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2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:14 am

2014 Ford Mustang coupe


According to the Wall Street Journal, Ford Motor executives have stated that the current Ford Mustang's "retro-styling" (looking like a modern 1967-1970 Mustang) is kaput. Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar. Therefore, Ford has decided to update the old-school Mustang with a large amount of new "Kinetic" styling, similiar in theme to the Mondeo, Focus, and Fiesta. The Ford Evos concept vehicle shown above in an official Ford photo is said to be "very close" to the styling of the new Mustang. I agree that the Evos looks a lot more Aston Martin than Focus, but somehow I like the looks of the current Mustang and am very sorry to see Ford walk away from the Mustang's history. Hopefully, this is not another "Ford Probe" fiasco - as this next-generation Mustang will be sold internationally, including right-hand drive countries. No word on powertrains as of yet, although RWD is almost a guarantee. But V-8 powered versions may only be special editions (like Shelby variants) however, thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/20...eover-what-does-ford-have-in-mind/

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:04 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old,

51 is the new 21.  
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway. Our young boys are being taught poetry and trained to talk about his emotions and our young girls are encouraged to join the football team. Anything that is considered masculine is shunned and people are supposed to aspire to want a bus pass.
So it's no wonder that things that were traditionally considered 'fun' such as fast cars are not selling well with the younger crowd.
People are living longer now so having 51 years old as your average age of customer isn't as bad as it was 30 years ago.
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

Don't get me started!   
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

I'll go a few steps further:

It looks like utter CRAP.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
I like the looks of the current Mustang

  

The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:20 am

I like the move away from the retro look, but Ford should do better than this. It really looks to me more like a next-gen Probe than a Mustang, it needs a little more length. While I like the attempt at a fastback, it needs to be more pronounced (flare those rear wheel arches out a bit and pinch the hatchback), because at the moment it looks like an Aston Martin Veloster. Aston Martin copies their own styling enough, they don't need Ford doing it too.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:28 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
It looks like utter CRAP.

It looks pretty good if you ask me, but that's no Mustang. Retro styling works well for muscle cars - Ford can tweak it if they want, but they should have stuck with the general principle. That just looks like an Aston that it could never compete with.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:43 am

That car looks FWD, if you translate that styling over to a RWD platform the bonnet is going to get longer, it's will probably look ok.
 
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:01 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Ford can tweak it if they want, but they should have stuck with the general principle.

Fix the fastback at the rear and square up that grille and they'll probably have a pretty decent Mustang.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:24 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Probe......it needs a little more length.

Oh boy. 


The Probe has a hardcore group of followers. I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.
Perhaps Ford could build this car along side the existing Mustang and call this new blob-car the Probe.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:32 am

Have they hired Ian Callum again?
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:34 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.


I'll go a few steps further:

It looks like utter CRAP.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
I like the looks of the current Mustang



The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago

The current retro stang including the 2010 face lift is a classic and proves that all is not lost when it comes to automotive styling. And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.
I had a 1974 Mustang II Ghia 6 cylinder. That was the one year of the Mustang II where it looked like a Mustang. In the 1975-1978 years the coupe got an opera window look which made the car look stubby. Yes, I know the Mustang II was a performance flop but at least it had cool lines with the exception of the pudgy 1975-1978 coupes. Many will vehemently disagree with me but the too long 1979 to 2004 Mustang looked like a souped up Fairmont. That generation overstayed it's welcome by a good 10 years. The following generation Mustang was a step in the right direction but, I loathed that imitation of the Corvette dash. Made the car look like a chick's car.
As others have mentioned, the proposed style looks like a Ford Probe mixed with a Honda Accord coupe. And, they better not again ditch the Mustang/horse logo. The new proposed Mustang also may take us back to that first generation Escort fugly little so called sport coupe with the froggy headlights and face/grille. Not to be nationalistic but, the Mustang Is Not a World Car! Only thing worse would be to make it a crossover SUV puker on wheels.
Ford, you have a winner with the current Mustang. If I were to restyle it, I'd maybe incorporate some of the early Fox era styling cues but more fluid, and aerodynamic. The first few years of the "Fox" platform Mustang were OK looking but once they dropped the coupe it got stale and was a fave with the redneck steroid boys thinking they were men. A compromise as I said would be freshen up the classic tail lights and grille but incorporate some of the Fox generation and if Ford has that much of a hard on for a world car, let the UN version not be called a Mustang and look more like a communist lover's hybrid looking blob globalist chariot.

