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What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:48 am

I have some questions to the owners MacBook/MacBook Pros here

1. How long have you had it?
2. What is the performance like?
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.
4. How is Apple's tech support?
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Basically, I have a laptop which needs replacement. It had Windows XP on it when I got it seven years ago. A couple of years back, I removed Windows and installed Linux, and it has been going great since. But it is really showing its age in now and I want to buy a new one. I was considering the MacBook Pro and want to know what people think of it.

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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:17 am

First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:40 am

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.

Most likely on the 11th already!
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:58 am

1. How long have you had it? 1.5 years
2. What is the performance like? Fantastic, for photo/movies/uni work. Not so great for gaming
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem? Not sure, it has slowed down, but not significantly.
4. How is Apple's tech support? Never had to use it
5. Would you recommend I buy one? Absolutely, completely worth it.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:03 am

As to your questions I'm on to my second MacBook, first a Pro and now an Air.
Loved them both.
The Pro would still be soldiering on, the processor broke only months later did I realise that it was a defect in that generation and Apple would have fixed it...oh well.
It survived many, many drops and use and abuse.

Now I have the Air that I bought the day after they were released last year, without even knowing they'd just made a new one which is also a fantastic computer. Thankfully a good deal cheaper than the pro was back in the day... The battery life is not all its chalked up to be though.

As to the slow with age, its not some magic ageing of the computer, its the user not looking after it properly, filling it up with junkware, viruses. Macs will get slow too if you never do simple things like delete old programs, update the ones you use and the OS, clear out the trash etc.

I don't know if you should buy one though. What are your needs in a laptop? Asus has an incredibly fine laptop range and I'd recommend you check them out aswell as the other competition before diving headlong into the Mac. Windows 8 is coming out in October too which I'm thoroughly excited about for my desktop.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:22 am

First of all, it is likely that the new generation of MacBook( Pro)s will be announced during the WWDC keynote this monday.

Likely new features:
• the new Ivy Bridge Intel CPU line
• USB3
• some models with high-resolution Retina Displays
• probably some bigger MacBook Air-like models (15")

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?

17" MacBook Pro (late 2006).

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
2. What is the performance like?

Excellent. Still runs great; Just the mechanical harddisk is a major performance bottleneck.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.

 
No to both.

The only slow-down effect happens when you've got a mechanical harddisk installed and it's filling up. The data on the first-written outer tracks is read or written quite a bit faster than the data on the later-written inner tracks. This happens on all computers using harddisks, on some in addition to the OS slowing down as well.

If possible, get a model with an SSD where this effect doesn't exist (there is just a certain slowdown on writing after a while, but reading is still a whole lot faster than on any mechanical harddisk, mainly due to not having to move mechanical parts around.

Re-installing the system is generally unnecessary on a Mac. I've bought my MBP in 2006 with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and I've never re-installed the system since, just updated it "in place" to 10.5, 10.6 and now 10.7 Lion (which will probably be the last system it supports).

Fragmentation is not an issue since the system de-fragments files automatically in the background.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
4. How is Apple's tech support?

Usually excellent in my experience. If you get Apple Care, you'll have three years of warranty and extended phone support (including "how to" questions if needed). If you've got Apple Stores in the vicinity, you can get support at their Genius Bar on top of that.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Of course that depends on what you need it for.

Since all Macs can run Windows and Linux as well (and quite well at that, either natively or in a virtual machine), they are effectively the most flexible computers at this time.

It is not entirely clear whether Apple will update the entire MacBook range in one go at the keynote and it is possible that they'll introduce a third line between MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, so there might be additional choices. Monday will be interesting, that much is certain.

In the end it's all about your actual needs and preferences and how well any of the new machines can match them.

This will of course include the question of price, but if you weren't looking for a high-quality machine (at a corresponding price) you probably wouldn't have asked your question in the first place.

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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:28 am

Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.   
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):
Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.   

Good idea for your first one indeed.

