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Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:05 pm

After my last Cummins ISB topic, I started wondering, could Dodge drop a Cummins ISB in their Sprinter?
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:09 pm

I don't think Dodge "owns" the Sprinter anymore. It was a Mercedes platform and as I understand it Mercedes kept it when they split off Chrysler again.

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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
I don't think Dodge "owns" the Sprinter anymore. It was a Mercedes platform and as I understand it Mercedes kept it when they split off Chrysler again.

That pretty much makes the answer no. Plus the Cummins ISB is a HUGE engine, doubt it would fit in the Sprinter's engine bay which fits much smaller I-5 and V6 diesels (depending on the generation).
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:12 pm

Why worry about it, you'll be getting either a Fiat Ducato or Iveco Daily as the next Dodge Ram Van. FYI the Sprinter is a joint venture with VW, their version is called the Crafter.
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:44 pm

Dodge no longer sells the Sprinter, as with the divorce from Daimler, they no longer carried the Sprinter and it is now sold via Mercedes dealerships.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Why worry about it, you'll be getting either a Fiat Ducato or Iveco Daily as the next Dodge Ram Van. FYI the Sprinter is a joint venture with VW, their version is called the Crafter.

Still no announced timetable for that. The Ducato is currently built in Mexico for the Mexican market and that plant will be the likely plant for the Ram variant of it.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/fiat/vans.html

I could see the Ducato has well as the Doblo being sold in the US market, the Daily may end up here is the Ducato sales warrant it. They will definitely need to bring them to market prior Ford's introduction of the Transit (and phasing out of the E-Series).

Chrysler not having a commercial van at this time is costing it potential sales that are ending up with Mercedes, Ford and even Nissan (I'm seeing more and more of the Nissan NV on the roads.).
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:03 pm

Why would anyone want to drop a Cummins into a Sprinter? Every Sprinter I have driven had been powerful and smooth with the Merc engine.

If something isn't broken why try and fix it?
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:41 am

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 5):
Why would anyone want to drop a Cummins into a Sprinter? Every Sprinter I have driven had been powerful and smooth with the Merc engine.

If something isn't broken why try and fix it?



Even Though Chrysler, do not build the Sprinter anymore, and I now realize the ISB would not fit, I think about, if Chrysler still built the Sprinter, and it engine bay could house an ISB, and I think about how powerful of a van the Sprinter would be. It would out do the Chevy Express, Ford E350 or future Transit, and Nissan NV 3500, so that why I would want to put an ISB in a Sprinter.
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 6):
if Chrysler still built the Sprinter

Chrysler never built the Sprinter. It was always built by Mercedes but previously sold under the Dodge name.
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):

Why worry about it, you'll be getting either a Fiat Ducato or Iveco Daily as the next Dodge Ram Van. FYI the Sprinter is a joint venture with VW, their version is called the Crafter.


It's not a joint venture per se. The Sprinter is 100% Mercedes. Mercedes sells Volkswagen the body shells.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I could see the Ducato has well as the Doblo being sold in the US market, the Daily may end up here is the Ducato sales warrant it. They will definitely need to bring them to market prior Ford's introduction of the Transit (and phasing out of the E-Series).

The Doblo has long been confirmed for an early 2013 U.S. launch. The plant that builds it is currently undergoing a $160M expansion to add capacity for North American export.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Still no announced timetable for that. The Ducato is currently built in Mexico for the Mexican market and that plant will be the likely plant for the Ram variant of it.

The Ducato is not currently built in Mexico. Chrysler's Saltillo plant will begin Ducato production next year for the North American market.
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:03 am

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 5):
Why would anyone want to drop a Cummins into a Sprinter? Every Sprinter I have driven had been powerful and smooth with the Merc engine.

If something isn't broken why try and fix it?

Whe just got a Sprinter 316CDI with 163 hp at my work place. It is plenty fast for everything we need, including doing 90mph on the autobahn

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 6):
Even Though Chrysler, do not build the Sprinter anymore, and I now realize the ISB would not fit, I think about, if Chrysler still built the Sprinter, and it engine bay could house an ISB, and I think about how powerful of a van the Sprinter would be. It would out do the Chevy Express, Ford E350 or future Transit, and Nissan NV 3500, so that why I would want to put an ISB in a Sprinter.

Why does a van delivering mail or boxes need more than 150hp? So it can get to the speed limit 0.2s faster than the competitors and save the driver 4m34,3s a day while using $10 more gas? I think they should have put the Viper V10 engine in the Sprinter.
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:14 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It's not a joint venture per se. The Sprinter is 100% Mercedes. Mercedes sells Volkswagen the body shells.

You sure about that, I have always been under the impression that it was jointly designed, rather like the first Sprinter which Mercedes bought from VW, the second generation was jointly developed with Mercedes and they continued the deal with the third.
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It's not a joint venture per se. The Sprinter is 100% Mercedes. Mercedes sells Volkswagen the body shells.

You sure about that, I have always been under the impression that it was jointly designed, rather like the first Sprinter which Mercedes bought from VW, the second generation was jointly developed with Mercedes and they continued the deal with the third.

Yes, I'm fairly certain.

Mercedes designs the body shell, VW buys the bodies, each engineers them individually.
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:24 pm

The funny thing about this, is that the Sprinter replaced the RAM van, which was based off the RAM platform. I bet a new Ram van, could get a ISB shoe horn in it.


I will give a Sprinter it credit though, because I have seen a Sprinter, pull an IC 3900 type D school bus, out of the mud, under both vehicle power.
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):
The funny thing about this, is that the Sprinter replaced the RAM van, which was based off the RAM platform.

Are you trying to say the Sprinter is built on the RAM platform, if you are then you are wrong, it's not.
 
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):
The funny thing about this, is that the Sprinter replaced the RAM van, which was based off the RAM platform.

Are you trying to say the Sprinter is built on the RAM platform, if you are then you are wrong, it's not.

I think you misread him, but he is still equally wrong. The Dodge Ram Van is on its own platform (B-series) that dates back to 1971(!!!). It used a wide variety of 6 and 8 cylinder gas engines that were common to other large rwd Mopars at the time. I doubt the any of the Cummins diesel engines would fit as that thing, even in the small 5.9L form, is a huge heavy engine.
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RE: Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:35 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
The Dodge Ram Van is on its own platform (B-series) that dates back to 1971(!!!).

Like the Ford E-series vans it was a box on wheels, so the only changes necessary were those mandated by changing government regulations.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
It used a wide variety of 6 and 8 cylinder gas engines that were common to other large rwd Mopars at the time. I doubt the any of the Cummins diesel engines would fit as that thing, even in the small 5.9L form, is a huge heavy engine.

Everything from the Slant 6 to the 440 big block V8 was available in the B-series van at one time or another. Since the Slant 6 was fairly long and the 440 was neither particularly narrow nor especially light, I'm thinking that a Cummins diesel could have been made to fit.
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