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Man Wanted For Sending Human Hand/foot To PC HQ

Thu May 31, 2012 5:17 am

This is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/30/luka-rocco-magnotta-manhunt/

A few days ago, the Conservative Party of Canada's HQ in Ottawa received two suspicious packages that turned out to be a human hand and foot. They were later found to be sent from someone who murdered another man with an ice pick, dismembered his body and did all sorts of nasty stuff with it. He's still on the lam.

He even filmed the whole thing and uploaded it. Makes me sick to my stomach.
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Thu May 31, 2012 8:57 am

It reminds me of the 3 guys 1 hammer thing that happened in Ukraine.

Pretty sickening.

(By the way, I will add a disclaimer - do NOT google that if you value your eyesight. I did out of curiosity and well... I wished I hadn't.)
 
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Thu May 31, 2012 1:23 pm

I got to watch the breaking news non-stop coverage of it while waiting for my car to be serviced yesterday. I can kind of understand how people do rash and terrible things when they are in the heat of a moment; however, something like this is so completely incomprehensible to me.
 
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Thu May 31, 2012 2:00 pm

Unfortunately I don't have a source to post, but I was listening to the news on my drive into work this morning and apparently a man in Montana or Oregon had contacted the FBI and Toronto Police Service the day after Magnotta posted the murder video online saying that he was worried it was real. Apparently he was shut down time and time again, only being listened to after the story broke, and after Magnotta had disappeared. I can't help but think that if the authorities had taken this man's calls seriously, they could have caught Magnotta before he fled (they now think he fled to France).

Quoting jamincan (Reply 2):
in the heat of a moment

Speaking of "in the heat of the moment", at the bottom of the article for this story on The Toronto Sun website, there's a poll asking if Canada should reinstate the death penalty...81% say yes. Of course The Sun is baiting these responses by putting the poll on the same page as this horrendous story, but even in a biased environment I think 81% is high!
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Thu May 31, 2012 8:02 pm

And you all thought amnerican politics where tough
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Thu May 31, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):

And you all thought amnerican politics where tough

*American
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This isn't a political issue as such - this is a murderer who's posting body parts to political parties. He could be posting them anywhere and for all we know, he has and they just haven't arrived yet.
 
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Thu May 31, 2012 11:31 pm

It's on SMH this morning (www.smh.com.au). It's disgusting. What makes people do this sort of sick stuff?

I won't link to the article, it's not nice reading.  
 
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
A few days ago, the Conservative Party of Canada's HQ in Ottawa received two suspicious packages that turned out to be a human hand and foot. They were later found to be sent from someone who murdered another man with an ice pick, dismembered his body and did all sorts of nasty stuff with it. He's still on the lam.

The hand was found at a Canada Post depot and was addressed to the Liberal Party of Canada.
 
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
(they now think he fled to France)

This is where we get to see how effective border controls are, or are not.

Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:26 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats?

That's what they allege. I don't think it was ever concrete proof it was him though.

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
How best to deal with sickos like this?

I predict he'll spend a very long time in a mental institution. Maybe he'll even be buddies with Vincent Li.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
Unfortunately I don't have a source to post, but I was listening to the news on my drive into work this morning and apparently a man in Montana or Oregon had contacted the FBI and Toronto Police Service the day after Magnotta posted the murder video online saying that he was worried it was real. Apparently he was shut down time and time again, only being listened to after the story broke, and after Magnotta had disappeared. I can't help but think that if the authorities had taken this man's calls seriously, they could have caught Magnotta before he fled (they now think he fled to France).

I believe I see the Blue Wall forming up here.    If they'd at least have looked at it, possibly this creep could have been apprehended at the airport.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
Speaking of "in the heat of the moment", at the bottom of the article for this story on The Toronto Sun website, there's a poll asking if Canada should reinstate the death penalty...81% say yes. Of course The Sun is baiting these responses by putting the poll on the same page as this horrendous story, but even in a biased environment I think 81% is high!

So we change the law to meet an exception ? There has not been an execution in Canada (ironically, an American) for 50 years. It has been shown to a) not be a deterrent, and b) much more expensive than life imprisonment. Of course the Sun will play this up since their mission is to cater to mouth-breathers and droolers.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
And you all thought amnerican politics where tough

        

Quoting cpd (Reply 6):
It's on SMH this morning (www.smh.com.au). It's disgusting. What makes people do this sort of sick stuff?

He's whacked, that's why. There is no really logical way to explain it, unless you happen to be a shrink and are on TV.

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.

Drowning them, I believe.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 9):

I predict he'll spend a very long time in a mental institution. Maybe he'll even be buddies with Vincent Li.

