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Arab Man Jailed For Having Sex With A Jewish Girl.

Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:05 pm

Hi!

This is a really old story but I just came across it and I found it really interesting. It concerns the case of an Arab man in Israel who was put under house arrest and then jailed (I think) for "rape by deception". I believe the details were something like this:

This jewish girl sees this guy standing by his motorbike and starts talking to him. He tells him his name is Dodo or something which is apparently a jewish sounding name. Anyway she thinks he is jewish and doesn't know he is arab. They have sex. When she finds out he is arab she tells the court and he is arrested.

It is I think a situation which is as old as time itself. A girl of your race is attracted to someone of another race (although in this case she didn't know that). Personally I think jail is stupid. Guys (not me) lie all the time to get a girl into bed. And girls are attracted to looks, money, success, status irrespective of race. If "your" girls choose to roam you just have to roll with the punches and let them.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajvvFujDt4

Anyway anyone else have any thoughts. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way. It's the first time I've ever seen a case like this before.

Any comments welcome,

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Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
This jewish girl sees this guy standing by his motorbike and starts talking to him. He tells him his name is Dodo or something which is apparently a jewish sounding name. Anyway she thinks he is jewish and doesn't know he is arab. They have sex. When she finds out he is arab she tells the court and he is arrested.

More and more, Israel resembles Nazi Germany. In Nazi Germany, a Jewish man schtupping an Aryan woman would have found himself in jail (or worse).

Not a comparison I draw lightly. I am deadly serious. I'm just waiting for them to start a "final solution" for their "Arab problem."
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
"rape by deception".

If she consented and was eager enough to get laid that easy then she has no one to blame but herself. If this was in any other normal society it would be a non issue. People who wouldnt go out with someone because of their race are ignorant and thank god I dont know anyone like that . Worst still an apparantly ''democratic'' state enforcing this racism / apartheid .

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
More and more, Israel resembles Nazi Germany.

Kind of ironic really you would think the Jews/Israelis would be more compassionate people/race after what they went through seems not .
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:52 pm

Hi!

I would have to disagree with the Israel being Nazi Germany thing. Although I don't agree with jail in this case I do commend them for the most part for standing up for themselves and their ancestral homeland in a region surrounded by many countries who hate them. Personally speaking I am Assyrian. We are the indigenous people of Iraq but we are Christian. We had an empire a long time ago and now we have maybe 15 villages and even that is getting less. The Muslim fanatics want us out of our homeland and bomb our churches and kill our people for being Christian. We are a peaceful people and don't stand up for ourselves and that gets us nowhere. It is the same for many Christians in the middle east at the moment. There are many things I don't like about Israel but in many cases I don't think they are so right wing by choice. If they weren't they would soon be back in diaspora again.

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Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:03 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):
It is the same for many Christians in the middle east at the moment

You are indeed correct . Christians are being persecuted in Egypt/Lebanon/Iraq/Iran etc... Israel models itself as a modern democratic state so should be held accountable to certain standards. Jailing an Arab because he had sex with a Jew totally goes against any democratic values.

If you or I decide to have sex with someone based on what we know about them or what we dont know about them then thats our own fault. We all make choices in this life and you cant blame others because it was the wrong one.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
Personally I think jail is stupid.

Putting people in jail for having sex with another consenting adult isn't something that civilized societies do. It's disappointing that this would happen in Israel in this day and age.

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Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Kind of ironic really you would think the Jews/Israelis would be more compassionate people/race after what they went through seems not .

You'd think we'd learned that lesson, wouldn't you? You would think...

It's always fine to BE the bully.

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Putting people in jail for having sex with another consenting adult isn't something that civilized societies do.

And yet, in 2003, Texas did just that and it took a Supreme Court case to undo it.  
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:38 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Texas did just that

Mir did specifically say "Civilised societies"  
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:58 am

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
A girl of your race is attracted to someone of another race (although in this case she didn't know that).

What's worse is that Arabs and Jews are essentially of the same "race."

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
It's disappointing that this would happen in Israel in this day and age.