I actually use my desktop Mac far more often than the Macbook Pro. I dont like touchpads and the big screen doesnt make me tired as quickly as the laptop does. I can work on my desktop for 6, 7 hours with no stop, no problem, but Im fed up to look at the Macbook after just 2! Also Im fortunately not forced to work outside very often.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:32 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?

I've been a Mac user since I started using computers around 1994(!?).

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
2. What is the performance like?

It's hard to compare with windows machines, because they are so bloated.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.

Everything wears out with age, and there are things you can do to speed things up. OS reinstall, cleaning up login items, disk permission etc.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
4. How is Apple's tech support?

Never had to use it.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Yes. But learn how to use it. Lots of people I know have bought Macs, but act like it is just like windows. It isn't. A work colleague was freaking out because (after two months of using a Mac at work, after demanding one) she realised that clicking the X doesn't close the application.

I currently use an 11 inch MacBook Air from late 2011 with a massive external monitor. I would have preferred a MacBookPro, but this one has enough power for the time being.

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.

  
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:01 pm

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.

Im not someone who always buys the newest. It often comes with shortfalls. First its more expensive, second, very important to me, it means old applications wont work anymore. It can be wise to buy the older version once a new genaration pops up. I am an Apple user since the early 90s, but imho Apple upgrades their OS system far too often now. Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion,... all in 4, 5 years. Too much change. I want a tool that works in the long term, and not read handbooks every twelve months because of shiny new gadgets I mostly dont need. Frequent change was good in the times when each step was necessary due to the fast leaps in technology, lets say until 2005ish, but now its more about gadgets than real improvements. Its driving cost and is time consuming to constantly upgrade in short intervals, and much less necessary anymore as it once was.

For Mac newbees, refurbished Computers are often the better deal.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?

3 years, 5 months (15" MacBook Pro, late 2008 version)

What I've done to it since: upgraded the RAM from 2 GB (IIRC) to 4 GB, upgraded the HDD from 250 GB to 1 TB and finally: replaced the HDD with a 120 GB SSD, removed the optical drive and installed the HDD in a purpose-built frame in its place.

Someone must have sat on a corner (there is an otherwise inexplicable bent in the bottom case) and it has received a nasty knock to one side which left another dent. But none of that and other abuse has led to cracks or similar damage.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
2. What is the performance like?

The only time I wish I had a newer version is when I'm ripping DVDs, which I do because I don't want to take the now external optical drive on trips. My laptop, like many other MBPs, has two GPUs (a slower one that improves battery life and a faster one that drains it quickly), but unlike newer versions it does require logging off and on again to switch between the two. Additionally, the ripping itself is more time-consuming than it would otherwise be.

But on the other hand, the SSD has really made it fly. I can run Windows XP in a virtual machine with no problem at all, the SSD doesn't even break a sweat. Before that, booting the VM required patience and lots of it.

As for everyday applications, this laptop is still much more than I need - that said, I have no interest in games except Civ3 and Solitaire.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.

a) No. Maintenance is almost fully automatic and the one operation (repairing access rights) that does require manual activation only does so because it's a strain on HDD performance. But I hardly ever need to run it anyway.
b) I reinstalled Lion after I had installed the SSD. For space reasons, I couldn't simply restore the backup from the 1 TB HDD to the much smaller SSD*, so I decided that it would simply be easier to install a fresh OS and restore only what I needed to the SSD... not something which I would have done with Windows!    And to my pleasant surprise, that gave me no trouble at all - even my Firefox cookies were still in place after all was said and done.

*Restoring from backup did however work perfectly during the earlier upgrade from 250 GB HDD to 1 TB HDD.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
4. How is Apple's tech support?

No idea, I have never needed it. But there is plenty of helpful information on the web, the user base has long ago reached the critical mass of numbers and knowledge.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Yes.

Being a student, mine was a very expensive decision and only possible due to lucky circumstances. But I have never once regretted a single Euro that I've spent on it.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
I've bought my MBP in 2006 with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and I've never re-installed the system since, just updated it "in place" to 10.5, 10.6 and now 10.7 Lion (which will probably be the last system it supports).

