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Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:42 pm

Hi!

Thought I'd ask if anyone else on this forum has ever had any experience with long term depression. My adult life has been kinda up and down but for the last few months the overwhelming feeling has been one of depression. I still live at home with my parents which is not something I thought I'd be doing as an adult. My Mum and aunt are kinda fed up with me and my Dad and I get the feeling they would rather be living elsewhere with more successful people so we tend to avoid each other now. I'm terrible around people so don't work. I used to go flying places a lot and write trip reports but I don't even like that now. I also used to take flying lessons and go gliding to keep active. I don't like people much but I always really liked people involved in aviation. I tried many times to get a job at my local flying school and airfield but these kind of jobs are just so difficult to get. I also offered to volounteer for free but got turned down too. I've also applied to work as a check in agent at Gatwick airport and in a coffee shop and hotel there but no luck so far. Things came pretty easy to me when I was growing up and I was generally happy. Many of my friends had it harder and because of that have become much more succesful people. They kinda look down at me now and there's only so much you can take of that so I tend to avoid them. I don't believe in anti-depression medication and would rather not waste my precious savings on it. I know this is just a phase and things will get better but wondering if anyone else has had similar low points of life. What did you do while you were in it to get through it? How did things eventually change for the better? I know for me it's the little things which I live for like watching a good movie or driving on a motorway or looking down onto an undercast from an airliner.

Anyway apologies if I've been a bit whiney!

Any thoughts welcome.

Many thanks,

Pierre
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
Anyway apologies if I've been a bit whiney!

You're not whiney, you're ill. Don't feel ashamed by it, you wouldn't feel ashamed by a broken leg either, would you?

Get professional help and allow yourself time to get out of this - it must have taken a long time to get to this point. That may or may not include medication, but don't rule it out right from the start. You wouldn't be doing yourself a favour with that.

[Edited 2012-04-19 15:24:36]
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
Many of my friends had it harder and because of that have become much more succesful people. They kinda look down at me now and there's only so much you can take of that so I tend to avoid them.

This may either show that they weren't really decent friends to begin with, it might reflect them reacting to you showing resentment towards them or you might even just imagine them looking down at you because you yourself feel down. Impossible to say from a distance.

You say you're "terrible around people" – not everybody has a sunny disposition and finds easy access to others, but pretty much everyone can find a way to decently deal with other people within their means. It can be tricky to find the right balance of self-respect and respect for others and some people have a limited range of other people they are capable of dealing with, though. Sometimes one's own attitude and expectations have something to do with it.

One thing, however, is that through such a forum it is next to impossible to get a real view of the situation since a) personalities often express themselves very differently here than in direct interaction and b) none of us has any information that's not already filtered through your own perception.

You'd need a honest (but not necessarily harsh) reflection of yourself from someone whose good judgment and objectivity you trust, and you need to be able to at least consider its merits without necessarily taking everything at face value. If that's part of the difficulties, it might help. But then it might not be the problem after all and your circumstances might need a change. Again hard to say.

I'm a bit sceptical about "professional help" in such matters, but if there are the right people available, they may in fact be able to give you useful feedback and perspectives and possibly even actual help.

Being as sober and objective, but also as kind and supportive as possible to yourself is important. Depression still is no walk in the park, but it's the right way to go.

Just don't give up on yourself, but also not on the people around you. You yourself but also the other people may surprise you in positive ways if you give them the chance for it.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
This may either show that they weren't really decent friends to begin with, it might reflect them reacting to you showing resentment towards them or you might even just imagine them looking down at you because you yourself feel down.

   Real friends stick with you through the thick an then. However with depression there is only a matter of time that your friends will stand by you if you are going to kill the mood.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
I'm a bit sceptical about "professional help" in such matters, but if there are the right people available, they may in fact be able to give you useful feedback and perspectives and possibly even actual help.

Well for the OP this seems to me like one of his only options. I have been in a similar place but I had the support of my family through it and from his post it appears that it is at the best waning so that makes it all the tougher when the ones that are supposed to be there for you aren't.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
Many of my friends had it harder and because of that have become much more succesful people.

Everyone has these stints in life, I thought the kids getting laid and drinking in high school were going to be better off than me. Since then I have been taking control of my own life and am much more confident because of it.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I know this is just a phase and things will get better but wondering if anyone else has had similar low points of life. What did you do while you were in it to get through it? How did things eventually change for the better?
Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I know for me it's the little things which I live for like watching a good movie or driving on a motorway or looking down onto an undercast from an airliner.

Here is one big way to know you are depressed and just not sad. If the things you once enjoyed no longer appeal to you then that is a sign of depression. I would suggest if possible to take up something like Yoga (especially hot yoga) as it has very good physical and mental effects. Also you can meet people that are the nice and supporting, thats where they all hide  .

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
My Mum and aunt are kinda fed up with me and my Dad and I get the feeling they would rather be living elsewhere with more successful people so we tend to avoid each other now. I'm terrible around people so don't work.

That's unfortunate mate  , if they aren't supportive of you but are just annoyed then that might be ok and normal. If they don't support or offer suggestions to you especially in this economy, where you can't just "get a job". I would venture if that is any way true then your parents are somewhat dickheads and might be part of the problem. I had depression and anxiety in 2010 (although not as severe as some) and my parents supported me.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I don't believe in anti-depression medication and would rather not waste my precious savings on it.

It does work and today's anti-depressants are not like those of a generation ago and the side effects are minimal. However they aren't magic and are designed to deal with hormone imbalances but they work best in conjunction with seeing a social worker at least to deal with any issues you may have that are a trigger to depression. Also anti-depressants I bet are covered by the NHS and private insurance so it wouldn't be a huge cost to you.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:18 am

I know the feeling, I've had mild to moderate depression most of my teenage life. Yours does sound like an issue but certainly can be fixed.

While I'm not expert I would recommend getting a job first off, make that your sole focus until you get one. I've found its critical to feel like you're doing something. Just having a reason knowing that you have to get up out of bed by this time, then there's the sweet feeling of the paycheck coming at the end of the week.
This will also allow you to move out of home, start travelling again (even if you have to force yourself) and you'll meet new people.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
They kinda look down at me now and there's only so much you can take of that so I tend to avoid them.

