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The Classic Cars Thread

Wed May 09, 2012 6:32 pm

I've been flipping through a book with some great info and photos of classic cars. A.net seems to be full of car appreciators, so I figured I'd start an all-inclusive thread on the subject.

Anyone working on restoring a classic? Anyone own one that's been kept in pristine condition or restored by another? Or perhaps you're looking for one. If money was no object, what would you run out and buy today? Classic trucks included too.

A few on my list would include:

'72 Corvette
'71 Mustang Mach 1
'70 Dodge Challenger
'69 GTO
'68 Mustang Cobra Jet
'67 Corvette L-88
'63 Ford Galaxie 500
'63 Ford Thunderbird M-Code
'62 Olds Starfire
'59 Pontiac Catalina
'59 Olds Dynamic 88 "holiday"
'59 Impala
'59 Cadillac Eldorado
'57 Ford Thunderbird
'52 Lincoln Capri


I have a real thing for late 50s/early 60s cars that sported outrageous fins on the rear. Color those things a deep red and the thing looks like a rocket ship. Love it. But I'm also really big on the muscle cars of the late 60s and early 70s, so it's a tough choice what I'd choose if I were allowed to own only one classic car.

I think of the finned models, I'd go for the '59 Eldo. For the sporty cars, It's a tossup between the '72 Corvette and the '68 Mustang Cobra Jet.


This thread is useless without pics, so here's some fin action to get us started:







Anyway, talk about anything classic car related! I'd also like to see some discussion of classic movies featuring classic cars. For example, who could forget the 1970 Dodge Challenger that appeared in Vanishing Point?



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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Wed May 09, 2012 7:18 pm

Great thread.

Jaguar Mk II

http://www.velocityjournal.com/images/full/2002/s2002080401/hg1960mk2sedan5801.jpg

Jaguar E-Type Series 1 Coupe

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DmHLPW35Ic4/TMfm7GSZSiI/AAAAAAAAAG0/VVKeKd-hLvc/s1600/E-Type_Series1_coupe.jpeg

Porsche 911 2.7 RS

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8775/dsc00976db7.jpg

Porsche 356 Speedster

http://www.providecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/electric-porsche-356-speedster-conversion.jpg

Triumph TR6



BMW 2002 Turbo

http://www.bmwism.com/all_bmw/bmw_2002_turbo_bmw_ag.jpg

Maserati Bora

http://allcarcentral.com/Maserati/Maserati_Bora_1975_3rd_EIT0055_Concorso_It_2009.jpg

Maserati Ghibli

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_website/octane_interact/modelpicture.php?id=1119

Fiat 131 Abarth



Ford Falcon Cobra



Lotus Cortina Mk 1

http://www.shorey.net/Auto/British/Lotus/1965%20Lotus%20Cortina%20-%20frontR.jpg

Ford Falcon GTHO Phase III (Aussie muscle doesn't come any more expensive than this)



Chrysler Valianr Charger R/T E37

http://mannamaker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/car_photo_304854_25.jpg

Holden Torana A9X

http://www.roh.com.au/external_media/Torana_A9x_Desktop_1024x768.jpg
 
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Wed May 09, 2012 8:34 pm

A thread to just post random pics of nice classic cars?
...cool.

http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/de-tomaso-mangusta/de-tomaso-mangusta-04.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lqcapwW1CkU/Sb_K5XlqHfI/AAAAAAAADCA/3FIVplYj_hM/s1600/RenaultAlpine.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nEcS7mTzh94/TMz5Qg8yT8I/AAAAAAAAEGc/imU5srKDgNo/s1600/IMG_0289.JPG



to be continued...
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Wed May 09, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 2):

A thread to just post random pics of nice classic cars?
...cool.

Well, mostly to discuss classic cars, but to include some pics as well. I'm interested to see if anyone is working on any classic cars, or what they'd get if they could own one. Plus discuss classic movies that have memorable classic cars in them, like Vanishing Point or Smokey and the Bandit or Blues Brothers and such.
 
