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Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 1:43 pm

Will Obama get a second term? Or will it be Romney?
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 1:55 pm

We don't know yet. But I can say for sure that it will be the dirtiest campaign in US history. The lies and distortions being put out already - 6 months before the election - by Obama even caused Arianna Huffington to call them "despicable".
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will Obama get a second term? Or will it be Romney?

I think it's going to be Obama, What is your opinion?
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:07 pm

I think so too. Will Republicans regain control in the future?
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will Obama get a second term?

I think it's his election to lose.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Will Republicans regain control in the future?

Yes, at some point they will.

Another question is of course: Will Mars attack?
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
I think it's going to be Obama
Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
I think so too
Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
I think it's his election to lose.

Really? I was under the impression that the rupublicans would be way ahead, and so many were too dissappointed with Obama. Well, that's what media from the US makes me thing at least.

I for one hope it will be Obama, Romney doesn't seem like any good.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:16 pm

It's unlikely we'll have a clear idea until election day.

Lies and distortions have become an emblem of American elections over the past 20-30 years. Bush's 2004 re-election campaign didn't focus on the achievements of the Republican administration, or the expectations of the next term, but instead sought to paint Kerry as a wimpy, wishy-washy, will-say-anything-to-get-elected candidate. And the tactic was very successful.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:30 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
Another question is of course: Will Mars attack?

Can't, they have been raided by Twix.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The lies and distortions being put out already - 6 months before the election - by Obama

It is nothing compared to the clown the republicans have put up. Romney will get smacked in the face on this one.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 2:53 pm

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 9):
It is nothing compared to the clown the republicans have put up. Romney will get smacked in the face on this one.

Examples? I haven't heard him say any whoppers yet.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Examples? I haven't heard him say any whoppers yet.

You must have been asleep several times when he was trying to relate to the "real America" (TM). One such example is "My wife drives a couple of Cadillacs."
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 4:08 pm

Well, it is a very weird election. We know the Christian right will lose -- neither candidate is accepted as a real Christian. We also know a defense hawk will win.

The only difference appears to be Romney's talent with managing money. Otherwise they are politically identical.
 
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Thu May 03, 2012 4:20 pm

Yes, he will... "- 4 more years!!!"
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will Obama get a second term?

Yes.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Or will it be Romney?

No.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:22 pm

Obama might squeak in but it is going to be a hell of a campaign. Indiana is lost for certain and Pennsylvania is a close toss-up unlike last time but many of the states that Obama barely won are still up for grabs. As the Baba O'Riley song from The Who goes; "Obama" has to fight for his meals.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 18):
Obama might squeak in but it is going to be a hell of a campaign. Indiana is lost for certain and Pennsylvania is a close toss-up unlike last time but many of the states that Obama barely won are still up for grabs. As the Baba O'Riley song from The Who song goes; "Obama" has to fight for his meals.

It's too early to declare any state, other than those that are historically solid red or blue, "lost for certain." In 2004, when it appeared Ohio would be "lost for certain" (regardless of the Democratic challenger), the Republicans hastily proposed a state amendment prohibiting gay marriage to the ballot. They then launched a grassroots campaign, going door-to-door, organizing voter registration drives, etc. to spread awareness. Many political scientists like to point out that Democratic turnout was lower-than-expected and Republican turnout higher-than-expected that year, suggesting the gay marriage ban -- which ultimately passed by a healthy margin -- gave Bush Ohio and thus the election.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:59 pm

Hopefully he will. If only so we can have four more years of all the conservatives here bitching like hell.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Thu May 03, 2012 8:52 pm

Personally, I think it's way too close to call and a lot can happen between now and then.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 12:18 am

3 things come into play,

Number 1, if Obama loses a few key states that he marginally carried last time, he is in trouble, and some early polls are showing he is going to have a tough time carrying these states again, not saying he will lose all of them but the Democrats will have to spend a lot of money and Obama a lot of time in these states this time.

Number 2, the independent registered voters, who could go either way, with some early polls showing them slightly leaning towards voting Republican.