Its hard for people who don't know what its like to really understand whats going on. They see you as just becoming mopey and boring, a party pooper who they'd rather not invite to things. Having depression doesn't make you a very likeable person and its not something you tell the whole world.

I suggest you work on yourself and then try and rekindle those friendships and make new ones.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):

It does work and today's anti-depressants are not like those of a generation ago and the side effects are minimal.

I've recently started on a fairly modern one and it does seem to work. It took about 2 weeks to kick in but after that you notice a difference. Had no side effects other than my jaw randomly clenching and shivering for the first few days.

I would strongly recommend going and seeing a doctor and talking it through with them and see if its a good option for you.

Good luck and PM me if you have any questions.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:32 am

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):

Thought I'd ask if anyone else on this forum has ever had any experience with long term depression.

Nope. You're the only one ever.   

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I'm terrible around people.

Me too. Which is part of why I work in Commercial Aviation, I guess.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I know this is just a phase and things will get better but wondering if anyone else has had similar low points of life.

Well, my divorce was a real blast, but like everything else (including every dime I made in the next two years after) it passed.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
What did you do while you were in it to get through it? How did things eventually change for the better?

Honestly, I still get "symptoms" of what you describe. And I really hate when people get all stupid happy about stuff as a way to compensate. So, what I do is just look at it like say, a 767, bashing its way through some heavy chop. I already know it's going to be a rough day, and worst case, we'll just have to break out the hard landing card later on. But I know the frame can take it, and I won't "crash" over it.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I know for me it's the little things which I live for like watching a good movie

Or parking my car in the handicap spot, just because....   
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:58 am

You say you're bad with people and that may be one reason you're having difficulties finding a job. Depression or no depression, try to focus on your people skills. Taking Myers Briggs really helped for me. I'm not naturally a people person, so finding out my personality type, seeing unique quirks that I had and then adapting really helped.

One example: people of my personality type, myself included, neither need or expect very much praise. One complement makes my day, much more and I get very uncomfortable. So, when I was working in groups I'd just dole out criticism, not to be rude or mean, but just because that seems like the logical thing to talk about. Once I found out that not everyone operates like this (actually, few people do), I made sure to always complement at least some components of the person's work before delving into criticism.

MBTI comes under a lot of fire for being psuedoscience, and it certainly isn't fail proof, but I think it helped me a lot.

As far as depression, read up on it. Look here: http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Sec...ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=89096 . If you think you have it, or might have it, go talk to someone.

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):
Get professional help and allow yourself time to get out of this - it must have taken a long time to get to this point. That may or may not include medication, but don't rule it out right from the start. You wouldn't be doing yourself a favour with that.

I agree wholeheartedly. Consider medication with an open mind. Anti-depressants have really helped so many people. Better to take a pill every morning than feel miserable all day. But that isn't to say you should rush into medication therapy. Read up on it, talk to your doctor and then make an informed decision that's right for you.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4):
I've recently started on a fairly modern one and it does seem to work. It took about 2 weeks to kick in but after that you notice a difference. Had no side effects other than my jaw randomly clenching and shivering for the first few days.

I had a diminished sex drive and my doctor as a joke nearly gave me a prescription for Viagra but there was no need at the time because I wasn't having any sex.

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 5):
Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):

Thought I'd ask if anyone else on this forum has ever had any experience with long term depression.

Nope. You're the only one ever.   

I know you are joking but the depression rates in Men are very comparable to women and I reckon that it is far more destructive for men because of societal preconceptions about male pride and strength. This makes men afraid to talk about it which women will do with less difficulty. Men are ashamed of it because they feel they should be stronger and women being more emotional will seek support being much more inclined to do it.

Also the suicide rate is far higher in men with depression than women because of the fact they are more agressive beings and men are more likely to hide the symptoms of suicidal tendencies and they will kill themselves in methods that are more aggressive (ie. shooting themselves (men) vs pills(women)).

Quoting aa757first (Reply 6):
You say you're bad with people and that may be one reason you're having difficulties finding a job. Depression or no depression, try to focus on your people skills. Taking Myers Briggs really helped for me. I'm not naturally a people person, so finding out my personality type, seeing unique quirks that I had and then adapting really helped.

I'm guessing here but the OP is probably better with people than he thinks. Depression has a knack for making people think that they are worse than they are. However the best cure for this is to get ones self out there and to be social.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:41 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):
Here is one big way to know you are depressed and just not sad. If the things you once enjoyed no longer appeal to you then that is a sign of depression.

Not necessarily.
There are too many circumstances in one's life that can have an effect here.
Just because the fun of flying (as pax) has faded not necessarily mean that one is depressed; it also just may have worn off due to many returns of the action - or one used to fly for fun earlier, but now needs to travel for business. Concluding from my own situation, I was an afficionado for standard ans exotic flying, but hated to travel ba aircraft for business.
Meanwhile I omitted that job assignment that required me to travel for business.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:32 am

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Just because the fun of flying (as pax) has faded not necessarily mean that one is depressed; it also just may have worn off due to many returns of the action - or one used to fly for fun earlier, but now needs to travel for business.

To clarify.

I see where you were coming from and "The law of diminishing returns," does occur on occasion but the greater point remains. I love volleyball but if I played it every day I would grow tired of it and the fact that I once enjoyed it beforehand might be completely rational, I have just gotten sick of it.. People whom are depressed might have the sense to know in their heads that they enjoy the activity but said activity might not make them feel any better. You are very out of character when depressed an not just sad is what I'm trying to get at. An example being, most if not all healthy people enjoy sex and it takes a long time for sex to ever get boring to the point that you would rather do without it, even if its the same partner. So a good way to tell if someone is depressed is to notice a rapid drop in their sex drive with a sad demeanour.

If he loses interest is sex without a change in demeanour he is cheating   .
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:59 pm

I'm 35 and I've suffering from depression most of my life, even if I realised it was depression only a couple of years ago. Even if I had a successful life (no problems as a kid, I did well with my studies, I had a good job), I was never satisfied with what I had. Then I split with my partner one year ago and that was a very big blow. I started slowly rebuilding my life and when things were a bit better I had a bad motorcycle accident. Now I'm recovering from the bike accident and luckily I have all the support from my family. I tried the cognitive behaviour technique and it didn't work with me. I've tried several medications (I'm trying the fourth one) but they don't have any positive effect on me.