In that case, you have in-fact reinstalled the OS - 10.6 onward does a clean install and migration, which removes all of the crud that builds up (orphaned files in ~/Library etc, orphaned Launchd directives, orphaned hooks into the OS - even OSX suffers from those).

In reply to the parent, I cant comment on OSX much these days as I sit in Windows 7 99% of hte time on my Macbook Pro, but I bought it because it had the best screen in its class, I like the hardware and the ease of support.

Its a 17" MBP, 2010 edition, 8GB ram and a 500GB hard disk - its certainly fast enough for everything I want it to do.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:13 pm

How life works. Here I am pondering whether I should get a Mac some time this year and a MacBook thread appears.
Today my WiFi driver got corrupted and that was basically the last straw. Even though I managed to fix it, I'm through having my computer slow down (though so far it has yet to crash), having drivers getting corrupted, etc. Besides, I'm expecting to get into grad school so while my laptop has served its purpose well so far, I'm thinking that for grad school I should retire it or only use it for stuff that can only be launched on Windows. I believe installing Windows on a Mac kinda defeats the purpose of having one in the first place.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):
Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.

Hm...interesting. Question: will you still get support? Like, for instance, when the new Mac OSX is released, do you get instant access or would you have to pay for it?

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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:25 pm

Great machines, but wait for a couple of days--Monday is the WWDC, with strong indications that the next generation with Ivy Bridge, (possible) Retina Display, and likely new form factor will be announced.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 12):
Hm...interesting. Question: will you still get support? Like, for instance, when the new iOS is released, do you get instant access or would you have to pay for it?

Yes, you get support, same warranty, etc. Buying refurbished is the best way to buy Apple products unless you are buying one that just came out. Like all machines, though, you need to pay to upgrade to the next OS--but upgrades to the current OS come free.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 12):
Hm...interesting. Question: will you still get support? Like, for instance, when the new iOS is released, do you get instant access or would you have to pay for it?

iOS is for iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches only - Mac OSX is what runs on desktops and laptops.

Mac OSX updates are split into two categories - major and minor.

Minor updates are free, and take you from 10.7.0 to 10.7.1. Apple releases these until they don't, basically, but they are always free.

Major updates take you from 10.7 to 10.8.

And they are (usually - there has been one exception thus far, but that was OSX 10.0 to 10.1) paid upgrades only. Thats excluding the upgrade you get for free if you buy a Mac 30 days or so prior to Apple releasing the new version - Apple are nice like that.

If you buy a refurb Apple device, then you get the same level of support as a new device - so long as you bought it from Apple themselves. If you buy a refurb device from a third party, then its a whole different ball game.

You can also buy the AppleCare warranty in the same manner for a refurb device - to Apple they are essentially no different to new devices.
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
iOS is for iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches only - Mac OSX is what runs on desktops and laptops.

Oops. Fixed it.  
Quoting moo (Reply 14):
If you buy a refurb Apple device, then you get the same level of support as a new device - so long as you bought it from Apple themselves. If you buy a refurb device from a third party, then its a whole different ball game.

You can also buy the AppleCare warranty in the same manner for a refurb device - to Apple they are essentially no different to new devices.

Excellent. Thanks for this information. Now if only Apple shipped to Puerto Rico...   
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:07 pm

I have a 15 inch macbook pro

1. How long have you had it?
Soon to be five years.

2. What is the performance like?
Pretty solid. Can't complain. I use my computer mostly for MS Office, mp3 files, photos, skype, and internet browsing, so I don't ride this machine relatively hard.

3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.
The time it takes for the computer to turn on has increased noticeably, but otherwise my web browser and other files take just as long as when I first acquired the computer in summer 2007. I, to the best of my knowledge, have not had to re-install the OS, though I did upgrade from Tiger to Leopard a few years ago.

