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Tallest Building In The World Planned For Tucson

Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:08 pm

http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/fitz...0-7ed1-11e1-ac4a-001a4bcf887a.html

"Opponents of the University of Arizona’s proposed expansion of student housing will soon be looking up at the world’s tallest dorm. University Vice President Moses Rump said at a press conference today that Wildcat Sky Dorm will be taller than the famous Dubai skyscraper featured in Mission Impossible XXIII.

The towering skyscraper is the result of a compromise between the University of Arizona and the West University Neighborhood Association. After minutes of painstaking negotiations the University agreed to build one high-rise student housing project rather than scattering hundreds of mini-dorms throughout the west side neighborhood. Rump said,”It’s an effort to preserve the character of the neighborhood to our west and get the granola munchers and NIMBYs off our backs.”

The architects of Dubai-based Leviathan Construction have dubbed their innovative design the Maxi-Dorm. Neighborhood activists have hailed the design as “the best outcome we could have hoped for--under the circumstances.” Construction will begin in July 2012 and is expected to take 3-years. Rump estimated it will cost $1.5 billion to build and says the record-breaking skyscraper will house 40,000 students and 2 security guards on 180 floors. The University is in talks with Davis-Monthan officials who have expressed concern about a colossal tower in the middle of their flight path and the potential for student mischief."


As a current U of A student, I'm not sure if this is gonna put us on the map or just create a giant eye-sore for the city.  
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RE: Tallest Building In The World Planned For Tucson

Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:10 pm

It's a joke. Hence why it is written on a cartoonist's blog.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
As a current U of A student, I'm not sure if this is gonna put us on the map or just create a giant eye-sore for the city.

It makes you a gullible sucker for falling for an April Fool's prank.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:29 pm

Based on who the author is, I'm fairly certain it's a joke. A dorm that size could house every student at the university several times over in a typical 2-to-a-room configuration.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
It makes you a gullible sucker for falling for an April Fool's prank.

Since when does April Fools fall on April 4th (when the article was posted)?
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:34 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
”It’s an effort to preserve the character of the neighborhood to our west and get the granola munchers and NIMBYs off our backs.”

I'm calling BS. No University VP would speak this way in public (and remain a University VP for very long).
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
As a current U of A student

Figures that a Wildcat would fall for this...  
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:21 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
As a current U of A student

Figures that a Wildcat would fall for this...

And as an ASU student, we're questioning why such a building would be built in the armpit of Tucson   
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:46 am

I am impressed you fell for this.

I read the thread title and thought "this will never get accepted since there is a 2,000 foot limit in the USA."

Good to see this is all a joke. Funny to see that someone fell for it.

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:25 am

Well to be honest I did see that it was written in a cartoonists blog right before I posted it...but I just wasn't sure since its past April Fools and a lot of people we're talkin about it today. It would be pretty cool though if it was actually true lol.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:45 am

As someone that is a registered architect, really? From the VP comments about "granolas" to the ridiculous scale in a suburban context, this almost looks like an article that I would see in "theonion.com". Did I actually read a ratio of 20,000 to 1 of students to security? Why bother with the two at all? As someone that has to provide a budget with every project, I do not agree at all with the rationale of spending $1.5B for one structure.

Assuming that Tucson, like most southwest US cities, has a multi-unit residential vacancy rate of 25% or more, that money can't be used to purchase the available stock and provide driving/transportation facilities for students? Please! I lived a converted hotel when I was in college, for two years (1988-89) and it worked out great.

This is a totally absurd solution to the housing issue that has hounded the U of A for 30 years. That a $1.5B investment is being made at the expense of classes and programs at a state university makes me even more outraged. If the academics are not being compromised, what will the university charge students to live there so they can recoup such a capital investment in the shortest feasible period possible? This will be the UGLIEST building in Tucson. It will be an eyesore to the public and such a disgrace.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
I read the thread title and thought "this will never get accepted since there is a 2,000 foot limit in the USA."

What is this 2,000 foot limit?
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 9):
This is a totally absurd solution to the housing issue that has hounded the U of A for 30 years. That a $1.5B investment

Chill out man.........it's just a joke ! Not very funny, but never the less, still a joke. I'm not an architect and I can see about a 100 things that would make such a building completely impossible, never mind totally impractical; for a dorm ?

Even if they did build such a thing, they would need at least 500 armed guards, just to keep all of the base jumpers off of it !

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:17 am

Charley, illinoisman gets that it's a joke. He was being deadpan.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:55 am

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 8):

Well to be honest I did see that it was written in a cartoonists blog right before I posted it...but I just wasn't sure since its past April Fools and a lot of people we're talkin about it today. It would be pretty cool though if it was actually true lol.

It's okay mke717spotter, we've all been there. Don't worry, we're all laughing at you, not with you.  

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 10):

I believe it was originally dictated by the FAA, but no building in the USA can be taller than 2,000 feet. That's why it's unlikely we will see anything much taller than World Trade Center 1 (and certainly nothing as tall as the Burj Dubai.

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:17 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
I believe it was originally dictated by the FAA, but no building in the USA can be taller than 2,000 feet. That's why it's unlikely we will see anything much taller than World Trade Center 1 (and certainly nothing as tall as the Burj Dubai.