Ps76, I really understand how you feel, loosing interests for everything, the physical pain you feel when you are really down. I won't be telling you that things will get better because I would be lying. Just do your best. Try some medication. I haven't been lucky but maybe they will work with you.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting EY460 (Reply 10):
I won't be telling you that things will get better because I would be lying.

You also can't say they couldn't get better, however.

There is nothing automatic about it, so nobody can make absolute promises. But in most cases it's also not inescapable, so don't give up.

Even when things suck in general, make an effort to appreciate the smaller things that still can make you happy or which can at least make you feel better, so you still remember what that feels like.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:44 pm

A big part of getting better is acknowledging you have a problem and seeking solutions for it. Admitting it on a public forum is a big deal and I commend you on it.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I don't believe in anti-depression medication and would rather not waste my precious savings on it. I know this is just a phase and things will get better but wondering if anyone else has had similar low points of life. What did you do while you were in it to get through it? How did things eventually change for the better?

I wouldn't completely discount medication for depression if you are diagnosed as such, but I don't believe it should be the only thing you do.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
I'm a bit sceptical about "professional help" in such matters, but if there are the right people available, they may in fact be able to give you useful feedback and perspectives and possibly even actual help.

I really believe that if you are really facing serious personal issues seeking professional help from a therapist, psychologist, counselor, etc is key. Frankly I think friends and family are rubbish in these regards. You may get lucky but I think you end up finding people that are either judgmental or want to try and help fix you. When what you really need is somebody to just listen and perhaps share their own experiences with you. The benefit of a professional is that they are true disinterested third-parties that have the professional training and knowledge to help you out. I was in therapy for a year not too long ago and found the process to be pretty helpful. Sometimes you just need somebody to talk to that will just listen without saying anything. And when you need some guidance and strategies they can offer that to you.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
This makes men afraid to talk about it which women will do with less difficulty. Men are ashamed of it because they feel they should be stronger and women being more emotional will seek support being much more inclined to do it.

There is a stigma for sure amongst men. Thankfully I feel that mental health issues are getting more and more exposure and that the realization that your mental health is a critical part of your overall health.



A few recommendations. I've found that books can be really hit or miss.... a lot of really bad self-help type books out there. But one book I found useful for learning about myself is "The Introvert Advantage" http://www.amazon.com/The-Introvert-...ooks&ie=UTF8&qid=1334943738&sr=1-1

I suspect a lot of folks here are introverts and some of what you describe leads me to believe you are an innie as well. I liked the book in that it helped me better understand who I was and it gives you useful strategies in a variety of situations.

But I really recommend finding yourself a therapist to start off with and work with them to help set some goals for yourself.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 12):
I really believe that if you are really facing serious personal issues seeking professional help from a therapist, psychologist, counselor, etc is key. Frankly I think friends and family are rubbish in these regards. You may get lucky but I think you end up finding people that are either judgmental or want to try and help fix you. When what you really need is somebody to just listen and perhaps share their own experiences with you. The benefit of a professional is that they are true disinterested third-parties that have the professional training and knowledge to help you out. I was in therapy for a year not too long ago and found the process to be pretty helpful. Sometimes you just need somebody to talk to that will just listen without saying anything. And when you need some guidance and strategies they can offer that to you.

  

I completely agree,

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
What did you do while you were in it to get through it? How did things eventually change for the better?

You ponder on it, you dwell on it, and eventually you come to accept the fact that you need to do something about it.
Things change for the better when things change for the better. In my case it was when I decided to talk to a counseler about things I couldn't talk too my friends or family about.

The counselers/psychologists/therapists are there to help you work through your thoughts. Their insights through clinical experience and personal experience can help you understand a bit more about why you feel this way, and help you understand what you need to do to get going past these issues. You have to be honest in the process, and be open to their suggestions. Bases on your above issues, I think you really need to see one just for your own sake, and I would also suggest 3-5 sessions minimum spread out over a few weeks just so you have time to mull each session over.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:25 pm

I've been dealing with depression since I was 19. I'm 26 now. I have nowhere to go for support. I've lost almost all my friends, I'm not getting along with my family, I stopped medication because it wasn't working...same reason I quit counseling. My life is going nowhere. Every job application I submit either gets ignored or rejected, and I recently came up with the following mantra to explain my current outlook on life.

"I am the plane on a transoceanic flight losing fuel. I can't make my destination, and I can't get back home either. It's not a matter of if I will crash and burn, it's just when."
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 14):
"I am the plane on a transoceanic flight losing fuel. I can't make my destination, and I can't get back home either. It's not a matter of if I will crash and burn, it's just when."

Yes, that is a horrible feeling. But contrary to a meticulously planned commercial flight we really don't have precise maps nor reliable fuel gauges, so that conclusion is most likely wrong.

The worse one feels the more one tends to believe only in the worst possible outcomes, even when those aren't really the most likely or even plausible.

Depression lies about things; It skews perception downwards and still claims that it was "the truth".

The feeling is real, but the expectations and conclusions it presents mostly aren't.

Most likely there are in fact more paths to go ahead and to get out of that funk than depression lets you see. Don't stop trying to punch through the fog. It's not really the concrete wall it pretends to be, and it's not as endless as it claims to be either.

One of the main things depression loves to lie about is that you were somehow worthless or that you could never get anything right. Both claims are absolutely, definitely wrong.

Nobody is perfect, but you still are a person with every right to be here, just like any one of us.

And we all screw up things to some degree and sometimes fail to reach our goals, but you still have positive contributions to make to this world and achievements to accomplish for yourself.

On a really fundamental level, nobody and nothing can take that away from you. Religions may be largely hocus pocus in many respects, but in many cases they tap into this very basic truth which is much more fundamental than any of them and more true than any ideology could ever be.

There's never really nothing – there is always a core that's fundamentally sound which you can build on.