Battery life has fallen noticeably though.

4. How is Apple's tech support?
Apple's people are great for expertise and getting the problem solved. I know I had some early teething problems, and the Genius Bar was great for handling those. Nonetheless, my experience is that they also seem all too eager to sell you a bunch of new things, so just know that in advance. Overall though, its great to be able to make an appointment with a real person who is an expert and can fix your computer.

5. Would you recommend I buy one?
If you're looking for something that is going to last you five or six years, then yes.

These computers are expensive, especially the one I use, which was double the price of a fairly comparable Windows machine that my family members used at the time. You're paying a lot of money, and therefore you should expect to get a lot in return; I'm mixed whether Apple delivers their end of the proposition.

I'm happy with mine, but it definitely had some early quirks that resulted in quite a few genius bar trips; some of them were caused by my rookie mistakes and others were hardware problems caused by Apple. The first year and a half I swore I would never buy another mac, but once the kinks were worked out, the computer has run well.

Size-wise, I find my 15 inch to be a bit large and heavy to travel around town with, which I do regularly, and on airplanes. I'm happy to buy another mac, but I'll be looking for a 13 inch that is lighter-weight.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 11):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
I've bought my MBP in 2006 with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and I've never re-installed the system since, just updated it "in place" to 10.5, 10.6 and now 10.7 Lion (which will probably be the last system it supports).

In that case, you have in-fact reinstalled the OS - 10.6 onward does a clean install and migration, which removes all of the crud that builds up (orphaned files in ~/Library etc, orphaned Launchd directives, orphaned hooks into the OS - even OSX suffers from those).

No, the upgrade was not noticeably different to the other ones. All upgrades preform some modifications and some cleanup.

An actual fresh installation loses all your preferences and customizations. And that was not the case. Even most of my Unix-level customizations remained intact.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):
Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.

In principle the refurbished offers can be a nice option.

Except exactly when a major model overhaul is due as it is right now.

It can take months until the first refurbished machines of the new generation come trickling into the Store, and until then you're not actually "saving" money but you're just paying less to get a just-outdated computer without the current upgrades and with a resale value likely more reduced than the refurbished price is from the price of an actually new one.

So unless you have exceptional reasons for going the refurbished route even now, I would urgently recommend you to not choose it.

Or at least to wait until the new machines are being offered. At that point you'll really save money while getting essentially the same product (it may have been used but should be as good as new and comes with full support and warranty).
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
No, the upgrade was not noticeably different to the other ones. All upgrades preform some modifications and some cleanup.

All upgrades do, but in 10.6 we switched to just one type of upgrade, which essentially replaced the Archive and Reinstall, but pulled most settings back - it does remove a heck of a lot of cruft from a system.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
An actual fresh installation loses all your preferences and customizations. And that was not the case. Even most of my Unix-level customizations remained intact.

That's because the upgrade process we switched to in 10.6 is really nice - but my point remains, it cleans up a load of cruft at the same time.

Note: I worked at Apple as a contractor between the end of 2008 and start of 2010, one of the things I tangentially worked on was testing the upgrade process for 10.6 in January of 2009 - I know how it works.
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:14 pm

I moved to Macs about a month before 9/11 and took it on my first overseas business trip about a month after 9/11.

That PowerBook was a solid performer, as has been the PacBook Pro that replaced it. Getting slow with age, for me, is either from overloading the hard drive, or from being overloaded by technology. Best example of the latter would be my original G5 iMac (ordered the day it was announced) that has a hard time with the large jpeg files from my new 14 mp digital camera.

Tech support from Apple is why I switched to them. I always purchase Apple Care because it gives you both hardware protection and tech support on the software side. You can call with a "how do I" type of question - or go into a store for the Genius Bar.

Do I recommend them? Yes, for a lot of factors, but customer service is at the top of my list.

