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F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 11:51 am

With less than 1 week until FP1 in Monaco it is perhaps time to start the official 2012 Monaco Grand Prix thread-

First some important housekeeping-

Many will have noticed the Spanish GP thread was locked and discussion about one of the more interesting Grand Prix in recent times was prematurely halted.

By any measure the thread had become badly derailed and was seriously off topic.

I have had correspondence with the Moderators about this, initially to try and get the overly political posts deleted and the thread reinstated.
That this did not happen is of little consequence due to the topical nature of such threads.

The moderators have agreed to me starting the Monaco thread along with a warning on content.

Our sport is by it’s very nature often a political beast, it always has been, certainly at times, a very nationalistic one as illustrated by the national racing colours of the pre commercial era.
That the sport becomes politicised is a given and happened most memorably during the middle thirties.
This situation is not going to change and we will see races held(or not) and drivers supported for lots of reasons that may not appeal to the purist in many of us.

Statements like driver x is supported by the government or team Y is partly owned by a state company of country Z are acceptable. Discussions about the politics, regimes or acts of those governments are not .
Nor will discussions about the politics of any governments whether they be about Chavez, Pol Pot or Obama and Cameron be allowed, there are threads that cover those topics. If you feel such discussion is lacking feel free to start a thread about it.

If a govt decision directly impacts the racing i.e "Monegasque leadership cancels the Grand Prix in favour of table tennis tournament", then that is relevant can form part of the discussion.

The above is a long winded way of saying, we are all grown ups here and know how to act, we know where the line is, it is up to us not to cross it.

Now to the racing-

Tyres remain controversial with some drivers and teams openly criticising them, one team owner criticising them while lauding the interesting racing we have experienced.

5 winners from 5 races, will Monaco make it 6 for 6?

Cheers

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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Tyres remain controversial with some drivers and teams openly criticising them, one team owner criticising them while lauding the interesting racing we have experienced.

The tyres are what they are - an integral third party mandatory system - so drivers should just shut up and get on with it.

It is interesting how some drivers seem to be getting the job done, while others just resort to complaining about the tyres.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 12:31 pm

Monaco! my favorite race of the year.

The thing i like about this track, is understanding just how narrow the streets are. Over the next few days - I will post some pictures to give you an idea of what the streets look like on a normal day.

It's pretty shocking when you think they're driving around at 200kph around theses streets.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 2:31 pm

I was going to start a thread as this is my local race but I see it's already been done so thank you for opening the thread.

We have had a lot of rain and storms lately - some violent hail and thunder storms even with ferocious winds. I would not be surprised if we had rain on race day Sunday next week. I am planning on it as the weather's been quite hectic and much cooler than usual this time of the year.

I went around some parts of the track yesterday afternoon as the weather was windy and cool yet decent.

Some of yesterday's pictures:

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/f1%20monaco%202012/e07a2829.jpg

  


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I am looking forward to seeing the big trucks bringing the motorhomes and all the heavy equipment. The same with the gigantic Red Bull barge which is being towed by tugs all the way from Italy and then setting up the motorhomes and al the action in and around the garages and motorhomes.

This is Monaco's most exciting week of the year along with the Monaco International Yacht Show.

Let the party begin!

                 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
5 winners from 5 races, will Monaco make it 6 for 6?

Probably, I can't look past Hamilton, in a weekend without team errors. They will be under pressure, but I can't think of an error they haven't made yet so maybe they've learned.

We could also have a winner from a 6th team, I don't rule out Kimi either. And Maldonado will be strong here as well I expect. It's going to be interesting again.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 8:08 pm

I just went out and bought a lottery ticket. I think my odds of winning the lottery are better than predicting the winner of the Monaco GP.  

It's one of those races where anything can happen but just for the sake of being totally off the wall for this season, let's hope Kimi and Lotus win it. Just to see a 6 winners, 6 teams to start this season. That should keep the world championship completely up in the air.

