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Any Doctors In The House. Help With My Hand.

Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:03 am

Hi!

I know an airliner forum is hardly the place to seek medical advice but I thought I'd ask something.

For the last 2 days my left hand has felt numb, exactly like the feeling when you sleep on it and you have to shake it off. Except it won't go away. I went to ER tonight because I would have to wait until Monday to see my GP. They took my blood pressure and did an ECG and listened to my heart and lungs and took blood to check for neurological or cardiovascular things. They also did some response tests and stuff. I have been feeling completely normal except for my hand. They found everything completely normal. The doctors thought it might be from anxiety and said it wasn't an emergency issue but if it continued or spread I should see my GP. I thought it might be because I was very depressed last week and didn't do any activity whatsoever, just watched movies and ate and slept and surfed the web. My depression has kinda gone now and from tomorrow I will be more active and walk and stuff. I hope it will go away when I do that.

Anyway any idea what it might be. Anyone seen anything like this before.

Many thanks,

Pierre

P.S. I'm not taking any medication at the moment and my only medical history is a pituitory gland tumor (benign) which they operated on successfully. The only symptoms I had of the tumor was a loss of vision and peripheral vision which was repaired thankfully by the operation.

[Edited 2012-04-27 22:07:22]
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:29 am

Idiopathic, probably, due to:

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
because I was very depressed last week and didn't do any activity whatsoever, just watched movies and ate and slept and surfed the web.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:50 am

Is that thread related to the Interracial Marriage one and the vfact (you admitted it yourself!), that you can´t find a woman?
Maybe your hand is being overused! Does it grow hairs on the palm?   

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Maybe your hand is being overused! Does it grow hairs on the palm?

You have a point. Only it's my left hand with the problem not my right hand.

I agree though it's probably due to inactivity.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):
I agree though it's probably due to inactivity.

Then switch hands and start using it.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting greasespot (Reply 4):
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):
I agree though it's probably due to inactivity.

Then switch hands and start using it.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Is that thread related to the Interracial Marriage one and the vfact (you admitted it yourself!), that you can´t find a woman?
Maybe your hand is being overused! Does it grow hairs on the palm?   
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):

You have a point. Only it's my left hand with the problem not my right hand.

I agree though it's probably due to inactivity.
Quoting greasespot (Reply 4):
Then switch hands and start using it.

         You guys are too much!

I'm not going to chime in, doctor or not, because the much less likely diagnoses are also the scary ones. Without examining and doing a careful history, I can't really say what is or isn't likely, and so I would go to your GP.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:11 pm

Go to your doctor. The numbness would be long gone if it were due to inactivity.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:03 pm

Anxiety can cause anything and everything. If it does not go away go to your GP they will probably have to do some better test. But the worst thing to do is sit there and worry about it, if it is anxiety which is probably the most likely cause it will just get worse. But certainly see your doctor if it does not go away.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:00 pm

Sounds like it could also be carpal tunnel.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:18 pm

I had something exactly like this. If you are surfing a lot, are you resting your arm or elbow on the table?

It can cause the nerve to be compressed and cause numbness just like this.

It can last for months, but if you keep off the elbows and wrists then it should go away. By all means see your GP, but no need to go to the ER, as long as it doesn't get any worse, and there are no other pains. If you get numbness somewhere else go right back to the ER>
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
s that thread related to the Interracial Marriage one and the vfact (you admitted it yourself!), that you can´t find a woman?
Maybe your hand is being overused! Does it grow hairs on the palm?
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):

You have a point. Only it's my left hand with the problem not my right hand.

I agree though it's probably due to inactivity.
Quoting greasespot (Reply 4):
Then switch hands and start using it.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 10):
It can cause the nerve to be compressed and cause numbness just like this.

Yeah, I can cause numbness and tingling in my lateral fingers from resting elbows on the desk. I also have a friend whose computer use made the issue so chronic that he opted for surgery.

Also-- for everyone in the US-- don't go to the ER for non-emergent things. Thanks.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 10):
I had something exactly like this. If you are surfing a lot, are you resting your arm or elbow on the table?

It can cause the nerve to be compressed and cause numbness just like this.

It can last for months, but if you keep off the elbows and wrists then it should go away. By all means see your GP, but no need to go to the ER, as long as it doesn't get any worse, and there are no other pains. If you get numbness somewhere else go right back to the ER>

Hi!

Thanks very much for that info. I'll try and do as advised and hopefully it will get better. If not I'll go see my GP.

Many thanks,

Pierre
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 12):
Also-- for everyone in the US-- don't go to the ER for non-emergent things. Thanks.