Number 3, will the blacks come out and vote in the huge numbers like they did 4 years ago where they helped Obama carry some normally Republican southern states, tune in November 6th to find out.

Remember, he is not running against a ticket that had Sarah Palin on it, the Democrats had a field day with her especially whenever she opened her mouth and said something stupid, she cost the Republicans a lot of votes.

A lot of things can happen between now and November 6th.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 12:56 am

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 26):
Remember, he is not running against a ticket that had Sarah Palin on it, the Democrats had a field day with her especially whenever she opened her mouth and said something stupid, she cost the Republicans a lot of votes.

Most polling indicated Palin "excited" the right-ring base, bringing people to the polls who otherwise would not have voted. It's thought that if Palin hadn't been in the race, a state like GA may have went to Obama (due to the large black turnout alongside low conservative turn out).

In 2004, early polling showed Kerry with the lead but a masterful campaign by Bush (as I outlined above) ultimately lead to his narrow re-election.

It's worth mentioning that a "win" by Obama may ultimately be a long-term loss for the Democratic Party. Although Bush was re-elected in 2004, lingering resentment lead to the Democrats taking control of both Congress chambers (beginning in 2006) as well as the Presidency. After Bush's re-election, most top political scientists agreed that the Republican revolution would continue well into the future, as existing policy (Grandmastering, the difficulty in ousting incumbent Congressman due to financial & procedural disadvantages, etc.) would make it nearly impossible for the Democrats to regain control of Congress. Should Obama be re-elected, perhaps history will repeat itself.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:41 am

As of this November, I will be a voter for 40 years and as a teen and child, I have been interested in politics and usually pro-Democrat due to various influences. I believe it will be a narrow win in overall votes and electoral votes for President Obama.

The degree of difference will be subject to factors, most importantly the overall economic issues with the USA, but also the Euro crises, the decisions of the SCOTUS as to the Health Care laws, a very serious overseas crises with Iran or North Korea or some surprise issue we are not sure of yet. We don't know who Romney will choose for a VP candidate and he hopes he won't choose one that will hurt. Changes in Congressional districts, including ones heavily influenced by the Republican dominate state could affect the voting outcome. Unlike 1968 or 1992, we probably won't see a 3rd party candidate that will get enough votes to affect the outcome so it will really be a one-on-one battle.

As others suggest, it really will be hate-filled campaign by both sides. I am afraid some ads and things said will tip over the line; we have already seen that as to the bashing of Romney saying he wouldn't have taken out Osama bin Laden if had been President. Romney has been long bashing Obama on being a 'socialist'.

I am also concerned that many won't vote. Some on the right as see Romney as too centrist or due to his Mormon/LDS faith. On the left, some won't vote as unhappy with Obama. Already the labor unions are not showing much love for Obama and the Democrats as not doing enough to protect their members and workers in general and not cracking down on excesses of Corporations and the richest Americans. Some independents may not vote at all due to dirty and horrendous overspending on campaigning, issues or believing their vote will be worthless as the politicians are not talking about policy that will help them get a job, get out of their debt hole or make them feel more financially secure.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:47 am

For the gamblers among us, the bookies have Obama to hold on at pretty short odds of $1.40 with the Republicans paying $2.75

So for anyone who genuinly believes that Romney will take it, find yourself an online gaming website and stick the house on Republican as $2.75 is pretty good money.

My belief, Obama will hold on. Not for any policy or performance reason, just voter sentiment.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 5:47 am

Obama will win, no problem, he has done a good job and has a lot more good work to do.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 9:17 am

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 26):
Remember, he is not running against a ticket that had Sarah Palin on it, the Democrats had a field day with her especially whenever she opened her mouth and said something stupid, she cost the Republicans a lot of votes.

There was nothing the GOP could have done to win in 08, the GFC and bailouts that they got the blame for (mostly the prior) put the nail in the coffin. They could have resurrected Reagan and there wouldn't have been a chance.

No, but he is running against the most disliked nominee in decades whom has to say that his own policy (the basis for Obamacare) was a mistake.