Besides, for those of us in Canada or the USA, it's the kickoff for a great day of racing. For me, it's 8 am for the Monaco F1 Gp, followed at 12 noon by the Indy 500, then followed by the NASCAR Coca-Cola 600 that evening. For any race fan, it's an overdose weekend.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 18, 2012 8:32 pm

I want a podium with Schumi on top and two Saubers on the sides. That would make a 6th different winner in 6 races.

              
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 20, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Some of yesterday's pictures:

Great pics Madame C, looking forward to a walk around those streets.. near or on a GP weekend so much the better!

Some other news,

Quoting Planet F1:
Despite rumours that he could be axed this season, Ferrari insist they could yet retain Felipe Massa for next year's Championship.

Most of us are familiar with drivers(or their managements) talking up their prospective drives most often with the intent of driving up their value, could this be Ferrari doing the reverse and trying to drive down the price of 2013 driver prospects?

Also seen reports that serial cheat and all round bad guy, Flavio Briatore is trying to set up a "GP 1" series allegedly with the support or at least interest of the folks from Maranello, do these guys not know when it is time to stop beating a dead horse?

Noted that Williams test driver Susie Wolff who earned her place in the team based on her undoubted talents/connections( you pick) has been relegated to the rear of the grid at the Brands Hatch DTM race for breaking yellow flag rules during the warm up, This may not be the devasting blow it could have been, she will now start from grid 22 rather than position 21 she qualified at.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 20, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 7):
Great pics Madame C, looking forward to a walk around those streets.. near or on a GP weekend so much the better!

I am out of town this weekend but I will be going there again in the next few days for more pix especially the teams trucks which I am a big fan of.

The weather in and around Monaco is really lousy and it is supposed to stay this way all during the coming week. I will not be surprised it it rains during the whole GP weekend (Friday is GP day off in Monaco).

              
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 20, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 5):
Besides, for those of us in Canada or the USA, it's the kickoff for a great day of racing. For me, it's 8 am for the Monaco F1 Gp, followed at 12 noon by the Indy 500, then followed by the NASCAR Coca-Cola 600 that evening. For any race fan, it's an overdose weekend.

It is an amazing day for car racing. The F1 at Monaco is truly one of the greatest races in the world, extremely dangerous, challenging, using the same route for generations, in a spectacular setting truly fitting for F1. I remember seeing it on TV here in the States on either tape delay the same day or the following weekend back in the 1960's and causing me to fall in love with that form of racing. The Indy 500 is usually an exciting race. Last year the leading car lost control on the last turn before the finish, the 2nd place car then won, driven by a driver who would lose his life in horrible crash in the last race of the IndyCar season. The NASCAR race is at night, under the lights and is the longest race in NASCAR at 600 miles (~1000 kms) a marathon of driver and car endurance on a fast and demanding track although it can get a bit boring for long stretches.

WIth the way things have been going, we may very sell a 6 & 6 driver & carmaker winner this race. As to the tires, so long as they don't have another Indy F1GP debacle, make it work and stop complaining. I do hope for dry, clear weather for the race for the safety and comfort of all involved and watching ti.

WIth the fire that happened in the garages at the Spanish GP race, has their been any new or special safety changes put into place for the race at Monaco?
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 20, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):

Wish I could of seen a bit more of the track when I was there last week. The Historic GP was on so the best view of the front straight consisted of:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x35/jwhite9185/cfed6821.jpg

I guess its a good enough excuse to come back another time though!

I couldn't believe how strict they are in keeping people from viewing things. I put a few more pics up in the trip report section - even all the way up the hill they had carries blocking the view. You could certainly hear it from all over though!!

Back on subject though, i'd like to see Raikkonen win, just to make it 6 drivers/teams winning from the first 6 races. Although I've got a feeling Hamilton will get his season going this weekend.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 21, 2012 9:25 am

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
I couldn't believe how strict they are in keeping people from viewing things.

It's called greed. The ACM (Automobile Club de Monaco) does eveything to try and get every penny everywhere they can. They get a percentage off everything in Monaco during GP time, stores, rental terraces and apartments, even passes for those who live nearby the racing track are controlled.

They want to know how many people the residents will have over during race time and they will do random checks on people's places with the views to see if they have more people in than the number of acess passes distributed. There will be hefty fines for those who outnumber in their places if they get controlled.