      
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Also-- for everyone in the US-- don't go to the ER for non-emergent things. Thanks.


I know this is off topic but do you have to pay for going to an ER in the USA. In the UK thankfully we have an excellent health service paid by taxes. I mean it may not be as good as Switzerland or France but it works. The reason I ask is that my green card for the USA is finally coming through and one of the things keeping me from moving is healthcare. I don't have a good job at the moment and may not get health insurance with the kind of work I would do. Recently my aunt and uncle in the US got hit with alzheimers and parkinsons disease and the cost of healthcare and especially putting them in a home crippled them and my cousins financially. They went through some very bad times and although the financial aspect was bad it was nothing compared to the emotional effect of these diseases coming on strong. I think I read for the first five years when you move to the USA you are not eligible for medicare or medicaid (although I hardly know what these things are) so you better be well off for yourself or hope you don't get sick.

Anyway apologies for going off topic.

Any thoughts welcome.

Thanks,

Pierre

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 15):
I think I read for the first five years when you move to the USA you are not eligible for medicare or medicaid (although I hardly know what these things are) so you better be well off for yourself or hope you don't get sick.


Medicare and medicaid is government health care.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid


Quoting Ps76 (Reply 15):
I know this is off topic but do you have to pay for going to an ER in the USA.


If you go to a public hospital they have to treat you. If you have a serious emergency and go in a ambulance any hospital will treat you and stabilize without asking for an insurance card or a credit card. After that I have no idea. At least down here I think it is the same in many US cities the best serious injury/care hospitals or trauma centers are usually public.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:43 am

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 15):
I know this is off topic but do you have to pay for going to an ER in the USA. In the UK thankfully we have an excellent health service paid by taxes. I mean it may not be as good as Switzerland or France but it works. The reason I ask is that my green card for the USA is finally coming through and one of the things keeping me from moving is healthcare.

If you have private insurance, the copay for going to the ED is anywhere between $50 and $150. If you have public insurance, it's free. Which ticks me off to no end.

Anyway, the point is to make you think reeeallly hard about whether this is an emergency.

And if you are not going to get health insurance with a job in the U.S., stay at home.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting Ps76 (Thread starter):
Anyway any idea what it might be. Anyone seen anything like this before.

Pierre;

This is quite a coincidence ! I just finished a post directed mainly to you, and now I see this one about numbness in your hand; yes, I HAVE seen this also; as a matter of fact, I'm having the same problem (for a month or more now) ! In my case, it's just in my right "little" finger, and along the edge of my right hand, behind the little finger. To make matters even worse, the little finger on my left hand has been rather painful at the first knuckle from my hand, is still swollen some, and I'm almost sure I must have broken it. The REALLY odd part is...........I have been running back and forth to Union Hospital every day for 19 days now, to visit my fiance', and have spent a lot of time talking with 4 different doctors, (but all about her), and not about my sore little finger !

But back to your numb hand............a true story......(it happened to me), about 40 yrs ago; (I'll try to "condense" it as much as possible ); for many years I transported new cars from assembly plants, to new car dealers all over the U.S. On one trip, I had one unit left, and when I finally reached the town the dealer was in, it was 3:00 AM; I was actually within sight of Pontiac dealer I was headed to; not wanting to get a motel room, I just pulled off the road in a "wide spot", and went to sleep over the wheel; hell, I did it all the time ! This time however, when I woke up (about 8:00 AM, my whole right arm was numb; not only numb, but my whole right hand was like a "wet rag"........I couldn't move my fingers, my hand, nothing; I had a hell of a time unloading the Pontiac Trans Am (which was above my cab) At the time, I was about 500 miles from my home terminal, and about 700 miles from where I lived; to make a "long story short", I called the company, told them I only had one hand that was "working", and I managed to get clear home with other truck drivers.

First, I went to the V.A. hospital in Cincinnati; ( what a waste of time) I could have gone to junk yard and found out more about why my hand wouldn't "work" ! The next day, I went to the Mayfield Clinic in Cincinnati; ( a very highly thought of neurological clinic ) The young doctor who examined me took all of 10 minutes, and then told me..........you have "stretched" the radial nerve in your right arm; (by trying to sleep over the wheel of a truck! ) He then explained.....this nerve "inervates" all of the muscles in half of your arm, and most of your hand; there is no way to just "fix" it, but it WILL heal, in time, probably in less than a year, maybe in as little as 8 months; Guess what ? His diagnosis proved to be "spot on" as they usually say on A.net ! Only it took 6 months, not 8 months; ( I always have healed up fast ! )

All I know about anatomy is what I have been told by some pretty smart doctors; and so far, what they have told me has been right "on the money" ! ( all except for pediatricians; I HAVE seen some pediatricians who were a little "off".)
having had five children in my "early years", I have had occasion to deal with a fair number of pediatricians, and a few of them were.........a little off.