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Wed May 09, 2012 8:47 pm

francoflier the RS2 is a beast of a car, but it isn't old enough to be a classic car, it's a future classic car for sure.
 
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Wed May 09, 2012 8:53 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 3):
Well, mostly to discuss classic cars,

Boo. Words bad, pictures good.
 

I do dream of restoring a classic sometime. If life didn't take a steep left turn recently I'd be starting to find a shed somewhere, filling it up with tools and looking for a prospective tenant in need of extreme surgery.

I like all old cars, some do interest me more than others but then a lot of that comes from the 'motor landscape' we grew up in I guess.
I prefer young classics, mostly Italian or German, and I'd probably start with something relatively easy to work on an with a still relatively low value.
Golf GTI mark I would do fine.
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Wed May 09, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 4):
, but it isn't old enough to be a classic car

Too soon?  

It depends on the definition of a classic... I tend to think the RS2 was born a classic. It's value is only going to go up from now.
But then it's still less than 20 years old.
Again, to each generation their classics.
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Wed May 09, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Thread starter):
If money was no object, what would you run out and buy today?

I bought mines 4 years ago.
Although not considered a "classic" but what I wanted.

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Wed May 09, 2012 9:29 pm

My dad is working on a Reliant Scimitar GTE SE5A, so far all the mechanics minus the engine is done. The body isn't pretty, it has a diy paint job done by a previous owner.

Like this one:
http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/reliant/scimitar_se5/1969_reliant_scimitar_se5_overdrive_05_sb.jpg

I have probably recieved some damage helping my dad on his Scimitar, but I would really like to get my hands on a Reliant Sabre Six, like this:
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Wed May 09, 2012 10:53 pm

My Dad has a 1970 Roadrunner, similar to the one below, except in black. We are going to start restoring it soon. His is a Matching #s 383 V8 with an Automatic transmission.



My favorites are:

1968-70 Plymouth Roadrunner (They screwed up the 71 IMO)
1970-74 Plymouth Barracuda
1968-70 Dodge Superbee
1970-74 Dodge Challenger
1963-65 Chevy Impala
1967-69 Chevy Camaro (I was never the biggest fan of Firebirds, though)

Many, Many more. I am only 20, and I feel like I have a better appreciation for classic cars than most people my age. I appreciate almost any American car built before the mid-70's.
 
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Wed May 09, 2012 11:12 pm

I have never been a fan of mass-production cars. I am only interested in rare and/or grand cars.
Like:
Bentley SIII Flying Spur
Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow
Lancia HPE2000IE
Alfa Romeo 2600 Spider
Ferrari 365GT2+2

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 8):

The Reliant Scimitar is a cool car.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):

One of my favorites among the US cars although I like the predcessor with suicide doors even more.
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Wed May 09, 2012 11:29 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 1):
BMW 2002 Turbo

  

I have a friend who loves Corvettes and absolutely hates this car, but he's not here so I'll share the BMW 507   :
http://image.motortrend.com/f/29578251+w1500+ar1+st0/BMW-507-front-three-quarters-view.jpg

And then this one's been my absolute favorite since I first saw one...the DeTomaso Pantera (later models):
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Wed May 09, 2012 11:39 pm




This is still my dream car that I am seeking, since my family had one just like it when I was young.

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Thu May 10, 2012 6:51 am

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 1):
Porsche 911 2.7 RS

A friend of mine bought a replica one of these with a insurance settlement.
He was about 20 yo and it had a 2,4l over 200 hp engine.
About two days after he sold it the police phoned asking if it was his, it was found destroyed after a major crash w/o driver.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 7:50 am

This is my neighbour's Delta Integrale Evo.