For the world version just call the damn thing Globalist or Illuminati!

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:40 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Fix the fastback at the rear and square up that grille and they'll probably have a pretty decent Mustang.

Maybe. The whole Kinetic styling thing is basically just borrowing from the people who design the Fords for the European market. That's fine when it's family cars, because the Europeans do those very well, but there should be nothing European-inspired about the Mustang (at least not visibly). They'd have to make some serious changes to that design before I could say it looks right.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:53 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
In the 1975-1978 years the coupe got an opera window look which made the car look stubby. Yes, I know the Mustang II was a performance flop but at least it had cool lines

I like the Ghia versions of those Mustang IIs.
Especially in dark navy blue with chamois landau notchback roof, luggage rack on trunklid, matching interior and color coded aluminium rims complete with white walls, quad 8track player and of course the powerglass moonroof. That's when you drop drop in a Mark VII LSC 5.0 liter V8 (same block the available 302) and you have one smokin' chick car.  
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
Many will vehemently disagree with me but the too long 1979 to 2004 Mustang looked like a souped up Fairmont.

Well it was a souped up Fairmont.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
Made the car look like a chick's car.

A cool chicks car.   

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
if Ford has that much of a hard on for a world car, let the UN version not be called a Mustang and look more like a communist lover's hybrid looking blob globalist chariot.

You tell 'em!

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):

I just remember his last day at work was when he posted photos of his Probe at his cubicle. Never seen the guy since.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

Oh Hell No!

Probe? Isn't that an instrument a doctor sticks up your ass?   
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:02 pm

Two good things about the current Mustang:

1) Styling
2) Those lights on the dash that you can change to different colors

Everything else is horrible compared to the previous version. Now they're going to take the former away. Seems like a bad idea.

Having said that I do think if you want a classic Mustang then that's what you should buy, rather than some crappy imitation. As soon as circumstances allow (mid life crisis?) I intend to do exactly that.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.

Is this the one?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/highlights/frontpage/flipper/2014-ford-mustang-sedan/2822394-2-eng-US/2014-ford-mustang-sedan.jpg
 
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
Is this the one?

That was an April Fool's Teaser from Car and Driver.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

From what I've read, the new Mustang model is scheduled to be launched on April 17, 2014 (50 years from the date the original Mustang was launched) as either a 2014-1/2 or 2015 model. The 2014 model that will be launched a year from now will essentially be a carry-over of the current generation.

While I knew that the retro-themed styling (I like the style of the 2005-2009s) was on its way out with the next restyle; Ford would be extremely stupid not to keep the basic elements that make a Mustang a Mustang.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
No word on powertrains as of yet, although RWD is almost a guarantee. But V-8 powered versions may only be special editions (like Shelby variants) however, thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

From what I've read in other articles regarding the next Mustang:
RWD - yes.

V8 availability - special editions and GTs; although an Ecoboost V6 GT may be offered alongside the standard V8 GT.

After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

New model will be smaller in size than the current model. I'm assuming that it will be sized similar to the '79-'04 models.

Also, the solid rear-axle (which was originally planned to be dropped in the 2005 redesign but kept due to production costs) will be ditched as well.

I'm hoping the next 2014.5/2015 Mustang does not look like the above-Evos concept. We shall see.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
The first few years of the "Fox" platform Mustang were OK looking but once they dropped the coupe it got stale

Zip, if by coupe you mean notchback; it remained through 2004 (the hatchback was dropped in 1994) until the current fastback look rolled out in 2005.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar. Therefore, Ford

Based on that picture, they are going after 60+ year olds.
That car looks like a Cadillac on steroids.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:21 pm

2014 is going to be a huge year for Mustang and Ford since it celebrates its 50th Anniversary, and Ford has been doing an amazing job over the years not only in bringing back the retro look for the Mustang, but also bringing out some great re-builds of some classic mustangs such as the 2001 and 2008 Bullitt, 2003-2004 Mach 1 and the current Boss 302 ... Shelby of course with the current GT500 and the limited GT500H, GT500KR and GT350. Also, Ford has really been going after the aftermarket upgrade market in recent years, I seriously doubt that Ford is seriously condisdering such a radical departrure from the current Mustang design to a Genesis knock-off.