Also if Romney picks a running mate that is there to energize the base he better home he/she is smart and knows their s*hit.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):

Obama will win, no problem, he has done a good job and has a lot more good work to do.

Unless the dems get congress back then he is going to get stonewalled for the next 4 years. He will be more aggressive sure but he is going to face the same opposition.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
We don't know yet. But I can say for sure that it will be the dirtiest campaign in US history. The lies and distortions being put out already - 6 months before the election - by Obama even caused Arianna Huffington to call them "despicable".

I agree that its going to be dirty for the reason that it works but don't try and say the democrats are going to be worse as they are up against a guy who spent $122 million getting the nomination, mostly on negative adds.  
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 32):
There was nothing the GOP could have done to win in 08, the GFC and bailouts that they got the blame for (mostly the prior) put the nail in the coffin.

Bush was struggling against a GOP-controlled Congress late into his first term. Ideally, many within the GOP would've liked to have replaced Bush with somebody further to the right, but such candidate would've stood little chance within the general election. The 2004 election was arguably the Democrat's to lose; a very successful campaign by Bush (as I outlined above) coupled with renewed feelings about the economy lead to his re-election. Exit polling in 2006 made it clear the American people wanted sweeping change within Congress. With or without the economic collapse, the 2008 election would've been difficult for the GOP to win.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 28):
As others suggest, it really will be hate-filled campaign by both sides.

Newt Gingrich is often credited with inventing hate-triad politics when he took his messages to C-SPAN in the mid-1980s. By the early 1990s, the platform had been elevated and birthed the Republican Revolution. Today, both parties embrace such tactics. And sadly, these are often the highest rated radio and television programs. Until people learn to think for themselves, this is unlikely to change.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:33 pm

Personally I hate MItt or "mittens" as we call him..He is the epitome of how corporate execs smack down the middle class..But I have to say I haven't voted in 20 yrs but I will come out to vote AGAINST Obama. My reasons are not that I dislike Obama but I DESPISE his appointments i.e Holder, Napalitano, etc... But Obama has a good chance of re election for the one reason I have told others..I said Obama will not win the Republicans will lose if they put up a weak candidate and sure enough they did.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:37 pm

If most people have jobs and feel good about the economy in October - Obama wins.

If most people are out of work and worried about the economy in October - Romney wins.

Same as the election campaign for any sitting president. That's why Bush 2 and Clinton were re-elected, and Bush 1, Carter and Ford lost their elections.

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Fri May 04, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 35):
Bush was struggling against a GOP-controlled Congress late into his first term. Ideally, many within the GOP would've liked to have replaced Bush with somebody further to the right, but such candidate would've stood little chance within the general election.

That is news to me, what specifically did he really disagree with regarding congress considering they pretty much gave him a rubber stamp. I don't recall the GOP countering him on much outside of the initial TARP vote. Was that just the GOP falling in line with their guy??

Also who at the time was seen to be more right that Bush at the time? Although fiscally he didn't govern like a conservative at all.

One of the things that made GWB a good politician is that he didn't care and got what he wanted done and was able to influence congress. Now IMO his ideas sucked but he got them done.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 40):
what specifically did he really disagree with regarding congress

Bush long supported and tried to bring to Congress an immigration plan.

It consisted of a way for illegals in the US to earn legal status and citizenship and a large 'guest worker' program. Which would allow tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people from Mexico specifically to be identified and paired up with 'low wage' jobs in the US. That they could cross the border at will. Bush thought this would provide the workers that his Republican big business owner supporters demanded, yet keep the families still in Mexico where the US wages would provide a higher standard of living than in the US.

The Republican congressional leadership absolutely refused to consider any proposal that granted 'amnesty' to illegals currently in the US. They especially disliked Bush's part of the plan for an identity card with a master database and biometric data which would positively identify all workers in the US - thus making hiring illegals almost impossible.

I've always thought George Bush wasn't smart enough to make a good governor, much less President. Still thing so. Believe my point has been proven beyond any doubt.

However, he did have a few good ideas.

But he was terrible at picking people to carry out his ideas.

