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Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:22 pm

I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock. But this goes to show how much he is in trouble. At first, when I heard about this, I thought it was a joke. But no, Obama, on his website, is asking you to donate to his campaign not just giving by giving money yourself, but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

Seriously, how pathetic is that? Wedding gifts are traditionally supposed to help new couples out by giving them things they can't afford at the moment to get their new life going. And Obama asks you not to do that, but give him the money.

I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

How anyone can defend this utter embarrassing begging for money is beyond me. I've never heard of this before and if someone did it in the past, well then they are on the same level. I don't care who they are.

Oh, the link:

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entr...twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.


Obama Campaign: Tell Your Wedding Guests to Send Us Money

Got a birthday, anniversary, or wedding coming up?
Let your friends know how important this election is to you—register with Obama 2012, and ask for a donation in lieu of a gift. It’s a great way to support the President on your big day.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm.../2012/06/22/Obama-wedding-registry

Can it get anymore desperate than this?

His campaign managers and close entourage must be nuts to accept to promote this kind of idea!!!!

  

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:39 pm

Oh I can see the comedians and Republicans bashing this big time.

We have so badly twisted the 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech, most recently with the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision, that the greedy need for money is well exceeding good taste and reason. Obama isn't getting any money from 'Wall Street' despite how much he continued to save their sorry asses continuing policies started by President Bush and not going after the criminals who got us in part into our sick economy.

I hope 1000's e-mail get sent to the campaign to say that this idea is just plain wrong, stupid and smells like desperation of the worst kind.
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Seriously, how pathetic is that?

It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.

I don't know how common it is for one of those causes/campaigns to offer online registration of your event for that purpose, but seeing how money-centred both political campaigns and personal events have become (e.g. online bridal registries) I don't see an issue with this - it's in less bad taste than e.g. attack ads.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
how desperate he is for money

His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:00 pm

I'm speechless.
Just when you thought his narcissistic behavior couldn't get any worse.
What's next? A chance to win an ipod with speeches to remind us how great he is?
Or is that a special gift that only the Queen of England deserves?


Worth noting, Obama's campaign is now spending more money than it's taking in.
After all of his mudslinging against Romney and blaming everyone for all of the nation's problems, I have yet to hear him give us any reason to re-elect him. I have yet to hear of him boast of any accomplishments that his administration has achieved.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rom...1/id/443033?s=al&promo_code=F435-1
From the article;
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney surged ahead of President Barack Obama in fundraising for the first time last month — and a senior Obama adviser concedes that Obama will be the first incumbent president to be out-raised by his opponent.


Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision

...and their infamous Hindenburg moment "Democracy died tonight!" It's done!
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:36 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Worth noting, Obama's campaign is now spending more money than it's taking in.

LOL, with the budget deficits he seems to love, why should anyone be surprised.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.

Excuse me, but who's fault is that? Obama in 2008 outspent the McCain by more than 2 to 1, breaking every campaign spending record in history. Can you blame the GOP for rising to the challenge?

And don't feel so sorry about Obama's fundraising. Hollywood alone could provide all the funding he needs. There are a number of Leftist Hollywood types worth as much or more than the Kochs or Adelson, not to mention Soros.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
But no, Obama, on his website, is asking you to donate to his campaign not just giving by giving money yourself, but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

No. Read it again. It's for you - if you would rather people donate to the campaign than give you a gift, you can ask them to, and they can. In no way are they asking you to give money to them instead of gifts to someone else.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.

   Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:42 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.

Casts the Obama campaign in an elitist tint doesn't it??

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.

That'll be the the day when us 99%ers can host $40K aplate fundraisers.... 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

1 and 2 apply for all politicians especially in this race.

3) Is anyone surprised he is desperate for money, the Koch brothers alone might put in $400 million to try and defeat him. Money tends to win elections and Obama won in 2008 largely because he raised more money.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.

So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.


Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end.

What, asking people for money is low end? Better tell the Romney campaign that as well, then.

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:42 pm

Typical Obama: earning money is demonic. Taking money is angelic. Government must destroy the good situations so we can be more equal, the hard workers and the lazy.

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Excuse me, but who's fault is that?

that of the voters, more precisely those swing voters that are swayed by expensive campaign items rather than issues

All the personal appearances, all the TV ads and all the phone calls that are supposed to sway people this or that way have to be paid for. To get noticed between the myriad of other (i.e. commercial) campaigns, a political candidate has to invest loads of money just like McDonald's, Pepsico and Citibank do. For a change to that, you could e.g. allot to each party a given and equal amount of airtime and/or ad space that has to be provided to them for free, barring them from purchasing any more... but I suppose that would be socialism, right?  

