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F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Fri May 11, 2012 8:13 am

Welcome to the first European F1 Grand Prix of the 2012 season!

Spanish Grand Prix May 11-13
Circuit de Catalunya 4655 kms 66 laps

May 11: Free practice 1
now going
May 11: Free practice 2
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST
May 12: Free practice 3
11:00 local | 09:00 GMT | 11:00 CEST
May 12: Qualifying
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST
May 13: Race
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST

Driver changes for this first session of the weekend: Valtteri Bottas in for Bruno Senna at Williams, Jules Bianchi takes over Paul di Resta's car at Force India and we have two debuts in the form of Alexander Rossi for Caterham (replacing Heikki Kovalainen) and Dani Clos giving HRT an all-Spanish line-up as he drivers Narain Karthikeyan's car

Also the Chelsea football club is now in as a sponsor for the Sauber team. Football going to F1 that's quite a novelty.

Let racing begin! Go Circuit de Catalunya! Good luck to all!

  
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Fri May 11, 2012 9:37 am

Spanish Grand Prix
Free practice 1 results

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'24.430
2 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'24.808
3 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'24.912
4 Button GBR McLaren 1'24.996
5 Bottas FIN Williams 1'25.120
6 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'25.187
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'25.217
8 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'25.252
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'25.285
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'25.339
11 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'25.367
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'25.433
13 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'25.539
14 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'25.607
15 Perez MEX Sauber 1'25.918
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'26.226
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'26.297
18 Bianchi FRA Force India 1'26.630
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'27.475
20 Glock GER Marussia 1'28.267
21 Rossi USA Caterham 1'28.448
22 Pic FRA Marussia 1'28.633
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'29.107
24 Clos ESP HRT 1'31.618

        
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Fri May 11, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Also the Chelsea football club is now in as a sponsor for the Sauber team. Football going to F1 that's quite a novelty.

Obviously they have too much money. Surprising given they seem to change their coach at least once a season and probably have to make huge payouts. Not to mention the money they pay to their players who fail to produce *Cough*Fernando Torres*Cough*. Oh to have more oil dollars than sense.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Fri May 11, 2012 2:33 pm

Free practice 2 results

Driver Teams Time
1 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'23.399
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'23.563
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'23.771
4 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'23.909
5 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'23.918
6 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'23.964
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'24.065
8 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'24.080
9 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'24.214
10 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'24.365
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.418
12 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'24.422
13 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'24.468
14 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'24.600
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'24.688
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'24.733
17 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'24.769
18 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'25.047
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'26.296
20 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'26.740
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'27.314
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'27.664
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'28.235
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT -

        
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Fri May 11, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Spanish Grand Prix
Free practice 1 results

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'24.430
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'25.433
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Free practice 2 results

Driver Teams Time

11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.418
14 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'24.600

So Basically on FP1 Alonso used his new updated car, Massa was his same un-bothered self. And on FP2 Alonso used the old car and Massa made a slightly better effort.

:D

I was on the train down from Girona into Barcelona and saw the helicopter hovering over the circuit.

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 11:11 am

Waiting for qualityings. Let's see how it goes this afternoon.

Free practice 3 results

Driver Teams Time

1 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'23.168
2 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'23.336
3 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'23.350
4 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'23.578
5 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'23.742
6 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'23.807
7 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'23.833
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'23.909
9 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'23.936
10 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'24.070
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.179
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'24.323
13 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'24.331
14 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'24.409
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'24.599
16 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'24.778
17 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'24.825
18 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'25.911
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'26.587
20 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'27.469
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'27.689
22 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'28.207
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'28.373
24 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus -


  
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 12:27 pm

Spanish Grand Prix Qualifyings

Qualifying 1

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 8 in pits
2 Grosjean FRA Lotus 8 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 6 in pits
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 8 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 5 in pits
6 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 8 in pits
7 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
8 Button GBR McLaren 7 in pits
9 Webber AUS Red Bull 5 in pits
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 7 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes 8 in pits
12 Vettel GER Red Bull 4 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 8 in pits
14 Massa BRA Ferrari 6 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits
16 Perez MEX Sauber 5 in pits
17 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits

18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits


Qualifying 2

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Maldonado VEN Williams 11 in pits
2 Hamilton GBR McLaren 11 in pits
3 Grosjean FRA Lotus 11 in pits
4 Perez MEX Sauber 11 in pits
5 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 10 in pits
6 Alonso ESP Ferrari 12 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 14 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 10 in pits
9 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 14 in pits
10 Schumacher GER Mercedes 14 in pits

11 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
12 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 11 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 11 in pits
17 Massa BRA Ferrari 12 in pits
18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits

Amazing how Maldonado came into first place!
Webber and Button did not make it to Q3
Kamui's car has a hydraulic leak.