Not really a true classic (we're talking late 80s, early 90s), but still a blast of a car which saw pretty limited production.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:00 am

I absolutley love the 80's Group B rally cars, I'd give my left nuts for any of the following

Lancia Delta S4



Lancia 037

http://www.deviantart.com/download/191377513/lancia_037_rally_02_by_venom800tt-d35xvu1.jpg

Peugeot 205 T16



Citroen BX 4TC

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_94Cf-lHVOmg/S-B0G6saUMI/AAAAAAAAGLY/cIRTououhSA/s1600/DSC_1294.JPG

Ford RS2000

http://www.theultimateshine.com/pics/RS200/RS200-40.JPG

Audi Sport Quattro S1

http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/audi-sport-quattro/audi-sport-quattro-02.jpg

and my favourite the MG Metro 6R4

 
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Thu May 10, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 15):
Lancia 037
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 15):
Ford RS2000

RS200 :p

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 15):
MG Metro 6R4

I absolutely agree with you, I love group B cars.
We have a local car museum, open about 10 tuesday evenings a year. They had a RS200 but sold it because it didn't fit in his collection. I think he bought 2 Ferraris and a Bentley with royal history for the money he got from the Ford.

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Thu May 10, 2012 8:55 pm

Not a big tifoso, but here's a couple of Ferraris I rather like:

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Fri May 11, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 17):
Not a big tifoso, but here's a couple of Ferraris I rather like:

For the other non-tifosos in the audience, the black car is a 412 and the red car is a 308 GTB.

I've always had a soft spot for the Aston Martin Lagonda, a car that when introduced in the mid-1970s looked to me like a preview of a Lincoln Town Car from the year 2000:
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/aston_martin_lagonda.jpg
Of course, the actual Lincoln Town Car from the year 2000 wound up looking nothing whatsoever like an Aston Martin Lagonda, which begs the question "What, then, was the point of Ford buying Aston Martin?".
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Fri May 11, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 18):
I've always had a soft spot for the Aston Martin Lagonda, a car that when introduced in the mid-1970s looked to me like a preview of a Lincoln Town Car from the year 2000:

Beautiful!   
I remember driving past one 2 years ago near San Francisco. I was in my Town Car. We both gave each other the thumbsup admiring each persons car.
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Fri May 11, 2012 4:49 am

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 3):
I'm interested to see if anyone is working on any classic cars, or what they'd get if they could own one.

A hail storm did in my current car. So now I'm looking for either a Porsche 944S, Turbo, or S2 but I might end up with an old Boxster instead. Hard to say which is the practical choice.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 17):
Not a big tifoso, but here's a couple of Ferraris I rather like:

Neither of those was Ferrari's best effort. Of course they weren't the Mondial either. And people think the Porsche 924 sucked...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I remember driving past one 2 years ago near San Francisco. I was in my Town Car. We both gave each other the thumbsup admiring each persons car.

You were both wrong.
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Fri May 11, 2012 5:18 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
You were both wrong.

LOL!  
His 1976 Aston Martin Lagonda and my 1977 Lincoln Town Car were the most beautiful cars on the road!  
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Fri May 11, 2012 7:05 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 18):

I've always had a soft spot for the Aston Martin Lagonda

I liked the Lagonda, especially in it's final Series 4 form.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/89_Lagonda.JPG/800px-89_Lagonda.JPG

and the Aston Martin Lagonda Series 1, Lagonda then signified the 4 door version of the DBS Coupe.

http://www.quattro-porte.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1974_Aston_Martin_Lagonda_690.jpg
 
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Fri May 11, 2012 7:30 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Neither of those was Ferrari's best effort.

It's what gives them a little charm and, importantly, non-astronomical resale prices.

A couple of classics from another great auto-nation:

Toyota 2000GT:


Datsun Z series:


And can the classic car definition police on here give me the verdict on the E30?
Because I'm getting one of them and restoring it one day...
 ...

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Fri May 11, 2012 7:35 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
His 1976 Aston Martin Lagonda and my 1977 Lincoln Town Car were the most beautiful cars on the road!

Wow! A whole street of Azteks and Elements!?

Quoting francoflier (Reply 23):
It's what gives them a little charm and, importantly, non-astronomical resale prices.

Maintenance prices are equally astronomical though.
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Fri May 11, 2012 7:51 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
I liked the Lagonda, especially in it's final Series 4 form.

Wow, me and Kiwirob agree on the same car.
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 24):
Wow! A whole street of Azteks and Elements!?