It is, however, unsurprising.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:37 am

I don´t know why, but I have to think about the Nuremberg Laws for the Protection of the Aryan Race of 1936:

Quote:

The Laws for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour

(September 15, 1935) Moved by the understanding that the purity of German blood is essential to the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the uncompromising determination to safeguard the future of the German nation, the Reichstag has unanimously resolved upon the following law, which is promulgated herewith:

Section 1

Marriages between Jews and citizens (German: Staatsangehörige) of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they were concluded abroad.
Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.

Section 2
Extramarital sexual intercourse between Jews and subjects of the state of Germany or related blood is forbidden.

(Supplementary decrees set Nazi definitions of racial Germans, Jews, and half-breeds or Mischlinge --- see the latter entry for details and citations and Mischling Test for how such decrees were applied. Jews could not vote or hold public office under the parallel "citizenship" law.)

Section 3
Jews will not be permitted to employ female citizens under the age of 45, of German or kindred blood, as domestic workers.
Section 4

Jews are forbidden to display the Reich and national flag or the national colours.
On the other hand they are permitted to display the Jewish colours. The exercise of this right is protected by the State.

Section 5

A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 1 will be punished with hard labour.
A person who acts contrary to the prohibition of Section 2 will be punished with imprisonment or with hard labour.
A person who acts contrary to the provisions of Sections 3 or 4 will be punished with imprisonment up to a year and with a fine, or with one of these penalties.

Section 6
The Reich Minister of the Interior in agreement with the Deputy Führer and the Reich Minister of Justice will issue the legal and administrative regulations required for the enforcement and supplementing of this law.
Section 7
The law will become effective on the day after its promulgation; Section 3, however, not until 1 January 1936.

Later these laws were extended to include Slavs (Poles, Czechs, Russians, etc.) and Gypsies and the the punishment was extended to capital punishment.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:41 am

Does not astonish me. The Israeli have lost the sense for real dangers, and are destroying civil liberties by the dozens.

There are even laws forbidding Jews to marry Arabs. The reason behind this is, as so often, "security". By the way of marriage, Arabs could get Israeli passports, and the police and the army would have problems distinguishing the people.

I really thought marriage laws based on race affiliation would be the Nazi way to do things.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:49 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
Some of the sharpest critics I know of contemporary Israel and her government are liberal Jews. They generally don´t challenge the right of Israel to exist, but they critizise the constant encroachment of religious fundamentalists on civil liberties and the treatment of the Arabic population.

The *really* funny twist is that the idea of founding a Jewish state was harshly criticized by orthodox Jews in the 1910ies and 1920ies because Jews should wait until the second coming of the messias. There were strong voices that Jews should adapt to life in the various countries as a minority, because it was the destiny set out hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:52 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Kind of ironic really you would think the Jews/Israelis would be more compassionate people/race after what they went through

Well, that's where you think wrong. Nobody gets compassionate after going through what the Jews went through during the holocaust. You get bitter and determined to prevent yourself from getting in that position ever again, not even mentioning the feelings of revenge.

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):
If they weren't they would soon be back in diaspora again.

You hit the nail on the head. Everything the Israelis did since 1948 comes back to one single phrase "Never again!". I am not saying that's right or wrong, but it shouldn't come as a surprise..
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:05 am

cultural differences? lol...they both worship the same god and all that crap.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:25 am

The "Rape by deception" was a plea bargain, down from charges of violent rape. The girl apparently was taken to the hospital after her encounter, and doctors confirmed the abuse.

But that said, this is a seriously messed up woman.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11329429
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 12):
Well, that's where you think wrong. Nobody gets compassionate after going through what the Jews went through during the holocaust. You get bitter and determined to prevent yourself from getting in that position ever again, not even mentioning the feelings of revenge.

You know, the Arabs weren't the ones who committed those crimes.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:37 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):

What's worse is that Arabs and Jews are essentially of the same "race."

Exactly.   If you can't tell your sex partner is of a different "race", then chances are he or she isn't, actually.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
You know, the Arabs weren't the ones who committed those crimes.

