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Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:17 pm

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The illness and hospitalization of his daughter has forced Rick Santorum to suspend his campaign. Still developing...

[Edited 2012-04-10 11:17:50]
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:19 pm

I read where many were predicting he would do so for this reason. Also ahead of the PA primary and can still save face by not losing that to Mitt.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
The illness and hospitalization of his daughter has forced Rick Santorum to suspend his campaign. Still developing...

CNN seems to confirm at this moment. Awaiting the official announcement.

I wonder if this helps or hinders the Republican party. There is going to be a large portion of upset conservatives over the lack of a true conservative christian gop candidate.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:29 pm

Hmm ... sad to hear about his daughter, but so obvious that he is using this as cover; it has a kind of seedy, shabby veneer to it. There's going to be very few people out there who won't see right through this.

It's a shame really; Santorum gave the Republican Church, sorry campaign, the only little glimmer of humour (uninentionally, of course); it would have been so good to see him as the Republican candidate, but now, not to be unfortunately and somehow I don't see Romney calling him to be his running mate.

How long can it be before Gingrich throws in the towel as well? It must be clear that it's pretty well game over, as far as the nomination is concerned.
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:49 pm

I'm not going to dump on Santorum for this. It's a fact his daughter is having problems. If it happens to also be a convenient way for him to wind down his campaign, so be it.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 2):
I wonder if this helps or hinders the Republican party. There is going to be a large portion of upset conservatives over the lack of a true conservative christian gop candidate.

Perhaps, but not upset enough to vote for Obama.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
How long can it be before Gingrich throws in the towel as well? It must be clear that it's pretty well game over, as far as the nomination is concerned.

I read this weekend where Newt did everything but throw in the towel. He admitted he could not get the number of delegates he needs to win, and he admitted his campaign is about $2M in debt. He also said once Mitt gets to the 1440 delegates, that Newt will be supporting Mitt. Newt has a few campaign appearances he will be making, but he's basically done.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:54 pm

Swell...now I'm forced to vote for the incompetent moron in office now.

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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 5):
Swell...now I'm forced to vote for the incompetent moron in office now.

No one is forcing you to do anything.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
but not upset enough to vote for Obama.

But will they vote for Romney?
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 5):
Swell...now I'm forced to vote for the incompetent moron in office now.

He may be many things, but moron is not one. You don't graduate from Harvard by being a moron.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:30 pm

I believe that Santorum saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, but held back his "suspension" because of the money.

When you look at the "Anyone-But-Willard" crown it is obvious that Rick was attractive. A grand Trans-Vaginal Conservative and one that will probably be at the top of the list when 2016 comes around

But he (along with Mr. Piggy) ate up a lot of Willard's cash, which might impact him in the General Election.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 5):
now I'm forced to vote for the incompetent moron in office now.

As opposed to the one before him. The Bar Stool Pilot who started a war that didn't need t be started? And left us with the Great Recession? The worst economic crisis since the Great Recession? The Black Dude stopped the steep side to a depression, ended the Iraq War, killed OBL (along with an impressive list of other terrorists), brought in the first effort at health care reform in generations, etc.

Willard needs to show me something and I doubt if he will. He will support the Ryan Budget, which will be far from transparent, and run from identifying specific cuts. He will bend a lot when the power branch of the GOP speaks (demands).
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:44 pm

I wanted Santorum, who I consider the most dangerous candidate to get this close to the presidency in a while, to win the nomination. I believe that the majority of Independents and voters in the center would recognize that as bad as Obama is, Rick is so scary they'd be forced to vote for Obama (only way I'd have voted for him), and the results would so embarrass the GOP, that they'd be forced to come back towards center. Dramatically. And the ultraConservatives can reconsider their political egos. With Romney, it'll remain this painful and disgusting status quo. And on my ballot, I will write in Barry from Storage Wars.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 5):
Swell...now I'm forced to vote for the incompetent moron in office now.

If you were thinking about voting for Sontorum why would you vote for Obama over Romney

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 9):
brought in the first effort at health care reform in generations, etc.

"effort" key word, we will see if it passes to be constitutional.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Hmm ... sad to hear about his daughter, but so obvious that he is using this as cover; it has a kind of seedy, shabby veneer to it. There's going to be very few people out there who won't see right through this.