But Vince Li now gets supervised outings. At the end of the day, I hope a dark cell where he can play with himself until he dies in anonymity.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
Quoting babybus (Reply 8):Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.

Drowning them, I believe.

Kittens. Apparently stuffing them in a plastic bag and then vacuuming the air out. He is a Psycho. The victim in this murder is believed to be a missing Chinese student.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
I believe I see the Blue Wall forming up here. If they'd at least have looked at it, possibly this creep could have been apprehended at the airport.

I read on The Toronto Star website last night that some officials have "expressed regret" about their inaction. Turns out the guy who was making these calls to authorities is apparently a lawyer.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
much more expensive than life imprisonment

But is the extensive appeal and review process really more extensive than, say, an extra 20 years of paying for someone's imprisonment?

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
But Vince Li now gets supervised outings. At the end of the day, I hope a dark cell where he can play with himself until he dies in anonymity.

I wouldn't be too heartbroken if this Magnotta guy was thrown in a dark cell for a while, but I'm more curious to see what the results would be of his indepth mental assessment. I highly doubt he has severe schizophrenia like Vince Li.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 12):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
much more expensive than life imprisonment

But is the extensive appeal and review process really more extensive than, say, an extra 20 years of paying for someone's imprisonment?

Tying up court time is a very expensive business. The Crown has a ton of people deployed on cases like this, and the defendant, access to expert witnesses, yadda yadda. If a capital case, even moreso. As well, since this creep likely has no resources, we pay for all the lawyers. Then, of course, in the event an error of fact or law is found (I surely hope not here), you can release him (or maybe it's "it", seems to be androgynous in some sense).

Capital punishment will always be argued both pro and con. One thing in Canada is absolutely clear from the stats: the homicide rate in Canada since CP was abolished in 1974 has dropped 50% per capita. Despite this sicko, I think we're a better off society for it.
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Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:51 pm

The more details that come out, the more I'm utterly disturbed.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
Speaking of "in the heat of the moment", at the bottom of the article for this story on The Toronto Sun website, there's a poll asking if Canada should reinstate the death penalty...81% say yes. Of course The Sun is baiting these responses by putting the poll on the same page as this horrendous story, but even in a biased environment I think 81% is high!

It is high, but polls have consistently shown a majority of Canadians are in favour of the death penalty. Despite the support, it's not coming back.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 13):
Tying up court time is a very expensive business. The Crown has a ton of people deployed on cases like this, and the defendant, access to expert witnesses, yadda yadda. If a capital case, even moreso. As well, since this creep likely has no resources, we pay for all the lawyers. Then, of course, in the event an error of fact or law is found (I surely hope not here), you can release him (or maybe it's "it", seems to be androgynous in some sense).

Capital punishment will always be argued both pro and con. One thing in Canada is absolutely clear from the stats: the homicide rate in Canada since CP was abolished in 1974 has dropped 50% per capita. Despite this sicko, I think we're a better off society for it.

Exactly. Not to mention the courts have essentially made the return of the death penalty a non-starter. The Supreme Court has effectively stated that the death penalty is unconstitutional (see: United States v. Burns).
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:57 pm

This thread would probably draw more interest if the snuff film was mentioned in the title.

Interestingly, this guy was apparently a big aviation buff. I wonder if he ever participated within these forums?
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:03 pm

Speaking of feet, did they ever figure out the story behind all those feets they kept finding out on the beaches around Victoria and Vancouver?
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Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 15):
Interestingly, this guy was apparently a big aviation buff. I wonder if he ever participated within these forums?

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Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:35 pm

Just in on BBC World: arrest made in Berlin of Luka Rocco Magnotta on an Interpol warrant.

And so the extradition proceedings begin, which I believe should be pro forma, and then his trial in Canada. If there is a conviction, and I presuppose nothing, I believe he will be designated as a "dangerous offender", which means, notwithstanding the 25 year term of a life sentence, he never gets out. Same as Paul Bernardo.
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:40 pm

mmmhh, just seen that on TV, they catched him in an internet cafe. What a cozy place to spend the weeks and months before extradition. He could not have picked a better city to spend a vacation before he gets to see the Canadian jail system. .
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:59 pm

Let's hope they can fly him back to Canada. Who knows...with the current Berlin airport situation they probably have to send him back by ship... 

Anyway, good to see this sick creature behind bars.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 17):
FLAIRPORT....

        

What bugs me about this whole thing is that I understand that he never had a criminal past and that this sort of behavior wasn't characteristic for him. Then, one day, he tortures a kitten. Then he carves up his boyfriend.