Actually you are correct. This was on the highway going through Berkeley. Lots of Elements a few Aztecs as well as other offenders such as the Prius, M-class, Matrix and other forgettable minivans.
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Sun May 13, 2012 5:25 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I bought mines 4 years ago.

Gorgeous, 'Fly. Love those old Lincolns. I would love to own a Bill Blass designer Mark V someday.

My dad and I worked on restoring his 1966 Ford Fairlane 500XL convertible for years. I loved that car. One day in 1993, my Dad took the now-completely restored Fairlane to the local shopping mall, and when he came out of the mall, a guy had left his business card under the wiper with a note to call him as he wanted to buy the car. My father called him and chatted about the car, and the guy offered him a ton of cash for it, and my Dad sold it to him the next day. I was away on a business trip to MSP, but when I got home a few day later and found out my father sold "our" car, I was crushed. But my Dad was only couple of years away from retirement, and the money from the sale would come in handy. C'est la vie. The photo below isn't our Ford, but it looks exactly like it.

1966 Ford Fairlane 500XL Convertible
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Sun May 13, 2012 10:46 am

P1800
http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/volvo-p1800/volvo-p1800-09.jpg

Class like never again from Volvo...
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Sun May 13, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 27):
P1800
Class like never again from Volvo...

That is a beautiful car. You would think that those are still in production in San Francisco because there are tons of those cars still running there.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 26):
Gorgeous, 'Fly. Love those old Lincolns. I would love to own a Bill Blass designer Mark V someday.

Should be easy to find. That is a beautiful car. I almost bought a 1978 BIll Blass for $700 back in 1995. I passed because it had the 400cu" engine. Those are problematic in the large Lincolns. They were fine for the smaller Torinos as a credit option.
The Bill Blass Mark V sold like hot cakes and many are still on the road. If you buy one, make sure it has the 7.5 liter 460cu" engine and avoid the 1979 model year altogether because the 400cu" was the only engine available that year.
The best year for the Mark V is 1978. It was the last year of the 460cu", but the first year with the 'Miles To Empty' digital display.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 26):
My dad and I worked on restoring his 1966 Ford Fairlane 500XL convertible for years. I loved that car. One day in 1993, my Dad took the now-completely restored Fairlane to the local shopping mall, and when he came out of the mall, a guy had left his business card under the wiper with a note to call him as he wanted to buy the car. My father called him and chatted about the car, and the guy offered him a ton of cash for it, and my Dad sold it to him the next day. I was away on a business trip to MSP, but when I got home a few day later and found out my father sold "our" car, I was crushed. But my Dad was only couple of years away from retirement, and the money from the sale would come in handy. C'est la vie. The photo below isn't our Ford, but it looks exactly like it.

Was it navy blue? There is one is San Francisco I'd see all the time.
That is a great car and I'd love to own a full-sized Ford convertible - ideally a 1968 Mercury Park Lane Colony Park convertible with woodgrain side panels or a 1970 Mercury Marquis convertible.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/Superfly8track/1968MercuryParkLane.jpg
1968 Mercury Park Lane convertible with Colony Park woodgrain side panels.
Build on the same platform as your Ford XL.




1970 Mercury Marquis convertible.
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Sun May 13, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
1968 Mercury Park Lane convertible with Colony Park woodgrain side panels.
Build on the same platform as your Ford XL.

I suspect you're thinking of a Galaxie XL, not a Fairlane XL.
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Sun May 13, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting TSS (Reply 29):
I suspect you're thinking of a Galaxie XL, not a Fairlane XL.

Yes I'm thinking of the Galaxie XL.
I got the two mixed up. 
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Sun May 13, 2012 6:07 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Yes I'm thinking of the Galaxie XL.
I got the two mixed up.

Quite understandable since in '66 and '67 they did look very similar, especially from the front.

Like Richard Harris and Peter O'Toole, when they're next to each other it's easy to see the differences, but separately it's hard to tell which is which at a glance.
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Sun May 13, 2012 11:53 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
The Bill Blass Mark V sold like hot cakes and many are still on the road. If you buy one, make sure it has the 7.5 liter 460cu" engine and avoid the 1979 model year altogether because the 400cu" was the only engine available that year.