Anyway, if swing voters took or perhaps even had the time to ponder the promises of each candidate, those expensive campaigns would soon lose much of their meaning. And if you had fewer Olbermanns and Limbaughs, well... I can dream, can't I?

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 7):
Casts the Obama campaign in an elitist tint doesn't it??

I don't think anyone could hope to become a senator, let alone run for reelection as President of the US, without being part of some sort of elite. It can be the financial elite (e.g. Romney), educational elite (e.g. Obama) or, as it were, an established elite (e.g. the Kennedy and Bush families). Essentially, you have to be part of some sort of network if you want to have a chance at a high political office.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay?

That was then, this is now. Obama isn't going up against McCain and his supporters, he's challenged by Romney and his. And as I have just said, the ludicrous expenses for campaigns have never been a good thing.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.

   exactly

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
What, asking people for money is low end? Better tell the Romney campaign that as well, then.

as well as most other political campaigners   
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Oh I can see the comedians and Republicans bashing this big time.

No you won't, Comedy Central is in the bag for that hack. They had pure comedic gold in the Elizabeth Warren situation and nobody even touched it.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
We have so badly twisted the 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech, most recently with the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision

Oh boy, here we go again... liberals having problems with the law treating media and non-media companies the same way. What is the value of the free print-space and air-time that Democrats get every single day?
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 14):
What is the value of the free print-space and air-time that Democrats get every single day?

What is the value of Fox News' commitment to the Republicans?
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:16 pm

Well, as long as money in elections is not controlled, this will continue.

Here a presidential campaign must not cost more than 22 millions € per candidate or it's canceled. Somehow the candidates still manage to get their point across, make numerous meetings, travel across the country on a daily basis, in fact by election time people are quite tired of the show. I'm sure the same could be done in the US with, let's say, 200 millions $ per candidate.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
After all of his mudslinging against Romney and blaming everyone for all of the nation's problems, I have yet to hear him give us any reason to re-elect him. I have yet to hear of him boast of any accomplishments that his administration has achieved.

Looks like "Unemployment is Not Working"  Wow!

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:36 pm

unbelievable...

All these people think Obama is evil for asking his own citizens for campaign contributions are the exact same people who are fine with multi-national corporations giving billions of dollars to decide the outcome of our elections.

un-freakin-believable....
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

I know a few Obama haters (and I know the main reason why they hate him) so it might be fun to send a few dollars in their names.   

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

Actually it shows people on his fund rasing team thinking of everything they can - just like Willard's team. No big deal.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners.

Think I recently read that Sheldon had given $10 Million and was prepared to go to $100 Million. I wonder what $100 Million buys you at the White House.  

At the other end of the spectrum, WIllard is having big money fly into Utah on their private jets for afternoon tea. There might be some political discussions and some money pledged, but (of course) there will be great care to keep the campaign independent of the SuperPACs. Which is probably why Carl Rove is there.   
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 15):
What is the value of Fox News' commitment to the Republicans?

On aggregate, a lot less than the combined commitment of most of the media to the Democratic party.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
On aggregate, a lot less than the combined commitment of most of the media to the Democratic party.

I would be interested in your detailed analysis which backs this statement up.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Wedding gifts are traditionally supposed to help new couples out by giving them things they can't afford at the moment to get their new life going

Yeah, think about those poor, poor people who Obama is stealing money from.  

'Traditionally' is the key word. Many people nowadays (including myself) have lived by themselves and marry someone who has also lived by themselves, therefore having most things they need (and even duplicates of those things). Charitable donations aren't out of the ordinary, and a donation to a political fund isn't unthinkable.

If I was to tell you that a republican had previously done this then I don't think you'd be so vocal about it.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
I would be interested in your detailed analysis which backs this statement up.

I know you liberals feel threatened by the success of Fox News (or as you like to call it, "the one who got away"), but let me sure I get this straight: are you actually suggesting that whatever free airtime Republicans get on Fox News is more valuable than the free airtime Democrats get on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/Comedy Central/etc. and the free print-space they get on the NYT/Washington Post/Los Angeles Times/etc.? I know the ratings of MSNBC are woeful, but still...
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock.

Actually I don't; if Romney picks Rubio for Veep i'd say Barack Hussein Obama is in the soup.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

Seriously, how pathetic is that?