Ford tried killing off the Mustang twice already, fortunatly the revolt amongst the huge Mustang fan base was big enough for Ford to listen and I'm pretty sure they're not regretting that decision. Mustang still has many, many, many young buyers but they're buying older used models because they can't afford the newer GTs let alone Shelbys. My 2004 GT had a sticker price of $35000 CDN compared to almost $50000 CDN for a 2012 GT, the Shelbys are pushing $70000 CDN and with them going to 650hp next year, I'm sure they'll hit the $70000 CDN mark. And to be honest, buying a used 99-04 New Edge or even an early (05-08) S197 and dropping a new 5.0L Coyote crate engine from Ford would be cheaper than buying a new GT.

Ford has a huge and very loyal customer base with the Mustang and while I do agree that the retro look may have reached its peek I'm very sure that Ford will end up loosing more Mustang buyers by launching such a ridiculous design as opposed to keeping the Mustang a Mustang.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
My 2004 GT had a sticker price of $35000 CDN compared to almost $50000 CDN for a 2012 GT

Your GT must've had a lot of options and extras. According to Ford's website, the starting price of the 2013 GT is $30,300.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
Your GT must've had a lot of options and extras. According to Ford's website, the starting price of the 2013 GT is $30,300.

My price is in CDN dollars, my 04 GT Vert (automatic unfortunatly) came in at just over $35000 CDN new, a comparable model now is at $48000 CDN and thats not even adding more newer options. So for $48000 CDN I can buy a new GT or get a used 08 GT500 for $6-$8000 less and that is where the younger buyers are going.

Also, I've never purchased a car in the US so I can only speak for the Canadian marketplace, but unless you're buying online, finding a base model at a dealership will be very difficult, they're almost always ordered with various packages and upgrades.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:53 pm

How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:19 pm

At first glance, it made me think Aston-Martin....

Personally, I've never been a fan of Mustangs in general so don't care what they do with it.
 
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:45 pm

One thing it needs to keep - the beautiful sounds of true dual exhaust.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

Then they need to cut the price. In half.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
t looks like utter CRAP.

I imagine it will get sharpened up a bit. It looks part Aston, part Jag - two nameplates Ford owned until very recently.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago.

Totally. I've actually liked the looks since the big redesign in 1994. They were ugly as sin between that and the Mach 1/Boss 302 era.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
The Probe has a hardcore group of followers. I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.

The Probe was an utter pile of crap.

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):

LOL

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I just remember his last day at work was when he posted photos of his Probe at his cubicle. Never seen the guy since.

Once again:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Yeah, that should be illegal.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Also, the solid rear-axle (which was originally planned to be dropped in the 2005 redesign but kept due to production costs) will be ditched as well.

Thank goodness. This is a change I like.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):

How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

Exactly. Young people simply can't afford cars at these prices. Its unsurprising their average age has crept up.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Yeah, that should be illegal.

Again, blame CAFE for that.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
My price is in CDN dollars

Oops, my bad. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware there was that much of a difference between CDN vs. USD then and now.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
unless you're buying online, finding a base model at a dealership will be very difficult, they're almost always ordered with various packages and upgrades.

Every now and then, one might find a base model without all the toys in the lot as a price leader; but, I agree finding a lesser-equipped one can take some time or may warrant a factory order.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
One thing it needs to keep - the beautiful sounds of true dual exhaust.

Given that all Mustangs since 2011 have duals; my guess is that duals will continue for at least the V6 and V8 models.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

What age bracket exactly is Ford defining as a youth-oriented market? They had to have known that the average age of a new Mustang would go up because of its higher price not to mention that there's been a little thing out there for the last few years called a Recession. That's likely to turn buyers (younger ones in particular) away from purchasing new vehicles period.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Again, blame CAFE for that.

No. I blame Ford's inability to innovate. That's especially true if they can't average out a lower volume car like this.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Oops, my bad. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware there was that much of a difference between CDN vs. USD then and now.

There isn't. Car companies rip off Canadians. That's the problem.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Again, blame CAFE for that.

No. I blame Ford's inability to innovate. That's especially true if they can't average out a lower volume car like this.

That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models.