But they were big fans of Hitler, and did try to help. They fielded an Islamic combat division under the SS, known as the Hanzar SS Division.

http://www.case.edu/artsci/jdst/reviews/Nazi.htm

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http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html#hitler

[quote]aj Amin al-Husseini, the most influential leader of Palestinian Arabs, lived in Germany during the Second World War. He met Hitler, Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders on various occasions and attempted to coordinate Nazi and Arab policies in the Middle East.

Record of the Conversation between the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem on November 28, 1941, in the Presence of Reich Foreign Minister and Minister Grobba in Berlin.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:58 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):

Yeah, nice use of neutral sources.   
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Yeah, nice use of neutral sources.

Oh come on, this has been common knowledge for years. The Grand Mufti, Hanzar, all that really did happen - the Germans are fastidious record-keepers and it's all been documented.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:14 pm

So what about the hundredthousands of Muslims from British-India and East and West Africa who fought valiantly with the British forces, including in Europe?

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:22 pm

I hope she was a good lay, it would be annoying to go to gaol if the sex was crap.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 10):
By the way of marriage, Arabs could get Israeli passports, and the police and the army would have problems distinguishing the people.

There are already many Arabs with Israeli passports, proper middle eastern jews look pretty much like Arabs. Over 20% of the population aren't jewish, most of that 20% are Muslim Arabs.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
People who wouldnt go out with someone because of their race are ignorant and thank god I dont know anyone like that

I do know people like that, and both races in question are ethnically the same, just nationality different.

They are South Africans living in the UK, and won't date anyone other than other South Africans. Fortunately, not all are like that, otherwise I wouldn'd have my wife!

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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:30 pm

Any notion of punishment in the circumstances described is beyond moral repugnance.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
More and more, Israel resembles Nazi Germany. In Nazi Germany

In this context, a spot-on observation.

This is akin to jailing me after sex because I put on spectacles instead of the contacts I wore the night before, or because I tell the girl I am 33 instead of 34, or whatever. It beggars belief. It is just.....sick.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:39 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 23):
Any notion of punishment in the circumstances described is beyond moral repugnance.

Yep.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 23):
This is akin to jailing me after sex because I put on spectacles instead of the contacts I wore the night before, or because I tell the girl I am 33 instead of 34, or whatever. It beggars belief. It is just.....sick.

That is a fantastic point.

Could go the other way for women. Doesn't look the same without makeup? Slammer. Breasts fake? Pokey. Not a natural blonde? Big house.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):

I know. The law targets the population of the West Bank and Gaza, because the Arab citizen of Israel obviously have Israeli passports already.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:11 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
That is a fantastic point.

I thank you.   

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Could go the other way for women

Yes indeed. She tricked me into having sex by borrowing a friend's dress which makes her look nicer than she really is. Get your ass to jail missy.....
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:19 pm

This whole thing reminds me of the Duke case. Messed up woman, that will cause more trouble in the future. The guy in this case though is still a scumbag as he was married.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 27):
The guy in this case though is still a scumbag as he was married.

Yeah, makes him a sleaze perhaps, but who knows? No reason to chop his legs off....
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
I don´t know why, but I have to think about the Nuremberg Laws for the Protection of the Aryan Race of 1936:

I know exactly why and I agree.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Could go the other way for women. Doesn't look the same without makeup? Slammer. Breasts fake? Pokey. Not a natural blonde? Big house.

      

Quoting casinterest (Reply 27):
The guy in this case though is still a scumbag as he was married.

Yes, but if being a scumbag were illegal, a good 25% of the population would be in jail.
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:42 am

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Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
a good 25% of the population would be in jail

Only 25%?   

On a more serious note, isn't the above an act of anti semitism?

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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 31):
On a more serious note, isn't the above an act of anti semitism?

Leaving aside for the moment that Arabs are also Semites, how so?
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 32):
Leaving aside for the moment that Arabs are also Semites, how so?

Any action, discrimination or even words against Jews is considered as such, i presumed the same should apply for Arabs, being Semites and being discriminated against.
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