Qualifying 3/The Grid

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 17 on track
2 Maldonado VEN Williams 14 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 15 in pits
4 Grosjean FRA Lotus 14 in pits
5 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 13 in pits
6 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 17 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 14 in pits
9 Schumacher GER Mercedes 15 in pits
10 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 14 in pits
11 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
12 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 11 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 11 in pits
17 Massa BRA Ferrari 12 in pits
18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits


What a surprise by Maldonado... Hammy came and took him for pole at the very last!
How long will Maldonado will keep the second place? We will find out tomorrow. Alonso did great too.
Great qualfying for the Sauber boys.Checo and Kamui!

Tomorrow will be quite an interesting race. I hope Schumi can gain a lot of places. Would love to see a Schumi podium and a Sauber podium too. Fantastic to see so many great drivers in the 2012 F1 season competition!



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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:03 pm

Second for Maldonado! Brilliant! I'm one very happy Williams fan right now  
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
How long will Maldonado will keep the second place? We will find out tomorrow. Alonso did great too.

He will probably lose it in the first lap! Alsonso/Ferrari always do great starts.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:20 pm

Maldanado should be 1st!!

There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

The team told him to stop, obviously a fuel qty or weight issue, if there is no hard evidence of a mech failure they should be DQ straight away.**

**full disclosure.. I am a McLaren fan of some decades standing.

LH at interview .."no idea what was wrong just told to stop"... what a crock... if theyhad telemetry taht indicated a fault he would know before the Press conference.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:26 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

Then the same rule should be applied after a finished race, and Vettel/Rosberg should be DQ from the last race as they stopped on the track after taking the chequered flag, unless it was something technical.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:32 pm

Great result for Maldonado and Grosjean. Tomorrow will be interesting.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Then the same rule should be applied after a finished race, and Vettel/Rosberg should be DQ from the last race as they stopped on the track after taking the chequered flag, unless it was something technical

No argument here , that pull over.. no don't... yes stop now this is an emergency stuff was quite bizarre and more than a little cynical!
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
No argument here , that pull over.. no don't... yes stop now this is an emergency stuff was quite bizarre and more than a little cynical!

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Sat May 12, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
I do not follow you...

Those were the bizarre messages being given to Vettel at the end of the Bahrain race
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 14):

Those were the bizarre messages being given to Vettel at the end of the Bahrain race

I never heard that message, but I see what you mean.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 3:01 pm

"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!
One can wonder for how long Ferrari will (want to) continue losing valuable constructors points due Massa.
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.

Unfortunately that's what contracts do...

Karthikeyan is allowed to race by the way. Just seen it on twitter.

Hamilton has been penalised too. Not sure how but I can bet it's a grid drop.

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

Let´s see how that develops, what would the penalty be?

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!
One can wonder for how long Ferrari will (want to) continue losing valuable constructors points due Massa.
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.

I know, he is just not cutting it. Ferrari should kick his sorry arse out and bring in a replacement pronto, Jaime Alguersuari does not have a seat and it´s just doing testing for Michelin and collaborate with the BBC, I bet he can do MUCH MUCH better on the Ferrari than Massa.

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 17):
Unfortunately that's what contracts do...

A contract in F1 is not worth anything these days and can be terminated, so that's not the reason why they keep him.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 4:15 pm

Great driving from Maldonado. It's good to see Williams back on the front grid! Let's hope for a good result tomorrow.

Hamilton half a second faster than anybody, this is quite amazing.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

I found this in the Parc fermé rules:

Quote:
34.3Within three and a half hours of the end of the qualifying practice session all cars used during the session (or which were intended for use but failed to leave the pit lane) must be covered and ready for FIA seals to be applied in order to ensure that they remain secure until the following day.

Does that mean that all cars have 3.5 hours of buffer time after the end of qualifying to go in the Parc fermé? If yes, then McLaren are not breaking any rule.


Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!

To his defence, Button is only 11th and Webber 12th. But I see what you mean. As I said 3 weeks ago, Massa is declining big time. One wonder how long Ferrari will continue with a millstone like he is now. Who's Ferrari's third driver?
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 4:21 pm

Just saw this on ESPN F1 twitter:

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If Hamilton stopped because he did not have enough fuel left for a sample in parc ferme then that could face a punishment.
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1 litre of fuel is needed for a sample and the team extracted 1.3 litres from Hamilton’s car after it had stopped.
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McLaren argue that he stopped for a technical reason which, if they can prove, will mean no penalty because it is a case of force majeure.
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If they can’t prove force majeure there could be a grid penalty, but they would not say what the technical problem was.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 19):
A contract in F1 is not worth anything these days and can be terminated, so that's not the reason why they keep him.