EPA ratings for V6 2013 Mustang are as follows:

Automatic (fastback model): 19 city/31 highway/23 combined
Automatic (convertible model): 19 city/30 highway/23 combined
Manual: 19 city/29 highway/22 combined

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...ake=Ford&model=Mustang&srchtyp=ymm

CAFE Passenger Car Figure for the 2013 model year: 33.3 mpg.

Since either the combined rating or an city/highway average for a particular model is what's factored in the CAFE equation for each vehicle sold; one can clearly see that even a V6-powered Mustang falls short of the CAFE figure. That's why the 4-banger is returning on the base (rental car-like) models.

Since you're so quick to jump down on Ford's inability to innovate; name me one gasoline-powered V6-engined car that averages 33 mpg.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:13 pm

OK. Ford, if this is their final call will be blowing off all the Muscle Car funness.  
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 16):
ased on that picture, they are going after 60+ year olds.
That car looks like a Cadillac on steroids.

As mentioned 51 is the new 21 or at least 31. Not to dis today's youth but such cultural crap as Maroon 5 and reality TV is shall we say anything but sophisticated. That design to appeal to Europeans is like trying to shove men's soccer down our throat. We are not France, Italy or Spain. If I were Ford, I'd appeal to the Chinese and try to sell the current generation stang to them. A step up from those fugly blob Buicks. The Mustang is an American icon. Keep it that way. Ford has enough models to suit the globalist Fiat SUV, Crossover buyers. Call the above design Probe II or better yet call it the Ford Soccer for all those male soccer fanatics. They will buy them like hotcakes.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:50 pm

The car is OK, but Ford's crazy to stick the Mustang name on it.
It ain't a Mustang, so call it something else, for f'sake.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 25):
That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models.

Yet it has become one, largely because of an inflating price and changing tastes.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

LOFL.

Yup, there are so few people 55+, and they have so little money. Just no opportunities there. Definitely urban, young people have all the money. And they are totally into Mustangs.     
 
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway. Our young boys are being taught poetry and trained to talk about his emotions and our young girls are encouraged to join the football team. Anything that is considered masculine is shunned and people are supposed to aspire to want a bus pass.
So it's no wonder that things that were traditionally considered 'fun' such as fast cars are not selling well with the younger crowd.
People are living longer now so having 51 years old as your average age of customer isn't as bad as it was 30 years ago.
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

Ok, I'll bite.

While I wasn't government educated and never had to participate in female's activities, I wasn't a football player either. Frankly, though, I don't see a reason to get a fast car. 90% of my driving is in rush hour, so I'd prefer something comfortable instead. I got a brand new, decked out accord. I know you probably just spit your coffee out  . I just needed something to get me from A to B comfortably without any fuss with over the top maintenance or major repairs. Oh, and I'm sure I fall in the category of 'kid' (I still think I do, so I'm not offended) at 22. I would have gotten a BMW 5 series, except the insurance would have been four times of what it costs me now. No thanks.

I had to laugh, though - a middle-aged gentlemen in a college class a while ago made a broad sweeping motion and said all of "them" don't plan for the future and that we are, in a word, stupid. It was a room full of college students. He said none of us were planning ahead and in a constant "me, me, me" state of mind.

I agreed with him, for the most part, but also was a little miffed that nobody gives credit to the few who do take care of themselves and plan for the future. I asked him what his stock portfolio looked like when he was 22, and he said it didn't exist, so I told him to politely shut the hell up because he had no right to be talking like that if he wasn't putting away $25k a year when he was my age.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW. Funny enough, everything SuperFly said is true, except that I think he is focusing on the masculinity part too much. Kids these days are taught to be average and that they will be given what they need. Thankfully my education taught me differently - to go get what I need and take initiative and most of all, be prepared.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 27):
As mentioned 51 is the new 21 or at least 31. Not to dis today's youth but such cultural crap as Maroon 5 and reality TV is shall we say anything but sophisticated.

And that is true, but I would focus your disgust on the "me" culture and the race to the bottom where anybody 'smart' is regarded as worse than the average kid. Not to mention the babying and the thought that whatever you need will be handed to you on a golden platter.

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And no, I don't come from extraordinarily wealthy parents, nor did I have rich grandparents that paid for some fancy schools.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW.