Pretty pathetic. Obama really doesn't understand why people buy stuff in the first place. Explains why the economy is STILL down.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
(1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

1) Add "always talking out of his ass" to that.
2) Again, my very point. The economy sucks because people don't have the confidence to spend anymore. People are (STILL!) buying cars at a rate of once every 15 years according to a study (google it). People are worried about the future, ESPECIALLY with our debt.
3) they spent more last month than they made.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.

They've raised more than that! hypocrites   

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):

   Spot-on. Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left, they get all of the shit for it.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
are you actually suggesting that whatever free airtime Republicans get on Fox News is more valuable than the free airtime Democrats get on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/Comedy Central/etc. and the free print-space they get on the NYT/Washington Post/Los Angeles Times/etc.?

How many times do we hear that Fox kills all the other networks in terms of viewers and advertising revenue, and how print media is a dead medium? If we're going to use that as a standard for determining value (and it's certainly a viable standard, though there are others), then perhaps.

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock.

I thought that was the case at one point. Now i don't know. Money talks, this time GOP has the bullhorn (thanks to the fact that "corporations are people'")

The thing is that i would be OK with Romney presidency from a puerilely economical standpoint. Unfortunately he panders to religious groups that directly threaten my way of life, and that is something that makes me forcefully rebut his bid for the presidency.

I tend to agree with Obamas economic leanings, however i do not think that Romney economic policies would necessarily be bad for the country.

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
How anyone can defend this utter embarrassing begging for money is beyond me. I've never heard of this before and if someone did it in the past, well then they are on the same level. I don't care who they are.

You really don't follow politics do you?

They leave no stone unturned. And to be honest with Mitt's downright "traditional" values, I would imagine quite a few couples that have gotten married, including Cheney's daughter, might find this to be a worthwhile gift in order to prevernt the kind of Social Engineering the GOP has planned out.

But go ahead an believe it is a horrible thing, at the end of the day, the 2500 dollar gift max is still a gift no one gets back from politicians, unless promises are made.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:00 pm

How about all of those wealthy movie stars such as Ashton Kutcher that took a "pledge" to support Obama?

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:37 pm

Jesus...despite my support of Obama this is one of the most lame-brained embarrassing things I've ever seen on a campaign website. Just pathetic.

I'm voting for Obama because I support ACA, gay marriage, and his position on student loans. Aside from that? He's embarrassing.
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
I know you liberals feel threatened

In other words: you've got nothing... I suppose you even count the airtime that Democrats get in their functions as government officials as "Democratic" airtime.

Oh, by the way, I don't feel threatened - and most definitely not by Fox News.   

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left, they get all of the shit for it.

Cumulus Media would like a word with you.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 29):
Jesus...despite my support of Obama this is one of the most lame-brained embarrassing things I've ever seen on a campaign website.

Why? Because the campaign is saying "hey, if you know people are going to give you stuff you don't want or need, why not offer them the opportunity to make a donation on your behalf instead?" Because they're doing something that other organizations do every day and nobody has a problem with it?

It is absolutely mind-blowing that this is even an issue.

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
No. Read it again. It's for you - if you would rather people donate to the campaign than give you a gift, you can ask them to, and they can. In no way are they asking you to give money to them instead of gifts to someone else.

yea.. I went back and reread what I wrote. Poor way of expaining it. Will do better in the future. But still, he IS asking the person who is supposed to be getting the gift to give it to him. That's why I wrote the title like I did.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 22):
If I was to tell you that a republican had previously done this then I don't think you'd be so vocal about it.

Problem is, you can't. So let's not go into fantasy land about what I would or wouldn't do.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 27):
You really don't follow politics do you?

Yea. You're right. I just really spend my time following the fate of Lindsey Lohan and the Kardashians. Funny how I found to the time to post such a poltically filled subject when all I do is watch American Idol.

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
It is absolutely mind-blowing that this is even an issue.

It's an issue because it's a joke. Think about it. If I, as the person giving the gift really believes that Obama is the one I'm going to donate to him, AND because I'm a good person, I'm STILL going to give a gift to the person intended to do. I'm not for one second going to go cheap on my friend and use his/her present to make my donation. Sorry. Let's put it another way..

"Hi, I'm Barack Obama. And while I know the economy isn't back, and I know jobs are still suffering, and I know the housing market it still in the tank, why don't you instead of getting the stuff you need for your life or a little cash for your honeymoon, you ask someone to give it to me, so I can still continue to play golf every week, my wife can kids still can vacation every other month, and I still can host parties at the White House every week at the tax payers expense. You don't need that honeymoon or pots and pans or even an emergency fund for those rough first years. No, give it to me so Michelle and I can continue to live our life as if we are Royalty."