A older lady that lives a couple of blocks from me here in PHX has a 1978 Blass edition Mark V with the faux convertible roof sitting in her carport, but it's in rough condition. The rear quarter panels are rusted (it's originally a mid-west car) and the top is completely shot. If I had the cash to restore it the "right way", I would.

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Mon May 14, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 23):
And can the classic car definition police on here give me the verdict on the E30?

The (not at all unbiased) German classic car press currently hypes the first M3 (which I think was a hideously ugly car). The convertible surely is a classic, and the Touring not bad if in the right colour (a friend of mine had one 20 years ago in gorgeous emerald with brown leather, but forget ordinary combinations like silver with black interior). Forget the limousine, as its too ordinary and boring.

If I´d go for an affordable near-classic of that time it´ll be the Alfa 164 with the fantastic 3l engine. A great car I once had back in the 90s. A great drive, excellent rust-protection and much better styling than the BMWs back then, and still cheap to buy. 100% guarantee that´ll become a classic in all versions.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 10:40 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 29):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 28):
1968 Mercury Park Lane convertible with Colony Park woodgrain side panels.
Build on the same platform as your Ford XL.

I suspect you're thinking of a Galaxie XL, not a Fairlane XL.

By that time, the Galaxie (or more accurately, the Galaxie 500) prefix from the full-size XL was already dropped. When one said XL, it was more than understood that one was implying the full-size model. If one meant the mid-size Fairlane XL; one would've said so.

By 1968, the full-size XL was starting to gravitate towards the dressier LTD model; the '68-'70 XLs featured the LTD's & Country Squire's nose & grille w/concealed headlights.

1968 XL


1969 XL
http://snas.nbcuni.com/content/public/4/a/e/9/9375ed2240d2c3f97cede133876459b2/garage/938dbfde7f000001748c502423728313.jpg

1970 XL (final year)
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Mon May 14, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 17):
Not a big tifoso, but here's a couple of Ferraris I rather like:

I´m a big tifoso if its for food or cars (but not football)! No one is as good in exterior car design as the Italians.
That said, you show two Ferraris of the opposite end of the spectrum.
The upper one, the big 12-cyl., 4seater 400i, is at an all-time low of demand at the moment. You can have a decent one for 25.000 Euros. But beware the maintenance. The yearly inspection will cost you 10.000, at minimum, and only if nothing´s wrong.
The lower one, the 308GTB, is one of the top classics of all time, something as the 911 of Ferrari if ever there was one. Still a bit young to be called a classic, its mid-70s styling is one of the cornerstones of Ferrari´s history. Two years ago my Tifoso garage offered me a low-priced, well-used one from around 1980, for 30.000 Euros. You have to be shorter than 1,80 m to really enjoy it though, and I´m 1,85. One dream less to save money for!

Quoting TSS (Reply 18):
I've always had a soft spot for the Aston Martin Lagonda

I have seen one last year, blue with white interior, absolutely stunning. It won a price in one of the major classic car events of 2011. The car in its first version was notorious for its faulty electronics.
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 12:44 pm

Quoting na (Reply 35):

I like the 400 mostly for its good and unusual look and because most people looking at you will have no clue what you're driving.

I like the 308 because it looks cool and it's Magnum's car...  

Couldn't care less about the price, I'll never own any of them. I'll only own a classic if I can pretty much rebuild it from the ground up and take care of it myself. Owning a Ferrari implies going to the dealership every 5000 miles to get it serviced and walk out minus an arm. Older models might be slightly easier to work on and some parts can be found for cheap (straight from the parts manufacturer, unbranded), but even then, Ferrari has you tied on a leash...
There's a snubness about Ferraris that I can't stand.
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 12:55 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 36):
Owning a Ferrari implies going to the dealership every 5000 miles to get it serviced and walk out minus an arm. Older models might be slightly easier to work on and some parts can be found for cheap (straight from the parts manufacturer, unbranded), but even then, Ferrari has you tied on a leash...