Right, but some of us don't have the pliable 21 year old bodies that bring such a pretty penny. Or, is there a "job" 22 year olds do for six figure incomes? Interested.
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:39 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW.


Daddy's money? Most 21 years olds are still in college or saving to buy their own furniture, housing, and bling, etc. Some parents would give their last penny to their kids if they knew it would make them happy. Then there are the student loans that usually have to be repaid.



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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:00 am

Ford thought to replace the Mustang with the Probe...failed. They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed....

They need to really think this through. If they want to market this to younger people they need to offer a low cost performance model, or just keep it a premium performance unit and keep selling them to folks between thirty and sixty five...

I'd love to see a twenty five thousand dollar, well equipped unit. Just don't see it happening.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:01 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Yet it has become one, largely because of an inflating price and changing tastes.

While sales are not what they once were it still is hardly a low volume car. They sold a little over 70,000 of them last year (57th best selling car), more than the Fiesta for example, which is hardly anything to sneeze at. You also have to consider that they now have competition with the Camaro, which sold a little over 88,000 cars, and the Challenger, which had slightly less than 40,000 sales, and you can still see the market segment is an important one.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 34):
They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed....

While the Mustang II is looked backed by Mustang enthusiasts as a failure, at the time it was a sales success.

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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 32):
Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW.

Right, but some of us don't have the pliable 21 year old bodies that bring such a pretty penny. Or, is there a "job" 22 year olds do for six figure incomes? Interested.

Finance for one. Around 40% of people from my university (MIT) end up in finance for some amount of time because they just can't pass up the money. Averaging starting salary for engineers with a BS out of here is around 65-70K. Kids going into finance often and easily make in the 6 figures, according to our 2011 graduation survey, the largest salary for people entering finance or management was $200,000
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway.

Tell me about it. They buy cars because rapping hamsters tell them to...

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
It looks like utter CRAP.

Doesn't look like a Mustang.

Quoting slider (Reply 21):
At first glance, it made me think Aston-Martin....

I thought it was the Jaguar copy-cat look of the AM. Maybe Ford misses Jaguar?

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Manufactured Energy crisis, take 2

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 25):
Since you're so quick to jump down on Ford's inability to innovate; name me one gasoline-powered V6-engined car that averages 33 mpg.

That's not how CAFE is calculated anyway. The mustang, much like the Corvette, has about CAFE average economy. This is because the CAFE # is inflated.
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 37):
That's not how CAFE is calculated anyway. The mustang, much like the Corvette, has about CAFE average economy. This is because the CAFE # is inflated.

It also should be noted that the CAFE fuel economy standards are different from the ones you see on the label anyways; they are not adjusted for real world conditions (in other words a car is more fuel efficient in terms of CAFE than what appears on the fuel economy label of the car when you try to buy it).
 
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:24 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway.

Actually I don't appreciate cars because they are the worst investment you can make with your money. Would you invest in a stock that loses 15% the instant you press "buy"? And then never do anything buy drop in value?? And some of my friends think like me. So there are many reasons the new generations are not that into cars (not confuse with not being interested about cars, I still like talking about them and the design and specs).

Gasoline being 4 to 5 time more expensive for us "21" generation compared to your time doens't help either.

No thanks. I love how they look (like a good diamond), and talking about them, but have no use for losng so much money. I'm ok with a little compact.
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:25 am

Appears that I am in the minority. I Love the look of the new Mustang.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:16 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

That's the price for the GT convertible with every feature. The base V6 hardtop is still about $20,000.

Quoting Derico (Reply 39):
Actually I don't appreciate cars because they are the worst investment

Cars aren't and "investment", they are a liability.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
I got a brand new, decked out accord. I know you probably just spit your coffee out

No, there is nothing wrong with that. It is made in the USA after all and is UAW approved.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
I had to laugh, though - a middle-aged gentlemen in a college class a while ago made a broad sweeping motion and said all of "them" don't plan for the future and that we are, in a word, stupid. It was a room full of college students. He said none of us were planning ahead and in a constant "me, me, me" state of mind.

Sounds like he was speaking about his own mistakes. Lecturing to others is his form of therapy.


Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
Funny enough, everything SuperFly said is true, except that I think he is focusing on the masculinity part too much.