THAT'S exactly what he is saying. Sorry. But, again, PATHETIC. What a freakin loser. I can't wait until Nov 6th when this country finally has a leader that looks out for us, and not himself.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:54 pm

Yeah it's especially awful the part where he mandates that all Americans donate to his campaign!!!

Oh wait...that's not what it says?! Which leads me to my view on this issue: Why are you guys so upset? Politicians ask for money all the time. Just because his campaign managers/marketing team (let's have a moment of clarity here, it obviously wasn't Obama's direct orders to suggest this) decided to try and ask (beg?) in a more creative manner, it shouldn't result in an uproar.

Personally, I laughed when I saw it, because there is no way in hell I would ever ask my guests to donate to a politician of any party. Those donations are better spent on the SPCA/Heart & Stroke Foundation/Make-A-Wish Foundation/[insert charity here].

As I've seen in most U.S. political threads here, A-netters are increasingly ragging on Obama for more pointless crap. There are better reasons to hate a politician, for example: the economy is too slow to recover, unemployment is too high, they are introducing bills that don't benefit enough citizens, etc. To me it's more pathetic that people actually care how he asks (begs) for donations...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left

Come on Zach...Fox is as sensationally right as MSNBC is sensationally left. "Leaning" is far too generous a term.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:58 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 32):
But still, he IS asking the person who is supposed to be getting the gift to give it to him.

You don't support them having that option? Whatever happened to personal economic freedom?

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:02 am

He obviously needs the money badly. 100 times playing golf and not one but two airplanes to Martha's Vineyard. 4 million dollars for his Hawaii vacation. He is obviously suffering.

We must support that lifestyle and his campaign, as he has done so much for us.

He has worked hard to give us fewer jobs, lower income, 5 trillion dollars more debt and millions more of us on food stamps. While he rails against the "One Percenters", he goes to them privately and begs them for cash.

He has done more fundraisers than the last 4-5 presidents combined. He does as many as six in one day. Air Force One must be getting more daily hours than one of the low cost carrier's B737s. And we pay for it. No wonder he is so tired he cannot deal with the country's problems.

Now he wants young couples just trying to start a new life in a difficult economy which he has made worse to give him money. Many people can't get married because they don't have jobs. Others, who are getting married, can't afford a place of their own because they don't have enough money. And celebrate our birthdays by giving him money? A lot of people don't see too much to celebrate on their birthdays either these days.

And while he drones on about "fairness", he takes billions of our tax money, which the country does not have and gives it to his cronies, who in turn give him money for his campaign. Corruption and favoritism at its worst.

IMHO, he should have to give back to us the money that he wasted. And he should apologize to the country for his total failure.
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:31 am

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
give us fewer jobs

Even though we have gained back all the jobs lost under Bush.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
lower income

Because of the jobs lost under Bush, companies are now able to hire at lower wages.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
5 trillion dollars more debt

By putting all war spending on budget and having the lowest income levels in decades thanks to "Don't tax the job creators!"

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
Why are you guys so upset?

It's Obama. No one said one word, not one peep, when it was Romney, Paul, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich doing it.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
On aggregate, a lot less than the combined commitment of most of the media to the Democratic party.

Like the entire AM dial and most of the FM dial?
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:14 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
there is no way in hell I would ever ask my guests to donate to a politician of any party.

I wouldn't do it either, but I see nothing wrong with the campaign offering the option to people who might want to. And as you said, lots of other charities do it.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
To me it's more pathetic that people actually care how he asks (begs) for donations...

   It really does boggle the mind.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
Now he wants young couples just trying to start a new life in a difficult economy which he has made worse to give him money.

And Romney doesn't want those people to give him money? I didn't see anything on the Romney campaign website to the effect of "if you're a young newly-wed, you should probably keep your money - you need it more than we do".

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:18 am

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
Now he wants young couples just trying to start a new life in a difficult economy which he has made worse to give him money. Many people can't get married because they don't have jobs. Others, who are getting married, can't afford a place of their own because they don't have enough money. And celebrate our birthdays by giving him money? A lot of people don't see too much to celebrate on their birthdays either these days.