For those who need a Windows program (or a few) to run there is Parallels, which lets you run any Windows in a virtual computer. There are periodic "bundle promotions" that will include Parallels on the cheap. One right now is at:

http://www.mupromo.com/

Other bundle information is at:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1167..._bundles_offer_great_bargains.html

Another factor these days in going with a Mac is the emerging iOS running the iPad, iPhone and iPod touch. These devices are also working with Windows, but Apple is bringing them closer to Macs.

It has been mentioned before, but new products are being announced during the WWDC Keynote. It is well worth you time and money to see what goes on Monday morning. Links to sites that are traditionally good for Keybote information are:

appleinsider.com (this site has a good Forum, especially for information/support)
macrumors.com

and macdailynews.com collects stories from other sources. Bit of a fanboy site IMO, but can pick good stories.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:17 pm

Thank you for all your comments. Really appreciate it.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
The only slow-down effect happens when you've got a mechanical harddisk installed and it's filling up. The data on the first-written outer tracks is read or written quite a bit faster than the data on the later-written inner tracks. This happens on all computers using harddisks, on some in addition to the OS slowing down as well.

A major reason for slowing down over time in Windows systems is the cluttering up of the registry. This is why it is always a good idea to re-install the OS once a year. Reinstalling the OS also helps get rid of the odd bug not removed by the anti-virus. Of course, both these problems almost never happen in Linux systems or with the Mac.

Quoting na (Reply 9):
For Mac newbees, refurbished Computers are often the better deal.

I'm not a MacNewbie.   I have used their stuff . In my experience, they really slow down with time, much like Windows systems. My workplace is full of old Macs which are technically ok, but are really slow and scratchy, and are simply gathering dust. Anyone needing a PC simply buys a new one. The advantage with Windows powered PCs is that they can be recycled and made as good as new by installing linux once they get too slow and old. I was wondering if doing some such thing was possible with an old Mac.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 16):
These computers are expensive, especially the one I use, which was double the price of a fairly comparable Windows machine that my family members used at the time. You're paying a lot of money, and therefore you should expect to get a lot in return; I'm mixed whether Apple delivers their end of the proposition.

  

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
Yes.

Being a student, mine was a very expensive decision and only possible due to lucky circumstances. But I have never once regretted a single Euro that I've spent on it.

Man, that's a lot of upgrading you've done in three years. Was it really required, I mean, were there performance issues that made you upgrade?
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 18):
All upgrades do, but in 10.6 we switched to just one type of upgrade, which essentially replaced the Archive and Reinstall, but pulled most settings back - it does remove a heck of a lot of cruft from a system.

The internal mechanism doesn't matter in the end when the user-visible effect is a transparent upgrade with pretty much full retention of your configuration, not a new installation where you'd have to manually reconstruct your setup afterwards..
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
The internal mechanism doesn't matter in the end when the user-visible effect is a transparent upgrade with pretty much full retention of your configuration, not a new installation where you'd have to manually reconstruct your setup afterwards..

Just pointing out that it achieves the same thing as a reinstall of Windows does, for much the same reasons - cruft hanging around.
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 22):
Just pointing out that it achieves the same thing as a reinstall of Windows does, for much the same reasons - cruft hanging around.

Does a fresh Windows installation retain all applications, documents and settings?
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Does a fresh Windows installation retain all applications, documents and settings?

It can do actually, if you migrate the settings - works a treat.
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:01 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 24):
It can do actually, if you migrate the settings - works a treat.

Then it's to be hoped that it still filters out the reasons why it became necessary in the first place.
 
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Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
Then it's to be hoped that it still filters out the reasons why it became necessary in the first place.

But then I don't ever see the fabled "slow down due to cruft" anyway.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?
2. What is the performance like?
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.
4. How is Apple's tech support?
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

1.I'm typing this from one of the original MacBooks that slid off the assembly line in June 2006. I'm waiting and waiting for something to happen, but it just won't die. Not sure I would have gotten 6 years out of a Dell or HP.