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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:28 pm

I've had problems with it. Began when I moved across the country and lost touch with a lot of my friends, I think, That was about twelve years ago. I have good days and bad ones. It's only my personal case, but I find I'm actually very sensitive to changes in the medicine I take for it- as in, I go off one for a week and I start having regular panic attacks. Advice? I don't have much, I'm not over it yet myself. But don't go over the edge, don't stay hopeless. People do care about you.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:07 am

Are you clinically depressed? If you are experiencing long term depression, it is worthwhile at least seeking some kind of professinal consultation. Even if you are against medication, they can at least manage it somehow. Going completely unsupported, if you do have clinical depression, can be quite dangerours, (unless you're a Scientologist!!)

I do not suffer it, but know plenty of people who have. It sounds that, thrown into the mix, you are going through a bit of an identity crisis. You seem to spend a lot of time comparing yourself to others, particularly on levels of success.

Everyone defines success in different ways. However, it is a fair assessment that if you are without employment, living at home, and unable to productively maintain the key relationships in your life, then you need something of a kick start.

I am not an expert and am by no means qualified to give advise on how to treat depression. However, on the job front, I can give a little advise.

It sounds to me like you are an introvert. I am also an introvert in a (professionally) extrovert world and struggle with this occasionally. More than anything it is extremely energy sapping. I stumbled across this article recently which really captured how I felt very well:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...03/caring-for-your-introvert/2696/

I think, particularly when starting out, selecting the right job for an introvert is very important, (eg I think your choice of Hotel Receptionisit was a poor choice). Most of the highly visible, publically successful people/jobs are extroverts, however there are some great and lucrative fields that are more suited to introverts, such as Analytics, research, skilled trades, etc

And I know it's probably a financial issue, but get out of your parents house and live on your own as soon as you can. Even if it means living in a shoe box for a while, the freedom of that independance is far more valuable than the financial freddon of saving a bit of rent. I love my parents and we get along very well. But if I had to stay for more than 2 weeks with them, I would gouge my eyes out with a dirty spoon.

All the best with it. No doubt with the right approach and support you can come out of it all fairly well
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:09 pm

Out of the all the Anet discussion threads, this is probably the most important one I've read. Some advice.

i) I think you should see out GP for a medical consultation. There is no crime or stigma in taking medication for depression or other mental illnesses. If you are worried about the cost, the only financial cost will be the cost of of prescription, which if you are unemployed you don't need to pay (would need to check first though).

ii) You need to get a job of sorts. It may not be the one you desire but having a job will provide you with social interaction with others and get you out of the house. By commuting to and from work, you will get a modicum of exercise which will help you bothe physically and mentally. I'm aware the economy is poor and employment is tough to find but where's there's a will, there's a way. If you need specific CV and interview advice, send me a private mail and I will recommend some books which you can read (borrowed from your local library for free) which may help be more successful at obtaining interviews and the possibility of a job.

iii) As for friends 'looking down on you', if they were true friends they wouldn't be doing this. However, if you are continually espousing a tale of 'woe is me' they may tire, so you have to be careful who you confide in and how you present yourself. Everyone has 'worries' but people have different ways in dealing with them, some are more vocal than others!

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:21 pm

Im in a similar boat. Been going on for years, and only this year I've come to realise i don't actually need other people to do the things i want. I still have my moments when I'm at home doing nothing for the entire weekend, but i try and look forward to the trips I've booked. Obviously without a job its difficult to do much. I know this because i had a long stint unemployed too and i know how should destroying it is getting letter after letter from potential employers saying, 'on this occasion etc.'

Theres plenty of things that can be done with little money though - even if its a walk round a park/shopping centre or whatever.

I also found that medication didn't do much and the help you get is pretty useless.

Its a difficult one, but as others have mentioned its an illness. Just a shame not everybody sees it the same way. When i was having episodes, people who i knew - even family members attitude were that theres far worse going on in the world so shut up and get on with it. Although to you, your problems are far worse. And i still feel the same if I'm honest.

Whatever is on your mind won't disappear, which is another thing that others don't seem to understand. All that you can do is find other things to put in front of it.
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Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 18):
You need to get a job of sorts. It may not be the one you desire but having a job will provide you with social interaction with others and get you out of the house.

The issue with that which I, myself run into is that I have physical conditions which keep me from doing some jobs, such as just about anything retail. Then it becomes an issue of if I work so much, I lost my medical insurance...which is a necessity right now. So that only jobs that I could handle right now would be where I could sit, and get medical benefits.

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Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:22 pm

I've dealt with depression and anxiety for over the past decade--since adolescence. First step, go to a practitioner and get diagnosed. Several other things that have been mentioned but that I will echo--you should feel ashamed to have been diagnosed with depression. Depression isn't a feeling--it's an illness, one that can be treated and combatted.

Second, do not expect instantaneous results with any treatment that you pursue. If you decide to pursue medication, it takes time to calibrate both the medication and the dosage needed. You have to take it one day at a time.

Third, educate yourself as much as possible about depression. Medication and therapy can only do so much--you have to develop your own tools and coping mechanisms for dealing with depression--and by tools and coping mechanisms, I mean healthy ones. Plenty of people resort to alcohol or other forms of self destruction to combat/cope with depression. When you are feeling depressed absolutely do not under any circumstances drink alcohol--it will only worsen the symptoms, and make coping that much harder.

Fourth, do something. Find some way to get engaged with the wider community as a whole. Get physical exercise. Even if its just walking for 30 minutes, that's better than nothing.

In terms of getting out of a particular low point of my life, I just took it one day at a time. I forced myself to keep making progress in some way shape or form
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:26 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 21):
you should feel ashamed to have been diagnosed with depression.

I'm pretty sure you meant to say: "you should not feel ashamed to have been diagnosed with depression."
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 21):
Third, educate yourself as much as possible about depression. Medication and therapy can only do so much--you have to develop your own tools and coping mechanisms for dealing with depression--and by tools and coping mechanisms, I mean healthy ones. Plenty of people resort to alcohol or other forms of self destruction to combat/cope with depression. When you are feeling depressed absolutely do not under any circumstances drink alcohol--it will only worsen the symptoms, and make coping that much harder.