Mainly because the Mustang along with other fast cars is a masculine interest which is frowned upon by today's so called educators. Hence why the average age of the Mustang is oldest it's ever been.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
The Probe was an utter pile of crap.

Not sure if innuendo or just regular conversation

I'm sure his Probe has seen a lot of crap.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:38 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
From what I've read, the new Mustang model is scheduled to be launched on April 17, 2014 (50 years from the date the original Mustang was launched) as either a 2014-1/2 or 2015 model. The 2014 model that will be launched a year from now will essentially be a carry-over of the current generation.

No official word yet from Ford Motor, but a 2014 1/2 Mustang model would be the perfect 50th anniversary designation.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
What age bracket exactly is Ford defining as a youth-oriented market? They had to have known that the average age of a new Mustang would go up because of its higher price not to mention that there's been a little thing out there for the last few years called a Recession. That's likely to turn buyers (younger ones in particular) away from purchasing new vehicles period.

Here's the problem with young buyers - more and more under 18-21 year old Americans DON'T even have a drivers license. They communicate through social media more than driving to a friend's place, or a bar, or whatever. Approximately 80 percent of 18-21 year old Americans have a driver's license now, down from a 95+ percentile licensing rate 15 or 20 years ago. Not all young folks today WANT to drive - it's too expensive, it can be seen as bad for the environment, and well, there's social media! Also, young people for the past 10-15 years are saddled with huge amount of higher education DEBT - thus killing off their new-car buying power. Sad, but very true. My niece and nephew are both in their mid-twenties and are in this EXACT situation, paying for college loans and (my nephew) driving a 10 year old Jeep. My niece lives near Washington and uses the Metro everyday - she can't afford apartment rent, student loans, work clothes, and a car payment as a new college grad.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 25):
That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models.

Mustang only sold 70,000 units last model year, about 1/2 of what Ford sold 4 or 5 years ago - and a large percentage of those 70,000 Mustangs sold went to major car rental fleets as convertibles. Yes, the economy has had a negative effect on sales - but Ford now has strong competition from Camaro, Challenger, Genesis coupe, Veloster Turbo, et al.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 34):
They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed....

One thing to keep in mind - the Mustang II sold over 385,000 units in 1974, versus 135,000 units of the old mid-sized Mustang in 1973. Keep in mind that the original blockbuster Mustang sold 419,000 units in 1964. The Mustang II may be the all-time "bastard" Mustang, but Ford made a crapload of money off of every one of those Pinto-based 'Stangs.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 42):
it can be seen as bad for the environment

more and more under 18-21 year old Americans DON'T even have a drivers license.

Which is precisely what I was saying in my first reply. A lot of it is conditioning.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:08 am

That doesn't look like a Mustang anymore. That doesn't look like... much of anything, honestly. I appreciate the move to make the Mustang a bit wider in its appeal but there's a point where styling a car to pitch it at a world market just makes it look bland. Even the Mustangs from the nineties, some of which were pretty darn forgettable from outside, had a bit more character, a bit more to set them off as a certain type of product.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 37):

Tell me about it. They buy cars because rapping hamsters tell them to...

Hey watch it. I am a member of the demographic of which you speak, and I can personally attest that I do not accept rapping hamsters as legitimate automotive spokesanimals. It's dogs driving Subarus or nothing for me.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:13 am

The proposed design has a horrid grille! It's the "Anti-Mustang." Why does everything have to look like a Fiat blob or putrid SUV/Crossovers that feature rapping crapper hamsters? Maybe deep down Ford has a death wish for the venerable nameplate. As demonstrated by the Lincoln division everything is becoming a blob and features generic alphabet and Sessame Street designations. Even the Probe looks better than that football shaped pygmy hippo on wheels.

This car appeals to the "Bieber/Maroon 5/Metro-sexual/European Male soccer fanatics." They can take their blob and drive it where the sun don't shine.

Regarding the Mustang II. It's a shame the era of 5 speed manual trannies and fuel injection was several years off. The Stang II with fuel injection and more advanced gear boxes both auto and manual would have worked. And putting that II by the name was a mistake.