I do like that now his mission in life seems to be to help those wounded and maimed in his wars.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 37):
If most people have jobs and feel good about the economy in October - Obama wins.

People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/people...rce-participation-rate-lowest-1981

29.7 Million Seek Work

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm.../2012/05/03/Real-Unemployment-rate

Implied Unemployment Rate Rises To 11.5%

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/implie...paganda-number-surges-30-year-high

Weak Jobs Report Keeps More Fed Easing in Play

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47294515

Morici: Why The Job Numbers Are So Bad

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47294387

 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 5:07 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 40):
That is news to me, what specifically did he really disagree with regarding congress considering they pretty much gave him a rubber stamp...Also who at the time was seen to be more right that Bush at the time? ...
One of the things that made GWB a good politician is that he didn't care and got what he wanted done and was able to influence congress. Now IMO his ideas sucked but he got them done.

Toward the conclusion of his first term and the first half of his second, Bush most certainly struggled much more than he should have with his agenda despite a GOP-controlled Congress. And for a Republican, Bush is definitely closer to the center. History's still judging the Clinton Administration; only time will develop a true judgement on Bush.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Fri May 04, 2012 6:20 pm

I'm more curious as to why people will vote the way they will. If Obama wins, how much of it is it a vote against Romney and the Tea-Party hijacked Republican party. If Romney wins, how much of it is a vote against Obama and his various missteps while in office. I personally don't think Obama's been that bad, but he hasn't been that great either--and just as I didn't understand the basis for the venomous vitriol from the left against Bush during his term in office (other than that he isnt from our party), I don't understand the basis for some of the vitriol against Obama. Looking long-term, Bush will be remembered more for what he did, and Obama will be remembered more for what he didn't do (with a slight asterisk if Obamacare is ruled in favor of by Scotus).

In other words, will people be voting because they love the candidate that they are voting for, or because they hate the other guy so much they want anyone else to win?
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 1:54 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 5):
I for one hope it will be Obama, Romney doesn't seem like any good.


As compared to what...Obama?...LOL!
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 47):
If he does win he can no longer blame Bush for what he "inherited"...it is now his "own mess" he will inherit.

Yep, 'cause we all that messes have an expiry date of 4 years  
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 47):
...If he does win he can no longer blame Bush for what he "inherited"...it is now his "own mess" he will inherit.

The Great Recession is a generational problem - WIllard certainly won't be able to best Obama in improving the lot of the lower and middle classes. Buying his wife a couple of Caddys and a thousand dollar T-Shirt doesn't cut it. Maybe more investments in building infrastructures will change things around, but a $1K T-Shirt?
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 3:32 am

Quoting us330 (Reply 44):
why people will vote the way they will.

You hit it right - a LOT of people vote against someone, something rather than for anything/ anyone.

There are an increasing number of one issue voters in my opinion who look for something to vote against.

Of course, finding a politician as reasonable, honest, hard working and practical as I am is very hard.  
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 37):
If most people have jobs and feel good about the economy in October - Obama wins.If most people are out of work and worried about the economy in October - Romney wins.Same as the election campaign for any sitting president. That's why Bush 2 and Clinton were re-elected, and Bush 1, Carter and Ford lost their elections.Nothing else really matters.

While I agree the economy will be the tipping point for many voters, I don't agree with your assessment.

Had Perot not ran in 1992, Bush I would've likely been easily re-elected. But Clinton's election most certainly energized the Conservative base and factored heavily in the sweeping, unprescidented Republican Congressional victories of 1994. (Sound familiar?)

And in 2004, the huge turnout of young adults 25 and under, unhappy with the Iraq War (among other issues) and seemingly overwhelmingly in favor of Kerry, never materialized. Although most polling correctly predicted Bush's re-election (by a razon-thin margin), most conceded the difficulty in polling young adults, since most did not have a landline and an increasingly large number (vs. prior years) was still living with their parents. What remains unclear is why this demographic didn't turn out to vote (in the large numbers expected); it could very well be that many preceived Kerry to be a weak candidate.