Does taking frustrations out on the family count as a coping mechanism? How about screaming at and cursing out the dog (who I have hated since I met him)?

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:35 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 23):
Does taking frustrations out on the family count as a coping mechanism?

I would characterise that as one of many

Quoting us330 (Reply 21):
forms of self destruction

because it only makes your situation worse. The stress that causes your frustrations comes (most ikely) from the depression. Other coping mechanisms include alcoholism ("drink to forget"), whose destructive power is obvious, and escaping reality so that you don't have to confront it - think computer games and internet forums. You will not get better and your frustrations will not go away until you summon up the courage to fight the root of the problem.

Family and friends can help you if you let them know that you're ill, most of them will listen if you tell them. Consider this: you're dealing with depression 24/7/365, they may be completely unaware that you even have it and wondering why you're acting so out of character. If they never learn the reason, they are much more likely to be annoyed, so tell them what's going on an which of their actions are helpful/unhelpful. While there are some aspects of your depression that you and only can solve, others can easily improve with a little help from your friends.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 24):
Family and friends can help you if you let them know that you're ill, most of them will listen if you tell them. Consider this: you're dealing with depression 24/7/365, they may be completely unaware that you even have it and wondering why you're acting so out of character. If they never learn the reason, they are much more likely to be annoyed, so tell them what's going on an which of their actions are helpful/unhelpful. While there are some aspects of your depression that you and only can solve, others can easily improve with a little help from your friends.

My family knows about my depression - been battling it for almost 7 years now. Friends - don't have any. I came back after college, and they had all moved away. I have a couple of acquaintances left in the area, but I could never consider them friends.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 21):

Superb advice.

Although one person's experience is invariably different from another's, there are certain basic things which will always help. Trying to regain a sense of purpose and self-worth is important, and little things can really help with this. Eat regularly and sensibly. Go for those walks. Wash and dress yourself properly every day - routine can be an important aid in the interim. Try to focus on the things you enjoy. For me, music is a real therapy, likewise reading.

You're not on your own with this. Stick with it, things will improve.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:02 pm

By the sounds of it you have got yourself into a spiral or circle of negativity. It can happen to us all.

I'm not a fan of professional help or help off public forums but you do need someone to listen and show you the door out of the negative circle. If life were really just negative, as you see it now, we'd all be down in the dumps all the time.

There are positive things happening in the world around you and you need someone to take you to them. It will come in time.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:15 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 27):
I'm not a fan of professional help

There comes a point where it is the only sensible option. That point obviously varies from person to person, as do their respective support circles, friends, and other options. Nonetheless, I think it is important to neither stigmatise nor discourage someone from obtaining, professional help. That such help can vary in quality is of course, lamentable, but it can be very good.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:34 pm

Yes I've seen others through depression & had it pretty bad meself. All I can say is take one day at a time.   Good luck
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:13 pm

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Some good ideas here already and here is my take:

1. You say you are not a people person. That's great! We need more of you around. Do you like animals? I'm certain your volunteer impulses would be very appreciated at the local RSPCA or shelter. Did you know you can be a foster parent for a service dog in training? Or volunteer to take dogs to visit old people and the disabled? Or simply help,out with abused animals? When I get pissed off at my wife, when my friends are being selfish or when I start to feel down, my dog(s) cheer me up. They are great fun, non judgmental and are fascinating to train, study or play with. Give it a try! You can even make a career of it with not difficult training.

2. Ok, so you admit other people kind of annoy you. If you don't want to work with animals, there is a type of person you might enjoy being around. In your community there are dozens/hundreds/thousands of people that need YOUR help. You are already more capable with computers than many many people, believe it or not! Many elderly people could learn the basics from you. Many poor or homeless people need someone to show them how to use the Internet to find a job, get government benefits, or simply find a goofy chat forum for recreation. If your area has immigrants around, they would love to learn English from you. Finding people who need and admire your skills (which you DO have) might be just the ticket to get you in a job or hobby you like.

You say your old interests no longer excite. It happens. Reach back to when you were 5 and look a what was fun then, revist those interests even if it seems silly. If nothing comes to mind pick something at random and just study it, take a class, or talk about it. Forget about money and just start with what is the most simple and basic activity that brings a smile to your face...expand from there.

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 23):
Does taking frustrations out on the family count as a coping mechanism? How about screaming at and cursing out the dog (who I have hated since I met him)?

It depends on how strong your relationship with your family is. The problem w taking them out on the family is that you have to recognize that it takes a toll on them as well--and you need to respect that. I have an exceptionally strong relationship with my parents, but i learned just how much it was exhausting them to help me cope--and I realized that to continue doing so to the degree that I was doing was selfish, immature, and somewhat self-defeating. I had to learn how to cope on my own, for circumstances when loved ones weren't just a phone call away.

The only way to truly "beat" or, if not "beat," then successfully coexisting and managing depression (btw the inability to beat depression is not a reflection of your efforts--some people for reasons beyond their control, will never truly "beat" depression, but all can learn how to manage it) is to develop healthy coping mechanisms that you can do independently, wihtout the help of others.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:48 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 1):

You're not whiney, you're ill. Don't feel ashamed by it, you wouldn't feel ashamed by a broken leg either, would you?

Get professional help and allow yourself time to get out of this - it must have taken a long time to get to this point. That may or may not include medication, but don't rule it out right from the start. You wouldn't be doing yourself a favour with that.

Well said, good advice.



The last four years of my life have been personally catastrophic for me and major depression is just part of my daily life.



You should not feel ashamed of it, you did not ask for these feelings, they just happen to people sometimes,



There are no easy answers and many of the standard ones people supply simply don't work.



I have found that, in my case I will listen to others advice but at the end of the day you have to figure it out yourself.



Don't be discouraged by this though.



I would recommend a good therapist.



Also this. I notice you are writing from the UK which Is where I am originally from. There is still very strong pressure to 'keep a stiff upper lip' in that culture.


That is bullshit. While constantly complaining will not endear you to anyone it is important to reach out to people and not withdraw.