2/3. The computer's gotten a bit slower over time, but that's mostly due to the size and complexity of applications increasing over the years and the fact that my hard drive has been almost completely full for a long time now. I never upgraded the RAM either, so it just has 1GB. It's not made to be a performance machine, since it's not a Pro.

4.Support has been fantastic in the couple times I've had to use it. My laptop was one of the batch in 2006 that came out with a defect in the plastic bezel that would cause a yellowing of the plastic where your palm rested. I called and spent less than 10 minutes talking to a friendly US-based woman on the phone, who told me that they would ship a DHL box to me, I could put the computer in the box, and they would fix it and ship it back for free. I sent the computer out on Monday and it was back in my hands on Wednesday.  Wow!

I never purchased the AppleCare, since I generally take very good care of my stuff and am pretty tech-savvy, but I have heard of cases where friends bought the support and it came in handy.

5. I definitely recommend one. I also echo the comments others made about refurbished deals. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the next few days...

Quoting LOWS (Reply 8):
Yes. But learn how to use it. Lots of people I know have bought Macs, but act like it is just like windows. It isn't. A work colleague was freaking out because (after two months of using a Mac at work, after demanding one) she realised that clicking the X doesn't close the application.

So true. I've had multiple friends who had no idea that they had a dozen or more applications running in the background because they didn't know what the little dots under the icons on the Dock meant.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:15 am

I'm on my third Windows-based laptop in three years. I can't seem to pick a solid one that can put up with how mobile my life is (I work for an airline.) I've had problems with viruses (even with Anti-virus programs!), hardware breaking, the laptop components themselves breaking, etc. My partner keeps telling me to upgrade to a Mac and we were going to go shopping for one this weekend. The new features listed above which are supposed to be announced Monday sound nice but honestly mean nothing to me. My question is if they announce this new line Monday how soon until it is available in stores?
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:36 am

Quoting safetydemo (Reply 28):
My partner keeps telling me to upgrade to a Mac and we were going to go shopping for one this weekend. The new features listed above which are supposed to be announced Monday sound nice but honestly mean nothing to me. My question is if they announce this new line Monday how soon until it is available in stores?

Usually soon, if not immediately.

This weekend would be the absolute worst time to shop for a new Mac. Wait at least for monday.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:00 am

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
Quoting safetydemo (Reply 28):
I'm on my third Windows-based laptop in three years. I can't seem to pick a solid one that can put up with how mobile my life is (I work for an airline.) I've had problems with viruses (even with Anti-virus programs!), hardware breaking, the laptop components themselves breaking, etc. My partner keeps telling me to upgrade to a Mac and we were going to go shopping for one this weekend. The new features listed above which are supposed to be announced Monday sound nice but honestly mean nothing to me. My question is if they announce this new line Monday how soon until it is available in stores?

Wait until Monday. The products will be available almost immediately--even if you don't care for it, the current models will drop in price.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 20):
Was it really required, I mean, were there performance issues that made you upgrade?

Apart from the RAM upgrade (which I did because it was cheaper than buying the 4 GB of RAM directly from Apple), none of it was really necessary. I just wanted loads of internal storage, so I bought a 1 TB drive as soon as an affordable one had become available. The SSD was just for extra speed.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):

1. How long have you had it?
2. What is the performance like?
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.
4. How is Apple's tech support?
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

1) 2 years
2) SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN PC and can handle so much.
3) Nope, stays about the same. However mine gets a lot of abuse so that may take a hamper on it.
4) Pretty good, however I always tell them to reroute me to the nearest Apple store if i need something.
5) YES   
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
Wait at least for monday.

Monday's arrived and the Keynote is close.

On the MacBook Pro's the rumor is a significantly improved display - the "Retina" version. Lots of rumors, this is one:

Quote:

we believe that Apple will be announcing both next-generation MacBook Pros with a thinner design and Retina Display AND spec-bumped MacBook Pros with the current design.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/11/new-ma...uperdrive-magsafes-coming-at-wwdc/

There are also rumors of a Back-To-School promotions that get you a $100 gift card with a Mac purchase. You could put the towards an iPad, which get's you a $50 gift card, which you could put towards AppleCare for the MacBook.   