So I'm thinking........maybe you have stretched a nerve in your hand; I think I remember being told that every muscle has a nerve which inervates it; (makes it work) I'm starting to think that I might have stretched a nerve in my hand also; ( having a "numb hand" is kind of "a bummer" ) inasmuch as I just got my "sweetie" out of the hospital today, I'm thinking of seeing a "hand doc" next week.

BTW........about ER's in the U.S.: Yes, they DEFINITELY DO charge ! (Quite a lot, actually) But they are cheap, compared to what the hospitals charge for O.R.s; My Miss A has had 3 surgeries in two different hospitals, in just two weeks; the one hospital required we pay "our part" "up front"; (like right now) we got off pretty easy.....just $ 350 USD;
the cost for the OR (for one hour)......was $10,000 USD. (and that doesn't include the surgeon's fee) multiply that by three, plus 19 days in the hospital, ( and three treatments a week at the dialysis center for life, and you will see just how expensive health care is in the U.S.) (but then we're both on Medicare, which I don't have time to get into just now)

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
If you have private insurance, the copay for going to the ED is anywhere between $50 and $150.

With my deductible, it's anywhere between $50 and $4324.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
If you have private insurance, the copay for going to the ED is anywhere between $50 and $150.

I believe that just covers admittance though, right? Whatever treatment you get will cost whatever it says in your insurance policy.

For example, if I broke my arm and went to the ER, it would cost me $150 dollars just to be seen. After that, the bill for the treatment would be 20% of the final cost after the deductible (I think mine is $500) if I am treated by an in-network doctor (which I would have no trouble finding in Phoenix).

Or something like that. Thankfully, I haven't been admitted to a hospital since I was 7, and that was for a routine tonsillectomy.
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 20):
Thankfully, I haven't been admitted to a hospital since I was 7, and that was for a routine tonsillectomy.

It just takes one accident. Or a bad pneumonia...
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:26 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 20):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
If you have private insurance, the copay for going to the ED is anywhere between $50 and $150.

I believe that just covers admittance though, right? Whatever treatment you get will cost whatever it says in your insurance policy.

For example, if I broke my arm and went to the ER, it would cost me $150 dollars just to be seen. After that, the bill for the treatment would be 20% of the final cost after the deductible (I think mine is $500) if I am treated by an in-network doctor (which I would have no trouble finding in Phoenix).

Or something like that. Thankfully, I haven't been admitted to a hospital since I was 7, and that was for a routine tonsillectomy.

I just love our much maligned "socialist" medical insurance system. I must be one of the favourite customers of the (compulsory) medical insurance: I´m rarely ill, but I´m earning well above average, so I´m contributing close to the maximum rates.

On the other hand, if I need medical help, it is delivered competently and with a minimum of trouble and waiting
(I don´t count having to wait for an hour in an emergency room with a non-lifethreatening injury, because an ambulance just arrived with a patient in mortal danger as unnecessary. Of course the ER staff were concentrating on the patient with the cardiac arrest first instead of looking at my broken or sprained ankle (an idiot at work had slammed a MD-11 towbar into my heel)).
In any case, the treatmen t is fully covered by the medical insurance. The same happened when I woke up one morning some years ago with a whistling noise in my right ear, which wouldn´t go away. Because my father had died of the results of vascular problems and associated strokes, I´m very careful with anything which could be an imminent stroke, especially since I´m nearing now the age when he had his first stroke.
Treatment was carried out by my GP and an ear specialist and consisted of having to go to their clinic for a daily infusion for ten days. Again all covered by the insurance (except for the quaterly clinic fee of 10 Euros, which was introduced to prevent abuse of the system. Patients should go to their GP first, who would then refer them to the relevant specialist and coordinate the treatment, instead from jumping from doctor to doctor until they get the diagnosis they liked. There was lots of waste involved with the same tests having been carried out several times).
It was also intended to make it more epensive for hypochondriacs and those who just went to doctor to get a cert for their boss after a night of partying. During the first visit in a doctor´s clinic within the relevant quarter of the year you´ll have to pay those 10 Euros. Also if you visit a specialist on your own. If your GP refers you there, you won´t have to pay.).

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:17 am

I mysteriously experienced numbness in my pinky finger and the outside of my ring finger next to it (left hand). It drove me crazy because I couldn't play clarinet effectively because the left pinky has 5 different keys to choose from on a clarinet and I couldn't tell which one I was pressing.