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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 14):
I've been dealing with depression since I was 19. I'm 26 now. I have nowhere to go for support. I've lost almost all my friends, I'm not getting along with my family, I stopped medication because it wasn't working...same reason I quit counseling. My life is going nowhere. Every job application I submit either gets ignored or rejected, and I recently came up with the following mantra to explain my current outlook on life.

Psychiatric medications are notorious for requiring a trial and error approach. If you have others in your family with depression or anxiety that took SSRIs, it would be helpful to tell your doctor. Otherwise, you might have to try a handful of SSRIs or SNRIs before you get the relief you need.

Very inconvenient, especially since they take four to six weeks to accurately gauge their effects. But these medications have helped many, many people.

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 18):
i) I think you should see out GP for a medical consultation. There is no crime or stigma in taking medication for depression or other mental illnesses. If you are worried about the cost, the only financial cost will be the cost of of prescription, which if you are unemployed you don't need to pay (would need to check first though).

I'd just like to add something for those living in the U.S. Older, but still effective and commonly prescribed, anti-depressants like Celexa, Prozac and Paxil are available for $4 or $5 per month throughout the U.S. While they may not be right for you, don't completely write off seeking help because of financial circumstances. If you don't have insurance, explain and many doctors would be willing to prescribe something available for a very low cost.
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:31 am

I'm not a doctor, counsellor or pscyologist...whatever. Here's my advice:-

I'm sorry to hear about your feeling.

I was thinking about exactly the same things - I know how you feel. You need to be positive and be yourself. If people aren't nice to you, ignore them. It's their problems, not your problem. Then ignore them and find someone who is nice , polite to you and who likes you. There are thousand of people are nicer than others.

Always be happy - show other people that you're smiling at them and say hello to them. Be friendly with them - always start talking to them not wait for others talking to you. Other people will think you're a nice guy and friendly guy.

Look at yourself and you need to think about who you are (eg your personality). Just be yourself.

Hope it will help
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:41 am

Sorry for my late comments, but I spent a couple of days trying to figure out what I was going to say-if anything. It doesn't pay to be to open on the internet.

A couple of years ago I got hit by a series of events that as I look back on it now was depression. I am still trying to work through what happened then.

At the time I had some long term stressors in my life.

Working for a oil services contractor our customer desided to reorginise the department I worked in so over a period of months everybody was worried about their jobs. My grandparents had passed away a couple of years ago and I was supporting my mom in handling the estate, much to the chargrin of my two uncles who wheren't happy they wheren't named executors also. Then things got really messy at work when another subsidary of the company we contract for had an oil rig blow up in the gulf of mexico (that one made the news) and everybody was wondering if the company was going to survive, if our division was going to be sold off to raise funds for clean-up.....add nauseum, Needless to say rumor city at that time. And my dad moved back in-state, good but I was trying to get two of my younger sibblings to talk to him but they are still refusing to acknowlege he is alive (nasty divorce when we where kids)

In that environment I got hit with the following specific events over a six week period

1. I was put on my first diabetes med
2. I was then horrified the doctor was right to do that since my blood sugars two hours after lunch where north of 340. I started to test myself to "prove" the A1C was wrong.....Didn't work out.
3. Two weeks later I had a bad performace review at work which included a lot of items I thought had been put to bed months earlier
4. My brother a week after that tried real hard to get himself killed in a UH-60 crash. He was fine and off the glacier two days later but I was accused of being "insensitive" by some of the other members of the family, I think because being in aviation all my life I wasn't as freaked out by what happened. That and I tend to use humor as a stress relief mechinism and for some people it wasn't appreciated.
5. I was "tranfered" to another department in our company. I was given the choice of doing that or quitting.

#5 was on a Friday by 8 that night the four beers I had in my fridge where gone. Saturday went to the gun range to blow off some steam. A little controled violence is good for that. 1000rounds of .22 and 70 rounds of 7.62 by 54R later I decided I was going to stay with the company. But I knew that I was going to have to learn my new job quickly and be better then the other guy.

Now I think that I was setting myself up for failure.

First three days where training with the boss on the new job. Next two days I worked on my own on what we call BOMS while letting the pain in my right shouldn't die down (too much Mosin-Nagant). Then I sent it over to my new boss to "grade" and I had to correct the hell out of it. Well the first bom, that was to be expected as I was still learning a new system. 2nd one came back same deal. It was horrifying because as I said earlier I knew I had to be better and quicker then the other guy.

2nd Saturday rolled around and I still ticked off so I went back to the range. Shot 1700 rounds of .22, no centerfire ammo, because I was still sore from the Mosin-Nagant the week earlier. Monday I went back to work and was still getting my work sent back to me with all sorts of corrections. At about that time I stated to check-out. I started to picture our CEO over at my old departmartment having a meeting with all my old coworkers because I had checked myself out.

I forgot to mention my new desk in my new department was in a fishbowl. I have a glass wall opening to the hallway. I can see one of the chairs in the reception area and the door to the conference room. During the first two weeks a bunch of my coworkers had meetings in my new office. They would walk by smile and wave "hi". I tried to hold myself together and be friendly too but I don't think I was entirely successful at that. I just wanted to crawl under my desk and hide. I kept the Ipod plugged in constantly so that I could drown out the world but I didn't do myself any favors. My taste in music changed. Instead of listening to happy music I was listening to songs I probably shouldn't have been listening too in my mood, "Somewhere, Over the Rainbow" by Isreal Kamakawiwo'ole, "All Apologies" by Nirvana, "My Way" by Frank Sinatra, "Comfortable Numb" by Pink Floyd, actually I shouldn't have been listening to anything on "The Wall" album. I also stopped eating when I we hope at night, During this period of time I lost 25 lbs.

Third week there I stated to look up and occasionally notice an unfamiliar face in the waiting room. 1/2 hour later someobody else I didn't know would be waiting. Later I noticed my old boss and the "lead" for out team comming out of the conference room with the unknown person. They where interviewing my replacement. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!! I did my best to try and ignore that and focus on my screen but it really wasn't working. I have no reasonable expectation for them to locate interviews on my feelings but at the time it really felt like the knife was beeing twisted in my back. This was the low point and my thinking changed, I wasn't thinking about who would say what if I killed myself. I started to work on where and how. I never got to the point that Mel Gibson was at the start of the first Lethal Weapon movie but I did start to work on the questions on if I wanted to be found, and where to do it. Did rule out firearms....makes an awful mess for the poor sack that finds you. And I wasn't going to be some statistic for some evil Sarah Brady deciple to take away a basic civil right for others, there are plenty of other options.