Interesting... Thanks for pointing that out. At first I didn't believe it as I had thought the Chicago Spire which was approved and under construction (but was later cancelled) was over 2,000 ft., but I looked it up and it was exactly 2,000 ft. So I did further research and while I still haven't found a specific rule, the general consensus I've seen from my brief research seems to be that this height limit is true.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:26 pm

I believe that there is no ban on any buildings over 2000 ft, but rather the developers need to get special permission from the FAA if they want to build higher, effectively creating a height cap as most developers will probably avoid the added time and cost of the permits.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 1):
It's a joke.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I'm calling BS. No University VP would speak this way in public (and remain a University VP for very long).

Especially one named:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
University Vice President Moses Rump

which for those familiar with architectural and/or city planning history is a clear reference to the famous/infamous Robert Moses.

Dictionary.com lists one definition of "rump" as "the last part, especially that which is unimportant or inferior", so the joke is that this university VP is an inferior version of Robert Moses, which may be a good or bad thing, depending on your point of view.

So, there's an attempt at cleverness there, but one that falls short, IMHO.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:58 pm

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:25 pm

As a UofA alumni I am deeply sorry for the OP's failure to detect the humor in this article, he clearly must be a freshman.



That said high rise dorms were tried and for the most part if the schools that had build them could tear them down they would. Something about putting hundreds of college students in the same small space didn't quite work right. Tough to manage and hard to build any sense of community. Plus the high rise dorms at UofA, at least when I was there, had a reputation of being the party dorms. Especially Coronado, Arizona-Sonora not so much as it was (is it still) one of the Honors dorms.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 19):
That said high rise dorms were tried and for the most part if the schools that had build them could tear them down they would. Something about putting hundreds of college students in the same small space didn't quite work right.

When I was at UConn, one of the high-rise dorms got condemned by the state board of health!

It seems some of the jocks who lived there were animals and they flung fecal matter against the wall. The staff refused to clean it, the state BoH heard about it, did an inspection and condemned the dorm till eventually it was cleaned up.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Wonder if any other structure will be able to beat this.

The $1.2 billion Kingdom Tower, which will stretch 3,280ft into the Saudi Arabian sky, has so far only been illustrated through concept sketches and a rendering showing the bank-busting building from afar.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ds-tallest-tower-Saudi-Arabia.html

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
After minutes of painstaking negotiations the University agreed to build one high-rise student housing project

Get rid of the "minutes of painstaking negotiations line" and it would sound like how some of the crazy decisions are made at places where I used to work.
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RE: Tallest Building In The World Planned For Tucson

Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:52 am

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 9):
I do not agree at all with the rationale of spending $1.5B for one structure.

And people wonder why college tuition is so expensive.  

Now what happens when everyone on the top floor flushes their toilets at the same time.?     
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:40 am

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 9):
As someone that is a registered architect, really? From the VP comments about "granolas" to the ridiculous scale in a suburban context, this almost looks like an article that I would see in "theonion.com".

The Onion would have done a better job.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:05 am

To complete the illusion, there should have been a very convincing artist's impression of the "world's tallest dorm"! A picture is indeed worth a thousand words, after all...

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Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 9):
As someone that has to provide a budget with every project, I do not agree at all with the rationale of spending $1.5B for one structure.

With respect, illinoisman, I don't think it's a matter of cost so much as practicality. 'Return on risk.'

As a chartered surveyor/valuer, I moved back to Melbourne just as the 'highrise office boom' began; and was in the thick of it. From the earliest days, it was clear that the optimum height for a highrise office building was 55 storeys. The reason for this was not construction cost - it was (believe it or not) elevators.

You couldn't properly serve a high building with one bank of elevators; people would have taken up to half an hour to reach their offices in the morning rush. The practice developed of putting in four 'banks' - lowrise, midrise, highrise, and skyrise. Inevitably, they took up a lot of floorspace, particularly low down. The practical height limit turned out to be around fifty floors; so that each bank of lifts served about twelve of them; and there was still scope for adequate lettable office space on the lower floors.

If you wanted to go higher, that would have meant yet more 'rises' of lifts; leading to the lower floors being almost solid lift-shafts. The only other option would have been 'sky-lobbies'; a 'lobby' halfway up where the tenants of higher floors would come out into a second lobby and wait for another elevator to arrive to take them higher. That would have been an adequate 'design solution'; but it made no sense at all in commercial terms, since the people you expected to pay the highest rents would be taking longest to reach their (expensive) offices. Further, it's worth mentioning that they'd likely also have had the least chance of getting out safely in the event of a fire; it would have depended on whether the fire was above or below the sky-lobby........  

There was the odd variation, of course (like shopping centres in the lower 'podium' floors); but the majority of the buildings I was concerned with developing (there were quite a few of them) ended up at or around 55 storeys. For very good reasons.

The elevator problem is the reason why all these 'super-high' buildings end up as (in my view horribly-ugly) pyramidal structures. There's simply no other way of fitting all the required lift-shafts in while still having 'lettable floorspace' in the whole lower half of the buildings concerned, which would have to be solid lift-shafts unless the designers go for the 'pyramidal' option........

So - even though from a different, 'commercial,' angle - I agree with you that such buildings are ugly, totally impractical, and also wildly expensive per sq. metre of lettable floorspace. And should therefore never be built......

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Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting geezer (Reply 11):
Even if they did build such a thing, they would need at least 500 armed guards, just to keep all of the base jumpers off of it !

Me being one of them!!! Damn, that sounds like a fun one!   

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Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
And as an ASU student, we're questioning why such a building would be built in the armpit of Tucson

Because nobody with a right mind would build anything in Maricopa county.   

The accurate part of the original post though is where it says "after minutes of discussion", Tucson city government is almost as bad as the state government.
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