Maybe they don't want to pay him off?

Who knows but I will bet my bottom dollar he's not at Ferrari next year.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 5:47 pm

Breaking news from ESPN F1 twitter:

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Hamilton will start from the back of the grid after the stewards found that he did not have sufficient fuel to make it back to the pits.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 5:53 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 22):
Maybe they don't want to pay him off?

Ferrari can bail him out, no problem. Not like they need to pay him the same amount that Räikkonen got when ending his contract.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
To his defence, Button is only 11th and Webber 12th

They are, but they are not consistently back there like Massa is.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 23):
Breaking news from ESPN F1 twitter:

Good! This was too obvious if you ask me.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 24):
They are, but they are not consistently back there like Massa is.

I know i know. I was being a bit sarcastic 
Quoting sudden (Reply 25):
Good!

It also gives the first pole to Maldonado! And the first pole for Williams since... ?
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 5:58 pm

Yup just got the news...

BREAKING NEWS: Lewis Hamilton has been given a penalty and will start last. Pastor Maldonado takes his first career pole.

This is another out of luck year for Hammy... If he can catch all the drivers and go back to the front places by the end I'll say Kudos to him... but how many chances for that to happen?

    
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Sat May 12, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
I know i know. I was being a bit sarcastic

I never forgive you.  

Maldonado will have his hands full tomorrow cause Alonso is one of the best, if not the best, starter on the grid.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
This is another out of luck year for Hammy

They screwed up, simple as that. Can not see where the unluck comes from when you fail to comply with the rules, and try to get away with it.

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 6:14 pm

That makes it the first pole position for Pastor Maldonado. Venezuela will be glued to the television tomorrow. Hugo Chavez will be happy.

The rumor here in Monaco is that Hammy got himself a new toy. I did some research on the internet with the new toy's name and this is what I found... so it must be true...

2013 Pagani Zonda 760 LH

Hamilton’s car is said to be based upon the 760 RS which was recently commissioned and built for a very special Chilean owner. The 760 RS is the most powerful production car Pagani has built to date, even surpassing the Huayra by about 60BHP, pumping out an incredible 760 horsepower. The car ordered by Hamilton differs in one major way to the RS, as it will be built with a traditional manual transmission, leading the McLaren driver to state, “my company car has a paddle-change gearbox, so when I drive for fun, I want a manual.”

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/pagani/...-pagani-zonda-760-lh-ar128378.html

    
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 6:34 pm

Well done to Pastor Maldonado, it looks as if he isn't just there because of the money.

Things don't seem to go so well for Hamilton sometimes but hopefully he will be able to show lots of overtaking tomorrow and he may start from the pits so he can start on the harder tyre?

Will Kimui Kobayashi also be moved to the back as he got out of his car as well?

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 30):
Will Kimui Kobayashi also be moved to the back as he got out of his car as well?

Possibly... although we would have probably heard about it by now if he was penalized.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 30):
Will Kimui Kobayashi also be moved to the back as he got out of his car as well?

Of course not, he's not Lewis Hamilton.

The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke, if any other driver had done this it would have been a 5 place drop or it would have been ignored.

Vettel and Rosberg should have thier points stripped for stopping after the last race.

Ferrari International Assistance strikes again, Alonso "promoted" to front row at his home race, what a surprise.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 7:35 pm

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Vettel and Rosberg should have thier points stripped for stopping after the last race.

That is what I wrote earlier. The same rule should be applied in that case too. But as we all know, FIA is really inconsistent in their judgement, so I expect nothing like that to happen.

Also, why put him at the very end of the start grid? He made it through Q1 and Q2, so FIA should at most have his Q3 results excluded, not the whole qualifying results.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again, Alonso "promoted" to front row at his home race, what a surprise.

Dont bring up that old crap again. It does not have anything with Ferrari to do, it is just typical FIA knee-jerk reaction.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Of course not, he's not Lewis Hamilton.

The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke, if any other driver had done this it would have been a 5 place drop or it would have been ignored.

Another die hard Hamilton fan I guess that is so blinded by his idol that he doesn't even see the obvious.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again, Alonso "promoted" to front row at his home race, what a surprise.

Get over yourself or get some medication for whatever is wrong with you.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke

  

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again

  

If there is one driver to which the so called ¨Ferrari International Assistance¨ has been very lenient, its Lewis Hamilton, so your argument is invalid.

