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Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:08 pm

I will believe it when I see it.

They said this in 2007, 2008, 2009.

Dubai had a number of plans for the ship that never came about. They do like the words "18 months" don't they? That was the Cape Town plan.

Moored permanently at Port Rashid?... to be a hotel??? Must be a joke... When you think of all the fascinating hotels they have in Dubai, the Burj al Arab, Armani, Emirates Towers, Fairmont, Jumeirah Beach, Madinat Jumeirah...

who the heck will want to stay on board the ship if she is docked in that ugly corner of Dubai? Unless they take her out for rides with a crew??? It makes no sense...

Who are they going to pick to manage the hotel QE2? Fairmont? Four Seasons? Jumeirah Hotels? Tthe operation could go bankrupt in no time.

Sydney Harbour... Hong Kong... Singapore... Manhattan too... but Port Rashid??

 Wow!  


Breaking News: QE2 to open as hotel in Dubai in next 18 months.

Dubai has settled on a use for the Queen Elizabeth 2 cruise liner it bought for £64 million, with plans to make it into a floating hotel fitted with the original furnishings.

The 300-room hotel is expected to open within 18 months at the city's Port Rashid.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9792827.QE2_to_become_hotel/

  


A new Dubai home befitting the majesty of the QE2

The fate of the 1960s ocean liner, Queen Elizabeth 2, bought by the Government of Dubai five years ago, has finally been decided. She is to be transformed into a floating 300-bedroom luxury hotel, and form the centrepiece of a new cruise liner terminal to be developed at the city's Port Rashid.

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationa...ll-become-300-room-hotel-for-dubai

Transformed to what level?

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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:45 pm

For a ship as timeless as the QE2 I wondered why plans to turn her into a floating hotel have yet to materialize. One last refurbish on dry dock and she'll be good to go.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 1):
plans to turn her into a floating hotel

Turning her into a floating hotel - going out to sea - would make perfect sense. A lot of former passengers will be very happy to go cruising on the QE2 again, even short cruises, maybe around the Gulf countries, Oman, Kish Island or other nearby destinations. At least they should make plans to sail her.

Keeping her docked at Port Rashid as a 5 or even 7 Star hotel would make no sense - unless they add some really posh side kicks.

Considering the high number of extraordinary hotels that already exist in Dubai I don't see what sort of clients would want to spend time on board a docked ship in a cruise terminal - be it the QE2.

They will have to do a lot of refurbishing work not so much outside but rather inside to turn the statesroom to a level comparable to a 5/7 star hotel and allow the clients to use some of Dubai's resorts at no extra charge as a "bonus".

I really don't see how this is going to work if the new owners want to have a QE2 hotel permanently docked at the pier of a Dubai (new) cruise terminal.

   
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:14 pm

I don't see the problem with Port Rashid, it's close to the old town, walking distance to the gold Souq, connected to the subway and while the area could be developed a bit more, there was a nice area with lounge bars and restaurants closeby. Actually the Burj Al Arab is more in the middle of nowhere.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Turning her into a floating hotel - going out to sea - would make perfect sense. A lot of former passengers will be very happy to go cruising on the QE2 again, even short cruises, maybe around the Gulf countries, Oman, Kish Island or other nearby destinations. At least they should make plans to sail her.

I would not be surprised if a condition of the sale was that she can not be sailed anymore. Also as far as her past clients, the sad truth is they are dying off and younger cruisers want cruise ships with all the bells and whistles that the QE2 does not have or offer.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 3):
it's close to the old town, walking distance to the gold Souq

I know the area rather well. All depends what you mean by close. Still makes a long walk in the Dubai heat. Also for a luxury hotel I don't know what views the clients will have from their refurbished luxury statesrooms. Maybe a view on Carrefour or the highway across?

All depends if the ship stays where she is now or if they will move to a different location in the harbour. I hope they will move her. Where she is now is far from glamorous.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:49 pm

Port Rashid is close to the town, but its a rubble. And it needs a cruise terminal fitting to the glamourous city very urgently. When I was there with QM2 we had to board through a huge tent!!! Imagine that in front of that skyline.

I understand that it might sound a bit adventurous to think that a QE2 hotel might have a chance against all those 5 star + palcea all around, but 300 rooms sounds moderate. Much will depend on how they develop the surroundings. If it looks even half as bad as I have seen it just 9 weeks ago, then Port Rashid is a place no one wants to stay.

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 4):
I would not be surprised if a condition of the sale was that she can not be sailed anymore.

Thats indeed a main part of the sales contract.
 
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:09 pm

2010, I visit Dubai, and I looked for the QE2, but I could not find her. I think , that the ideal of a floating hotel in Dubai, would be great ideal.
 
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting na (Reply 6):
And it needs a cruise terminal fitting to the glamourous city very urgently.

Dubai are rather secretive about their plans. I don't know if they will expand the cruise terminal that exists now or if they will build something totally new - and when. The cruise terminal they have now does not have much capacity so if you add the QE2 hotel then it means there will be a lack of space for new incoming cruise ships.

http://gulfnews.com/business/tourism...e-terminal-to-be-expanded-1.919424

Singapore has come up with a new cruise terminal in the Marina Bay area - some interesting architecture there - and it looks BIG.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ngapore/Story/STIStory_801608.html

Hong Kong is also building a brand new big cruise center where the old Kai Tak airport used to be.
http://www.discoverhongkong.com/cruise/eng/terminals_Kai_Tak.jsp

Quoting na (Reply 6):
Much will depend on how they develop the surroundings.