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I do believe the 2012 election is Obama's to lose. Romney remains notoriously popular in MA (he won the Republican primary with over 70% of the vote) yet trails Obama by 20-points in early polling. Much like Bush II vs. Kerry in 2004, the Obama campaign should be able to protray Romney as an out-of-touch, say-and-do-anything-to-get-elected candidate.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 51):
the Obama campaign should be able to protray Romney as an out-of-touch, say-and-do-anything-to-get-elected candidate.

Overall I believe Romney is a decent man. Takes his religion and marriage vows seriously. And grew up in a successful family environment. I'll give him credit that he pretty well earned his millions by hard work (with some fantastic contacts).

Is the guy out of touch? For those not in the wealthy realms in America I think he is exceptionally out of touch. And, contrary to the yelling from the hard right media, his lovely wife does not understand the difficulties and challenges that middle class (and below) women go through. Working mothers who have to work - especially when their husbands have lost their jobs because of the Great Recession. Out of touch, but decent people.

As for the ability of Mitt too shift gears on a dime, he's just responding to fast position changes because, IMO, he does not have that solid a political position. He bought in Obamacare in MA before Obama was elected President. He understood the need for reform in health care costs. His domestic positions will bend - especially when big money calls. Internationally I think he will probably listen to the people with solid and reasonable understanding of international relations. But he will be more like Bush than Obama - hopefully without starting an unnecessary war.

I think the guy wants to be President just to be President. There is no driving reason besides the job being there. As such he probably would not be that good a President, except for the big contributors.
 
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Sat May 05, 2012 5:43 am

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 6:09 am

I personally think that Obama doesn't stand a chance.

Everything he does is shooting himself in the foot at this point. I really wish he would have not sought a second term so that we could get a democrat in there that actually knew what he/she was doing.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 36):
I do believe the 2012 election is Obama's to lose. Romney remains notoriously popular in MA (he won the Republican primary with over 70% of the vote) yet trails Obama by 20-points in early polling. Much like Bush II vs. Kerry in 2004, the Obama campaign should be able to protray Romney as an out-of-touch, say-and-do-anything-to-get-elected candidate.

Romney has one demographic in hand which is white men (he does have a stranglehold on that and McCain won it in 2008). He is losing to Obama on the women vote (as much as 20 points in some polls) which his stance with the religious nuts do not help him.

Also his stance on immigration means that he will likely lose Latino votes and blacks are a given.
When Republicans win they usually carry more than just white men and time have changed and the US is very diverse and this spells trouble for him I reckon. However there is a first time for everything.

If he can't close the gap with women (majority of voters right there) he is in trouble and he needs to drop the war on women. If not it is just feeding a win for Obama because women will vote for him just to defend their rights that they did fight for over 40 years ago.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 37):
Is the guy out of touch? For those not in the wealthy realms in America I think he is exceptionally out of touch. And, contrary to the yelling from the hard right media, his lovely wife does not understand the difficulties and challenges that middle class (and below) women go through. Working mothers who have to work - especially when their husbands have lost their jobs because of the Great Recession. Out of touch, but decent people.

He was successful no doubt but he was also born into wealth as well and had opportunities given to him much easier than people rising from the lower classes of society simply because he didn't have to climb up a whole lot. Simply he is out of touch because he hasn't experienced being poor where as Obama and many others have and worked their way up.

Does he have to apologize for it, absolutely not but he should be humble about it and that will earn him a lot more respect with the electorate.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 12:08 pm

Quoting geezer (Reply 38):
Not only will Mitt win, he'll do such a fabulous job in his first term

I have nothing against Mitt. I actually think he would make a good president--he has the managerial skills necessary to get things done, and one of the biggest criticisms of him, that he is an ideological flip-flopper, is actually a positive in my opinion because it reflects a guy who is results oriented. Let's face it, rhetoric can only take you so far--sooner or later people will actually want you to do something (see Obama, for example of a classic case of this). He is independently wealthy so, in theory, at least, he shouldnt be beholden to special interests or lobby groups, and can do what he thinks is right.