I won't claim that I like this idea, nor would I EVER take part in it, being pretty apolitical and not interested in possibly offending wedding guests; but really, let's call this what it is:

They're saying: "hey, if you don't need wedding gifts, and you are passionate about supporting the Obama campaign, how about asking your guests to donate in your name?"

They're NOT saying: "hey, instead of gifts that you may need, have your guests donate to Obama's campaign! After all, nothing is more important than 4 more years of a democrat in the White House!"

But don't let me get in the way of all the pointless arguing about a non-issue!
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:11 pm

I guess that this is more acceptable:


1927 Port? really.. is that the best that Willard has? Pathetic..

"At a private retreat this weekend, major Romney campaign donors quaffed 1927 Port they'd brought in for the occasion, mingled in the lobby of a posh resort called the Chateaux at Silver Lake and watched an aerial display of Olympic ski jumpers.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...ey-donors-20120624,0,2505469.story
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Excuse me, but who's fault is that? Obama in 2008 outspent the McCain by more than 2 to 1, breaking every campaign spending record in history. Can you blame the GOP for rising to the challenge?

Funny how the left squawks now that the shoe is on the other foot. Many people in this country are angry--at Obama's deliberate transformation of the economy--they're embarrassed for having voted for him earlier perhaps and the right is mobilized, enthusiastic and keyed up to bounce the chosen one from office, even if they're not excited about Romey per se. We saw what happened in WI with the left screaming about money---funny how that knife only cuts one way huh?

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.


Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.

Good roll call there. And let's NOT forget the entire union industry which has been nothing more than a fundraising mechanism for the Democratic Party.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
Typical Obama: earning money is demonic. Taking money is angelic.

That's so perfectly stated--it really is!

Quoting Aesma (Reply 16):
Well, as long as money in elections is not controlled, this will continue.

If we had a non-biased mainstream media, that might be possible....but until then, it can't and won't happen.
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:29 pm

I don't see what the media has to do with it, or do you mean that the media will be against the idea ? Because it gets them a lot of money, maybe ?

Non-biased media doesn't exist anywhere, anyway. As long as you have freedom of information, there will be medias biased in all directions, and that's the best you can get.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:31 pm

Not an Obama supporter, but so what? Here's an entire website dedicated to such people: https://www.justgive.org/registries/wedding . I also can't recall ever donating to a charity that didn't ask me if my donation was a gift or in memorial to someone. My mom sometimes specifically requests that my sister and I make a donation to a charity instead of buying something for her since she's fortunate enough to be able to buy nearly anything she wants for herself.

To be honest, I think it's a good idea.
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting slider (Reply 40):
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.


Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.

Good roll call there.

Thats the difference. That you CAN name them - now with the Super PAC you cannot do the same. As Presidential History Footnote John McCain has awknolegded that money outside the US has entered Super PACs.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s/2012/06/15/gJQAFirPfV_story.html
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:10 am

Honestly I'm not surprised. He's trying to make this election emotional like it was in 2008. Well hope and change didn't work so now he's moved onto more desperate tactics.

I didn't believe in his garbage back in 2008, I DEFINITELY won't believe in it in 2012. I didn't vote in 2008. And although Romney might not be the best answer, I just want our economy back on track. He has a more concrete plan than Obama to do so. Too many people are miserable being unemployed, and just as many people are miserable being employed with crap jobs and nowhere else to go.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:17 am

Good!..."never interrupt your adversary while he is making an ass of himself"...keep it up Obama, you and Mr. Holder, both of whom have made a mockery of the US government hopefully will not even be history...you will just be a terrible moment in Americas past. "Send me your Wedding Gift money"?...what a jerk. That is copy for a Saturday night Live episode.   
 
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 43):
money outside the US has entered Super PACs.

Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus rabidly pro-Obama that should make you happy.
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus rabidly pro-Obama that should make you happy.

Hmm .. you better inform Sen McCain then.. because he think otherwise. Do you need his email?


WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain said in an interview posted online Friday that “foreign money” was helping fellow Republican Mitt Romney’s presidential hopes and singled out one of his ally’s most generous supporters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s/2012/06/15/gJQAFirPfV_story.html

[Edited 2012-06-25 20:26:41]
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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting aa757first (Reply 42):
Not an Obama supporter, but so what? Here's an entire website dedicated to such people: https://www.justgive.org/registries/wedding .

Thank you for not being blinded by the hate and still being able to think logically. You're one of the few.   

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RE: Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic

Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:41 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus rabidly pro-Obama that should make you happy.

How do movies and sitcoms automatically turn people into Obama supporters?
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