I fully agree, and there´s always the fear the engine might bust. New Ferraris are much more usable but they are outworldly expensive to buy AND to own. The 400I, which I also like because of just the same reason as you do is at least affordable to buy if you just love to own one without driving more than 1000 or 2000 kms a year.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 36):
There's a snubness about Ferraris that I can't stand.

A little bit, maybe, but still most Ferraris are much cooler than any Porsche I have ever seen.
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 1:24 pm

Quoting na (Reply 37):
A little bit, maybe, but still most Ferraris are much cooler than any Porsche I have ever seen.

I don't disagree. I incidentally walked past a 308 yesterday and couldn't help but kind of wish I had one. It's a love-hate I'm happy I'll never have to sort...

And now, for something completely different:

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/classic/large/55citroen_ds19_01.jpg

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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting na (Reply 33):
The (not at all unbiased) German classic car press currently hypes the first M3 (which I think was a hideously ugly car). The convertible surely is a classic, and the Touring not bad if in the right colour (a friend of mine had one 20 years ago in gorgeous emerald with brown leather, but forget ordinary combinations like silver with black interior). Forget the limousine, as its too ordinary and boring.

BMW never built an E30 M3 Touring, they only built 2 door sedans and convertibles. It's not just the German motoring press, the English (Car, EVO, Supercar Classic's........) rave over the E30. That said there is a converted E30 Touring in Sweden with complete M3 specs including custom built blistered rear fenders.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Yi_pz046oY4/TwrEf26bMrI/AAAAAAAAO3Q/TxyXf15JkqM/s1600/e30t1.jpg

Another dead cert for classic status is the Lancia Delta Integrale, prices for tidy examples are currently going through the roof. Prices for the Integrales contemporaries (Toyota Celica GT4, VW Golf Rallye, Nissan Sunny GTiR, Ford Escort Cosworth) aren't anywhere near as strong.

 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 38):
And now, for something completely different:

The DS, fantastique! Best car ever designed in France since the days of Ettore Bugatti. I dont like the Merc you show below it, as I think its the absolute opposite of the DS. For me this Merc, the "Strich 8" was the symbol of boredom, a true square old man´s barge, not nice to look at, and boring to drive. Now if you had chosen its bigger brother, the late 60s S-class with the vertical double headlights, that was a different thing! Simple, cool, understated.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 39):
Another dead cert for classic status is the Lancia Delta Integrale, prices for tidy examples are currently going through the roof.

Incredible prices by now for this exhilarating car which won several Rallye WCs. A good one fetches 40.000 Euros or more, thats ore than it cost when new. Only 5 years ago you could get it for half the money. In the mid-80s I had its less powerful basic version, a Delta 1500, as the very first car I bought by myself.
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 39):
That said there is a converted E30 Touring in Sweden with complete M3 specs including custom built blistered rear fenders.

A tad gaudy, but still...

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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 2:47 pm

Quoting na (Reply 35):
The lower one, the 308GTB, is one of the top classics of all time, something as the 911 of Ferrari if ever there was one.

There never was one. Ferrari has never built anything as great as the 911.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 36):
I like the 308 because it looks cool and it's Magnum's car...

Take one of the Miami Vice Ferraris instead, even though the Daytona was actually a replica. (Same with the Ferrari in Ferris Bueller's Day Off) When the show became popular, Ferrari sued the kit manufacturer and gave the show the white Testarossa instead.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 36):
There's a snubness about Ferraris that I can't stand.

There absolutely is. The "you need us more than we need you" attitude that sent Ferruccio Lamborghini off to build his own cars still exists.

Ferrari is notorious for sending "special" cars to journalists, to the point where one had tires stick to a dyno. They send technicians along with the cars and threaten to blacklist journalists who dare drive a customer car.

http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

And when it comes to sales, Ferrari gives each dealer only a fixed allocation and it is up to them to make the most of it, so Ferrari's regularly sell for well over sticker. A 458 likely cannot be found for under $300,000. I don't mind the laws of supply and demand at all, but that functions to make the car even less attractive than the McLaren MP4-12C, which I've heard the factory will not allow dealers to sell at over sticker.