Thankfully I was already out of college or it would've been a debilitating injury for me (I have a degree in music). Thankfully over a period of several months the numbness went away and feeling returned to my hand, although my grip is still not as strong as it was before it happened.

Annoying as all get out for a musician (granted most all I do these days is play in the church orchestra and our community band but still).
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 20):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):If you have private insurance, the copay for going to the ED is anywhere between $50 and $150.
I believe that just covers admittance though, right? Whatever treatment you get will cost whatever it says in your insurance policy.

For example, if I broke my arm and went to the ER, it would cost me $150 dollars just to be seen. After that, the bill for the treatment would be 20% of the final cost after the deductible (I think mine is $500) if I am treated by an in-network doctor (which I would have no trouble finding in Phoenix).

Speaking from experience, the co-pay for the ER visit covers just the ER visit itself, although I'd guess it depends on the hospital; when I broke my knee, I was billed $75 for the ER co-pay, however each doctor that saw me ultimately ended up billing me separately for their time (listed as "encounter with Dr. So-And-So" on the bill).

I later saw a placard on the wall of the ER advising that doctors on-site were not employed by the hospital and were independent contractors.
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Tue May 01, 2012 1:21 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 24):
I later saw a placard on the wall of the ER advising that doctors on-site were not employed by the hospital and were independent contractors.

This can be true, but it doesn't really mean that much for billing-- the hospital will still do that. It does mean the doctors may have worse health insurance than their patients.
 
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
It just takes one accident. Or a bad pneumonia...

Oh trust me, I know. I count my blessings every day, especially given that I work in one of the top 5 most dangerous environments. Hell, I sprained my ankle last year, and that was from stepping the wrong way! Thankfully it was OJI, so the company clinic took care of it. Still lost 2 days worth of wages (can't work if you're on crutches, not even light duty).

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 24):
Speaking from experience, the co-pay for the ER visit covers just the ER visit itself, although I'd guess it depends on the hospital; when I broke my knee, I was billed $75 for the ER co-pay, however each doctor that saw me ultimately ended up billing me separately for their time (listed as "encounter with Dr. So-And-So" on the bill).

I just had a friend who broke her wrist and had to have surgery... and doesn't have health insurance (can't afford it). We all laughed when she got her medical bill. The hospital and doctors will be lucky if they see 10% of the bill.
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Tue May 01, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 26):
We all laughed when she got her medical bill. The hospital and doctors will be lucky if they see 10% of the bill.

I had a fellow American student when in Grad school in the US. He got her illegal, Costa Rican, girlfriend pregnant and the baby was born with a serious heart defect. He had no insurance. This was in CHO, and they had to airlift the baby to Boston for emergency surgery. You can imagine the bill. We laughed everytime he showed us the latest one arriving in the mail.

Still, he ended up having to file for bankruptcy and his credit was ruined for years. Also hurt him a lot during the second year job search.
 
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Tue May 01, 2012 8:53 am

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We all laughed when she got her medical bill.

I did the same, BECAUSE of my insurance.

The "price" of the surgery on the bill? $30K.

The "adjustment/write-off" made for the insurance company? $28K.

My insurance said I was responsible for 20% of the remaining amount, or $400.

That $400 was then picked up by my wife's insurance.

Final cost to me? Co-pays.
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Tue May 01, 2012 10:57 am

Ulnar nerve entrapment?

Look after these symptoms. Does it fit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulnar_nerve_entrapment

I've had the same symptoms. After a treatment with cooling bandages at the ellbow and trying not to use the left arm for a while it disappeared after 3 to 4 month.
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Tue May 01, 2012 7:00 pm

I think you have Neuritis, and it can last for months, I got it from falling asleep on my arm on a flight from LHR-DXB and that was in 08, and it still feels numb every now and then.
 
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Tue May 01, 2012 7:44 pm

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Ulnar nerve entrapment?

Very possible. Even likely. Are you going to suggest a diagnosis to someone you've never met, though?

I wouldn't.
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Tue May 01, 2012 9:02 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 15):
I know this is off topic but do you have to pay for going to an ER in the USA

Around here you will generally hit $1K for a simple visit with minimum blood work.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 26):
I just had a friend who broke her wrist and had to have surgery... and doesn't have health insurance (can't afford it). We all laughed when she got her medical bill. The hospital and doctors will be lucky if they see 10% of the bill.

That is part of the game that makes US medical care the most expensive in the world. Your friend will be amazed how fast the hospital will turn her over to a collection agency, with her credit score taking a nasty hit. By the time she gets through all the BS my bet is that she will be pretty supportive of a Medicare type plan for all, financed with taxes.

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