Looking back on it this was rock bottom.

By the end of that third week I was pretty frazzled. I made mention of "I don't think I am going to make it" to the guy who had the desk next to mine (also #2 in the dept). He must have mentioned something to my boss because on Monday my boss was talking to him about something and casually mentioned to me, "Your BOMS are looking better". I don't know I she heard me but I said very quitely, "I needed to hear that". I did, it was really the first positive comment I had heard for a month. That is what stated my recovery, the other part was my dad got up here during his move. I didn't talk to him about what happened (he did ask) but instead of going home and being lethargic I was over househunting with him and my stepmom. This got me the hell out of the house and my mind off my problems. I essentally gave my mind a break.

Tuesday night I went home and started to think that I needed to do something to get out of this rut. I went to gym. The next night I did the same thing. By that night I knew I had to make some changes. I went ahead and decided I was going to do some concrete things. I kept going to the gym and since Friday was the first day of a new month I made the decision to revive my prohibition on drinking soda (I still haven't had one a year and half later) also I felt the need to appologize to everybody because I knew I had been a complete boor to be around for the past month. But I didn't want to make a big scene. The only thing I could think of was hit the grocery store in the AM that Friday and pick up a dozen bagels. I work every other Friday and to this day still bring in a dozen bagels on Friday's when I am there. The CEO asked my what brough them and I told him that it was because I needed the karma (true) and because I had just dropped some weight (true but not the reason for the bagels).

I would say it took a good three months to get my head mostly cleared, although today I still think about what happened and am saddened that I allowed myself to get in this state. It represented a number of failures on my part. I still work for the same company and still view most of these people of my friends and am happy they still want me around. There are times that I wonder if I should have done some things differently. I was looking for something in my desk a couple of months later and found our employee assistance numbers card. First time I thought about calling somebody. Maybe it would have helped but if I had found this at the hight of the crisis I am not sure I would have called it. As I said earlier, with my transfer (sacking) I felt like I was walking on broken glass and I wouldn't have felt I was in a position to "rock the boat" as it where.

As far as psycologists go, I put them in the same catagory as prostitutes. You to one, give them a bunch of money. You may do it on a couch, You may be lying down. She may listen to you if you want and in the end you may feel better but you are a couple hundred dollars lighter and have the same problems as when you went in.

I know that this isn't a politically correct attitude to have about it.

In the year since then, I think I have "gotten" over the events of the past to a greater degree. Last year was a bit rougher then most becuase a bunch of 20 year anniversarys rolled around and got me reflecting on my life and some things that I probably wish I had done different and been more succesful at, but nothing like the time of my life I described.

Suicide is one thing I have had to change my attitude about. I have known three people who have killed themselves. One person I say 48 hours before he did it, Another I had to help his dad and uncle unload him and I had to do up the freight paperwork to get him flow to town to be embalmed. For years I dispatched medivac flights here and had our share of various sucide transports. I saw their families that rode along with them to the hospital. I developed a very strong hatred for those that chose this way out and had a very hard attitude to them. But after that experince I had, I don't think I can see it that way without being a hypocrite. It today is totally unacceptable to me that I allowed myself to get to that point. The questions, "How close was I?" and "What else could happen to put me over the edge?" scare the heck out of me. Sorry to use a fishing metaphore but I don't think I had a lot of line left to play out back then.

I am going to recommend a book.

It is called "Magnificent Desolation" The guy that wrote it is a West Point Grad, has a doctorate from MIT and wrote most of the theories on linking up vehicles in space used by NASA. He also flew on Gemini 12 to test those theories. Needless to say he accomplished some things in his life. but after he left the Air Force and NASA he suffered from depression. The first three chapters are about him flying as lunar module pilot on the Apollo 11 mission but the rest of it is him describing how his depression afffected his life and career. I am making my second pass through the book and comparing his fighting this with what I have delt with the past year. I am glad that I never had any dependency issues (thank you Uncle Sam for sending me to Germany at 18! I can't stand US beer). I have wondered if my lack of chemical dependency was why I was able to pull myself away from this?

Sorry I rambled. I was just going to make a short comment but seriously read the book.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
Thought I'd ask if anyone else on this forum has ever had any experience with long term depression

Well i had over three years a heavy depression, because i had no job (similar circumstances like you)my grandparents and my mother died and other medical reasons.

I needed help because i felt lost and useless, hated everything and everyone. During this time i did let me go. However trough a lucky coincidence i got a job and my life made a 360° turn.

A job gives you stability and freedom. And if you think you are useless not competent enough for a particular job, you are wrong.

When i lost my job one year ago and my father died, my girlfriend left me i came again in this destructive cycle of depression.

I don't trust doctors, i even hate most of them for a lot of reasons(they have a big guilty the on my difficult life), but i did find out that i've should taken psychological help much much earlier.

Still there are moments which are difficult, but the psychiatrist (i recommend female are more sensible)helps me a lot to deal with it.

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
I don't believe in anti-depression medication

Me too, its dangerous and not good for the body. There are psychiatrist's which don't work with medication. Just with mental excercises and talking.

That's my councel to you.

I hope for you that you will overcome this depression as soon as possible.All the best.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:53 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 35):
I have wondered if my lack of chemical dependency was why I was able to pull myself away from this?

It definitely wouldn't have helped.

That's a good story, thanks for sharing. It would be nice if mental health could come out of the basement, considering 35,000 people kill themselves every year. I think many of these deaths could be avoided with professional help.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 36):
Me too, its dangerous and not good for the body. There are psychiatrist's which don't work with medication. Just with mental excercises and talking.

This is completely false. Modern anti-depressants are very safe and generally have minor side effects.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:39 am

First step is a job, keep applying - stay positive, however hard it might seem.