They have blocked every possible public view available even more this year than ever before. For those not into F1 this is definitely not a time to visit Monaco. Every train ticket will be checked at the Monaco station, more for cheaters than security purposes but there is that too. Everything is really tight.

A great most of the grandstand seats are already sold out for Sunday. Considering the cost of tickets can you imagine how much profit the ACM will be making? Of course the organistation and set up is very costly. Workers day and night for a whole month putting everything up and undoing it. The teams are also paying a lot of money, so is the FIA and also the Media to get the rights of coverage for the event.

The GP events will be kicking in this Tuesday night with the yearly charity football game at the Louis II stadium. 18 out of 21 registered pilots have agreed to participate.

http://www.agencemonacopresse.com/mo...e-son-19%C3%A8me-anniversaire.html

« Star Team MC » will play the « Formula 1 Drivers Team ».

The teams

STAR TEAM MC:
SAS le PRINCE ALBERT II, SAR PRINCE EMANUELE FILIBERTO DI SAVOIA, PIERRE CASIRAGHI, LOUIS DOCRUET, FREDDY NOCK, FRANK FREDERICKS, J.L. ETTORI, P.N. ETTORI, EZIO GIANOLA, MARC GIRARDELLI, JURE KOSIR, JOSE COBOS, SIMONE ORIGONE, MARTIN DJETOU, LORIS CAPIROSSI, RICCARDO PATRESE, CLAUDIO CHIAPPUCCI, GREG CAMPI, PETER RUNGGALDIER, PATRICE SERVELLE, DOMINIK GRANAK, SABRI LAMOUCHI, MARCO SIMONE, GIULIANO RAZZOLI, ANTOINE ETTORI, ALEX CAFFI, PAVEL NEDVED, CLAUDE PUEL, SONNY ANDERSON

F1 TEAM:
MICHAEL SCHUMACHER, KEVIN KORIUS, FELIPE MASSA, GIANCARLO FISICHELLA, JARNO TRULLI, NIKO ROSBERG, VITO ANTONIO LIUZZI, SEBASTIAN VETTEL, ROMAIN GROSJEAN, SERGIO PEREZ, FERNANDO ALONSO, ROMAIN GROSJEAN, DANIEL RICCIARDO, BRUNO SENNA, TIMO GLOCK, TOM KRISTENSEN, PASTOR MALDONADO, CHARLES PIC, EMANUELE PIRRO, VITALI PETROV, NIKO ULKENBERG, EMANUELE PIRRO, JEROME D’AMBROSIO

This is the cheapest GP event of all. Ticket prices are made accessible to all - 10 and 5 Euros.

  

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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Thu May 24, 2012 7:50 am

Let the Monaco F1 Grand Prix and the fun begin!!!!

I have a busy weekend ahead starting this afternoon. Won't be on the thread much at all until all over.

I have lots of good pictures already. Will post the best later. Must go chasing for more all weekend.

     
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Thu May 24, 2012 9:37 am

Free practice 1 times

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 22 in pits
2 Grosjean FRA Lotus 17 in pits
3 Perez MEX Sauber 19 in pits
4 Hamilton GBR McLaren 12 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 20 in pits
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 19 in pits
7 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 21 in pits
8 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
9 Vettel GER Red Bull 14 in pits
10 Rosberg GER Mercedes 18 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes 14 in pits
12 Hülkenberg GER Force India 18 in pits
13 Webber AUS Red Bull 14 in pits
14 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 25 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 28 in pits
16 di Resta GBR Force India 16 in pits
17 Senna BRA Williams 20 in pits
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 20 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 16 in pits
20 Karthikeyan IND HRT 26 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 18 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 9 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 15 in pits
24 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1 in pits


11:26
Confirmed: The session will NOT restart. That's the end of the running

11:24
Marshals are jacking up Kovalainen's car but still need to wheel it off the track (or to a crane) before we can get going again. Progress is slow even though the car is now moving, and we may not have any more running

11:23
It's a big blow-up, the engine went in the tunnel and filled it with smoke so nobody will have been able to see. By the time Kovalainen got out of the tunnel the rear tyres locked and stopped him where he was.