WTF went wrong in his brain? Mini-stroke or injury to some nerve pathway involved in empathy?


Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.

My opinion? Euthanasia. But that is indistinguishable from "Death Penalty" and the procedures by which we would ensure that such a system is not abused are problematic. This is why a few victims of the death penalty have been exhonerated posthumously. Since there is no way to mathematically prove guilt to 100.0% confidence, my second suggestion is solitary confinement for life.
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Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:11 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 17):
FLAIRPORT....

Well, considering that he's very effeminate, I was thinking of EmiratesA350 (or something similar, his real name is Mark and he's from YYZ IIRC).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
What bugs me about this whole thing is that I understand that he never had a criminal past and that this sort of behavior wasn't characteristic for him. Then, one day, he tortures a kitten. Then he carves up his boyfriend.

He was able to cut through human limbs in a matter of seconds. It's likely he's had years of experience torturing animals yet wasn't caught. Apparently he tipped off his identity to an internet sleuth group (attempting to find the person responsible for the kitten videos) who then contacted the police in Canada, but they weren't interested.

And he was promoting his latest video weeks before he filmed it, while simultaneously responding to ads on Craigslist's M4M section. His victim likely was somebody meeting up with for a hook-up rather than an ex-lover.
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:55 am

According to news reports, Jun Lin got whacked by an ice pick in his head. Perhaps Magnotta was a Stalinist?
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:19 am

and Jun Lin a Trotzkist?

Germany should extradite the guy to China, they would deal with him quickly. But we don't do that, even when we extradite killers to the US (US citizens) the justice makes sure that the US cannot apply capital ounishment.

If he is uncooperative he will spend a long time in Germany.
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 17):
FLAIRPORT....

  

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24):
If he is uncooperative he will spend a long time in Germany.


It appears he is being quite cooperative: ‘Canadian Psycho’ suspect Luka Magnotta will not fight extradition

[Edited 2012-06-06 06:55:08]
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 23):
According to news reports, Jun Lin got whacked by an ice pick in his head. Perhaps Magnotta was a Stalinist?

He was mimicking Basic Instinct, his favorite movie.
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:23 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 26):
He was mimicking Basic Instinct, his favorite movie.

Well, the sources vary.

Some other sources say he has an overly narcissistic personality. Having tried to reach fame via traditional means (first trying to be an actor, then a pornographic actor, and also trying to get into a reality TV show, he then started torturing and killing animals, cats mainly, and posting the videos on Youtube to get some attention).

When all of the above failed, he planned his murder carefully as shown by his website (haven't been on it, read articles about it). He mentions on his website, at a date before the murder, that he is the canadian necrophiliac mass murderer.

He then apparently seduced a Chinese student (the victim), drugged him and then stabbed him several times on video (key part is "on video") - to post the video later on.

He then posted three other Youtube videos saying hello to and thanking his "fans". So there you are... he basically wanted to be world famous. And unfortunately he has become world famous. For all the wrong reasons.
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:04 pm

Well Berlin police is certainly on a roll this week. Yesterday they've located the Canadian ice-pickle psycho, and today they've only gone and found my stolen phone!    Mentioned it to them too, "doing what we can" they said.  
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Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:30 pm

Hand and foot delivered to separate schools in Vancouver yesterday, I believe it was yesterday. Looks probably like more of the unfortunate Mr Lin. No head yet. Totally disgusting.

Magnotta seems to have waived his rights re extradition, so it's a matter of paperwork, and he'll be back in Canada fairly soon. I expect a lengthy pre-trial psych screening to determine if he actually can stand trial, i.e., is he fit to understand the charges, and to conduct either by himself or through a lawyer, his defense. He may be deemed to be too crazy to be tried, and in that case probably committed to a secure facility for a long time, likely life.

Before anyone gets too excited, under British Common Law there is no such thing as double jeopardy. The Crown can try you as many times as it wishes on the same charge. In case of 'technicalities'. Famous case in Winnipeg circa 1985: Regina (the Queen) vs Sophonow. Donut shop waitress was strangled to death Dec 23, 1981. Thomas Sophonow was charged, tried, and convicted in 1985. Spent 4 years in prison, won his appeal. Tried again on same charge, hung jury. Tried again, convicted, won his appeal. Crown was going to go for a 4th trial, but a commission of inquiry decided the jailhouse informant evidence was unreliable, so declined to proceed. Sophonow received a payout from the government and now lives in Vancouver. Apparently no further involvement.

A fellow in Edmonton who runs a shock website posted the video of the murder. Police and the Crown are looking to charge him under obscenity laws, which in Canada are pretty liberal, but I think he'll have a hard time defending himself on this one.
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