I do agree that they need to standardize their penalties.

Anyways, we know Hamilton is a good driver and he will make up for that in the race (unless he crashes with Massa    )

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 9:24 pm

Hamilton should have just beached it in the gravel, then there wouldn't have even been an investigation.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 36):

Or parked up next to Kamui Kobayashi as apparently it was fine there.

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sat May 12, 2012 11:47 pm

Pretty clear cut from the FIA statement...

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The Stewards heard from the team representative Mr Sam Michael who stated that the car stopped on the circuit for reasons of force majeure. A team member had put an insufficient quantity of fuel into the car thereby resulting in the car having to be stopped on the circuit in order to be able to provide the required amount for sampling purposes.
As the amount of fuel put into the car is under the complete control of the Competitor the Stewards cannot accept this as a case of force majeure.

Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the situation tried by Red Bull at Bahrain...

.. would it be inflammatory to mention one of the stewards is 25yo Spaniard??
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 12:14 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the situation tried by Red Bull at Bahrain...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression the same rules didn't apply (to everyone else) after the race? Had it been anyone else they probably would have been given a reprimand. And as this was McLarens second offence, infact they were the ones who prompted the tightening of rules, a harsher penalty was deemed appropriate. But given that for a large part of Q3 it was looking like no one was going out, McLaren should have been given a lighter penalty in my opinion.

Still seems there are people within the FIA that have a vendetta against McLaren.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 39):
a harsher penalty was deemed appropriate.

I also feel that claiming force majeure was a mistake they should have just said.. "oh crap. we screwed up, sorry"

Might not have avoided punishment but would be more honest!

Further research with regard to Vettel at Bahrain, the stop was a cynical attempt to manipulate the fuel/weight tests, as demonstrated by SV's answeres at the press conference, but there is no requirement to return to the parc ferme under own power as in qual.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 3:58 am

I was mightily surprised when they dropped him to the back of the grid. I could understand them stripping him of his Q3 time, but to exclude him from qualifying completely seems very harsh and I have a huge amount of sympathy for Hamilton for the damned if he did, damned if he didn't position his team placed him in.

But to be fair, McLaren have become adept at cocking up the simple things like pit stops, removing blanks from intakes, putting enough fuel in for qualifying..........
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the situation tried by Red Bull at Bahrain...

Very harsh for what was a clear mistake as opposed to a dileberate attempt to cheat.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
.. would it be inflammatory to mention one of the stewards is 25yo Spaniard??

No. He's made a lot of people very happy.   

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 41):
I was mightily surprised when they dropped him to the back of the grid. I could understand them stripping him of his Q3 time, but to exclude him from qualifying completely seems very harsh

Indeed, other 'crimes' would have just involved the loss of the fastest time. It's beyond harsh, vindictive would seem to be more appropriate. But hey, he's in Spain.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 41):
I have a huge amount of sympathy for Hamilton for the damned if he did, damned if he didn't position his team placed him in.

Hamilton clearly did nothing wrong himself, not that that will stop his detractors from enjoying his situation.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 6:40 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 40):
There should be though!!

I agree. Unless the things on fire of course.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Very harsh for what was a clear mistake as opposed to a dileberate attempt to cheat.

Or both had their settings turned up just that bit too long and burnt more fuel than expected?
 
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 8:20 am

Edit, not reading properly!

Fred

[Edited 2012-05-13 01:21:03]
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 8:41 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Hamilton clearly did nothing wrong himself, not that that will stop his detractors from enjoying his situation.

I was a bit shocked (to say the least) when I heard he was retrograded to the last place on the grid.
I would love to see him making up all the places and winning the race despite this much too unfair punishment.

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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 10:18 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
And the first pole for Williams since... ?

Brazil 2010. Hulkenberg scored pole in a rain affected qualifying session.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Vettel and Rosberg should have thier points stripped for stopping after the last race.

There's no requirement for cars to return to Parc Ferme under its own power after the race. Also, Vettel retired from the last race due to a technical issue. If there wasn't a legitimate reason for his retirement, he probably would have been penalised.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 46):
Vettel retired from the last race due to a technical issue.

And that technical reason was???
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
.. would it be inflammatory to mention one of the stewards is 25yo Spaniard??

No. He's made a lot of people very happy.

Oh there is no he..

Not saying being a young and pretty brunnette influences her decision making, but a 25 yo F1 steward is a new concept to me and in her home country as well.
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RE: F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix

Sun May 13, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 48):

 Wow!

So, by my reckoning, three of the four race stewards have zero racing experience between them?   
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