      I do not care if people think this or not, if they bring this up shame on them. It was obvious that he had a long road to try to beat Romney but until his daughter was sick I think we would have at least gone a bit more.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
I'm not going to dump on Santorum for this. It's a fact his daughter is having problems. If it happens to also be a convenient way for him to wind down his campaign, so be it.

     
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting flybaurlax (Reply 6):
No one is forcing you to do anything.

If I do not vote, then I am not doing my part to effect change, and thus, feel that I have no right to complain.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
If you were thinking about voting for Sontorum why would you vote for Obama over Romney

I won't support a Mormon candidate.
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:28 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 2):
There is going to be a large portion of upset conservatives over the lack of a true conservative christian gop candidate.

Romney is a conservative compared to the ideologue that is in office now. I love Mitt... 
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
I won't support a Mormon candidate.

Care to elaborate?
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:31 pm

So with this, what are his chances of being considered for the vice presidency?

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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
I won't support a Mormon candidate.

Well that is your choice of course. I think religion should have very little to do with decisions made in the White House.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
The illness and hospitalization of his daughter has forced Rick Santorum to suspend his campaign

I thought he was too busy resurrecting Himself this weekend to also run? 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
But will they vote for Romney?

It's clear to me that most Santorum and Gingrich supporters will vote for Romney, because when push comes to shove, they see themselves as Republicans.

It's clear to me that most Paul supporters will write in "Ron Paul".

Heck, I may do it too as a protest vote.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
Well that is your choice of course. I think religion should have very little to do with decisions made in the White House.

It shouldn't, However social conservatism in it's present form is derived very much from Religous sources. As such there are many ferverent believers that hold the notion that this country is a christian nation, and that Mormanism is not a part of that foundation.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 17):
It's clear to me that most Santorum and Gingrich supporters will vote for Romney, because when push comes to shove, they see themselves as Republicans.

Possibly, but possibly not. I expect a radical challenge from within the Social Conservative ranks prior to the conventopm, and deep divisions of the party infighting
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 9):


Can you post anything without reverting to name calling and ad-hominem attacks?

While Mr. Santorum's candidacy (or, more correctly, his strong candidacy) concerned me, he did provide a valuable foil for Mr. Romney. Santorum's (and to a lesser extent, the GOP's) real problem was that he took the bait that the media offered him, every time. He allowed them to move the focus from the dismal economy and anemic recovery to social issues. It's for that reason that I would not have supported him as the candidate. Not because of his positions (concerning, some are)...but because he was so easily manipulated by the media and the Democratic Party. He would not have stood a chance against the comparable liars that make up many foreign leaders.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
I won't support a Mormon candidate


So, you're applying a religious test? That's OK, you're allowed to. You're not the government. Just want to be clear. You will not vote for Mr. Romney because he is a Mormon. Knowing full well, that if too many Republicans and Independents feel the same way, we would get stuck with Mr. Obama and his "more flexibility". You would let your prejudice against a religion prevent you from voting for the best candidate. Nice. But, it is your vote, do with it what you will (within the law, of course).

Again, I'm glad that Mr. Santorum is out, whatever his announced reason. I don't think he would have won the general election. Too many people could feel his weakness. Mr. Gingrich is staying in only to garner some kind of power position in a Romney administration. I'm interested to see what he wants, what he's offered and what he gets.

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
So with this, what are his chances of being considered for the vice presidency?


I don't think they're very good. He would be throwing away his excuse, wouldn't he? I think Mr. Romney goes outside the candidate pool for a V.P.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
I'm not going to dump on Santorum for this. It's a fact his daughter is having problems. If it happens to also be a convenient way for him to wind down his campaign, so be it.

Even though I didn't agree with his views, I got to admit that he gave Romney for his money. It's a convenient yet sensible way to bow out.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 20):
It's a convenient yet sensible way to bow out.

My heart goes out to his family for his daughter, in a way only a family with a member in a similar condition can appreciate.

That being said, i have not seem any direct quote from him that he is leaving the campaign because of his daughters condition - and i really hope i don't.