11:20
Kovalainen has parked his Caterham on the exit of the tunnel and there's lots of smoke around - he confirms on the radio "engine is gone" - and visibility is very poor due to the smoke. He's quite lucky that it didn't cause a big accident.

  

Will be watching FP2 from a terrace with a direct view on Boulevard d'Ostende this afternoon. The sun is blaring hot. I got my face all sunburned yesterday while I was chasing for pictures. Will have to be more careful today. Thunderstorms and rain are expected tomorrow until Sunday.

Here's the local newspaper - Monaco Matin (French only)
http://www.monacomatin.mc/derniere-m...rix-pendant-cinq-jours.879767.html



        
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Thu May 24, 2012 9:46 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I want a podium with Schumi

Very doubtful that will happen as Schumi's main focus this season is to blaim the tyres for his poor performance.
Maybe he should simply accept that he's just a shadow of his former him, and hand his seat over to someone who is hungry instead.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Thu May 24, 2012 10:17 am

According to an interview Alonso seems optimistic, he sees a real chance to win the race and the WC if his team supports him with constant and effective upgrades as it did recently.
So far this season is the best since a long time, with about 10 drivers able to win a GP.

Forza Ferrari! My wish is Alonso wins ahead of Schumacher!
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Thu May 24, 2012 11:24 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 14):
Very doubtful that will happen as Schumi's main focus this season is to blaim the tyres for his poor performance. Maybe he should simply accept that he's just a shadow of his former him, and hand his seat over to someone who is hungry instead.

Do you actually watch F1 to see your favorite driver do well, or do you just watch to see your least favorite drivers lose?
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Thu May 24, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 16):
Do you actually watch F1 to see your favorite driver do well, or do you just watch to see your least favorite drivers lose?

In the perfect race, both would happen.   
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 25, 2012 7:02 am

A place with a view. Family went away during GP time and I got the keys. Madame Concorde is having a fun weekend in a place with a view... and what a view! Got access pass to the building - can go all around the track any time unrestricted... plus the place with a garden and the view!!! Best I have had so far!!! A house swap weekend!!!!


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OK got to go... back to work!!! more pictures after the weekend. Will do a separate pictures thread. You all enjoy the Monaco GP!!!!

     
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Fri May 25, 2012 7:21 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
A place with a view

Thanks vary much for the pics!
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sat May 26, 2012 1:33 pm

Great job by Schumi! It must feel great for him, though it is a pity that he wont be able to start from 1st.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sat May 26, 2012 1:51 pm

Great show from Schumi. There´s still fire in the no.1 driver of all time. Sad only its Webber on pole tomorrow. But that Vettel is way back on the grid is certainly good for the championship. Im sure he´s playing tactics and probably on a one-stop strategy tomorrow. Maldonado, Button and Raikönnen weren´t really at their best today.
I´m slightly disappointed with Alonso´s time in Q3. That Ferrari finally kicked the "sleeping" Massa has had its miraculous effect, seventh place is by far the best performance this season.
Unaware of the tactics its hard to make any predictions for tomorrow. From the top 5 in this practise I would put my money on Hamilton and Alonso. The Mercedes with their very soft tyres wont likely be in front for too long, and Alonso will almost certainly improve on 5th place in the race as is his usual custom, that are the only things I can say with some justification at the moment.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sat May 26, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 25):
Great job by Schumi! It must feel great for him, though it is a pity that he wont be able to start from 1st.

I was really happy too!

What you all did not see is the monster storm that hit the whole area with lightning, thunder and tons of rain for hours on. The whole area is rained out for miles - I am sure some places must be flooded and there is more rain (don't know how heavy) forecasted for tomorrow.

It might just change everything as today during F1 the weather was hot and totally dry and it all turned into this monster storm in the evening. Tomorrow will tell. I am sure Schumi can pick up the places. It is one thing that they pushed him back 5 places but they should have done the same to Senna and Maldonado is pushed back 10 places. Makes a lot of push back.

