/Video S-VHS/DVD combo


Would like to buy;
Two Marantz 510 power amps or two McIntosh vacuum tube power amps.
Luxman PD-444 turntable
Would like to sale or trade my Technics 1200 in favor of a Technics 1300 or Marantz 6300.






Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Recently picked up(inherited) a Nakamichi Amplifier 2 & CDPlayer 4, not bad and plenty of features but they date from the early days of the "black plague" era.

That was Nakamichi's heyday!

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
$80 on Ebay, and local as well(lost the auction by $3 but the winning bidder dropped out!! )

 
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Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
I have to say recording on the TEAC, setting the levels and loading tape etc is a more satisfying process than throwing CD’s at your PC and having iTunes/MediaPlayer rip them to a hard drive… not as convenient, portable or cheap but more rewarding.

  
That is for damn sure!
I enjoy cuing up records, setting record levels, threading reel tape and recording in real time.

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Now to find a source for tapes!!!

You should have been with me in San Francisco 2 years ago when I was unloading some reel-to-reel tapes before my move to Thailand.
I still have a bunch properly stored in California. I may go through my collection next time I am there to and see if there are any I don't want anymore.
There is a lot on ebay but a lot of it is expensive. I'm not in the hobby for the money but I was amazed at how much I was able to get for a few reel to reel tapes and even 8track tapes. I couldn't believe I got $276 for a Dolly Parton 8track tape!  Wow!

stealthz, you may need to take a pilgrimage to California and scavenger through used record stores, thrift shops and yard sales throughout the state. There are still a few goodies you can find for not too much money.

Here are two good websites to get you started and connected with fellow vintage audio enthusiast.

http://www.tapeheads.net/

http://www.classic-audio.com/








http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/Superfly8track/4400quadbrochfw.jpg


I'd love to have two of these;



Or two of these;
http://www.msshifi.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/2/0/2011-05-13-mcintosh-mc2102-tube-amplifier_01.jpg




As far as records & tapes, I have over 4000 LPs, about 300 are audiophile grade half-speed masters. The reel to reel collection is only 200 but I do have about 15 quadraphonic reels which are the pinnacle of analog tape.
Most audiophile do not like 8track tape but it's redeeming value is the titles released in quadraphonic sound. Also the early LearJet stereo 8tracks from 1964-1968 were high-end and have impeccable sound quality.
I have a stash of new old stock, steel sealed blank type IV, METAL bias cassette tape.
I need to build up my blank reel to reel arsenal.
Great to meet more audiophiles and vintage audio collectors.  
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:29 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 1):
Over 8 minutes and still no Superfly?  
Quoting stealthz (Reply 4):
Thought had crossed my mind as well!

I was busy typing up a long post.

Quoting airtechy (Reply 2):
One of the things you will probably find is that the lube in the volume pots has dried up.

I always have lube handy for the older ones that haven't been any action for awhile.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:30 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I always have lube handy for the older ones that haven't been any action for awhile.

Are we still talking about audio equipment?
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:01 pm

Love old stuff!  
Don't have much but I love my two Dual turntables, one 1218 and one 1219. No damn rubberbands to get my vinyls spinning! Fortunately the drive wheels are in rather good shape aven after some 40 years, a new one costs more than the entire turntable  
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RE: Vintage Audio...

Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:37 pm

I mostly collect late 1970s/early 80s mid grade receivers.

Some highlights from my collection:

Pioneer SX-1980, SX-3900, SX-D7000, SX-3800

MCS 3125

Realistic STA-2300, STA-2100D


I am also one of those fools who think records sound better than CDs.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
Are we still talking about audio equipment?

Well of course.  
Quoting johnkrist (Reply 8):
No damn rubberbands to get my vinyls spinning!

Most audiophiles swear by belt-drive but I still prefer direct-drive for that very reason. The belt snaps, wears out and you can't replace it.
The high-end direct-drive turntables are silent.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
Pioneer SX-1980, SX-3900, SX-D7000, SX-3800

Those are all sweet units!  
Another unit you may want to keep an eye out for is the Marantz 2600 receiver.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
Realistic STA-2300, STA-2100D

From time to time, Realistic made some excellent units.
The Realistic TR-803 and TR-801 are one of the more sought after 8track player / recorders.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
I am also one of those fools who think records sound better than CDs.

Well records DO sound better than CDs.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
Are we still talking about audio equipment?

Thought crossed my mind too.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
I am also one of those fools who think records sound better than CDs.