There is no way he would have gotten the nomination, and using this as an "excuse" would only make him that much less palatable to me
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:40 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
If I do not vote, then I am not doing my part to effect change, and thus, feel that I have no right to complain.

Other way around. . .

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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:57 am

Quoting casinterest (Reply 18):
As such there are many ferverent believers that hold the notion that this country is a christian nation, and that Mormanism is not a part of that foundation.

You can also come at it from the other angle. What Mormons claim to believe is fairly described, I think, as bugnut crazy. One might well argue that an individual who claims to believe such insane things does not have the appropriate mental faculties to run a country. Of course, the odd thing is that Mr. Romney, though he claims to believe bugnut crazy things, is pretty obviously not bugnut crazy himself. Which leads one to wonder whether he really believes what he says he does...
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 23):
Which leads one to wonder whether he really believes what he says he does...

I really don't think he does, whereas Santorum absolutely does, and that is scary--though totally unelectable.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:40 am

Quoting windy95 (Reply 13):
Care to elaborate?

Nope. I'd be banned quickly if I did.
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:54 am

To me Santorum's campaign was a mixed bag and probably why he is now out. His main appeal was to the most religious Catholics and Christians as well as strong social conservatives. Some of his statements on issues hurt him as to in party and independent moderates the winning nominee has to have. He may have not been able to get the big corporate - 1%er money that Romney has access to, the big bucks a necessity in today's election. His participation probably pushed Romney to shift a bit to the social conservative side of the party. Gingrich is not a factor anymore and I suspect he will be out in a few weeks. Paul will not be a factor, dropping down to low single digits but for for odd states remaining.

Then again, the primary/caucus process is to come to a consensus of a party candidate for office and that has happened here with Romney the 'winner'.
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:01 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 25):

Quoting windy95 (Reply 13):
Care to elaborate?

Nope. I'd be banned quickly if I did.

Welcome to the club. I'd be banned quickly if I said what I thought about those who vote for Santorum.



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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:15 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 26):
To me Santorum's campaign was a mixed bag and probably why he is now out. His main appeal was to the most religious Catholics and Christians as well as strong social conservatives.

Yep I always said it Obama will not win the repubs will lose...That is what is happening now..I hate Romney but I hate Obama more. Not so much him but his appointments. I will vote against him just to get Holder out. But I think with Romney as the nominee Obummer will win. Sucks that the Romney is the best that the repubs can put up...They deserve to lose really.
 
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter):
The illness and hospitalization of his daughter has forced Rick Santorum to suspend his campaign.

Correction: the illness and hospitalization of his daughter has given Rick Santorum a convenient excuse to suspend his campaign without admitting that he lost the race.

As for his daughter, I do hope she gets better soon.

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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:27 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
Correction: the illness and hospitalization of his daughter has given Rick Santorum a convenient excuse to suspend his campaign without admitting that he lost the race.

Why is the admission that he lost so important?

I saw a video of him and he didn't bring his daughter into it directly, he just said he made the decision over the weekend.

Would it be better if he's doing what Newt is doing now, going around saying he's not going to win because of any fault of his, but because of Mitt's money?

The man walked off the stage. What his parting lines were is not important IMHO.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
What his parting lines were is not important IMHO.

They prove the kind of man that he is. If he was winning, and he left the campaign for her daughter then i would have applauded him.

IF he really said they he left the campaign because of his daughter (even implying it) while having no chance in winning is very low.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
Why is the admission that he lost so important?

Because that's why he's dropping out.

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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 31):

IF he really said they he left the campaign because of his daughter (even implying it) while having no chance in winning is very low.

He didn't mention it at all.

The implication comes via the timing of the announcement, not from anything he said.

Quoting Mir (Reply 32):
Because that's why he's dropping out.

Actually he isn't dropping out, he's "suspending" his campaign, so if Mitt gets struck down by lightening or turned into a pillar of salt, Rick will back in the lead.
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RE: Santorum Suspends Campaign

Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
I do not care if people think this or not, if they bring this up shame on them. It was obvious that he had a long road to try to beat Romney but until his daughter was sick I think we would have at least gone a bit more.

Wasn't his daughter born sick ? Trisomy 18 is nasty...
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