While the Keynote will be covered live at various sites it will be available at apple.com as a video. That is going to be the single best hour or so of information on Macs and what is coming that you can find. Strongly recommended.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 33):
On the MacBook Pro's the rumor is a significantly improved display - the "Retina" version.

Indeed, and it's a whopper:
• 15"
• 2880 * 1800 pixels (again proper 16:10, not letterboxed 16:9!)
• glossy but with a new anti-glare coating
• quite a bit thinner and lighter than the "classic" MBP (which remains available as 13" and 15" with updated specs; the 17" is gone)
• i7 quad core CPU
• Nvidia Kepler graphics processor with 1GB video RAM
• USB3 (just like all other updated MacBook Air / Pro)
• 2 * Thunderbolt + HDMI
• SDXC card slot
• up to 768GB SSD
• battery life: up to 7 hours
• legacy ditched: harddisk, optical drive, Ethernet (now via TB adapter), FireWire (now via TB adapter)
• starts at $2199
• available immediately

Full specs not available yet on the Apple site.

Various applications including Photoshop, AutoCAD, Final Cut Pro X, Aperture, Safari and iPhoto being updated to exploit it.

Tasty!   

[Edited 2012-06-11 11:02:25]
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
starts at $2199

So in Europe that's gonna be at least 2199 euros... too expensive for me sorry. I'm going with one of the new MacBook Airs instead.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 35):
I'm going with one of the new MacBook Airs instead.

You'll love it.

My wife has one and I get envious. Unfortunately I'm needing a new iMac more than a new notebook.

Unfortunately my new iMac wasn't announced today. Maybe next week.  
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
You'll love it.

My wife has one and I get envious. Unfortunately I'm needing a new iMac more than a new notebook.

Unfortunately my new iMac wasn't announced today. Maybe next week.

I already have a MacBook Pro but the Air will be nice, much faster with the SSD drive and more portable. The new iMacs were supposed to get announced today as inventory numbers got leaked last week? Hmm.
 
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Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:19 pm

The new 15' MBP will be fantastic--quite expensive, though, so I'll be going for the (upgraded and faster) old-body-with-new-guts 13' MBP.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:20 pm

The new one is a beast. Too expensive for me, but what a machine.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:29 pm

The official product pages are online:
http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features/

The Retina Display is an IPS panel, by the way, just like the iPhone and iPad already. Almost all other notebook computers have cheaper TN displays, except for a few high-end PC notebooks so far.

It will be interesting whether they've also increased the colour gamut as on the iPad 3.

For comparison: A regular "full HD" display has 2 megapixels, the new Retina MBP now has 5 megapixels (the iPad 3 has 3 megapixels). Not just, but especially for photographers this can make quite a difference.

I'm also quite relieved to see that they are sticking to the 16:10 aspect ratio. Only the smallest MacBook Air has a 16:9 display. All other MacBooks have 16:10, including the new one.

In contrast to practically all PC notebooks, which use the cheaper TV ratio.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:29 pm

17" MacBook Pro is gone   and you can't set the retina display to a native resolution of 2880x1800, just a retina resolution which means you are still stuck with an effective screen real estate of 1440x900. You can "scale" to 1920x1200 but there's a loss of clarity doing that. Bah, humbug.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:51 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 41):
17" MacBook Pro is gone

Its main attraction had been its higher display resolution. I've got an older 17" here, but I might rather go for the new 15" now even if a 17" was availabe.

Quoting moo (Reply 41):
and you can't set the retina display to a native resolution of 2880x1800, just a retina resolution which means you are still stuck with an effective screen real estate of 1440x900. You can "scale" to 1920x1200 but there's a loss of clarity doing that.

There is no point in setting a lower resolution, except possibly for older games which explicitly require it in fullscreen mode.