Got some really nice pictures today. I got to a bit of time with Kimi after he had an interview on a boat with a really nice Finnish lady reporter. Friend Richard Branson isn't here this year. No Necker Belle catamaran. He is probably busy with other things. VJ Mallya is here with his gigantic Indian Empress Yacht. His mega party was on Thursday night but I did not go by tonight I had to fight the storm and go home.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

       
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 10:07 am

Here is hoping for a great race, free of incidents.

MadameC: Thanks for your updates.  Smile

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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 10:32 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
Friend Richard Branson isn't here this year. No Necker Belle catamaran. He is probably busy with other things

He's in YVR for VS' inaugural flight there.

Must of walked past the building you're in when I was there the other week... is it above the entrance to the train station?
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 11:16 am

Webber is on pole!! I would be absolutely thrilled if he can bring it home. Sky seems to be making a big fuss about the RedBull car though. Not sure if I should be worried or not.

Shame Riccardo is starting way back, hopefully he can at least maintain his position and get into the points.

Missing your usual updates on positions and times MadameC, hope you're having a glorious time there. The weather looks fantastic from my dodgy most likely illegal stream.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 11:57 am

What a wild crash in the GP3 race yesterday ! Fortunately the diver was able to walk away upon landing.
GP2 this morning had a major crash on the 1st lap taking out a number of cars.
Now on to THE race.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 1:58 pm

GOOD JOB TO THE WINNER, MARK WEBBER!

Here is to hoping Ryan Briscoe & Will Power can continue the AU winning streak today in racing at the Indy 500.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 2:00 pm

"Not bad for a number 2"

Well done Mark!!

Missed the first 20 laps .. have to go back and watch it now.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 2:03 pm

WEBBER WON!!

Phenomenal race, 6 winners from 6 races. Closest ever finish at the top in Monaco.

Rosberg too put in an excellent performance, never more than about 3 seconds behind which all came down to Webber being on pole and the good start. RedBull did a good job getting Vettel up into 4th from 9th so will push ahead in the contructors championship. Webber and Vettel tied now. Lets hope this continues to be an incredible season.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 29):
WEBBER WON!!

Phenomenal race, 6 winners from 6 races. Closest ever finish at the top in Monaco.


It was a very entertaining race to watch, amazing performance when you consider just how close the cars are to the barriers at every point of the track.

I still have the feeling that the title will go to the most consistent driver/team this year, which is why drives such as Vettel's recovery from 9th on the grid to 4th might provide the difference in winning or losing the title by a handful of points at the end of the campaign.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 2:19 pm

Great race. Who would have expected Alonso to be the sole leader of the Championship after 6 races this year. The consistent finishes might be the way to the Championship this year as nobody seems able to dominate. Too bad Schumacher had the penalty then mechanical issues. Could MS become the 7th winner in the 7th race, to get his 8th Canadian GP victory?
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 28):
Not bad for a number 2"

Both Webber and Vettel have 73 points each...
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 4:22 pm

While not F1, did anyone see the horrific GP3 crash the other day? Lots being made of it here in the US, as it was an American driver. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybh61PkSVOk

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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 31):
Great race.

were you people watching the same race I was watching, yet again Monaco has given us a dull procession from start to finish, when are Bernie and the FIA going to come to grips with the fact that Monaco is not suitable for modern F1 cars, they are too fast for this track and have been for well over a decade. I'd remove it from the F1 calendar and stage a round of the FIA World Touring Car Championships instead, Monaco would be a great fit for touring cars.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 33):

It's a spectacular crash, no doubt about it, but not horrific. The car stayed together, the cockpit remained intact and the driver walked away. The car worked as it should.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 6:43 pm

Monaco F1 Grand Prix Race 27 May 2012
What a fantastic day!

My Palme d'Or for this race goes to Flying Kamui



  

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 25):
Missing your usual updates on positions and times MadameC, hope you're having a glorious time there.