Quoting na (Reply 37):
New Ferraris are much more usable but they are outworldly expensive to buy AND to own

And they still catch on fire.
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 41):

A tad gaudy, but still...

That E30 is beautifully built, the rear fenders are steel, I saw the car in a petrol station a couple of years ago, it's so well built it could have come out of BMW's factory.
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 38):
And now, for something completely different:

Those Citroens DS are one of the most beautiful cars ever to come out of Europe! They are gorgeous!   
I had the honor of driving one around the block about 10 years ago. Very soft riding vehicle too.
I just didn't like the brakes.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 32):
A older lady that lives a couple of blocks from me here in PHX has a 1978 Blass edition Mark V with the faux convertible roof sitting in her carport, but it's in rough condition. The rear quarter panels are rusted (it's originally a mid-west car) and the top is completely shot. If I had the cash to restore it the "right way", I would.

They're fairly common. I just checked on Ebay Motors and they have a mint condition 1979 model going for a price I have never seen for Lincolns of this era.
It's beautiful and all but it doesn't have the power-glass moonroof, doesn't have the digital 'miles to empty' and it has the compromised government mandated 400cu" engine.
It does however come with a Barbara Streisand 8track.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AMAZI...ash=item1c26dd86ea#ht_40960wt_1026

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
1970 XL (final year)

Was that on a completely different platform than the LTD?
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 34):
1970 XL (final year)

Was that on a completely different platform than the LTD?

Nope, all full-size Fords shared the same platform and had the same wheelbase. I believe that's been the one constant for generations right up to when the last Crown Vic. rolled off the assmebly line last Spetember.

For 1971, the convertible model was passed on from the discontinued XL to the LTD.



The last Galaxie 500 convertible was the 1969 model.

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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 4:31 pm

Nice thread and great pics!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
I liked the Lagonda, especially in it's final Series 4 form.

An underappreciated car sadly, not too many collectors "rushing" to restore and keep them in their glory. If I had the funds I'd have one as well.

Not yet "classics" but already considered Youngtimers, one day I shall have one of these in my driveway:


Porsche 928 GTS


Ferrari 288 GTO

I also have a soft spot for these ones

Citroën XM

Or I could settle for a Jaguar E-Type...a roadster for me, thanks!

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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 42):
There never was one. Ferrari has never built anything as great as the 911.

Ferrari built a lot of cars more desirable than the mass product named 911. The Ferrari GTO is the greatest classic of them all, leaving the rest behind in any concours or voting.
Dont get me wrong, the 911 is a great car, but its hardly a match with a Ferrari when it comes to style and exclusivity. I find cars I can see half a dozen times in the first 5 minutes I leave my house a bit boring, and I live in a neighbourhood where 911s are not much more than bread and butter.
Have you ever driven a "classic" 911 from the 70s? Its not something I´d like to use every day, as its brute, hard as a brick, very noisy and ridiculously priced for what you get.
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 45):
For 1971, the convertible model was passed on from the discontinued XL to the LTD.

I like that 1971-1972 LTD convertible. Luckily those are rather common and aren't too expensive.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 46):
An underappreciated car sadly, not too many collectors "rushing" to restore and keep them in their glory. If I had the funds I'd have one as well.

Same here.
Bring back the Concorde
 
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RE: The Classic Cars Thread

Mon May 14, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 23):
And can the classic car definition police on here give me the verdict on the E30?
Because I'm getting one of them and restoring it one day...
...

If you want an E30 M3 you better buy one now, they are getting more expensive as time goes by. The good thing about the E30 is that BMW made a lot of them, parts are easy to come by, there are a lot of specialists and the BMW forums are bursting with knowledge.

Quoting na (Reply 47):
Ferrari built a lot of cars more desirable than the mass product named 911.

Ferrari might have built more desirable cars than the 911 but they have never been able to build cars as well as Porsche does. Ferrari quality still isn't much chop especially considering the prices you have to pay. A entry level Boxster is better built than a 599.

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