However this is my own unique opinion but, I never liked the 71-73 Mustangs. The car got bloated while the interior stayed cramped. Ford really f'd up those tail lights.
FYI my ratings of Mustang generations from first to worse. (based on looks besides driving)
1. 1967-1968
2.. Retro Stang
3. 1964and a half 1966
4. 1969-1970
5. Mustang II
6. 1990's-Chick's car (Corvette imitation dash)
Tie for 7 1971-1973 bloated boat and Ford Fairstang (Dash even was the same as the Fairmont). Should have been totally restyled in model year 1984 and a half for 20 year anniversary. And not as a Ford Probe!

Not that it matters but, at least Ford is retaining the Taurus name.

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:08 am

I happen to like the Mustang II.
The Ghia's were gorgeous.

http://www.mustangii.net/images/ghia/silver_ghia.jpg

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
The proposed design has a horrid grille! It's the "Anti-Mustang."

This new design would be the ugliest Mustang ever IF they put the Mustang badge on it.
This should be the new Probe.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
FYI my ratings of Mustang generations from first to worse. (based on looks besides driving)

I do like the first generation Mustangs but I would much prefer the Mercury Cougar XR-7 instead.
It's the same car as the Mustang but with extra features and styling.








My favourite Mustang would be the 1983 Mustang convertible.
It was the last year you could get plaid seats and an 8track player.
I also like the front grille that year. It looked like a K-car grille.
The 1983 Mustang had Chrysler K-car styling with Ford V8 performance and reliability. What more could one possibly ask for?
Absolutely gorgeous!
I'd like to have this in puke yellow with plaid yellow, brown & white interior, black convertible top with 8track player, swap out the 302cu" for the 351cu" (same block) but keep the wire wheel covers and white-wall tires. That would be a real sleeper.
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1980 models were sexy too....
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:49 am

http://themustangsource.com/timeline/74-78/74/Ghia2.jpg

I really liked the 1974 Mustang II Ghia. Though looking back, the Opera Window 1975-1978 Ghia's are growing on me the 1974 combined the Ghia luxury with the heritage of the original Mustangs. I wish Ford would have produced both versions in model years 1975-1978. The '74 could have been badged the Ghia Sport and the Opera Window version could have been badged/marketed as the Mustang II Ghia Mark I or luxury edition.



The interior of the Ghia looked like a mini Thunderbird's. As I said, the Mustang II could have really worked had the engines been fuel injected and five speed sticks available.
http://www.mustangii.org/gallery/RandyClark/74Mustang.JPG
This custom Mustang II convertible looks hot even by today's standards.
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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
I really liked the 1974 Mustang II Ghia. Though looking back, the Opera Window 1975-1978 Ghia's are growing on me the 1974 combined the Ghia luxury with the heritage of the original Mustangs. I wish Ford would have produced both versions in model years 1975-1978. The '74 could have been badged the Ghia Sport and the Opera Window version could have been badged/marketed as the Mustang II Ghia Mark I or luxury edition.

They could have called it the Luxury Decord Group, Gran Mustang or Landau.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
The interior of the Ghia looked like a mini Thunderbird's. As I said, the Mustang II could have really worked had the engines been fuel injected and five speed sticks available.

  
I've always been saying mini-Mark IV but yes, you are correct.
That is such a beautiful and highly detailed interior.  

I am really sad that I can't join KevinL1011 this coming Saturday for the Fabulous Fords show at Knott's Berry's Farm. I'm still tied up here in Bangkok...
I attended in 2010 and I got a kick out of the Pinto and Mustang II fans the most.
They were for more interesting than the 1964.5 - 1973 and 1979 to current Mustang owners.
The Pinto and Mustang II collectors were really whacky, but in a good way! So were the Torino guys.  
They really got in to their cars and went through the trouble of having stage props next to their vehicles of various time specific artifacts from that era. One guy was even dressed like John Travolta. You could tell that they had a self-awareness that they have a hobby of something most people don't like but made their car's displays much more interesting. Kind of like the marketing for these cars when they were new. Looking back, the brochures and sales literature for the Pinto, Mustang II as well as their competitors are GM, Chrysler and AMC were far more exciting, captures the spirit of the time and sometimes totally far out compared to the advertisements for the highly collectable cars such as the Mustang Boss, Mach 1, Oldsmobile 442, Rebel and Charger.

Zippyjet, I wish you were around for this thread;

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RE: 2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:37 am

I wish this thread was posted earlier this month for an april fool... What a disappointing design for a Mustang 
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