That said, my problem, and my major concern about the guy, is the possible influence of the evangelical right, the tea party, and other elements of the far right (ie the strain of anti-intellectualism) that disgust me as a center right person. Hopefully he is only paying lip service to their needs so that he can get elected, and once he gets elected, he can cordon them off. I just don't know if he's going to or if he will. And I'm also so disgusted by these same elements that part of me wants the Republican party to get blown out in the elections just so the party leaders can reform their strategy and their party, because they have managed to paint themselves into a demographic corner by catering to the extremist elements within the party.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 1:24 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 41):
He is independently wealthy so, in theory, at least, he shouldnt be beholden to special interests or lobby groups, and can do what he thinks is right.

Of course he does, he may be worth 9 figures but this election is expected to cost at the minimum 10 figures per side. Romney is rich but he worth $250 million and is getting backed by guys who are far richer.

Quoting us330 (Reply 41):
Hopefully he is only paying lip service to their needs so that he can get elected, and once he gets elected, he can cordon them off. I just don't know if he's going to or if he will.

I think the right base is far less forgiving than the left base at the present time, if he wins and doesn't kiss their @$$es I could very well see him getting pulled from re-election in 2016.

Quoting us330 (Reply 41):
And I'm also so disgusted by these same elements that part of me wants the Republican party to get blown out in the elections just so the party leaders can reform their strategy and their party, because they have managed to paint themselves into a demographic corner by catering to the extremist elements within the party.

This was supposed to happen after getting blown out in 06 and 08 but they just got more extreme. Hopefully you are right and the will reform themselves but more likely than not if they do get blown out and the dems get everything back. The sane members of the party will split it up because their voices are the ones that will work with the democrats to actually get things freaking done at the centre.

Quoting us330 (Reply 41):
see Obama, for example of a classic case of this

Obama wanted to and wants to work with the other side but when the opposition's policy is whatever he wants, we disagree nothing gets done.

He could vow to eliminate all taxes all together and the GOP would oppose it, I hope for that sake the GOP loses it all again. Adults who disagree work together and come up with a compromise and people who don't are children. I know the GOP's goal is to get him out of office but it should not be at the expense of the entire country.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 1:54 pm

Yes I think Obama will win a second term.

The polls have settled down and consistently show a small but sufficiently large large gap in popular vote. The outlook for delegate count by states also looks good for him. The GOP are taking some extreme positions trying to energize the far right and that is hurting them with the middle which will impact the swing states.
 
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 4:36 pm

Obama didn't exactly win in a landslide against McCain which is arguably a much weaker opponent than Romney. I see a few problems ahead:

- Many people on the right would not have voted for Santorum because of his extremist views; less people on the right will withhold their vote because Romney isn't extreme enough

- Obama got a lot of 'novelties' votes. I doubt the same number of people, wanting a black president, will make it to the polls again for something as unglamorous as a re-election

- Obama is much too centrist for the liberals and if his Mass. policies are any indication of his political ambitions on a national level, Romney is far too little a threat to scare people to the polls

- The Obama administration gets flamed for what they haven't done yet, but get no credit for what they have achieved

- Much less liberally-minded people are registered voters than Jesus-people so that a demographic minority becomes disproportionally represented politically

Obama is likely to win, but only because nobody really cares about Romney. But elections are a joke, and anything but a reflection of the people's will anyway. I don't think you could find more than 10% of Americans that actually agree with the views of a Mr Santorum, socially. Fiscally, well, any first semester student in either macroeconomics or history will have a very hard time taking the Republicans plans seriously; it's a compliment calling them 'plans' really.

If the Republicans paint America's future under Obama as a communist dystopia, maybe Obama should start painting the future of America under a Republican administration as what they'd ideally make it: Europe in the year 1700.

It'd be great if more young people in the US took an interest in politics and voted for what they believe in. The Republicans of today would be outta business by tomorrow.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will Obama Get A Second Term?

If he wins the election, yes he'll serve a second term. If he loses, he won't.