And the "effective screen real estate" is 15" with indeed 2880 * 1800 pixels available, not 1440 * 900. Most content should fully exploit the full resolution out of the box.

Quoting moo (Reply 41):
Bah, humbug.

Suit yourself!

I don't have an urgent need for a new machine right now, but if I had, the new machine would pretty much exactly nail it for me.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:01 pm

Quoting Hywel (Reply 37):
The new iMacs were supposed to get announced today as inventory numbers got leaked last week? Hmm.

I was hoping for the release, but the Mac Pro desktop had a silent release so maybe the iMac will be the same.

I think the biggest factor for the iMac delay was the need for Apple's engineers working on product ramp ups have been busy with the notebooks, especially the SSD versions.

The supply of SSD may also have impacted iMac delivery schedules. Apple is sucking up SSD faster than anyone else.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:20 am

Will Macbook Air get a revamp in the next few weeks?
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting blink182 (Reply 44):
Will Macbook Air get a revamp in the next few weeks?

It already got its update today, together with all the other MacBooks:
• new, faster Ivy Bridge CPUs
• more, faster RAM
• bigger, much faster SSDs
• much faster graphics
• USB3
• unchanged/cheaper prices
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:59 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 43):
I was hoping for the release, but the Mac Pro desktop had a silent release so maybe the iMac will be the same.

Speaking about that, interesting to see Apple giving the finger to the video production crowd like that. Probably a small group of Apple customers, but they have been loyal for a long time.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:37 am

Just got my '13 MBP... Surprisingly, they had it in-store. Blazing fast and good graphics.
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:01 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
Its main attraction had been its higher display resolution. I've got an older 17" here, but I might rather go for the new 15" now even if a 17" was availabe.

The resolution was precisely why I bought the 17" version  
Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
And the "effective screen real estate" is 15" with indeed 2880 * 1800 pixels available, not 1440 * 900. Most content should fully exploit the full resolution out of the box.

Full screen content, such as games or video, will have 2880x900 available to it.

OS UI based apps will not - they will have an effective resolution of 1440x900, as HiDPI graphics are double resolution, and non-HiDPI graphics will be pixel doubled, so a UI element which used to take up 25x25 pixels on a 1440x900 screen will take up 50x50 pixels on a retina screen.

So ordinary usage at the desktop still limits you to an effective resolution of 1440x900 - retina adds no extra screen real estate in this mode, just extra sharpness etc.

Unfortunately, that isn't what benefits me  

This is exactly what they did with the iPhone 4/4s and iPad 3 - doubled the pixel density but didnt increase the effective screen real estate.

Having asked around some of my former colleagues, you also cant use the native resolution of the screen without also using HiDPI as the display system  
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro

Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:54 am

Quoting moo (Reply 48):
Full screen content, such as games or video, will have 2880x900 available to it.

OS UI based apps will not - they will have an effective resolution of 1440x900, as HiDPI graphics are double resolution, and non-HiDPI graphics will be pixel doubled, so a UI element which used to take up 25x25 pixels on a 1440x900 screen will take up 50x50 pixels on a retina screen.

So ordinary usage at the desktop still limits you to an effective resolution of 1440x900 - retina adds no extra screen real estate in this mode, just extra sharpness etc.

No, you've just fallen for the confusion that is rampant about this issue.

The physical "screen real estate" of course remains 15" across. No change there.

But the 2880*1800 is of course fully addressable.

Quoting moo (Reply 48):
This is exactly what they did with the iPhone 4/4s and iPad 3 - doubled the pixel density but didnt increase the effective screen real estate

Also wrong.

Coordinates in OS X are not physical pixels but logical points, which may or may not correspond directly to physical pixels. On a Retina Display one logical point spans two physical pixels, which can still be addressed normally, since point coordinates are not integer but floating point, so while retaining geometrical object sizes based on the same integer sizes, HiDPI coordinates can simply use 0.5 coordinate steps to address every single pixel.

This is no real rocket science. And it works very well on the iOS Retina devices already.

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