You like biking? Which I assume is cycling. Get out on the bike and put yourself in the hurt-box - or have someone else you ride with put you in the hurt-box, that's what they are for - they are fast and they'll make you faster as well, eventually. That will do your mind a world of good.  

Dogs are fun - give them love and care and they'll give it back to you unconditionally. And getting out with them, walking or running with them is good for your mind. And you mind run into other people with the same interests, make friendships with them, or maybe something more...  
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 38):
First step is a job, keep applying - stay positive, however hard it might seem.

Thanks. Have applied for a job in a chain hotel near Gatwick airport and am thinking of applying for Easyjet check in handler as they told me they are hiring for the summer now. Only problem is I have to drive my parents for their holiday to Switzerland in the summer. Maybe they can give me time off or something.

Quoting cpd (Reply 38):
You like biking? Which I assume is cycling. Get out on the bike and put yourself in the hurt-box - or have someone else you ride with put you in the hurt-box, that's what they are for - they are fast and they'll make you faster as well, eventually. That will do your mind a world of good.

I do like cycling and I do it sometimes. Not sure what you mean by hurt-box though. There is also a golf course behind my house and I go walking there every day which definitely helps.

Quoting cpd (Reply 38):
Dogs are fun - give them love and care and they'll give it back to you unconditionally. And getting out with them, walking or running with them is good for your mind. And you mind run into other people with the same interests, make friendships with them, or maybe something more...

I appreciate the advice but I can't begin to tell you how much I don't like dogs. To be honest they scare the crap out of me. All that barking and big teeth which look like they're going to bite your hand off any second. But thank you for the suggestion anyway.

I've also been thinking I might go and visit a friend in Norway for a week. Maybe it will be good to just go and hang out in a bar with friends and drink until I fall over for a night!

Many thanks,

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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting aa757first (Reply 37):
This is completely false. Modern anti-depressants are very safe and generally have minor side effects.

Depends, if you take other medication there can be adverse effects. What do you mean with minor? I don't think that anti-depressants are always the solution.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:14 am

Quoting autothrust (Reply 40):
I don't think that anti-depressants are always the solution.

Of course they are not always the answer, but certainly they can be sometimes. A good psychiatrist will not leap to force medication on someone, particularly if they feel they don't want it. Any psychiatrist worth his salt will weigh up all the options and take the patient's own views into consideration.
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 39):
Not sure what you mean by hurt-box though.

Hurt box is the pain barrier, pushing yourself to a point just past your limits, and finding that you've got that little bit extra left in the tank. And eventually, it gets easier. But it's easier done when there is someone else to push you to your limits. If I don't have time, I'll put the bike on the rollers and do a quick 25km or so at a high speed. It doesn't take that long, but it's a perfect reset for the mind.

I've been through your point in life, the whole depression thing, unemployment thing - so I have an idea what is going on in your mind at the moment. Those two are a vicious combination. Depression makes find employment difficult, and lack of employment makes depression worse.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 36):
Me too, its dangerous and not good for the body

Do you have an MD (medical degree) or are you a licensed psychiatrist, able to practice in your own country? If the answer is no, then there's no basis for you to make that statement--especially when there's evidence to the contrary.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 40):
Depends, if you take other medication there can be adverse effects. What do you mean with minor? I don't think that anti-depressants are always the solution.

If you take two types of any medication, there will be side effects regardless. It's not just anti-depressants. Heck, if you drink alcohol after having taken tylenol, there can be adverse effects.

Anti-depressants aren't always the solution, but for some people, they can go a long way to solving the issues. Your misguided opinions might dissuade people from pursuing options that could very well work for them. The brain is an extremely complicated organ, and what works for some people doesn't necessary work for others. Chosing to go on anti-depressants, or any medication, is not a decision to be taken lightly though, and should always be done in consultation with licensed psychiatrists and medical practitioners.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting cpd (Reply 42):
I've been through your point in life, the whole depression thing, unemployment thing - so I have an idea what is going on in your mind at the moment. Those two are a vicious combination. Depression makes find employment difficult, and lack of employment makes depression worse.

That's good to know I'm not alone. I'm sure some people don't work and live perfectly happily though although I can bet they have friends and maybe a partner and some source of income like a trust fund or they're retired or something. But you definitely are right. Once I find work and somewhere I fit in and find new friends I'm sure I will feel a lot happier.

Many thanks,

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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting us330 (Reply 43):
Anti-depressants aren't always the solution, but for some people, they can go a long way to solving the issues. Your misguided opinions might dissuade people from pursuing options that could very well work for them. The brain is an extremely complicated organ, and what works for some people doesn't necessary work for others. Chosing to go on anti-depressants, or any medication, is not a decision to be taken lightly though, and should always be done in consultation with licensed psychiatrists and medical practitioners.

I agree with this 100%. Maybe anti-depressants aren't something you want to take, even if you have depression. That's fine. But don't go around making people fear something that could really like them based on complete misinformation.
 
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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:59 am

I myself have as well had a past history of depression. Actually, it is from whence my poetry stems. All must have some outlet, after all. Have you considered taking up writing in some form? I do definitely recommend it. Very therapeutic!

And just let me know if you need anything. My e-mail link is on my profile here.  


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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:50 am

Quoting KAUST (Reply 46):
I myself have as well had a past history of depression. Actually, it is from whence my poetry stems. All must have some outlet, after all. Have you considered taking up writing in some form? I do definitely recommend it. Very therapeutic!

Hi!

Thanks for the reccomendation I will keep it in mind. Currently the only writing I do is in A.Net and Facebook! But maybe I can do something more productive.

Quoting KAUST (Reply 46):
And just let me know if you need anything. My e-mail link is on my profile here.

Thanks sir. I must say I am feeling much better today than last week. Hopefully it will continue.

Many thanks,

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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:17 am

You are most very welcome, Pierre. You're in good hands here.  

Keep that good mood up, buddy!!


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RE: Anyone Else Had To Deal With Depression?

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:24 am

I've pretty much taken to shutting myself off from going out most of the time. I'd rather sit in my house, surf the net, and make use of FSX then go out where I'm always being judged.

Like today I went on my very first job interview. I put up a good front, but it was a very nerve wracking experience.

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