Port Rashid is a hell hole. I hope this is not the kind of view they will want to offer to their clients.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/forums2/b517d3b5.jpg

Quoting na (Reply 6):
If it looks even half as bad as I have seen it just 9 weeks ago, then Port Rashid is a place no one wants to stay.

I sure would not want to stay in that place either especially with Dubai having so many wonderful hotels.

Quoting na (Reply 6):
Thats indeed a main part of the sales contract.

That's true. I had forgotten that.

 
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:42 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Turning her into a floating hotel - going out to sea - would make perfect sense.

Think about what you are writing, there are already hundreds of floating hotels that go out to see, they are called cruise ships. It simply would not make any economic sense to have a 300 room cruise ship the size of the QE2, plus with only 300 rooms they are going to be 300 massively expensive rooms.
 
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:18 am

The new owners were already talking about a hotel project with 200 rooms and a number of apartments.

This article dates back from 2009

QE2 hotel project appears to be on hold in Dubai

LOOKING forlorn, forgotten and unloved, Southampton’s former queen of the Atlantic swelters under the glare of the fierce, unremitting Dubai sun as temperatures climb to 109F.
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Plans for QE2 include the creation of 200 hotel rooms as well as the development of 130 apartments.

http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/...pears_to_be_on_hold_in_Dubai/#show

QE2 cannot return to sea because the ship no longer has the safety of navigation certificates (SOLAS) required by Law.

To move her they must have 8 of the 9 engines in certificate because Lloyds require her to be capable of operating with one engine room out of action. So right now they can't move her except by tow anyway.

Also, as of the 1st July 2010 she was automatically banned from most waters, including Europe and the USA, because her sewage system does not meet the new standards which came into force on that date. This is a far bigger problem than SOLAS.

    
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
QE2 cannot return to sea because the ship no longer has the safety of navigation certificates (SOLAS) required by Law.

To move her they must have 8 of the 9 engines in certificate because Lloyds require her to be capable of operating with one engine room out of action. So right now they can't move her except by tow anyway.

Also a condition of the sale is that she can not sail as a cruise line or offer cruises per say. So not an issue if her engines work or not.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:34 pm

IMO the best outcome for all concerned is driving her up a beach in Bangladesh, people should remember her as she was rather than the mess she will become as a floating hotel.
 
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:03 pm

I have to agree kiwirob, it is like seeing a good looking actor/actress later in life and the now look like hell.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:59 am

Hi!

Maybe they could turn it into a mix of things, like just like a cool place to hang out. A few shops, a few restaurants, maybe a few rooms to sleep, pool on top to swim, cafes, a public library and of course lots of history on the QE2 and it's life. They could call it "The QE2 experience" or something (but in arabic!). Maybe some of the shops could sell stuff inspired by the countries she visited and routes she took and some of the restuarants could serve authentic menus you would have got on the ship in different eras of her life. There must be tons of video footage from passengers which maybe they could get hold of and show on screens what the destinations were like or maybe they could even recreate them somehow a little in the ship. A NY part, a Brazil part, an Australia part etc.

One of the best things I've been on regarding cruise ships was in St.Nazaire in France where they have turned part of a Nazi submarine base into a recreation of the passenger liner Normandie. When you walk in you start in the cargo hold and then experience walking through is just like wondering around the ship for real. It is awesome and you feel like you are really back in that time. There's even a promenade deck with stars and wind and sea and deckchairs all created just like the real thing. And the dining room too where you can have something to eat and drink with all the same decor and chairs and I think even cutlery and stuff.

Many thanks,

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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 9):
Think about what you are writing, there are already hundreds of floating hotels that go out to see, they are called cruise ships. It simply would not make any economic sense to have a 300 room cruise ship the size of the QE2, plus with only 300 rooms they are going to be 300 massively expensive rooms.

   The costs of maintaining QE2 must be astronomical, so I fail to see how as a floating hotel it will do any better (financially) than break even.

I think the best chance the QE2 has financially would be to get the required upgrades/modifications to meet SOLAS standards and to be converted into a casino ship operating from Hong Kong/Macau/Singapore. I don't really see any other use whose profit margins would make it worth keeping her.
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RE: Former Cunard Liner QE2 To Become A Hotel

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 14):
Maybe they could turn it into a mix of things, like just like a cool place to hang out. A few shops, a few restaurants, maybe a few rooms to sleep, pool on top to swim, cafes, a public library and of course lots of history on the QE2 and it's life. They could call it "The QE2 experience" or something (but in arabic!). Maybe some of the shops could sell stuff inspired by the countries she visited and routes she took and some of the restuarants could serve authentic menus you would have got on the ship in different eras of her life. There must be tons of video footage from passengers which maybe they could get hold of and show on screens what the destinations were like or maybe they could even recreate them somehow a little in the ship. A NY part, a Brazil part, an Australia part etc.





I love this ideal, and I would love for them to kept some of her diesel running, but they also have to look at the cost for such an ideal.

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