No fool, it's the truth! It's not real if it doesn't hiss and crackle!
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:18 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
It's not real if it doesn't hiss and crackle!

Properly maintained records do not hiss and crackle.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Properly maintained records do not hiss and crackle.

Correct, I was largely being perjorative. If nothing else though, I totally concur with the concept that vinyl sounds better than a CD.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 13):
Correct, I was largely being perjorative. If nothing else though, I totally concur with the concept that vinyl sounds better than a CD.

No problem.
Of course, one can always get one of these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXE5CynXr4A

 

Then there is the high-end record cleaner by DYI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtE0I9d_m0&feature=related
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:36 am

Quoting johnkrist (Reply 8):
Fortunately the drive wheels are in rather good shape even after some 40 years, a new one costs more than the entire turntable

If your idler wheel on your Dual turntable hardens, cracks or just doesn't work right anymore you can have them rerubbered back to like new again for about $30.00(USD). That's far less than the cost of the turntable. Belts for Dual turntables are also pretty easy to obtain. How do I know? I run the http://www.dual-reference.com website. The largest website that deals with Dual turntables on the 'net.

When it comes to turntable drive systems people are definitely divided. Some claim the idler drive is better, others claim belt drive is better and yet another group believes that the direct drive is best. For most people, you can't tell the difference really.
Unless you have "golden ears". But then again are you listening to the music or are you listening to your equipment?

I think around 1984-86 was the hey-day of vintage stereo. After that it seemed that there was a shakeout in the industry where a lot of the top notch stereo manufacturers were bought out by other companies and then ruined. The ones that were left pretty much switched their R&D dollars over to home theater.

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SAE A301 amp
SAE P101 preamp
SAE E101 EQ unit
Dual 701 turntable with Pickering XSV/3000 cartridge
Yamaha CDC 600 CD Player
Luxman K-117 Cassette deck
AR-3a speakers, fully restored.

Tandberg 2075 Receiver
JBL 4311 Control Monitors
Kyocera PL-601 turntable with Ortofon OM20 cartridge
Nakamichi Music Box 2 CD player
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:24 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 15):
AR-3a speakers, fully restored.

Now I am really jealous!!
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 13):
If nothing else though, I totally concur with the concept that vinyl sounds better than a CD.

I bet in a blind test you (along with 99.9% of people) couldn't tell the difference between vinyl and CD.
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:22 am

I think about 50% of the people could. To me vinyl has a depth that CD's don't have. While the CD may sound clear they just sound rather "flat" to me. LP's seem to have more dimension.
Now if you are listening through an old SoundDesign stereo system... Well...
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 18):
While the CD may sound clear they just sound rather "flat" to me. LP's seem to have more dimension.

Often that is due to over mastering of the CD version, here's a clear example of the same track on CD vs vinyl:

http://brianstagg.co.uk/p_t_a_clipressed/precious.jpg

http://brianstagg.co.uk/p_t_a_clipressed/precious_vinyl.jpg

The track is Precious by Depeche Mode, and as you can see the CD version almost flatlines while the vinyl presents all the variations of the wave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts2DXY0zfLs&ob=av2e
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:49 am

I am developing a fetish for vacuum tube power amplifiers. I went to go listen to some brand new McIntosh amps at a high-end audio dealer here in town. They're just so expensive and I would need to buy two if I want to use a quadraphonic set up. My Marantz 4400 has quadaphonic pre-amp line out.
I've read some disturbing news that the tubes are now made in China and Russia and don't sound as good. A set of replacement tubes will still set you back $1000 USD.

Quoting johnkrist (Reply 19):

Good example and that release is from the digital era. I'd be surprised if Depeche Mode would use analog recordings given how cutting edge they were.
I'd like to see some wave test done with some 1970s recordings from Steely Dan, Return To Forever, Styx, Kansas and the Doobie Brothers. The analog recordings from this era really shine and these artist and producers went the extra step to make sure the final product sound superb.
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RE: Vintage Audio...

Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
I am developing a fetish for vacuum tube power amplifiers. I went to go listen to some brand new McIntosh amps at a high-end audio dealer here in town

Fly: whatever you do if you go with the tubes, install a fan/cooling device. Heat buildup is suicide for such vintage classic high end classics. If I could travel back in time with today's money I'd buy top of the line "Saul Marantz" era tube seperates. Marantz was bought by Superscope in the mid 60's but Saul stayed on with the company so this extremely rare equipment is quite valuable and in demand.
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