If it's Romney/Rubio, I believe it will be the first anchor baby ticket with fathers being Mexican and Cuban respectively.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting something (Reply 44):

It'd be great if more young people in the US took an interest in politics and voted for what they believe in. The Republicans of today would be outta business by tomorrow.

Think again. A LOT of young people I know are going to vote against Obama.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting ual777 (Reply 46):
Think again. A LOT of young people I know are going to vote against Obama.

He doesn't need to think again. 65% of the youth vote went to Obama in 2008 -- that's still A LOT of votes against Obama, but it's a very clear majority in favor of.

Consider Texas. 54% of the youth vote went for Obama -- the only age demographic he won -- but only 39% of elgible youths voted (among the lowest turnout in the nation, which totaled 51%). Consider the surge of young, college-educated voters (both very strong Democrat demographics) who've relocated into TX over the past four years. Also consider the surge in Hispanics (which vote 63% for Obama). If a strong showing of young & Hispanic voters show up at the polls, it'll make it an interesting race. But history tells us it's unlikely to happen.

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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 47):
He doesn't need to think again. 65% of the youth vote went to Obama in 2008 -- that's still A LOT of votes against Obama, but it's a very clear majority in favor of.

Consider Texas. 54% of the youth vote went for Obama -- the only age demographic he won -- but only 39% of elgible youths voted (among the lowest turnout in the nation, which totaled 51%).

The last part of what you said is actually what I was getting at. Most of my friends in the US don't vote, nor are they even registered. Some of them simply try to avoid jury duty, others just don't care about politics because it's ''lame''. But ask anybody under 30, be it from Manhattan or rural Texas, if they think homosexuality is a sin, abortions should be illegal, all immigrants should be deported, etc. Ask them about gun laws, the death penalty, wars, torture of prisoners, health care, environmentalism or the school system there.. I for one have yet to meet people who'd agree with the Republican positions on these matters. But then again, you would somehow assume that an objective mind will intuitively grasp the correlation between availability of firearms and gun-related crimes, the lack of a social welfare net and the crime rate, an anachronistic approach to sex ed and teen pregnancies etc.
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RE: Will Obama Get A Second Term?

Sat May 05, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 47):

He doesn't need to think again. 65% of the youth vote went to Obama in 2008 -- that's still A LOT of votes against Obama, but it's a very clear majority in favor of.

Consider Texas. 54% of the youth vote went for Obama -- the only age demographic he won -- but only 39% of elgible youths voted (among the lowest turnout in the nation, which totaled 51%). Consider the surge of young, college-educated voters (both very strong Democrat demographics) who've relocated into TX over the past four years. Also consider the surge in Hispanics (which vote 63% for Obama). If a strong showing of young & Hispanic voters show up at the polls, it'll make it an interesting race. But history tells us it's unlikely to happen.

Obama had a huge push in 2008, and I think young voter turnout will be much lower this election as things have been business as usual.

Quoting something (Reply 48):
Ask them about gun laws, the death penalty, wars, torture of prisoners, health care, environmentalism or the school system there.. I for one have yet to meet people who'd agree with the Republican positions on these matters. But then again, you would somehow assume that an objective mind will intuitively grasp the correlation between availability of firearms and gun-related crimes, the lack of a social welfare net and the crime rate, an anachronistic approach to sex ed and teen pregnancies etc.

I know many people that agree with the death penalty, health care, and many other Republican positions. These are all people under 30 too!

The thing people don't understand (especially when from across the pond), is that many of us don't want your social welfare net, insanely high taxes, and rediculous "enviromental" regulations (see the departure taxes on airfare).

While I take issue with some Republican platforms, Romney is a very moderate candidate and I think will be best suited for the Presidency.

Obama's administration has done/said things that make my stomach churn. Most recently is his talk about trying to forgive student loan debt. Who pays for it? Maybe if these idiots didn't get degrees in art appreciation and instead earned something in engineering, science, business or healthcare, they wouldn't have $100,000 dollars in debt and a piece of paper that says "general studies." As far as I'm concerned, they can go do 4 years in the military to pay it off.
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