May 24-27, 2012 Circuit de Monaco | Total laps 78 | Lap distance 3.340 km | Race distance 260.520 km

Pos Points No Driver Car Engine Tyres Laps Race Time Delay Qualifying Fastest Lap

1 25 2 Mark Webber (AUS) Red Bull RB8 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 78 1:46'06.557 1 1'14.381
2 18 8 Nico Rosberg (GER) Mercedes WO3 Mercedes FO108X Pirelli 78 1:46'07.200 +0.643 2 1'14.448
3 15 5 Fernando Alonso (ESP) Ferrari F2012 Ferrari 056 Pirelli 78 1:46'07.504 +0.947 5 1'14.948
4 12 1 Sebastian Vettel (GER) Red Bull RB8 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 78 1:46'07.900 +1.343 9 -
5 10 4 Lewis Hamilton (GBR) McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes FO108X Pirelli 78 1:46'10.658 +4.101 3 1'14.583
6 8 6 Felipe Massa (BRA) Ferrari F2012 Ferrari 056 Pirelli 78 1:46'12.752 +6.195 7 1'15.049
7 6 11 Paul di Resta (GBR) Force India VJM05 Mercedes FO108Z Pirelli 78 1:46'48.094 +41.537 14 1'15.718
8 4 12 Nico Hülkenberg (GER) Force India VJM05 Mercedes FO108Z Pirelli 78 1:46'49.119 +42.562 10 1'15.421
9 2 9 Kimi Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus E20 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 78 1:46'50.593 +44.036 8 1'15.199
10 1 19 Bruno Senna (BRA) Williams FW34 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 78 1:46'51.073 +44.516 13 1'15.709
11 15 Sergio Perez (MEX) Sauber C31 Ferrari 056 Pirelli 77 +1 lap 23 - 1 1'17.296 (49)
12 17 Jean-Éric Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso STR7 Ferrari 056 Pirelli 77 +1 lap 16 1'16.885
13 20 Heikki Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham CT01 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 77 +1 lap 17 1'16.538
14 24 Timo Glock (GER) Marussia MR01 Cosworth CA2012 Pirelli 77 +1 lap 19 1'17.947
15 23 Narain Karthikeyan (IND) HRT F112 Cosworth CA2012 Pirelli 76 +2 laps 22 1'19.310
16 3 Jenson Button (GBR) McLaren MP4-27 Mercedes FO108X Pirelli 70 +8 laps 12 1'15.536
Retirement
-- 16 Daniel Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso STR7 Ferrari 056 Pirelli 65 15 1'15.878
-- 25 Charles Pic (FRA) Marussia MR01 Cosworth CA2012 Pirelli 64 21 1'18.476
-- 7 Michael Schumacher (GER) Mercedes WO3 Mercedes FO108X Pirelli 63 6 1'14.301
-- 21 Vitaly Petrov (RUS) Caterham CT01 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 15 18 1'17.404
-- 14 Kamui Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber C31 Ferrari 056 Pirelli 5 11 1'15.508
-- 10 Romain Grosjean (FRA) Lotus E20 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 0 4 1'14.639
-- 18 Pastor Maldonado (VEN) Williams FW34 Renault RS27-2012 Pirelli 0 24 1'15.245
-- 22 Pedro de la Rosa (ESP) HRT F112 Cosworth CA2012 Pirelli 0 20 1'18.096

     
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 29):
Phenomenal race
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 30):
It was a very entertaining race to watch
Quoting photopilot (Reply 31):
Great race

Say what?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34):
were you people watching the same race I was watching, yet again Monaco has given us a dull procession from start to finish, when are Bernie and the FIA going to come to grips with the fact that Monaco is not suitable for modern F1 cars, they are too fast for this track and have been for well over a decade.

And there I was thinking I was the only one.   

I really do fail to see the attraction of this event. Yes, one can admire the skill of the drivers as they pilot their cars at ludicrous speeds along the narrow streets, but it's not a race. It never will be. The top five separated by just a car's length for lap after lap with NO CHANCE of an overtake.

I understand the history of the event, but it's time to move on. It's a complete anachronism in modern F1.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 37):
but it's not a race. It never will be.

The race part of Monaco is well over before it even starts, qualifying is the race.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Sun May 27, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 37):
The top five separated by just a car's length for lap after lap with NO CHANCE of an overtake.

And you save the same with everyone behind a slow Kimi and later Button behind Kovalainen.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 12:24 am

To me, it was a good tight, entertaining race. The top 4 were within a second or 2 of each other. Another 1st time season winner, 2nd for Team Red Bull. Bruno Senna, actually got a point today - the first Senna since his uncle to do so. Schumi - he is just missing something, too many embarrassing runs in his return, I wonder if he shoud drop out and let some younger up and commer his seat. Some crashes but no one injured.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting moo (Reply 35):
It's a spectacular crash, no doubt about it, but not horrific. The car stayed together, the cockpit remained intact and the driver walked away. The car worked as it should.

The horrific part about it is how close it was to being a multiple fan fatality accident. The car was at least 30% above the catch fence. Just a ticking time bomb until spectators get killed in Monaco, IMO.

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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 7:10 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 38):
The race part of Monaco is well over before it even starts, qualifying is the race.

Monaco needs changing conditions to make it interesting otherwise you get what we saw, a boring procession..

Senna has been completely out classed by his team mate so far this year.

Nice one Webber!!
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 41):
The horrific part about it is how close it was to being a multiple fan fatality accident.

There are several places around that track that worry me in that regard, the other thing that scared ne was if that car was oriented differently we would have had another accident like Dan Wheldon's.. and we don't want any more of those.

The funny moment(and one can smile when it all ends safely) was when Conor stood up in the cockpit and dutifuly replaced the steering wheel, I understand those are the rules for when you stop on track but it seems fairly meaningless with the only remaining wheels hanging by their retaining cables.

The first lap accident in the GP2 race was an attention getter as well, airborne cars and all!
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34):
were you people watching the same race I was watching, yet again Monaco has given us a dull procession from start to finish, when are Bernie and the FIA going to come to grips with the fact that Monaco is not suitable for modern F1 cars, they are too fast for this track and have been for well over a decade.

While I agree that Monaco has been, as you put it, a dull procession for years, I disagree that it should be removed from the calendar. Monaco has history, glitz and glamour. That, in my view, is sufficient to keep it on the calendar.

There are some tracks that should never be removed from the F1 calendar. Silverstone and Monaco are two of them.
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 44):
Silverstone and Monaco are two of them.

And Spa. Please keep Spa!!!
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 3:20 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 45):

And Spa. Please keep Spa!!!

Spa is the best track in F1, to remove Spa would be a tragedy, Silverstone is also a must have race since many of the F1 teams and a vast number of suppliers are based in the UK.

Monaco harks back to days long past, which is no reason to keep it. The glamour that some speak of is almost non existent, I don't see Monaco as a glamorous location, you could argue (successfully IMO) that glamour and Monaco left the building when Grace Kelly passed, now it's full up with rich Russians.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 41):
The horrific part about it is how close it was to being a multiple fan fatality accident. The car was at least 30% above the catch fence. Just a ticking time bomb until spectators get killed in Monaco, IMO.

But thats not unique to Monaco - any of the circuits where a high speed portion of the track isn't separated from the crowd by a huge run off area suffers the same issue, and thats more tracks than you think as many of them have high speed areas right by catch fences, even some of the modern ones.

So either you have the spectators up close and loving the action, or you have them set back 100 or more yards and separated from the race.
 
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 4:19 pm

Hi all,

I am going to derail this thread just a little , I pray you will indulge me...

My mum was a big F1 fan, rarely missed a race on TV , made it to Adelaide once.
In November ’94 she made me buy a blue Senna Nacional cap and bring it back from Adelaide.
May 29th 1995, lunchtime, with the illnesses that had plagued her for many years taking their toll(but never without a smile) we spoke about the previous evening’s GP on the Mediterranean coast, won by an up and coming German “superstar” of whom she was no fan!
She wasn’t happy with the result!!...discussed the race in detail...last conversation we had, I went back to work , by that evening she was watching us from a better place!

I am pretty sure she would have a smile about the 2012 Monaco GP, she never knew of Mark Webber the F1 driver but I bet she would be a fan!

Thanks

Chris
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RE: F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix

Mon May 28, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 48):

Thats quite a nice story, thanks for sharing it  

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